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(The Atlantic Wire)   The Guy who the book/movie "Into the Wild" was based on? Apparently he wasn't quite the clueless dumbass everyone assumed, and he probably died from eating a plant no one realized until recently was toxic and slowly paralyzed you   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 274
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2013-09-13 12:34:24 PM
This was only mentioned explicitly in the novel 17 years ago, subby.
 
2013-09-13 12:38:09 PM

Pocket Ninja: This was only mentioned explicitly in the novel 17 years ago, subby.


You expect subby to read a book? Most of the time a subby can't read the article they're linking to.
 
2013-09-13 12:48:39 PM

Pocket Ninja: This was only mentioned explicitly in the novel 17 years ago, subby.


Mentioned.  Completely derided by everyone, finally proven by linking to the results of a till now obscure medical experiment in a Nazi concentration camp-so kinda a big deal
 
2013-09-13 12:57:58 PM
You're still a dumbass if you walk into the wilderness in Alaska to live like Bigfoot.
 
2013-09-13 01:46:05 PM
Going out into the remote wilderness alone, without a satellite phone, or arrangements to have some routinely check on you, just in case you become seriously ill, injured, or otherwise incapacitated?

Yes, you are a clueless dumbass.
 
2013-09-13 01:48:42 PM
No, he was a clueless dumbass. The only people who don't think so are either suburban dwelling wannabes or city dwellers who have no clue.
 
2013-09-13 02:06:54 PM
Are you an Army Ranger or Navy SEAL? Perfectly sane then to do what he did, although I doubt they would do something like that.
 
2013-09-13 02:13:32 PM
The guy was a clueless dumbass who walked into the wild not even remotely prepared survive.
 
2013-09-13 02:14:25 PM

Pocket Ninja: This was only mentioned explicitly in the novel 17 years ago, subby.


I thought I was the only one who bought into that.
 
2013-09-13 02:15:09 PM

Magorn: Completely derided by everyone, finally proven by linking to the results of a till now obscure medical experiment in a Nazi concentration camp-so kinda a big deal


Nazis... is there anything they can't do... besides win a World War?
 
2013-09-13 02:15:17 PM
Oh, and add turning down the offer of help from the person who dropped you off to the list of stupid shiat this idiot did.  Heading out in jeans and crappy shoes in Alaska is asking for trouble, and the guy he hitched a ride with offered to drive him to Anchorage and buy him gear.  I lived in Fairbanks for 3 years, and flew supplies out to the little villages out in the bush.  The people I talked to about that kid all thought he was a dumbass.
 
2013-09-13 02:15:35 PM

Sgt Otter: Going out into the remote wilderness alone, without a satellite phone, or arrangements to have some routinely check on you, just in case you become seriously ill, injured, or otherwise incapacitated?

Yes, you are a clueless dumbass.


That
 
2013-09-13 02:15:39 PM

Sgt Otter: Going out into the remote wilderness alone, without a satellite phone, or arrangements to have some routinely check on you, just in case you become seriously ill, injured, or otherwise incapacitated?

Yes, you are a clueless dumbass.


Satellite phone...in 1992?  He probably should have taken a 40 watt phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range as well.

/He was still a dumbass.
 
2013-09-13 02:15:44 PM
Oh, so he died of accidentally poisoning himself instead of starvation. This changes everything.
 
2013-09-13 02:15:53 PM

Pocket Ninja: This was only mentioned explicitly in the novel 17 years ago, subby.


The book isn't a novel, and the point of the new article is that the toxic substance currently believed to be the culprit is a different one than the one originally speculated on in the book. Other than that, your comment is right on.
 
2013-09-13 02:16:39 PM
Knew it was poison and still ate it?

DUMB
ASS.
 
2013-09-13 02:17:24 PM
Only a dumbass counts on potato
 
2013-09-13 02:17:57 PM
Nope still a clueless fool. Krakauer went into situations that weren't good and made it out because of gear, prep, and some luck.
That kid was retarded.
 
