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(Daily Mail)   Coming soon to a gun store near you - A belt fed rifle that can "spray bullets like a fire hose" and it's perfectly legal. Yippie Ki-yay M@#$#@#ER   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 278
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2013-09-14 03:14:53 AM
Two things.  1)This isn't helping the gun debate at all.  2)$6000 is stupid expensive for such a silly feature.
 
2013-09-14 04:05:51 AM
Oh boy! Now I'll really get that deer!
 
2013-09-14 04:38:43 AM
Lol.   The truest truth is it doesn't work on guns that have a bolt lockback interchange.

I have a Phillipines Armscor .22lr rimfire which doesn't do lockback and if I decide I wanna drop 15 rounds into the target in 9 seconds all I gotta do is wiggle my finger.  No sloppy "recoil" operation or anything.  To use this piece of shiat from the article is to absolutely give up on accuracy of any kind.

Its immaterial whether the ATF has cleared it, its already been banned in half the States.
The magazine it takes to feed that much ammo?  Special license.
 
2013-09-14 05:01:42 AM

Occam's Nailfile: NetOwl: Is there any good reason for this thing to be legal?


Is there any good reason that burning a flag should be legal?

Any good reason having the freedom to say "Fark libs eat shiat" should be legal?

For that matter, is there any good reason that eating shiat should be legal?

It's not the job of the citizen to explain why he should be able to retain a constitutional right.  It is the job of the government to prove that it has the authority to restrict that right.

I'll tell ya what...if the number of people murdered by this type of weapon exceeds, say, the number of people who die from other's bare hands, then I'll be willing to listen to why they ought to be banned.


Is there a reason you have "what is legal" and "what is necessary" completely confused in your mind?

Yes, there is a good reason burning a flag should be legal: It's an expression of one's opinion that is protected by the 1st Amendment under "Congress shall make no laws abridging the freedom of speech..." However, Congress may restrict where, when and how that flag may be burned; for instance, in the state of California, you may not take that flag out into the Angeles National Forest in the middle of August and set fire to it when there are wildfire restrictions in place, no matter how ardent a proponent of free speech you may be.

The right to bear arms does NOT guarantee the right to bear any type of ordnance the military churns out. The right of the OTHER people to be safe in their homes and persons trumps to some extent your right to be armed to the teeth; and no court has seen fit to declare that your need to blow shiat up outweighs the needs of everyone else to not be blown up.

And yes, it is legal to eat shiat; however, I see vanishingly few sane people exercising that right. Why are you not out there, defending your inalienable right to chow down on manure? Could it be because not all rights, however LEGAL they may be, are necessary to be exercised?
 
2013-09-14 05:03:25 AM
I didn't know about these!

Detailed review here, showing exactly how it works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnBAyOAiUIM

And here's a guy using one with a Saiga 12-gauge! Damn, I love shotguns and always wanted a full-auto 12-gauge. Some opportunities just come too late in life. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnpG6PlYtME
 
2013-09-14 06:12:03 AM

TheEdibleSnuggie: For those of you ready to lose it because it's a gun, and "ZOMGZZZ SCARY!!! NOBODY SHOULD OWN ONE!!!1111!!!"  let me point you to the price of this thing:

$6,000.

That's out of the range for about 99% of gun owners.  And the ones who DO have the money to spend for something like this typically aren't the kind of crazies you'd worry about handling firearms.  So everybody just calm down.


Yes, because deranged spree killers will totally wait to legally buy something like this instead of just stealing it.
 
2013-09-14 06:37:43 AM

Gyrfalcon: Occam's Nailfile: NetOwl: Is there any good reason for this thing to be legal?


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Is there a reason you have "what is legal" and "what is necessary" completely confused in your mind?


excuse me
what is necessary
1. the only thing necessary is food and a space to sleep
we NEED nothing else
2. deeply resented is someone else telling me what i NEED or what i don't NEED

3. arguing over what should be legal however - that is up to what society wants and/or is willing to put up with.

simple
 
2013-09-14 07:50:07 AM

Tellingthem: Nabb1: cameroncrazy1984: Nabb1: cameroncrazy1984: How does a fire hose spray bullets?

