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(Washington Free Beacon)   With all of this talk about Syria's chemical weapons, let's not forget they also have a massive stockpile of biological weapons as well   (freebeacon.com) divider line 40
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2013-09-14 06:31:46 AM  
I thought Putin was handling this.
 
2013-09-14 07:11:00 AM  
Do they also have "Made in America" labels?
 
2013-09-14 09:05:26 AM  
Hundreds of old women in Hijabs with Herpes can be avoided subby.
 
2013-09-14 09:16:28 AM  
Syria is a signatory of the Biological Weapons Convention. What that means I have no idea.
 
2013-09-14 09:25:57 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: The deal this week (it will no doubt change next week) is for Assad to host International weapons inspectors as guests, Saddam style, over the course of a year.  During this year, he is not to mislead them, hide anything, delay them in any way and be honest about the location of all WMD.  His troops will protect these teams, guide them and help them load the WMD onto the trucks over the course of this one year time span.

If he doesn't, then something or other might happen... sometime.  But only after some more speeches.


/but the only 'boots' on the ground will be Syrian boots, with Assad in command


Exactly and this is the best outcome. Syria had to get Russia to vouch for them. Syria is in no position to stab Russia in the back. If they do, bombs away.
 
2013-09-14 09:36:36 AM  
Let's hear what an expert has to say,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLgYu01tk60">https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=vLgYu01tk60
 
2013-09-14 09:41:19 AM  
Meh.  We can just make some threats about blah blah red line blah blah once they actually use those bio weapons.

Isn't that how we roll?
 
2013-09-14 09:49:17 AM  

shanrick: Let's hear what an expert has to say,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLgYu01tk60">https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=vLgYu01tk60


I love that the video has to be labeled "parody" because there are people out there stupid enough to believe it
 
2013-09-14 10:05:24 AM  
so? biological basically = nuclear in that region, no way they'd be able to contain it, practically victory through suicide

i doubt they'd ever use it unless they thought they were all going to die anyways
 
2013-09-14 10:11:10 AM  
My crystal ball says that Syria and Putin are going to play games and drag their feet until the 2nd or 3rd day of cruise missile strikes. Then they'll agree it's important to hand over all chemical weapons, and that it'd be a good idea to hand over the biological weapons, too.
 
2013-09-14 10:11:49 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: During this year, he is not to mislead them, hide anything, delay them in any way and be honest about the location of all WMD.


He is also completely prohibited from USING those weapons again during that time, (if he ordered them used the last time, or was merely negligent and that negligence allowed those weapons to be used without his explicit permission, it really makes no difference.)  We accomplish our main goal on day one, Assad is prevented from using his weapons again, under threat of the retaliation that led to this agreement in the beginning.  It's a massive win for Obama.
 
2013-09-14 10:50:16 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: RyogaM: It's a massive win for Obama.


First of all, it hasn't happened yet - in fact, nothing's happened.  The community organizer hasn't won anything.  The story of a 'smart' victory changes every day.

Supposedly, there's a new Red Line for Assad to catalogue and present the locations, types and volumes of his WMD within a week.  What if he doesn't?  John Kerry (who served in Vietnam) isn't talking about airstrikes anymore.  Now, he says, refusal to comply will force the U.S. to plead its case to the U.N. again, which Russia will veto.

Then, assuming Assad provides some sort of 'list' in week, how can anybody know if it's real?  Like, how would you know?  What if he just says, 'Hey, turns out we really don't have enough of the stuff to worry about'.  Then what do you do?  Or what if he just says, 'A week isn't enough time.  This will take months'.

He's already dictating conditions for this looming fiasco.


And if this keystone cop routine actually produces any results, the next Red Line (behind that one) is for Assad to lead International inspectors around by the nose for a year or else... we'll go back to the UN again.  Frightening!

So the end result is:

1)  Obama's Red Line was crossed with no consequences.

2)  'The children' (i.e. the focus of Obama's odd little rant) were gassed with no reprisal and 'the children' will continue to die.  Guess they're suddenly not the priority on Saturday that they were on Tuesday.

3)  There is no longer any military threat against Assad.

