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2013-09-13 05:57:02 PM  

dookdookdook: "There's no way to make it work," Ebell said. "It would still give scientists an opportunity to pontificate, and we're opposed to it."

Serious question: Besides American conservatives, is there any other nationally-powerful organization in any other country as openly and proudly hostile to science in particular and objective reality in general this side of the Taliban?


North Korea.  Maybe.
 
2013-09-13 05:58:54 PM  
Hart said the bill would give President Barack Obama the opportunity to appoint someone "who will share his view that science should serve political ends, on such issues as climate change and regulation of greenhouse gases."

Yeah, he's the one who's letting politics come before science.  Riiiight.
 
2013-09-13 05:59:41 PM  

jigger: Fart_Machine: jigger: How about one that does nothing but go around the country dispelling myths about GMOs and fracking?

So you're saying they're going to create a Lobbyist Laureate?

What the hell do you think the purpose of that post is?


And sort of along those lines, why do we need a cheerleader for science to go, what, school to school? to tell people how great being a scientist is?  I don't think that is really necessary - a waste of money when you have Bill Nye, Beakman, et al. reaching more kids anyway.
 
2013-09-13 06:02:14 PM  

balki1867: We are so f'ed as a country.


Why, because a science laureate position hasn't been created? Well then we've been farker since the founding then. It's a meaningless position created by people who have nothing else better to do. It's the exact kind f thing we need to get rid of in government.

Scientists already travel the world in attendance of symposiums, share information online and generally have a great networking architecture compared to other practices.
 
2013-09-13 06:02:59 PM  
Next, they'll have the poet laureate in their sights.
 
2013-09-13 06:04:02 PM  

highendmighty: And sort of along those lines, why do we need a cheerleader for science to go, what, school to school? to tell people how great being a scientist is? I don't think that is really necessary - a waste of money when you have Bill Nye, Beakman, et al. reaching more kids anyway.


Yea, unpaid positions are a waste of money!
 
2013-09-13 06:05:50 PM  
Mike_LowELL: Progress is in direct opposition to scientific discovery.

LOL What?
 
2013-09-13 06:09:06 PM  

sno man: highendmighty: And sort of along those lines, why do we need a cheerleader for science to go, what, school to school? to tell people how great being a scientist is? I don't think that is really necessary - a waste of money when you have Bill Nye, Beakman, et al. reaching more kids anyway.

Yea, unpaid positions are a waste of money!


To be fair, this person would probably be traveling at the taxpayer's expense.
 
2013-09-13 06:09:06 PM  

sno man: dookdookdook: "There's no way to make it work," Ebell said. "It would still give scientists an opportunity to pontificate, and we're opposed to it."

Serious question: Besides American conservatives, is there any other nationally-powerful organization in any other country as openly and proudly hostile to science in particular and objective reality in general this side of the Taliban?

North Korea.  Maybe.


Well, that's something for us to work with diplomatically.  We both only allow science if it makes better bombs.
 
2013-09-13 06:11:53 PM  

sparkeyjames: Mike_LowELL: Progress is in direct opposition to scientific discovery.

LOL What?


Suspect sarcasm. Deep sarcasm.
 
2013-09-13 06:17:59 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: It's not a 'War on Science'.  I agree with not creating yet another bs public figure (with accompanying staff & payroll) on borrowed money to help promote the democrat party.


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The bipartisan Senators who proposed this are truly 'history's greatest monsters.'

"Like the Poet Laureate, the Science Laureate would be an unpaid, honorary post," according to the statement. The laureate would serve a 1- or 2-year term, and "would also be encouraged to continue their important scientific work." Nominees would be vetted by the U.S. National Academy of Sciences.  "The U.S. Science Laureate will be a national role model who can encourage students to learn more about the sciences," Hirono said in the statement. "By elevating great American scientific communicators, we can empower students - especially girls and minorities - to get excited about science."

And I'm sure as Ron and Rand Paul will both tell you, there is no U.S. National Academy of Sciences in the Constitution. Thanks goodness the 101st Fighting Keyboardists like yourself are there to save us from the terrors of encouraging school children and the public from getting more interested in science.
 
2013-09-13 06:18:59 PM  
Seriously? An unpaid honorary position that should promote science gets shot down because the person being appointed might happen to agree with the prevailing theories on climate change?

What a loathsome pack of slack jawed morons the Republican Party has become.
 
2013-09-13 06:20:03 PM  
Again?
 