2013-09-13 02:18:25 PM

Pocket Ninja: This was only mentioned explicitly in the novel 17 years ago, subby.


Nope, different conclusion/vector. In the book it was speculated that he confused a non-toxic potato plant for a toxic sweet-pea plant. However the current theory, partly confirmed by chemical analysis, is that the plant food everyone thought was safe, wild potato seeds, actually can be quite toxic over time. No one knew that until recently. Except Hitler.
 
2013-09-13 02:18:42 PM
Hey, if I was being "slowly paralyzed", I'd feel it and do something about it. Did he think he was just cold or something?
 
2013-09-13 02:19:36 PM
It's nice to be still reaping the benefits of Nazi researchers all these years later. Kudos, you sick farks.
 
2013-09-13 02:19:41 PM

vernonFL: Are you an Army Ranger or Navy SEAL? Perfectly sane then to do what he did, although I doubt they would do something like that.


You know, those guys are bad ass and all, but they are the very end of a supply chain, usually. They have a Government looking out for them (hopefully). This guy? He redefined stupid in a very romantic way. Now it is romantically courageous to think you can go into the wilderness with nothing but attitude and survive. Hell, these guys tried to redefine survive as 'simple living with mother nature'.
 
2013-09-13 02:20:22 PM

cryinoutloud: Hey, if I was being "slowly paralyzed", I'd feel it and do something about it. Did he think he was just cold or something?


He probably expected Obozo to come back in time and give him an Obamaphone and some free health care or something.

/damn libs
 
2013-09-13 02:20:25 PM

fluffy2097: You're still a dumbass if you walk into the wilderness in Alaska to live like Bigfoot.


But camping out on Mars to live like a '50s sci-fi Space Cadet, that's the ticket.
 
2013-09-13 02:21:40 PM

deadsanta: Pocket Ninja: This was only mentioned explicitly in the novel 17 years ago, subby.

Nope, different conclusion/vector. In the book it was speculated that he confused a non-toxic potato plant for a toxic sweet-pea plant. However the current theory, partly confirmed by chemical analysis, is that the plant food everyone thought was safe, wild potato seeds, actually can be quite toxic over time. No one knew that until recently. Except Hitler.


Why he died is the least important take away from that guy's life.
 
2013-09-13 02:22:01 PM
How can I get some of these wild potato seeds.
 
2013-09-13 02:23:16 PM
It's even worse than starving to death.  He wasn't smart enough to know what plants are edible and what plants aren't.  Yes, the plant that he ate and the plant that he thought it was looked similar, but any idiot that took a few minutes to look at the plant before eating it, or who *gasp* carried a field guide would have seen the differences.
 
2013-09-13 02:23:40 PM

cryinoutloud: Hey, if I was being "slowly paralyzed", I'd feel it and do something about it. Did he think he was just cold or something?


Probably thought that was mother nature giving him extra love.
 
2013-09-13 02:24:36 PM

uncleacid: How can I get some of these wild potato seeds.


Head north to Anchorage, take a long, long left.
 
2013-09-13 02:24:47 PM

moops: The guy was a clueless dumbass who walked into the wild not even remotely prepared survive.


He was doing OK, for such a weirdo, until he ate the potato seeds.

wiredroach: Pocket Ninja: This was only mentioned explicitly in the novel 17 years ago, subby.

The book isn't a novel, and the point of the new article is that the toxic substance currently believed to be the culprit is a different one than the one originally speculated on in the book. Other than that, your comment is right on.


No, the toxin is the same one initially posited by the author. His original hypothesis was that the kid ate potato seeds, which he knew were poisonous, mistaking them for something non-toxic. Now he's researched and found that NOBODY knew those seeds were poisonous, so the kid can't be faulted for eating them.

Also, the kid had planned to walk out before he got so skinny/sick, but the stream he crossed on his way in to the campsite had flooded and he couldn't get back across. He was not that far from civilization; just bad luck that he died.

Very good book about an interesting young man. Not overblessed with coping skills, but thoughtful and apparently very nice.
 