4)  Fresh 'Red Lines' have been drawn.  And this time, we mean it! (LOL)


And this is a 'massive win' for Obama?  What does he have to do in order to LOSE?  Like, 'lose face' or something?  Good GOD...


Did you borrow Obama's magical time machine and just come back from the future? No, then your absolute assurences of the outcome is duly noted and ignored on the basis of you having a prefect score of being on wrong on very issue.

How many Amercan troops have died fighting Assad in Syria? How many billions of dollars has the US military spent fighting a Syrian land war?
 
2013-09-14 10:58:46 AM  
Neighborhood Watch:

Then, assuming Assad provides some sort of 'list' in week, how can anybody know if it's real?  Like, how would you know?

A unique feature of the CWC is its incorporation of the 'challenge inspection', whereby any State Party in doubt about another State Party's compliance can request the Director-General to send an inspection team. Under the CWC's 'challenge inspection' procedure, States Parties have committed themselves to the principle of 'any time, anywhere' inspections with no right of refusal.

These challenges can be based on any states existing intelligence.  Do you think we don't already have a catalog of suspected capabilities and volumes that Syria has base on US and other intelligence?  If his list doesn't match, it can be challenged.

You really don't seem to understand the details of this type of action.  Maybe you should spend some time reading up on it.

http://www.opcw.org/chemical-weapons-convention/
 
2013-09-14 11:05:40 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: And this is a 'massive win' for Obama?


Calm down, Nancy.  No reprisals?  No consequences? Ha! Getting spanked by the U.S. and Russia in the international community and being told that "Hey, even tho' you continue to deny using the WMDs you have, we're still going to take them from you" is a major reprisal.  Better than possibly blowing up innocent civilians or putting U.S. soldiers on the ground.  And you think Assad believes we're still not threatening military action?  Right.  Pull the other one.  Like that decision can't be reversed with one 5 second phone call.  And, it's a win, as I said, because Assad is not going to be using chemical weapons again at any time in the near future, if he used them the last time, which, as I said, I still haven't seen proof.  We've cut his balls off, with Russia's help.  That's a major win.  And all he Obama had to do was to threaten to use force, not even use force.  That's awesome.  Only partisan hacks can fail to see that.
 
2013-09-14 11:13:22 AM  
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2013-09-14 11:14:11 AM  
Republicans don't care whether innocent Syrians are being gassed to death.

Republicans don't care whether we are entangled in another military quagmire in the Middle East.

They ONLY care about making Obama look bad.
 
2013-09-14 11:17:43 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: notto: A unique feature of the CWC is its incorporation of the 'challenge inspection', whereby any State Party in doubt about another State Party's compliance can request the Director-General to send an inspection team. Under the CWC's 'challenge inspection' procedure, States Parties have committed themselves to the principle of 'any time, anywhere' inspections with no right of refusal.


Yeah, great.

Who (and what army) is going to walk into a combat zone and do this 'challenge inspection'?


/no right of refusal.  Hilarious...


Goalpost move noted.
 
2013-09-14 11:25:40 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: RyogaM: And, it's a win (for Obama), as I said, because Assad is not going to be using chemical weapons again at any time in the near future, if he used them the last time, which, as I said, I still haven't seen proof.


I just have to throw my hands in the air at this point.


http://video.foxnews.com/v/2667532427001/no-direct-proof-that-assad- or dered-chemical-weapons-attack/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/11/us-cant-prove-bashar -a ssad-approved-chemical-attac/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

Just google "proof assad ordered attack with chemical weapons "  and educate yourself
 
2013-09-14 11:27:02 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: notto: A unique feature of the CWC is its incorporation of the 'challenge inspection', whereby any State Party in doubt about another State Party's compliance can request the Director-General to send an inspection team. Under the CWC's 'challenge inspection' procedure, States Parties have committed themselves to the principle of 'any time, anywhere' inspections with no right of refusal.


Yeah, great.

Who (and what army) is going to walk into a combat zone and do this 'challenge inspection'?


/no right of refusal.  Hilarious...


You mean the weapons inspectors who are sometimes shot at while doing their jobs? It's amazing they can find BDUs that fit.
 