2013-09-13 06:20:28 PM  

Serious Black: Albino Squid: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I'm kind of glad that this didn't pass, since if a Republican ever takes the presidency again, we'd have three science laureates who think that the earth is six-thousand years old, dinosaur bones are planted by Satan to deceive us, and that if you listen really hard, you can hear a blastocyst scream when it's aborted.

Came here to say this.

Damn. My DNRTFA alarm is really getting a workout today.


I RTFA. I just don't think that the current process would survive for very long...next time members of the National Academy of Sciences do something cruel like writing a letter criticizing Cuchinelli's witch hunt, they'd suddenly cease to be an appropriate vehicle for determining scientific qualifications.
 
2013-09-13 06:22:09 PM  

highendmighty: jigger: Fart_Machine: jigger: How about one that does nothing but go around the country dispelling myths about GMOs and fracking?

So you're saying they're going to create a Lobbyist Laureate?

What the hell do you think the purpose of that post is?

And sort of along those lines, why do we need a cheerleader for science to go, what, school to school? to tell people how great being a scientist is?  I don't think that is really necessary - a waste of money when you have Bill Nye, Beakman, et al. reaching more kids anyway.


It's a waste of the $0 they were going to pay?  It's an honorary position.
 
2013-09-13 06:31:01 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: Government schools aren't teaching kids to read & write yet.


♫ derpy derpy doo, derpy derpy derp doo!♫
 
2013-09-13 06:34:28 PM  

TFerWannaBe: sno man: highendmighty: And sort of along those lines, why do we need a cheerleader for science to go, what, school to school? to tell people how great being a scientist is? I don't think that is really necessary - a waste of money when you have Bill Nye, Beakman, et al. reaching more kids anyway.

Yea, unpaid positions are a waste of money!

To be fair, this person would probably be traveling at the taxpayer's expense.


shhhhuuuusssshhhh.  This is no place for sensible talk like that.
 
2013-09-13 06:36:47 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: Somacandra: Thanks goodness the 101st Fighting Keyboardists like yourself are there to save us from the terrors of encouraging school children and the public from getting more interested in science.


First things first.

Government schools aren't teaching kids to read & write yet.


So any response to that this is an honorary and unpaid position with no staff behind it?
 
2013-09-13 06:38:41 PM  

sno man: TFerWannaBe: sno man: highendmighty: And sort of along those lines, why do we need a cheerleader for science to go, what, school to school? to tell people how great being a scientist is? I don't think that is really necessary - a waste of money when you have Bill Nye, Beakman, et al. reaching more kids anyway.

Yea, unpaid positions are a waste of money!

To be fair, this person would probably be traveling at the taxpayer's expense.

shhhhuuuusssshhhh.  This is no place for sensible talk like that.


Teaching our kids to loveembrace science means nothing compared to the cost of a plane ticket and hotel room.
 
2013-09-13 06:46:41 PM  

highendmighty: And sort of along those lines, why do we need a cheerleader for science to go, what, school to school? to tell people how great being a scientist is? I don't think that is really necessary - a waste of money when you have Bill Nye, Beakman, et al. reaching more kids anyway.


I got into science because Carl Sagan was a cheerleader who told me how great being a scientist was.
 
2013-09-13 06:47:09 PM  

Serious Black: nmrsnr: Did the Sad tag beat the Obvious tag to death?

Sad, obvious, dumbass, asinine, fail...they all would have worked I think. I went with dumbass because that's what declaring a war on science will turn America into: a bunch of dumbasses.

/subby


If this keepa up soon we'll need a new tag: USA :(
 
2013-09-13 06:51:45 PM  

Target Builder: If this keepa up soon we'll need a new tag: USA :(


It's too late.  Intelligence in America has already degraded to the point that Drew no longer remembers how to add the Arizona, Kansas, and North Carolina tags we've needed for months.
 
2013-09-13 06:53:58 PM  

highendmighty: jigger: Fart_Machine: jigger: How about one that does nothing but go around the country dispelling myths about GMOs and fracking?

So you're saying they're going to create a Lobbyist Laureate?

What the hell do you think the purpose of that post is?

And sort of along those lines, why do we need a cheerleader for science to go, what, school to school? to tell people how great being a scientist is?  I don't think that is really necessary - a waste of money when you have Bill Nye, Beakman, et al. reaching more kids anyway.


... I wrote three separate responses to your statement before realizing that it was too willfully ignorant to dignify with a serious answer.
 
2013-09-13 06:54:14 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: Government schools aren't teaching kids to read & write yet.


Oh they read.
i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-13 06:55:53 PM  

Mentat: I got into science because Carl Sagan was a cheerleader who told me how great being a scientist was.


Shhhh.  This is a thread about repubes. They hate reality.
 
