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(Opposing Views)   Trying to save a buck on paying health care, Lake County IN told its older employees to quit their jobs and go on Medicare then -- wink wink -- you can come back to work part time. Surprise, suckers--now you're all fired   (opposingviews.com) divider line 86
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2013-09-13 02:11:44 PM
FTFA: "'I agree it does seem heartless,' said Mike Repay, a Democratic County Commissioner who ran on a platform of 'fiscal responsibility' and a promise to 'eliminate waste.'"

Anyone -- clearly regardless of party -- running on that platform should be required to actually lay out a comprehensive plan on actually implementing those tardspew buzzwords.

I can't wait for the inevitable followup of "Lake County triples expense contracting with private company -- Repay Consulting -- to replace lost services. Tea Party honks Hoveround horns"
 
2013-09-13 02:34:55 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: FTFA: "'I agree it does seem heartless,'


No, it is farking heartless.
 
2013-09-13 02:38:25 PM
Thanks, Obama!
 
2013-09-13 02:59:51 PM
Politicians don't have hearts...or souls.....just hands reaching out for bribes and other money to make themselves rich.
 
2013-09-13 03:04:47 PM
At least Republicans just outright fire you.  Democrats trick you into quitting.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-13 03:08:55 PM

Lsherm: At least Republicans just outright fire you.  Democrats trick you into quitting.


I think an Indiana Democrat is pretty much like a Republican elsewhere.
 
2013-09-13 03:13:49 PM
Poor Jerry.
 
2013-09-13 03:59:18 PM
Wow. That sounds like a dick move
 
2013-09-13 04:16:14 PM
actually the feds noticed employers were gaming the system and set it up so they couldn't .
 
2013-09-13 05:39:37 PM

sithon: actually the feds noticed employers were gaming the system and set it up so they couldn't .


It did strike me as odd that a county government was essentially scamming Medicare.
 
2013-09-13 05:53:45 PM
Why would anyone agree to a benefit scheme premised on quitting your job? First payroll administrator that walks in my office suggesting this would get strung up a flagpole in his underwear.
 
2013-09-13 06:15:15 PM
Evil Capitalism, oh wait it was government

www.lostrepublic.us
 
2013-09-13 06:15:52 PM
And yet the Feds seem okay with letting Wal Mart slaves get Medicaid despite having jobs. Medicaid is a Federal / State partnership.
 
2013-09-13 06:17:58 PM
If that's a picture of the reporter he might want to tone it down a little.
 
2013-09-13 06:18:11 PM
While I agree they were shafted, I also see a bunch of old people not retiring and keeping younger people from getting secure jobs that would have given them some security in their old age had they worked hard until their own retirement. The amount of sympathy I'm prepared to expend is decidedly finite.
 
2013-09-13 06:19:20 PM
Why would any given individual worker agree to this scheme? It was supposed to save the county money, not the individual. I'd like to see how this was presented in individual offices. Would it save the worker money? Were they supposed to agree to this wink-wink scheme out of altruism?

I ask because either (a) the worker saw some profit to be made from taking part in this scheme, which would have constituted Medicare fraud and flat-out greed, or (b), they were coerced into it, and therefore any sort of altruism goes out the window when you're coerced into something.
 
2013-09-13 06:21:24 PM
Awesome, I like, a great way to reduce payroll and get rid of the dead weight. You could go into any government agency (federal/state/local) and fire 30 percent of the staff and nobody would even notice. It is so easy and a efficient way to save money, but no one has the political cojones to actually accomplish this. Instead, lets raise taxes! (Tm)
 
2013-09-13 06:22:01 PM
"The rules said we could do this, but now the rules have changed"

I'm... um. Not seeing a huge problem here.

Could someone explain to me the outrage?
 
2013-09-13 06:23:31 PM
"'I agree it does seem heartless,' said Mike Repay, a Democratic County Commissioner who ran on a platform of 'fiscal responsibility' and a promise to 'eliminate waste.'"

said Mike Repay,

Repay

Something tells me the old timers who are out of jobs aren't getting repaid.
 
2013-09-13 06:24:43 PM
I wonder if it can be proved they new about the law prior to bring up the plan if a successful lawsuit would be possible.
 
2013-09-13 06:25:05 PM
i.imgur.com
Don't worry. They'll all be dead soon.
 
2013-09-13 06:27:06 PM
Sadly, absolutely nobody saw this sort of thing coming.
 
2013-09-13 06:29:31 PM

dantheman195: Awesome, I like, a great way to reduce payroll and get rid of the dead weight. You could go into any government agency (federal/state/local) and fire 30 percent of the staff and nobody would even notice. It is so easy and a efficient way to save money, but no one has the political cojones to actually accomplish this. Instead, lets raise taxes! (Tm)


Great idea! We'll start with your fire department, your police department, and your DMV.
 
2013-09-13 06:31:17 PM
"I was trying to do them a favor,"
There's your first problem, guy.
 
