The best revision to drug testing would be to get rid of it.

For piss as clear as a mountain stream, get your Zydot in now folks:

http://66.98.198.85/~eurodot/

how can you oppose that statement?

there is a very very very simple solutions to this:

dont do drugs.


if you are over 21 alchohol is just as enjoyable.

TommyyommoT is holding Statements of Mass Destruction and is prepared to unleash them.

Invade! Invade!!

tamarah, you'll have to wait 'til the crack of noon to find out!

Where is the government getting all of this money from. These tests are way more expensive.

Noticing a distinct lack of focus on training government employees to perform more efficiently in lieu of trying to catch them doing something that should be up to them as free people.

slobarnuts: Thats just great! Lets all step in line and enjoy what the man has for us to legally enjoy! After all it can't be any more harmful than any illigal substance out there, right? Since its legal its 'OK'. The government says so.

theomni, i have to agree with you. i've worked with plenty of morons who were clean and sober, and plenty of good workers who did whatever they wanted to do in their off time. i'd rather work with someone who knows how to, and does their job well, than someone who has no work ethic and messes it up; whether or not they happen to use any drugs.

slobarnuts, i don't know about your statement really. who are you to tell someone what is just as enjoyable as something else to another person? i could tell you that pickled herring is just as enjoyable as getting farked; but i doubt anyone else would agree with that. (but hey, i don't either).

"Ohh, look at me! I'm in a wheelchair!"

[My friends response to me asking him what he made of Gattaca]

yea slobar and that is a wonderful solution isnt it. There is such a thing as a right to privacy, and companys do not have any buisness even knowing if you do drugs, unless you do not perform your job satisfactoraly or you fark something up while under the influence.

Anyone who argues with this is a moron.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

If you oppose this statement I'm sure you will still be the same ignorant Communist jackoff when you wake up at the crack of noon tomorrow.

Piss test, fine. If that comes out postive, that's all you need to know. The rest of this tripe is rather invasive.

WHy do you need to know WHEN someone got stoned, BEFORE you hired them? If they did, DON'T HIRE THEM.

Let's say you do hire them. Everytime you question your employees actions you're gonna rip out more hairs so you can ID the last time they did drugs? WTF?

I'll keep my genomes to myself, thank you very much. This sounds like some pre-wall East German plan to catalog everyone like machines or something.

I love America, but I hate these bureaucracies that are turning us into communists. (This from somone who hates drugs and thinks noone should do them).

TsunamiPearlNecklace: Amen.

I've smoked pot with two of my bosses.
I've been raving with one of them.
We are always at the pub.

USA blows dogs.
Long live the land down under!

sum_yung_guy

i didnt make any claims about health or anything.

but i was just praising the greatness of alchohol.

slobarnuts You need a new dealer if you think grog is as good as the other drugs.

slobarnuts

we are in complete agreement.

Just wonderfull. The American Guberment knows the war on drugs is a complete and total failure, so what does it do?? Pump more billions into a continuing catastrophy that's rooted in deep seated religious dogma. GREAT!

-Sand

IDontKnowWhyITri

my comment should not have specifically applied to constitutional rights.


someone posted about how to get drugs out of your system.

i posted how to avoid them all together.

it was not a

1) flame
2) troll

Don't piss washed-out urine for a drug-test. They'll tell you to come back and piss again.

Fast for a day, then eat and drink like crazy before the test. Take some creatine and vitamin B supplements.

You don't want to be burning fat when you piss. That's when the chemicals get released into your urine.

The best alternative, however, is to resist the evil fascists that are ramming anti-drug legislation down the throats of the vast majority of Americans that smoke pot, etc.

GoatBoy

i personally stay away from illicit drugs.
just a matter of personal preference

slobarnuts
Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.

i.e. Each to their own.

Personally I think alchohol a far worse drug than pot.

well as you said, to each their own.

The federal government is planning to overhaul its employee drug testing program to include scrutiny of workers' hair, saliva and sweat


that sentence just made me damn near sick to my stomach.

And thats exactly what it should be, slobar, a personal preference. Just like alcohal on the job, weed and everything else should NOT be a fireable offence if you are not currently under the influence.

Weed, as a drug, is so much more safer than alcohal. Worst ive done drunk is black out and smash my head through my friends apartment wall. The worst ive done high is eat a bag of cheetoes and laugh histerically.

The goverment is all backwards, but thats because the alcohal industry is lining everyones pockets with major green, and the weed "industry" has never had a legal foot to stand on. So which one gets bashed down too hell?