2013-09-13 02:24:50 PM

lockers: deadsanta: Pocket Ninja: This was only mentioned explicitly in the novel 17 years ago, subby.

Nope, different conclusion/vector. In the book it was speculated that he confused a non-toxic potato plant for a toxic sweet-pea plant. However the current theory, partly confirmed by chemical analysis, is that the plant food everyone thought was safe, wild potato seeds, actually can be quite toxic over time. No one knew that until recently. Except Hitler.

Why he died is the least important take away from that guy's life.


Or the most important should you wish to follow in his footsteps in a non-fatal kind of way.
 
2013-09-13 02:24:51 PM
I think the guy kind of wanted to die.  He succeeded, wonderfully.  Who's the dumbass now?
 
2013-09-13 02:25:02 PM

uncleacid: How can I get some of these wild potato seeds.


Grab a rifle, a book on plants of Alaska and some camping gear. Then head to Alaska.
 
2013-09-13 02:25:48 PM
Headline fails without the *Dumbass* tag
 
2013-09-13 02:26:42 PM

devildog123: Oh, and add turning down the offer of help from the person who dropped you off to the list of stupid shiat this idiot did.  Heading out in jeans and crappy shoes in Alaska is asking for trouble, and the guy he hitched a ride with offered to drive him to Anchorage and buy him gear.  I lived in Fairbanks for 3 years, and flew supplies out to the little villages out in the bush.  The people I talked to about that kid all thought he was a dumbass.


I've met some of his family.  Like a lot of runaways to the far north, the kid had something of a death wish.  I had a brother that took a somewhat similar path to the far north.  He lasted longer (he actually had survival experience in upstate New York), but still drunk himself to death.
 
2013-09-13 02:26:51 PM
Yes, what he did was absolutely a dumbass thing to do, especially turning down the offers of gear and help from people who knew better, but everything prior to that, where he lived life on his own terms, I think is inspiring.  Here was someone who truly had the courage of his convictions and I don't think that's a common thing.  One can't doubt the impact he had on the people he met on his travels.  Was he selfish?  Yes - what kid isn't?  What he put his family through is awful and I recognise that but it doesn't change my opinion of his ethos and much of what he did.
 
2013-09-13 02:26:56 PM

gadian: It's even worse than starving to death.  He wasn't smart enough to know what plants are edible and what plants aren't.  Yes, the plant that he ate and the plant that he thought it was looked similar, but any idiot that took a few minutes to look at the plant before eating it, or who *gasp* carried a field guide would have seen the differences.


Except he was eating something that his field guide said was OK to eat.
 
2013-09-13 02:28:22 PM

vernonFL: Are you an Army Ranger or Navy SEAL? Perfectly sane then to do what he did, although I doubt they would do something like that.


One of my dad's hunting partners is retired USMC.   (Marine Core or whatever the retired guys call themselves)

When they go out into the Alaskan wilderness to go after sheep or caribou you better bet that guy has some serious gear.

"Better to have it and not need it..." is his motto.
 
2013-09-13 02:31:00 PM

mbillips: He was doing OK, for such a weirdo, until he ate the potato seeds.


No, he went into the wild not even close to prepared. He was wearing farking cotton. He left no plan with anyone - he didn't even know his destination. Didn't have enough food. Turned down offers of help from experienced people. He had no idea the river would become impassible or that there was a tram crossing A QUARTER MILE from his camp.

The moment he stepped off the road, he signed his death warrant.
 
2013-09-13 02:31:12 PM

gadian: It's even worse than starving to death.  He wasn't smart enough to know what plants are edible and what plants aren't.  Yes, the plant that he ate and the plant that he thought it was looked similar, but any idiot that took a few minutes to look at the plant before eating it, or who *gasp* carried a field guide would have seen the differences.


Know How I know you didn;t read the aritcle, or the orginal article it was linked to?