2013-09-14 11:33:17 AM  
 
2013-09-14 11:46:16 AM  

RyogaM: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/09/201515/intercepts-caught-assad- r ejecting.html#.UjSApX8f9uQ

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/8/german-intelligenceas sa ddidntapprovechemicalweaponattacks.html


All those say are in line with what Assad has been saying: "I didn't ORDER chemical weapon attacks".

That doesn't mean his side didn't USE them (whether because of some dipshiat general, or some handwaving bullshiat). Bush didn't ORDER the shiat at Abu Grahib, but that doesn't farking mean it didn't *happen*.
 
2013-09-14 11:50:19 AM  
Most countries with modern medicine could probably whip up biological weapons if they really wanted to.  If you can make a smallpox vaccine, you have everything you need to use smallpox as a weapon. However, its a pretty retarded idea to use biological weapons in your country during a civil war, because there is no way to contain it once it starts, and i'm sure Assad knows it.
 
2013-09-14 11:57:32 AM  

Felgraf: RyogaM: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/09/201515/intercepts-caught-assad- r ejecting.html#.UjSApX8f9uQ

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/8/german-intelligenceas sa ddidntapprovechemicalweaponattacks.html

All those say are in line with what Assad has been saying: "I didn't ORDER chemical weapon attacks".

That doesn't mean his side didn't USE them (whether because of some dipshiat general, or some handwaving bullshiat). Bush didn't ORDER the shiat at Abu Grahib, but that doesn't farking mean it didn't *happen*.


Please, do not misunderstand.  I absolutely know the attack happened, that it was the Syrian military that did the attack, and that Assad is responsible for the actions of his military and having a command structure that would allow such an attack without his direct order (if that is what happened), and that he deserves the severe penalty of losing sovereignty over those weapon.  I was arguing against a dipshiat who claims to know that Assad ordered the attack, and other fluff and nonsense which is immaterial to this post.  His contention, that Assad purposefully flouted the "Red Line" and ordered the attack himself is not supported by evidence. That's it.
 
2013-09-14 11:59:57 AM  
RyogaM:
Please, do not misunderstand.  I absolutely know the attack happened, that it was the Syrian military that did the attack, and that Assad is responsible for the actions of his military and having a command structure that would allow such an attack without his direct order (if that is what happened), and that he deserves the severe penalty of losing sovereignty over those weapon.  I was arguing against a dipshiat who claims to know that Assad ordered the attack, and other fluff and nonsense which is immaterial to this post.  His contention, that Assad purposefully flouted the "Red Line" and ordered the attack himself is not supported by evidence. That's it.

Saving face after a rogue attack by one of his commanders might be exactly why he is willing to declare and to make sure it doesn't happen again.
 
2013-09-14 12:08:03 PM  

notto: Saving face after a rogue attack by one of his commanders might be exactly why he is willing to declare and to make sure it doesn't happen again.


Exactly.  Maybe, Assad thought that he had it all under control, that no one would use the chemical weapons without his permission, and he had refused requests to use the weapons previously and was not going to change his mind.  But then some ass decided to use the Sarin anyway.  Now, he's got the U.S. up his ass threatening to strike, and he had no idea what those strikes will entail, and Russia trying and failing to cover your ass making noises about rebels using the gas.  He knows that his control and command structure is not sound.  It could happen again at any time.  Solution?  Get rid of them.  They are useless to him, because he would never order their use, and they will not win him the war if used,  and they are a danger to him, because some other mad general could use them without his permission, making U.S. strikes inevitable.  Best course of action, get rid of them completely.
 
2013-09-14 12:20:45 PM  

RyogaM: Felgraf: RyogaM: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/09/201515/intercepts-caught-assad- r ejecting.html#.UjSApX8f9uQ

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/8/german-intelligenceas sa ddidntapprovechemicalweaponattacks.html

All those say are in line with what Assad has been saying: "I didn't ORDER chemical weapon attacks".

That doesn't mean his side didn't USE them (whether because of some dipshiat general, or some handwaving bullshiat). Bush didn't ORDER the shiat at Abu Grahib, but that doesn't farking mean it didn't *happen*.