I also find it ironic how many people tout how bad weed is, when you know they dont know shiat. I thought it was horrible, till i tried it. Then i realized how much safer it was than alcohol, and more fun too. And it doesnt leave you feeling sick in the morning.

It is bad on your lungs, and it is true that it has like 20 times the amount of carcinigenic material as cigarettes. But how much weed do even the hard core pot heads smoke? Most i ever seen was a 40 in a day, which would be the equivelant of 2 or 3 cigarettes, or the equivalent carcinogins of probably about 2-3 packs a day, about the worst a smoker gets.

Sorry for the rant, but i can see the ignorance is going to run wild in this biatch while im asleap. Alas i cannot do anything to stop that, but i can at least put in my $.02 now.

/high as a kite, and my employer has a 3 strikes rule WOOO

The whole premise this testing is built on is shakey.. Like everything else the GUBMENT does, this is all being phased in slowly. Just like seatbelts..

SLOBARNUTS: What happens when alcohol is no longer "permitted." Don't laugh.. They are doing it to smoking now.

Look folks, the point is.. are you a man or are you a sheep? Are you able to decide for yourself, or do you need someone to tell you what to do? Who owns you? Does the GUBMENT own you? Is their judgement more valid than your own? Don't get thrown off track thinking "drugs are baaadd... smoking is baaaddd.. "

What will be labeled "Baaaaddd" next? And how are you going to be able to stop it then, when the precedent has already been set?

Absurdistan...

Xtremehkr -"Where is the government getting all of this money from"
They tax those of us that have some and just print up some more when they run short.If they can scratch up 87 billion for Iraq, cranking out another billion or two to make sure Joe Mailman or Captain Howdy ain't smokin' the wacky tobacky is ok for my tax dollars. I really want my taxes to go to developing some more "really cool weapons".
(Sarcasm)
Ain't gonna pee in no cup, til ole' John Ashcroft drinks it up! Flame-on!

The purpose of dystopian science fiction
isn't to entertain. It is to prepare
you for your horrible, horrible future.

Isn't that the truth...Prozac, Wellbutrin, Zoloft, et al are our Soma. They do, after all, help us cope with our Brave New World.

Crying about right of privicy that's being infringed upon by drug screening when you give your SS# and every other peice of info about yourself out daily in person, online or over the phone. lol priceless.

IDontKnowWhyITri

i dont not, nor have i ever advocated alchohol on the job.
off the job ok, so long as it doesnt effect ones ability to work.

and as far as it being my personal preference to not do illicit drugs, it is. Whether it should be everyones preference or not i have no opinion yay or nay.

skylabdown

i dont really foresee a ban on alchohol. This was done in the 20's and failed miserably.

last i checked my ss# didn't display what i do in my free time to my employer... nor does talking about what i do on a daily basis online make me lose a job. different worlds, kthullu.

Hello_Kthullu

Yes, we're all clueless to the fact that our privacy is infringed upon in all the ways you mention or we don't care - I think not. Try harder.

hello_kthullu

no, some of us don't give out information like that. maybe you find reason to in your daily life, but some of us actually prefer privacy.

i've read over this twice wondering just....why? what gain is to be had by this. if urine tests effectively tell what they already have no business knowing, what is the point of more intrusive and more expensive testing?

The planned changes, long awaited by the testing industry

i wonder what kind of lobby they have.

Dahnkster

I'm pretty sure it's all being borrowed right now. I just wonder what is going to be done when it comes time to pay it all back, with interest. This is on top of the billions already promised this week to other programs. And Bob Dole wants universal health care.

There are some theories about what kind of strategy is being employed and what it will ultimately mean. Even a book about it. But no one seems to care that this govt. is spending money like a drunken sailor, to borrow from Sen McCain.

great...I wonder if this applies to polititions?I think I may give it a go cuz the way they pass these dumb ass laws and lobby for them they must be getting high.

eh, soylent greens.

slobarnuts

" dont really foresee a ban on alchohol. This was done in the 20's and failed miserably."

... so tell me how that ban on weed is going.

i dont know

i think i might just leave it at that.

Any company that does blanket drug tests without real cause are not the brightest of the bunch.

Yes drug testing does have it's place if there is reason to believe that the employee is using drugs and the use of those drugs is effecting his/her ability to do their job a or the safety of themselves or those around them.

However, a company who just blindly does drug testing faces the very real problem of drug testing one of their best workers . Think of a sales rep who brings in million dollar accounts but occasionally may take a bit of cocain. What if the policy is instant dismissal if caught with drugs in your system and his caught?