Like one of these guns, obviously.

So, a squirt gun then?

Sure, but you don't want to drink from either of them.

[gabrielchapman.com image 445x234]


That's very odd.  The name Stanley Spadowski popped into my head at random yesterday and I couldn't remember what it was from.  I never remembered to look it up as I would usually do but remembered it immediately when I saw that pic.

/csb
 
2013-09-14 08:03:57 AM
Belt fed whining machine sprays like a gigantic whiny firehose.
 
2013-09-14 08:49:22 AM

runescorpio: Dingleberry Dickwad: duffblue: vygramul: Mugato: Marcus Aurelius: Belt fed is overrated.  You need a two girl crew.

Three 25 round magazines full of 7.62x39mm is what I call "plenty", which is precisely what that amount of ammo weighs.

What are you preparing for?

Half an hour at the range?

Nobody tell mugato that you can get 7.62x39 by the 1000 rd. Box delivered right to your door from the internet. Or boxes, who can buy just one?

Well considering the prices for ammo these days? Not many people can buy one, much less more than one.

Its czech ammo. Yes people can afford one or 2. Got my last one for 2 bills. Thats alot of plinking at the range for nice and cheap.


Impressive. I payed 3 bills for 1000 - 9MM Remington 115 FMJ plinker ammo

I payed 325 for 1000 - .40 SW 180 JHP

Ironically I payed 200 for 1000 - 7MM Rem Mag Federal 180
 
2013-09-14 09:19:35 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: I rather pay a personal ball washer


Is it too much to ask to have someone walking in front of you scrubbing and rinsing?
 
2013-09-14 09:27:53 AM

doglover: Mugato: Marcus Aurelius: Belt fed is overrated.  You need a two girl crew.

Three 25 round magazines full of 7.62x39mm is what I call "plenty", which is precisely what that amount of ammo weighs.

What are you preparing for?

With 75 rounds? Anything.


That could shoot up a lot of schools.......
 
2013-09-14 09:32:09 AM

Ivan the Tolerable: why another greenlight for the[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x333] the Daily Fail again?



Thing is I'm a Brit, living in England and I'm sat here going "But isn't that an Armalite, the civilian variant of the M-16 assault rifle used my America's military?  Not expecting it to have full auto either available or retrofittable is like expecting the SA-80 to fire nerf darts."  Then I realised it's the Daily Mail.

So this is just the DM appealing to its readers about why firearms are evil horrible things and you should all be afraid.

I think most people in the UK would be surprised that something that looks like our idea of an assault rifle doesn't have 3/5 burst and full-auto on its selector as standard.  Not that we'd want one...  not a lot of big critter things to shoot at in these parts; beyond long pig.
 
2013-09-14 09:34:48 AM
Aperture science Industry defense turrets, fire the whole bullet! That's 30% more bullet per bullet.

Cave Johnson, We're done here.
 
2013-09-14 09:37:17 AM

Gyrfalcon: The right to bear arms does NOT guarantee the right to bear any type of ordnance the military churns out.


Correct. That is actually a permitting issue, not a legal issue.

/yes you can own a functional howitzer
//You can own a tank too
///They seal the barrels on tanks so you cant fire them.
////But tanks don't have keys just a start button, so if you're trained on one you could just steal one from a military base. Who's going to stop you? You've got a tank.
 
2013-09-14 09:38:27 AM

JuniorII: That could shoot up a lot of schools.......


A kid in my school stabbed a pencil all the way through a bullies hand.

Should we ban pencils?
 
2013-09-14 09:45:52 AM

Dadoody: You can own a machine gun with the proper license.

If you think owning this without a license is A-OK or a loophole, you are not educated about gun ownership, or the ATF.

This article is pure bologna, and google "DavidOlofson" if you want to see what ATF will do to you.

Ignorant people discussing things they're ignorant about. Carry on libtards.


This this this this this.
 
2013-09-14 09:46:24 AM

fluffy2097: JuniorII: That could shoot up a lot of schools.......