2013-09-13 06:58:16 PM  

lockers: Myron Ebell of the Competitive Enterprise Institute told Science that climate-change deniers will object to the measure no matter what happens in committee. "There's no way to make it work," Ebell said. "It would still give scientists an opportunity to pontificate, and we're opposed to it."

For fark sake. I imagine Myron is bald and strokes his white cat in his lair of evil.



THIS; i've never read anything more brazenly ignorant and proud of it, then this douchewagon
 
2013-09-13 07:00:58 PM  
Not having a "Science Laureate" doesn't bother me that much. It would just be a lightning rod for the right-wing nutjobs. I've heard enough about all the "czars" that Obama has appointed. What does bother me though is the Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships and the recently created Office of Faith-Based Community Initiatives.
 
2013-09-13 07:02:14 PM  
FWIW, the "Competitve Enterprise Institute" is setting off a thousand alarm bells, you know, like naming streets "deer run boulevard" or "Mountain Vista Way", you can be sure whatever they're calling it, the thing always ends up being the exact opposite.

Competitve, my ass. They can bite me.
 
2013-09-13 07:04:43 PM  

lockers: Myron Ebell of the Competitive Enterprise Institute told Science that climate-change deniers will object to the measure no matter what happens in committee. "There's no way to make it work," Ebell said. "It would still give scientists an opportunity to pontificate, and we're opposed to it."

For fark sake. I imagine Myron is bald and strokes his white cat in his lair of evil.


Why the fark would anyone think that one of these extremely educated and successful people has anything worth listening to?
 
2013-09-13 07:09:32 PM  
A bipartisan group of senators and House members proposed legislation in May to create this position for an expert in his or her field who "would travel around the country to inspire future scientists."

It is not very often I agree with Republicans but I gotta say, if you knew anything about science, you also would agree with them.  For completely different reasons of course.  The job market farking blows in science because funding from the NIH/NSF has gone way down beginning in the Bush years and yeah, Obama didn't make it much better.  Academic job openings are on the order of 400 applicants for 1 position.  It's not a question of whether you are a good scientist, or whether you are a top 1% scientist.  You have to be better than the top 1% and that demands an enormous personal sacrifice.  So we're going to send some jackass around the country telling people they should totally pursue a science education for the jobs that don't exist?

Call me when there are more science jobs than there are qualified applicants, then I'll be poutraged on this one.
 
2013-09-13 07:15:47 PM  
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It's a very depressing read...
 
2013-09-13 07:16:50 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: ... I think it's about time for Science to declare war on Republicans.

i157.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-13 07:17:04 PM  

lennavan: A bipartisan group of senators and House members proposed legislation in May to create this position for an expert in his or her field who "would travel around the country to inspire future scientists."

It is not very often I agree with Republicans but I gotta say, if you knew anything about science, you also would agree with them.  For completely different reasons of course.  The job market farking blows in science because funding from the NIH/NSF has gone way down beginning in the Bush years and yeah, Obama didn't make it much better.  Academic job openings are on the order of 400 applicants for 1 position.  It's not a question of whether you are a good scientist, or whether you are a top 1% scientist.  You have to be better than the top 1% and that demands an enormous personal sacrifice.  So we're going to send some jackass around the country telling people they should totally pursue a science education for the jobs that don't exist?

Call me when there are more science jobs than there are qualified applicants, then I'll be poutraged on this one.


we'll never get there, because there won't be anyone from this generation to make jobs for the next.

["Don't tread on mmmmmph" snake eating it's own tail.jpg]
 
2013-09-13 07:17:48 PM  
Perhaps they should read some books rather than burning them.
 
2013-09-13 07:21:08 PM  

Serious Black: jigger: Just wait until the next Republican president selects the science laureate to spread their message across the land. Then you'll know this was a good idea.

Somehow I doubt the National Academy of Sciences would ever submit a creationist, flat-earther, climate change denier to any president for selection.


But what about a 9/11 truther or a moon landing guy? Those are valid fields for research and inquiry.
 
2013-09-13 07:22:23 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: It's not a 'War on Science'.  I agree with not creating yet another bs public figure (with accompanying staff & payroll) on borrowed money to help promote the democrat party.

Scientists are already free to travel the country on money-begging tours and preach the snake oil on Global WarmingTM .  God knows that nobody's been stopping them for the last decade.


The REAL war on science are the attacks on technological progress that actually benefit mankind, such as fracking, genetically modified seed, techniques that allow premature infants to survive at younger and younger ages and, of course, defense technology.


It's an unpaid position.  Didn't you notice that?
 