I currently work for a company that requires you to pass a drugs test during the first week of employment and then carries out random drug testing thereafter. I've been tested twice and passed both times, despite smoking pot heavily for the last 12 years. It can be done.

Crying about right of privicy that's being infringed upon by drug screening when you give your SS# and every other peice of info about yourself out daily in person, online or over the phone. lol priceless.

This is necisarry for survival. volunteering my social security number when required does not a right to privacy violation make.

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IDontKnowWhyITri

i dont not, nor have i ever advocated alchohol on the job.
off the job ok, so long as it doesnt effect ones ability to work.

and as far as it being my personal preference to not do illicit drugs, it is. Whether it should be everyones preference or not i have no opinion yay or nay.

skylabdown

i dont really foresee a ban on alchohol. This was done in the 20's and failed miserably.


I do not advocate alcohol on the job, nor any illicet drug. What i was saying is if it is off the job, and you are not under the influence on the job, then its no buisness of the employer.

I can only assume that by "Whether it should be everyones preference or not i have no opinion yay or nay." You mean "choice." Classic. Who cares about the rights of others. If i dont need/want that right, burn it down to the ground. But when they take away your precious alcohal and your getting it underground, i will be in my little hole laughing my ass off.

And your quite wrong about that alcohal thing. Read that article on the people who were arested for public drunkenness about a year ago? yea, just a step in the wrong direction. It will be illegal, as soon as the big alcohal suppliers run outa money to line the guberment's officials pockets.

Stop and take a look around. Our rights are flying right out the window while you sit in your idiotic alcohalic daze. Im stoned right now and i understand how fast our rights are disapearing.

Like when they used the patriot act to catch money launderers in las vegas?(or something to that extent) They used an act put into place to catch terrorists... to catch money launderers. To catch common criminals. And you know what? Any police officer can pull up any record on you without a court order now because of that act.

Soon enough, alcohal, cigarettes, fatty foods, candy. Anything that disrupts from productivity and makes you unhealthy right? Anything thats "bad."

Never mind the huge numbers of drunk driving accedents v.s. dwii weed accedents, or the lung cancer of cigarette smokers, or the fact that people actually have od'ed on caffene, or the people dying of heart attacks and strokes caused by fat buildup.

Wake up. The only reason the goverment doesnt make cigarettes and alcohol and unhealthy food illegal is because of the money comming into the politicians pockets from the special intrest groups. Which is why weed is illegal.

Basically, just wait. Keep doing what the goverment tells you, and maybe you will be lucky enough to be kept alive in the sheep pen with all the other worker bees.

They should also require DNA samples on record in a big computer database for every worker and citizen, and tattoo a bar-code on all their foreheads for reasons of national security... and institute nation-wide fitness programs and healthy eating initiatives, testing for obesity and smoking and anything else that might interfere with the peasants becoming happy citizens and willing taxpayers submissive to the omnipotent authority of the state.

Har har. Glad I don't live in the US of A, land of d'uh free, eh?

You didn't help defeat fascism in WW2, you co-opted it.

Get your collective heads out of your asses and start resisting this intrusive stupidity. What's wrong with you people?

I know there are lots of folks on here that like their weed. Problem is, it's an illegal drug, and since it is an illegal substance, the gov and the courts are going to greenlight anything that comes down the pipe that goes against it.

No matter how much you like pot, no matter how many people want to say that it's not as bad as booze, no matter how screwed up you think the laws are, it doesn't matter! Weed is illegal, and will be in this country for a very very long time. No politician is going to advocate the legalization of it while campaigning, because he would lose big time! No sitting politician is going to do it, because then they won't get re-elected. There are a frightening bumber of people in this country who still think REEFER MADNESS was a documentary, and many of them hold public office.

Get used to it!

There are a couple of ways you can combat this;

1)Don't do drugs!

2)Rather than follow the rest of the sheep into the employment world, be resourceful and start your own business! Work for yourself, so that way you don't have to give anyone your precious bodily fluids!

3)If you know you are going to be entering the job market soon, stop using for a while! Take a break, clean out your system so you can pass...then go back to killing brain cells once you land a job! Taking a few months off shouldn't be that hard....unless you're addicted or something.

i think this is a clever ruse by the government to boost the self esteem of bald guys. tired of being laughed at or looked down upon for being bald? just laugh at your haired coworkers as you smoke your joint in front of them! you can't have your hair tested if you don't have any! if i ever go bald you better believe that's what i'll be doing.