A kid in my school stabbed a pencil all the way through a bullies hand.

Should we ban pencils?


Until that kid can stab 75 (just a number I pulled out of my ass) kids (from a distance of 100 feet easily) then pencils are OK with me.

And did the bully die from his pencil-shot wound?


/bullies don't always get what they deserve
//BAN teh PENCIL!!!!
 
2013-09-14 10:00:14 AM

JuniorII: And did the bully die from his pencil-shot wound?


No but an aspergers kid in my high-school did stab a random kid to death in the bathroom "just to see what it felt like."

/ban all sharps.
 
2013-09-14 10:12:02 AM

cajunns: video


CNN had a video of this device being used on a belt-feed rifle, but damned if I can find it.  I am sure someone with better google-fu than me can dig something up.
 
2013-09-14 10:14:49 AM

Mock26: Also, how the fark can it "shoot multiple bullets at a time"?


That makes it sound scarier, which, after all, is the goal. And you know that quite a few clueless readers will file that 'fact' away in their "why the Government should confiscate all guns" mental log.
 
2013-09-14 10:19:13 AM

fluffy2097: JuniorII: And did the bully die from his pencil-shot wound?

No but an aspergers kid in my high-school did stab a random kid to death in the bathroom "just to see what it felt like."

/ban all sharps.


Please, I am begging you, let's not have a discussion that correlates guns to ANYTHING else than things that were made to kill. Pencils were not made to kill. Sharp things like scissors and protractors (what was this kid stabbed to death with? broken glass? ban mirrors in restrooms! ban restrooms!do you hear yourself?) have other uses.

Guns do not.

And aspergers kid? Did he stab and kill 26? Were they able to wrestle him to the ground and take the sharp thing away? Did they have to wait for him to reload? All interesting questions.....
 
2013-09-14 10:27:45 AM

JuniorII: fluffy2097: JuniorII: And did the bully die from his pencil-shot wound?

No but an aspergers kid in my high-school did stab a random kid to death in the bathroom "just to see what it felt like."

/ban all sharps.

Please, I am begging you, let's not have a discussion that correlates guns to ANYTHING else than things that were made to kill. Pencils were not made to kill. Sharp things like scissors and protractors (what was this kid stabbed to death with? broken glass? ban mirrors in restrooms! ban restrooms!do you hear yourself?) have other uses.

Guns do not.

And aspergers kid? Did he stab and kill 26? Were they able to wrestle him to the ground and take the sharp thing away? Did they have to wait for him to reload? All interesting questions.....


Guns are designed to kill. This is a good thing, because there are folks out there that need killing.
 
2013-09-14 10:32:53 AM
At a buck a round, who can afford to shoot these weapons? Feed mill wanted $8.50 for a box of 50 .22 LR. Sheesh!
 
2013-09-14 10:53:42 AM
I wish these anti gun loons would STFU about this bumber stock so i can buy one when I can afford it...
 
2013-09-14 10:55:25 AM

Occam's Nailfile: NetOwl: Is there any good reason for this thing to be legal?


Is there any good reason that burning a flag should be legal?

Any good reason having the freedom to say "Fark libs eat shiat" should be legal?

For that matter, is there any good reason that eating shiat should be legal?

It's not the job of the citizen to explain why he should be able to retain a constitutional right.  It is the job of the government to prove that it has the authority to restrict that right.

I'll tell ya what...if the number of people murdered by this type of weapon exceeds, say, the number of people who die from other's bare hands, then I'll be willing to listen to why they ought to be banned.


So you are willing to listen as to why handguns ought to be banned?
 
2013-09-14 10:56:02 AM

Yogimus: JuniorII: fluffy2097: JuniorII: And did the bully die from his pencil-shot wound?

No but an aspergers kid in my high-school did stab a random kid to death in the bathroom "just to see what it felt like."

/ban all sharps.

Please, I am begging you, let's not have a discussion that correlates guns to ANYTHING else than things that were made to kill. Pencils were not made to kill. Sharp things like scissors and protractors (what was this kid stabbed to death with? broken glass? ban mirrors in restrooms! ban restrooms!do you hear yourself?) have other uses.