A Krakauer noted the guy DID have a feild guide and one that specifically talked about distinguishing wild Potato from sweet pea.  What he seems to have died of, is a nasty chemical in wild potato people were basically unaware of that has nasty nuerotoxic effects, particularly on men, particularly on late-adolescent man, and super especially on late adolescent men who are malnourished.
 
2013-09-13 02:31:42 PM
He decided to go live in the wilderness without knowing how to survive and then tried to live off a single food. That's pretty dumbass. Work your way up to subsistence.
 
2013-09-13 02:31:58 PM
A one dollar map of the area would have shown him the hand crank river crosser that was a quarter mile from him. It would have saved his life long before some obscure nazi known poison killed him.

He was an idiot that went in to the wilderness with no preparation and an unbelievably stupid romanticized view of being on your own.

Suicide by nature is stupid and wholly avoidable by anyone with two ounces of common sense.
 
2013-09-13 02:32:15 PM
But what about the kid from Hatchet?  Could he have survived?
 
2013-09-13 02:33:11 PM
Chris McCandless, who was a kind upstanding young man who had nothing but love for the people he met during his travels, gets to have a legacy of being insulted forever by most likely obese basement dwellers who've never even gone camping, much less tried to live an alternate lifestyle in the wilderness.

You're all pricks. I hope you know that.
 
2013-09-13 02:33:42 PM

Magorn: gadian: It's even worse than starving to death.  He wasn't smart enough to know what plants are edible and what plants aren't.  Yes, the plant that he ate and the plant that he thought it was looked similar, but any idiot that took a few minutes to look at the plant before eating it, or who *gasp* carried a field guide would have seen the differences.

Know How I know you didn;t read the aritcle, or the orginal article it was linked to?

A Krakauer noted the guy DID have a feild guide and one that specifically talked about distinguishing wild Potato from sweet pea.  What he seems to have died of, is a nasty chemical in wild potato people were basically unaware of that has nasty nuerotoxic effects, particularly on men, particularly on late-adolescent man, and super especially on late adolescent men who are malnourished.


A field guide and no map.
 
2013-09-13 02:33:48 PM

DrGunsforHands: But what about the kid from Hatchet?  Could he have survived?


As long as he had enough Foolbirds to eat, he would have made it until winter. He would have died in the winter, though.
 
2013-09-13 02:34:19 PM

mbillips: moops: The guy was a clueless dumbass who walked into the wild not even remotely prepared survive.

He was doing OK, for such a weirdo, until he ate the potato seeds.

wiredroach: Pocket Ninja: This was only mentioned explicitly in the novel 17 years ago, subby.

The book isn't a novel, and the point of the new article is that the toxic substance currently believed to be the culprit is a different one than the one originally speculated on in the book. Other than that, your comment is right on.

No, the toxin is the same one initially posited by the author. His original hypothesis was that the kid ate potato seeds, which he knew were poisonous, mistaking them for something non-toxic. Now he's researched and found that NOBODY knew those seeds were poisonous, so the kid can't be faulted for eating them.

Also, the kid had planned to walk out before he got so skinny/sick, but the stream he crossed on his way in to the campsite had flooded and he couldn't get back across. He was not that far from civilization; just bad luck that he died.

Very good book about an interesting young man. Not overblessed with coping skills, but thoughtful and apparently very nice.


This.
 
2013-09-13 02:34:28 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: fluffy2097: You're still a dumbass if you walk into the wilderness in Alaska to live like Bigfoot.

But camping out on Mars to live like a '50s sci-fi Space Cadet, that's the ticket.


Oh WTF, get out of this thread, you crazy asshole. Find a 3D printing thread to sh*t in.
 
2013-09-13 02:34:33 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: fluffy2097: You're still a dumbass if you walk into the wilderness in Alaska to live like Bigfoot.

But camping out on Mars to live like a '50s sci-fi Space Cadet, that's the ticket.


Help us TechnoBevets, you're our only hope.
 
2013-09-13 02:34:41 PM
Yay! Another story glorifying the dumbass in order to attract more dumbasses "into the wild" to die (or worse yet, be rescued).
 
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