2013-09-13 07:26:59 PM  

HighZoolander: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 234x346]
It's a very depressing read...


It's also seriously flawed.
 
2013-09-13 07:27:42 PM  

dookdookdook: Teaching our kids to loveembrace science means nothing compared to the cost of a plane ticket and hotel room.


Nonsense.  Those plain tickets and hotel rooms cost a brazillion dollars.  Scratch that along with Public Television and you've balanced the budget.
 
2013-09-13 07:29:38 PM  
maybe the "dumbing down of america" began with those who, now long retired/dead, taught these people. they are incurious derisive and dismissive - and see nothing of interest in education

current teachers? your fight began long ago!
 
2013-09-13 07:32:47 PM  

vygramul: HighZoolander: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 234x346]
It's a very depressing read...

It's also seriously flawed.


how so? (I'm not very far into it yet)
 
2013-09-13 07:33:54 PM  

Fart_Machine: dookdookdook: Teaching our kids to loveembrace science means nothing compared to the cost of a plane ticket and hotel room.

Nonsense.  Those plain tickets and hotel rooms cost a brazillion dollars.  Scratch that along with Public Television and you've balanced the budget.


Don't be ridiculous. There's no way that what you suggested would be enough to balance the budget.

To do that you'd need to defund Planned Parenthood and cut foreign aid too.
 
2013-09-13 07:39:09 PM  
They declared war on science years ago.  This is old news for anyone who has been paying attention to politics for the past 5-10 years or so.
 
2013-09-13 07:39:29 PM  
Sounds more like a war on making yet another government-paid unnecessary job, and that's a good thing.
 
2013-09-13 07:44:08 PM  

parasol: maybe the "dumbing down of america" began with those who, now long retired/dead, taught these people. they are incurious derisive and dismissive - and see nothing of interest in education

current teachers? your fight began long ago!


"On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both." - Barry Goldwater

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."" - Isaac Asimov

I think the evidence points to it being more of a top down ideological drive, with the direction of the authoritarians. The quotes just illustrate it from 30 years ago, you know, the formative years of many of these people.
 
2013-09-13 07:46:31 PM  

jjorsett: Sounds more like a war on making yet another government-paid unnecessary job, and that's a good thing.


You read neither the article nor the thread. You fail. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
 
2013-09-13 07:48:08 PM  
Why do we keep electing such stupid people? Its a rhetorical question, stupid people are elected by stupid voters, no wonder the republicans are against higher education.
 
2013-09-13 07:48:31 PM  

HighZoolander: vygramul: HighZoolander: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 234x346]
It's a very depressing read...

It's also seriously flawed.

how so? (I'm not very far into it yet)


There is some minor exaggerations, but the most irritating thing was the double standard. Example: Republicans are unscientific for not wanting to first do the research before declaring something can't work, and then the Republicans were unscientific for wanting to do the research on SDI when it was obvious it wouldn't work.

There were good points to be made, but Mooney didn't write an objective book exploring the problem, he wrote a polemic.
 
2013-09-13 07:48:39 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: The REAL war on science are the attacks on technological progress that actually benefit mankind, such as fracking, genetically modified seed, techniques that allow premature infants to survive at younger and younger ages and, of course, defense technology.


Fracking? Really dude?

I already thought you were a dick, but you want to poison the water table just as we enter an age of water scarcity?
 
2013-09-13 07:49:04 PM  
If every member of the US House of Representatives were to keel over dead, the country would be a MUCH better place.
 
2013-09-13 07:55:07 PM  

lennavan: A bipartisan group of senators and House members proposed legislation in May to create this position for an expert in his or her field who "would travel around the country to inspire future scientists."

It is not very often I agree with Republicans but I gotta say, if you knew anything about science, you also would agree with them.  For completely different reasons of course.  The job market farking blows in science because funding from the NIH/NSF has gone way down beginning in the Bush years and yeah, Obama didn't make it much better.  Academic job openings are on the order of 400 applicants for 1 position.  It's not a question of whether you are a good scientist, or whether you are a top 1% scientist.  You have to be better than the top 1% and that demands an enormous personal sacrifice.  So we're going to send some jackass around the country telling people they should totally pursue a science education for the jobs that don't exist?

Call me when there are more science jobs than there are qualified applicants, then I'll be poutraged on this one.


Trust me when I say I understand your view firsthand.  That said, you still have to inspire the next generation of scientists.  If you pull back in the hopes that things get better eventually, then you'll have the exact opposite problem when the Boomers and Gen Xers retire.  We have to fight to improve the lot of active scientists but we also have to get the next generation ready in the hopes that things will be better when they hit the job market.
 
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