Guns do not.

And aspergers kid? Did he stab and kill 26? Were they able to wrestle him to the ground and take the sharp thing away? Did they have to wait for him to reload? All interesting questions.....

Guns are designed to kill. This is a good thing, because there are folks out there that need killing.


And yet they seem to be used constantly, in the greater majority, to kill the innocent.

Why is that? What could we do to stop this? Since we can't seem to remove the crazy from the human race what other options present themselves?

Please try to think about this in an unselfish manner, lives are at stake.
 
2013-09-14 10:58:53 AM

JuniorII: And yet they seem to be used constantly, in the greater majority, to kill the innocent.


This is false. 50+% of gun deaths are suicides.

Of the remaining deaths are overwhelmingly persons with felony criminal records.
 
2013-09-14 11:10:50 AM

Yogimus: JuniorII: And yet they seem to be used constantly, in the greater majority, to kill the innocent.

This is false. 50+% of gun deaths are suicides.

Of the remaining deaths are overwhelmingly persons with felony criminal records.


Holy cow dude, you pulled that one right out of your rectum.

Unless the CDC is out to take yer gurns.....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm

And totally citation needed about the remaining deaths vs felony record.

imagetitan.net
 
2013-09-14 11:24:44 AM

Yogimus: JuniorII: And yet they seem to be used constantly, in the greater majority, to kill the innocent.

This is false. 50+% of gun deaths are suicides.

Of the remaining deaths are overwhelmingly persons with felony criminal records.


Guns are used 40 - 80 times more often to protect a life and/or property than they are used to commit a crime.
 
2013-09-14 11:31:37 AM
Meanwhile, there are still strict limits on how much Sudafed I can buy in a month.
 
2013-09-14 11:37:34 AM

Maul555: Yogimus: JuniorII: And yet they seem to be used constantly, in the greater majority, to kill the innocent.

This is false. 50+% of gun deaths are suicides.

Of the remaining deaths are overwhelmingly persons with felony criminal records.

Guns are used 40 - 80 times more often to protect a life and/or property than they are used to commit a crime.


That stat smells of rectum also.

http://smartgunlaws.org/dangers-of-gun-use-for-self-defense-statisti cs / 

By those numbers (I'm even including other guns, not just the evil handgun) we have a 1.5767087122323262% of guns used in a manner deemed justifiable  by law enforcement.
 
2013-09-14 11:40:42 AM
JuniorII:
And aspergers kid? Did he stab and kill 26? Were they able to wrestle him to the ground and take the sharp thing away? Did they have to wait for him to reload? All interesting questions.....

img.fark.net

This partially paralyzed 56-year old former taxi driver killed at least 198 people and injured at least 147.
He did it with two milk jugs of gasoline and a lighter. Obviously we must pass strict gasoline control laws.
 
2013-09-14 11:46:04 AM

BayouOtter: JuniorII:
And aspergers kid? Did he stab and kill 26? Were they able to wrestle him to the ground and take the sharp thing away? Did they have to wait for him to reload? All interesting questions.....

[img.fark.net image 180x180]

This partially paralyzed 56-year old former taxi driver killed at least 198 people and injured at least 147.
He did it with two milk jugs of gasoline and a lighter. Obviously we must pass strict gasoline control laws.


Sigh. I even asked please.

And what else is gasoline used for? It really has other uses? Are you willing to give up your pick-em-up truck?
 
2013-09-14 11:51:23 AM

JuniorII: Maul555: Yogimus: JuniorII: And yet they seem to be used constantly, in the greater majority, to kill the innocent.

This is false. 50+% of gun deaths are suicides.

Of the remaining deaths are overwhelmingly persons with felony criminal records.

Guns are used 40 - 80 times more often to protect a life and/or property than they are used to commit a crime.

That stat smells of rectum also.

http://smartgunlaws.org/dangers-of-gun-use-for-self-defense-statisti cs /

By those numbers (I'm even including other guns, not just the evil handgun) we have a 1.5767087122323262% of guns used in a manner deemed justifiable  by law enforcement.