2013-09-13 06:31:54 PM
Even if I wanted to agree to such an absurd plan, I'd have it written into an ironclad contract.
 
2013-09-13 06:35:48 PM
You are all missing the point.  You can't cheat an honest man.  These employees knowingly participated in a scam.  Karma is the queen of biatches.
 
2013-09-13 06:36:02 PM

Scrotastic Method: dantheman195: Awesome, I like, a great way to reduce payroll and get rid of the dead weight. You could go into any government agency (federal/state/local) and fire 30 percent of the staff and nobody would even notice. It is so easy and a efficient way to save money, but no one has the political cojones to actually accomplish this. Instead, lets raise taxes! (Tm)

Great idea! We'll start with your fire department, your police department, and your DMV.


I work for a municipal government and if you walked into my department and fired 30 percent of workers it wouldn't be able to function. And people would probably die because of it.
 
2013-09-13 06:37:37 PM

r1niceboy: While I agree they were shafted, I also see a bunch of old people not retiring and keeping younger people from getting secure jobs that would have given them some security in their old age had they worked hard until their own retirement. The amount of sympathy I'm prepared to expend is decidedly finite.


There is always "Carrousel" (sic).
 
2013-09-13 06:37:47 PM
This just in: 75 year olds still need to work.

So how is your 401k?
 
2013-09-13 06:37:48 PM

baronbloodbath: "'I agree it does seem heartless,' said Mike Repay, a Democratic County Commissioner who ran on a platform of 'fiscal responsibility' and a promise to 'eliminate waste.'"

said Mike Repay,



Sorry, there seems to be a typo there.

said Mike Rapey,

Seems more appropriate this way.
 
2013-09-13 06:40:29 PM

dantheman195: Awesome, I like, a great way to reduce payroll and get rid of the dead weight. You could go into any government agency (federal/state/local) and fire 30 percent of the staff and nobody would even notice. It is so easy and a efficient way to save money, but no one has the political cojones to actually accomplish this. Instead, lets raise taxes! (Tm)


Most employees are actually contractors who get paid more than gubbamint employees.

Like all great congressional ideas meant to save money, it does the opposite.
 
2013-09-13 06:41:01 PM

Summercat: "The rules said we could do this, but now the rules have changed"

I'm... um. Not seeing a huge problem here.

Could someone explain to me the outrage?


Probably because when they were pushing this plan, they could see these changes coming on the horizon. You don't think a county administration would be on top of upcoming federal changes which would affect them? Maybe this particular county was staffed by myopic morons, but then again maybe they were really trying to foist their employee's healthcare on the Feds.
 
2013-09-13 06:41:05 PM
bausfan2005

No, no. When someone with the handle dantheman195 speaks, you have to realize the gravitas such a name implies. A dantheman195 isn't worried about things like facts. He doesn't let reality get in the way of his malformed opinions. That's what the 195 is for, see? It means things.
 
2013-09-13 06:42:42 PM

baufan2005: I work for a municipal government and if you walked into my department and fired 30 percent of workers it wouldn't be able to function. And people would probably die because of it.


And the deaths would reduce the population of people needing your service, thus further reducing the need for staffing at your office. The further reduction is staff, of course, resulting in more deaths and, as a result, another drop in the number of people needing your service. After a few of these 30% reductions in staffing, the need for your department will dry up entirely!
 
2013-09-13 06:43:19 PM
This is only an isolated example of how the obamacare folly is hurting people. obamacare is so great that congress and their staff are signing on wait, that's not true. They got exemptions. Well unions love obamacare. Oh, they are trying to get exemptions. Well obama loves it because he can get young working people to pay for old and unemployed voters. AND businesses are making full time workers part time workers and hiring more part time workers to fill the gap. Yeah, barry wins by trampling on the middle class.
 
2013-09-13 06:48:06 PM

baufan2005: Scrotastic Method: dantheman195: Awesome, I like, a great way to reduce payroll and get rid of the dead weight. You could go into any government agency (federal/state/local) and fire 30 percent of the staff and nobody would even notice. It is so easy and a efficient way to save money, but no one has the political cojones to actually accomplish this. Instead, lets raise taxes! (Tm)

Great idea! We'll start with your fire department, your police department, and your DMV.

I work for a municipal government and if you walked into my department and fired 30 percent of workers it wouldn't be able to function. And people would probably die because of it.


Sorry dude, you didn't get your copy of Reagan Monthly from October 1980 that universally decided all government is bad. Unless it involves regulating vajayjays
 
2013-09-13 06:51:32 PM

dantheman195: Awesome, I like, a great way to reduce payroll and get rid of the dead weight. You could go into any government agency (federal/state/local) and fire 30 percent of the staff and nobody would even notice. It is so easy and a efficient way to save money, but no one has the political cojones to actually accomplish this. Instead, lets raise taxes! (Tm)


You haven't ever worked in a real government office, have you? Because if you had, you'd know that's been done already back in the last 90s. Don't believe me? Google is your friend.
 