Please, do not misunderstand.  I absolutely know the attack happened, that it was the Syrian military that did the attack, and that Assad is responsible for the actions of his military and having a command structure that would allow such an attack without his direct order (if that is what happened), and that he deserves the severe penalty of losing sovereignty over those weapon.  I was arguing against a dipshiat who claims to know that Assad ordered the attack, and other fluff and nonsense which is immaterial to this post.  His contention, that Assad purposefully flouted the "Red Line" and ordered the attack himself is not supported by evidence. That's it.


Oh! Okay, apologies.

Sorry, I've seen a lot of people going "NO IT WURZ THE REBALS WHY WULD ASSAD LAUNCH ATTACK?" and I acted on reflex. Sorry!
 
2013-09-14 12:27:42 PM  

Felgraf: Sorry!


I understand completely.
 
2013-09-14 01:10:34 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: RyogaM: It's a massive win for Obama.


First of all, it hasn't happened yet - in fact, nothing's happened.  The community organizer hasn't won anything.  The story of a 'smart' victory changes every day.

Supposedly, there's a new Red Line for Assad to catalogue and present the locations, types and volumes of his WMD within a week.  What if he doesn't?  John Kerry (who served in Vietnam) isn't talking about airstrikes anymore.  Now, he says, refusal to comply will force the U.S. to plead its case to the U.N. again, which Russia will veto.

Then, assuming Assad provides some sort of 'list' in week, how can anybody know if it's real?  Like, how would you know?  What if he just says, 'Hey, turns out we really don't have enough of the stuff to worry about'.  Then what do you do?  Or what if he just says, 'A week isn't enough time.  This will take months'.

He's already dictating conditions for this looming fiasco.


And if this keystone cop routine actually produces any results, the next Red Line (behind that one) is for Assad to lead International inspectors around by the nose for a year or else... we'll go back to the UN again.  Frightening!

So the end result is:

1)  Obama's Red Line was crossed with no consequences.

2)  'The children' (i.e. the focus of Obama's odd little rant) were gassed with no reprisal and 'the children' will continue to die.  Guess they're suddenly not the priority on Saturday that they were on Tuesday.

3)  There is no longer any military threat against Assad.

4)  Fresh 'Red Lines' have been drawn.  And this time, we mean it! (LOL)


And this is a 'massive win' for Obama?  What does he have to do in order to LOSE?  Like, 'lose face' or something?  Good GOD...


At best, you laid out a case for it being too early to judge. By your own standards, your statements over the last week have been, well, unwise partisan hackery.
 
2013-09-14 01:13:53 PM  

RyogaM: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/09/201515/intercepts-caught-assad- r ejecting.html#.UjSApX8f9uQ

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/8/german-intelligenceas sa ddidntapprovechemicalweaponattacks.html


It's called plausible deniability, and Americans didn't invent it.

Handing your 12 year-old a handgun and then telling them they're not allowed to shoot anyone does not insulate you from accountability.
 
2013-09-14 01:16:31 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: RyogaM: And, it's a win (for Obama), as I said, because Assad is not going to be using chemical weapons again at any time in the near future, if he used them the last time, which, as I said, I still haven't seen proof.


I just have to throw my hands in the air at this point.


It's funny - America gives weapons to the whole world, and when people do something we don't much like, it's still our fault because we armed them.

Assad releases CW to his faithful units and says, "Oh, no, woe is me, don't you EVER actually USE them on our enemies who are about to win and slaughter us all to the man. That would just be TERRIBLE!" and we're supposed to wring our hands over how innocent that poor man is.

I love the contradictory horseshiat people use to argue for what they want.
 
2013-09-14 01:24:16 PM  

vygramul: Assad releases CW to his faithful units and says, "Oh, no, woe is me, don't you EVER actually USE them on our enemies who are about to win and slaughter us all to the man. That would just be TERRIBLE!" and we're supposed to wring our hands over how innocent that poor man is.