Wow, that was short and useless.   ...  I am still correct though

click to enlarge:
americangunfacts.com


The big point to take away from this is that making guns more difficult to obtain by law abiding citizens will directly result in more victims.  Guns are overwhelmingly used for good in this country in the majority of gun related incidents.   I cannot support any measures that would reduce the number of self defense uses...
 
2013-09-14 11:58:09 AM
JuniorII:
Sigh. I even asked please.

And what else is gasoline used for? It really has other uses?


You can use it as a solvent to clean delicate fabrics, too. Other than that, you've got the release of chemical energy through oxidation(combustion).
 
2013-09-14 12:25:01 PM

Maul555: JuniorII: Maul555: Yogimus: JuniorII: And yet they seem to be used constantly, in the greater majority, to kill the innocent.

This is false. 50+% of gun deaths are suicides.

Of the remaining deaths are overwhelmingly persons with felony criminal records.

Guns are used 40 - 80 times more often to protect a life and/or property than they are used to commit a crime.

That stat smells of rectum also.

http://smartgunlaws.org/dangers-of-gun-use-for-self-defense-statisti cs /

By those numbers (I'm even including other guns, not just the evil handgun) we have a 1.5767087122323262% of guns used in a manner deemed justifiable  by law enforcement.

Wow, that was short and useless.   ...  I am still correct though

click to enlarge:
[americangunfacts.com image 271x1500]


The big point to take away from this is that making guns more difficult to obtain by law abiding citizens will directly result in more victims.  Guns are overwhelmingly used for good in this country in the majority of gun related incidents.   I cannot support any measures that would reduce the number of self defense uses...


Infographics are neat to look at, even if they are completely cherry-picked stats.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/ sh rtable_15.html

Simple enough for you? It's from the FBI's own crime stats.
 
2013-09-14 12:26:55 PM

JuniorII: Maul555: JuniorII: Maul555: Yogimus: JuniorII: And yet they seem to be used constantly, in the greater majority, to kill the innocent.

This is false. 50+% of gun deaths are suicides.

Of the remaining deaths are overwhelmingly persons with felony criminal records.

Guns are used 40 - 80 times more often to protect a life and/or property than they are used to commit a crime.

That stat smells of rectum also.

http://smartgunlaws.org/dangers-of-gun-use-for-self-defense-statisti cs /

By those numbers (I'm even including other guns, not just the evil handgun) we have a 1.5767087122323262% of guns used in a manner deemed justifiable  by law enforcement.

Wow, that was short and useless.   ...  I am still correct though

click to enlarge:
[americangunfacts.com image 271x1500]


The big point to take away from this is that making guns more difficult to obtain by law abiding citizens will directly result in more victims.  Guns are overwhelmingly used for good in this country in the majority of gun related incidents.   I cannot support any measures that would reduce the number of self defense uses...

Infographics are neat to look at, even if they are completely cherry-picked stats.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/ sh rtable_15.html

Simple enough for you? It's from the FBI's own crime stats.


Thanks for proving my point.  There are many many many many times more self defence gun uses than there are homicides listed on that page.
 
2013-09-14 12:29:51 PM
Oh no! A big scary gun!

Insert rant about gun nuts being scared....
 
2013-09-14 12:34:18 PM
Hmmm, California is about to enact a law that bans all centerfire semiauto rifles with detachable mags. I never thought about shifting to belt-fed. Hmmm.
 
2013-09-14 01:36:06 PM

Maul555: There are many many many many times more self defence gun uses than there are homicides listed on that page.


A "defensive" firearm use only occurs if an aggressor is killed. Considering any other incident, such as when an aggressor is nonfatally injured or simply deterred without injury, risks diminishing an anti-gun argument, and thus those incidents should not be counted.
 
2013-09-14 01:59:14 PM
Well, I shoot a fair bit, but don't own a black rifle.  To ME, this looks like a big waste of money, but then every time I'm at the range I see something that makes me shake my head it seems like.  But I like to get a lot of shooting for my money, and I prize accuracy more than volume of lead launched per second.