2013-09-13 06:56:12 PM

Scrotastic Method: dantheman195: Awesome, I like, a great way to reduce payroll and get rid of the dead weight. You could go into any government agency (federal/state/local) and fire 30 percent of the staff and nobody would even notice. It is so easy and a efficient way to save money, but no one has the political cojones to actually accomplish this. Instead, lets raise taxes! (Tm)

Great idea! We'll start with your fire department, your police department, and your DMV.


The fire department probably shouldn't be filled with retired 65 year olds who are supplementing their pensions.
 
2013-09-13 07:01:26 PM
This was a case of bad timing.

The law against re-hiring is good, though.  It's to prevent people from retiring (and collecting a pension) and then going back to work at the same place, i.e. double-dipping.  This is a huge scam of public money, and in my experience, these double-dippers are about 99% useless.  They don't do any work, don't want to learn anything new, don't want to train young people (because they view them as a threat to their cushy situation).  Ultimately, they also don't care about getting fired.  They're already retired.  It's a 100% gravy boat for them.

It sucks that there were probably a few who really did start in their late 50s or early 60s and weren't in a position to truly retire.  But the responsibility for the screwing they received lies with the former employees who gamed the system.
 
2013-09-13 07:03:10 PM
Lake County Indiana government is full of old school cronyism and the worst kind of corruption.

/thankfully don't have to live or work in Lake.
 
2013-09-13 07:04:32 PM

vpb: I think an Indiana Democrat is pretty much like a Republican elsewhere.


Living in SF I think I would have to either go south 400 miles deep behind the Orange Curtain to find Republicans so heartless. (Or take a bus to 11 South Van Ness Avenue)
 
2013-09-13 07:09:10 PM

dantheman195: Awesome, I like, a great way to reduce payroll and get rid of the dead weight. You could go into any government agency (federal/state/local) and fire 30 percent of the staff and nobody would even notice. It is so easy and a efficient way to save money, but no one has the political cojones to actually accomplish this. Instead, lets raise taxes! (Tm)


Well we could always just start taxing religious organizations like christian churches.  They would generate billions.  We could also cut subsidies for oil & corn that would save billions.  Hmm wonder how many more billions I can come up with by cutting off the teat republicans suckle on.  I still brings me to laughter every time I here republicans biatching about government handouts when its primarily the red states that take more handouts than the taxes they raise.  At least you guys raise a bunch of chickens.
 
2013-09-13 07:10:41 PM
Late friday and my grammar is shot.

It still brings...

here = hear..

okay going home now.
 
2013-09-13 07:12:47 PM

Kazrath: Hmm wonder how many more billions I can come up with by cutting off the teat republicans suckle on.  I still brings me to laughter every time I here republicans biatching about government handouts when its primarily the red states that take more handouts than the taxes they raise.  At least you guys raise a bunch of chickens.


Don't forget subsidies to oil companies who make record profits while paying no taxes.
 
2013-09-13 07:13:55 PM
Ah, The Region.  My home sweet home.

Once I was hassled by border patrol and the guy asked me "so you were born in Hammond, IN, but you live in Atlanta, GA... that's very odd."

Clearly, he has never been to Hammond.
 
2013-09-13 07:18:25 PM

gibbon1: vpb: I think an Indiana Democrat is pretty much like a Republican elsewhere.

Living in SF I think I would have to either go south 400 miles deep behind the Orange Curtain to find Republicans so heartless. (Or take a bus to 11 South Van Ness Avenue)


As a liberal in Indiana, I'll trade you. I'd LOVE to have a 400 mile barrier between me and the windowlickers.

/If you put breadcrumbs in your hand, they'll waddle right up to you and you can pet them
 
2013-09-13 07:21:04 PM
They probably saved a ton on pensions too. Part-timers don't get a lot of the various benefits like severance etc.
 
2013-09-13 07:32:19 PM

Launch Code: This is only an isolated example of how the obamacare folly is hurting people. obamacare is so great that congress and their staff are signing on wait, that's not true. They got exemptions. Well unions love obamacare. Oh, they are trying to get exemptions. Well obama loves it because he can get young working people to pay for old and unemployed voters. AND businesses are making full time workers part time workers and hiring more part time workers to fill the gap. Yeah, barry wins by trampling on the middle class.


WHAT middle class?
 
2013-09-13 07:33:36 PM

vpb: Lsherm: At least Republicans just outright fire you.  Democrats trick you into quitting.

I think an Indiana Democrat is pretty much like a Republican elsewhere.


Our state representatives are just appalling on both sides of the table.  Indiana is stuck in 1955.

Indianapolis and Bloomington are cool, though.
 
2013-09-13 07:34:01 PM
Good luck getting re-elected next go around.  If a politician learns one thing in their tenure, it's "Don't mess with the old people.  They vote early and they vote often."
 
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