No, we are not supposed to wring our hands at how innocent Assad is.  Assad is responsible for either issuing the order to use WMDs (of which there is no evidence that he did so), or, of having a command and control structure that would allow WMDs to be used without his explicit permission or even against his orders.  In either case, he has proven incapable of having WMDs and the right outcome is to have those WMDs taken away, by any means necessary.
 
2013-09-14 01:42:34 PM  
People who want to go to war with Syria solely so they can be pissed with Obama for getting us involved in a war with Syria make me sick.
 
2013-09-14 05:05:11 PM  
The Washington Free Beacon is not a credible source of information.
 
2013-09-15 02:49:18 AM  
Who are we to demand anybody else get rid of their chemical weapons? We have the largest stockpiles on the planet, and we had no problem giving them to Sadaam so he could take care of those evil, insurgent, terrorist Kurds.
 
2013-09-15 08:39:47 AM  

DrPainMD: Who are we to demand anybody else get rid of their chemical weapons? We have the largest stockpiles on the planet, and we had no problem giving them to Sadaam so he could take care of those evil, insurgent, terrorist Kurds.


Except that after we gave them to Iraq, the US and 186 other countries decided they are really bad and shouldn't be used anymore so they signed an agreement to never use them again and to destroy all the existing ones.

The US has destroyed 90% of its chemical weapons stockpile.

Russia still has a larger chemical weapons stockpile than the US and North Korea is believed to have the largest stockpile in the world.
 
2013-09-15 08:46:17 AM  

DrPainMD: Who are we to demand anybody else get rid of their chemical weapons? We have the largest stockpiles on the planet, and we had no problem giving them to Sadaam so he could take care of those evil, insurgent, terrorist Kurds.


Who am I to tell people they can't just shoot people? I own a gun, right?
 
2013-09-15 08:47:25 AM  

DrPainMD: Who are we to demand anybody else get rid of their chemical weapons? We have the largest stockpiles on the planet, and we had no problem giving them to Sadaam so he could take care of those evil, insurgent, terrorist Kurds.


Oh, and there's really less evidence of us having provided Saddam with the Chemical weapons to kill Kurds than of Saddam still having them in 2003.
 
2013-09-15 11:39:44 AM  

RyogaM: notto: Saving face after a rogue attack by one of his commanders might be exactly why he is willing to declare and to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Exactly.  Maybe, Assad thought that he had it all under control, that no one would use the chemical weapons without his permission, and he had refused requests to use the weapons previously and was not going to change his mind.  But then some ass decided to use the Sarin anyway.  Now, he's got the U.S. up his ass threatening to strike, and he had no idea what those strikes will entail, and Russia trying and failing to cover your ass making noises about rebels using the gas.  He knows that his control and command structure is not sound.  It could happen again at any time.  Solution?  Get rid of them.  They are useless to him, because he would never order their use, and they will not win him the war if used,  and they are a danger to him, because some other mad general could use them without his permission, making U.S. strikes inevitable.  Best course of action, get rid of them completely.


Alternatively, it indeed could have been the rebels that used them and Assad wants them put under international control to prevent them from getting their hands on them and using them again. For whatever reason, it's good for everyone that they're getting taken out of the picture.
 
2013-09-15 08:07:49 PM  

vygramul: DrPainMD: Who are we to demand anybody else get rid of their chemical weapons? We have the largest stockpiles on the planet, and we had no problem giving them to Sadaam so he could take care of those evil, insurgent, terrorist Kurds.

Oh, and there's really less evidence of us having provided Saddam with the Chemical weapons to kill Kurds than of Saddam still having them in 2003.


I was there. They were delivered.
 
2013-09-15 08:23:23 PM  

DrPainMD: vygramul: DrPainMD: Who are we to demand anybody else get rid of their chemical weapons? We have the largest stockpiles on the planet, and we had no problem giving them to Sadaam so he could take care of those evil, insurgent, terrorist Kurds.

Oh, and there's really less evidence of us having provided Saddam with the Chemical weapons to kill Kurds than of Saddam still having them in 2003.

I was there. They were delivered.


So was I. You were that guy who couldn't tell the difference between bio-precursors from the US and chemical ones from Britain. You know, not all flags with red-white-&blue colors are America.
 
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