I'm also a cheap SOB, so I'd never spend that kind of dosh just to be able to waste ammo faster.  I'd rather spend 10x the range time for the same number of rounds.

Then, I'm an old coot, so probably this is not for me anyway, I don't wear 5.11 clothing and look to make sure everything I buy is either Bone Collector imprinted or says "Tactical" on the package.
 
2013-09-14 02:23:33 PM
"M@#$#@#ER" = "Mossberg Farker", right?
 
2013-09-14 02:30:39 PM

bmwericus: Well, I shoot a fair bit, but don't own a black rifle.  To ME, this looks like a big waste of money, but then every time I'm at the range I see something that makes me shake my head it seems like.  But I like to get a lot of shooting for my money, and I prize accuracy more than volume of lead launched per second.

I'm also a cheap SOB, so I'd never spend that kind of dosh just to be able to waste ammo faster.  I'd rather spend 10x the range time for the same number of rounds.

Then, I'm an old coot, so probably this is not for me anyway, I don't wear 5.11 clothing and look to make sure everything I buy is either Bone Collector imprinted or says "Tactical" on the package.


I'd like to get a decent AR-15 these days, but that's because I genuinely enjoy shooting the M16A4 or M4 when my unit goes to the range.  I've gotten used to shooting a rifle with a pistol grip.  We shoot man-sized plastic "Ivans" that pop-up.  I like shooting it accurately semi-automatic, and feel a great sense of satisfaction when I get an Expert rating.

It would be nice to shoot without all of the hassle of the military's oppressive safety regulations.  The idea of blasting a bunch of watermelons from 25 meters with some gimmick that makes it flop around like a dying squid has zero appeal to me.
 
2013-09-14 02:54:34 PM
www.ammoland.com

Thought this was interesting.

I'm sure Assad would agree that the "rebels" should not be allowed access to assault weapons.


/But it couldn't happen here
//I'm telling you, my dear
///That it couldn't. Happen. Here
 
2013-09-14 02:59:17 PM

bmwericus: Well, I shoot a fair bit, but don't own a black rifle.  To ME, this looks like a big waste of money, but then every time I'm at the range I see something that makes me shake my head it seems like.  But I like to get a lot of shooting for my money, and I prize accuracy more than volume of lead launched per second.

I'm also a cheap SOB, so I'd never spend that kind of dosh just to be able to waste ammo faster.  I'd rather spend 10x the range time for the same number of rounds.

Then, I'm an old coot, so probably this is not for me anyway, I don't wear 5.11 clothing and look to make sure everything I buy is either Bone Collector imprinted or says "Tactical" on the package.


I own an AR-15 pattern rifle, and a "bump-fire" stock does not in any way appeal to me.

This, however, does, so do not assume that I am not a sad and pathetic individual.
 
2013-09-14 03:19:02 PM
So here, any deviation or waffling brings angry nerds, I guess
 
2013-09-14 03:20:01 PM

Amos Quito: [www.ammoland.com image 600x471]

Thought this was interesting.

I'm sure Assad would agree that the "rebels" should not be allowed access to assault weapons.


/But it couldn't happen here
//I'm telling you, my dear
///That it couldn't. Happen. Here


Yes, it could happen here.  I'm expecting it to happen around the same time as we have first contact with the Vulcans.
 
2013-09-14 03:36:42 PM

vygramul: Mugato: Marcus Aurelius: Belt fed is overrated.  You need a two girl crew.

Three 25 round magazines full of 7.62x39mm is what I call "plenty", which is precisely what that amount of ammo weighs.

What are you preparing for?

Half an hour at the range?


If it takes you 30 minutes to fire 75 rounds, you'd better either be doing precision shooting at long range or reevaluate your training.
 
2013-09-14 03:42:43 PM

Mugato: Dimensio: In free societies, the burden is placed upon the government to justify prohibiting actions or rights of ownership.

So how much is an A-bomb?


Every time someone brings nuclear weapons into the gun control debate, you get one of these:

img812.imageshack.us
 
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