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(Huffington Post UK)   While the United States can't build prisons fast enough for the number of its citizens it locks up, the Netherlands has been forced to close 8 prisons because they don't have enough criminals to fill them   (huffingtonpost.co.uk) divider line 147
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2013-09-13 11:59:24 AM
Thanks drug-decriminalization!
 
2013-09-13 12:32:48 PM
I wonder if they are open to the idea of exporting our convicts?
 
2013-09-13 12:51:16 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if they are open to the idea of exporting our convicts?


We'll call it Australia Mark 2.
 
2013-09-13 12:55:12 PM
Stop arresting people for possession of drugs, make it a ticketable offence.  Legalize pot and let everyone arrested on a drug charge not related to a violent crime out of jail.
 
2013-09-13 01:00:36 PM
Netherlands needs more guns.
 
2013-09-13 01:11:33 PM
I first read this as "The Neanderthals".
 
2013-09-13 01:16:29 PM

RedPhoenix122: I first read this as "The Neanderthals".


me too.  Though i dont think we are necessarily wrong.
 
2013-09-13 01:17:37 PM
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2013-09-13 01:17:41 PM
It's job creatin'
We need to lock people up so they can call an attorney.
 
2013-09-13 01:17:51 PM

James!: Stop arresting people for possession of drugs, make it a ticketable offence.  Legalize pot and let everyone arrested on a drug charge not related to a violent crime out of jail.


Yes lets give people a ticket for selling meth, cocaine, heroin and all the other bad shiat people put in their bodies. If you think the prisons are full of people busted for selling a bag of weed, you're wrong.
 
2013-09-13 01:18:48 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if they are open to the idea of exporting our convicts?


Look, we can't go about off shoring our prisons, there is money to be made off the inmate sweatshops. Sweet sweet cheap labor.  If anything, we should be importing more criminals to work.
 
2013-09-13 01:19:15 PM
They must not have violent video games there.
 
2013-09-13 01:19:59 PM

freak7: James!: Stop arresting people for possession of drugs, make it a ticketable offence.  Legalize pot and let everyone arrested on a drug charge not related to a violent crime out of jail.

Yes lets give people a ticket for selling meth, cocaine, heroin and all the other bad shiat people put in their bodies. If you think the prisons are full of people busted for selling a bag of weed, you're wrong.


You need to ticket bartenders then. And hot dog vendors.
 
2013-09-13 01:20:30 PM

Pinner: It's job creatin'
We need to lock people up so they can call an attorney.


Don't forget your prison workers union. They have been lobbying for tighter laws for years
 
2013-09-13 01:20:53 PM

GodComplex: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if they are open to the idea of exporting our convicts?

Look, we can't go about off shoring our prisons, there is money to be made off the inmate sweatshops. Sweet sweet cheap labor.  If anything, we should be importing more criminals to work.


Australia II, Electric Laborloo!
 
2013-09-13 01:21:25 PM
Snoreway?
 
2013-09-13 01:22:44 PM
So the obvious solution is to ship our criminals off to the Netherlands. Maybe then we'll see more wacky prison yard dance parties.
 
2013-09-13 01:22:51 PM
The way American corporations outsource, the Dutch should be taking in other people's prisoners. They might not want to imprison people for things that aren't illegal in the Netherlands (fair enough) but they could take in paying customers to take the pressure off of country club prisons. They could set the prisoners to work making wooden shoes (sabots or clogs) for the tourists.

I'm surprised the Dutch haven't thought of that, but maybe they did and decided they had enough of other people's criminals in Amsterdam already.
 
2013-09-13 01:23:03 PM
They killed everyone bad in the thread below. Don't need prisons.
 
2013-09-13 01:23:07 PM

Pinner: You need to ticket bartenders then. And hot dog vendors.


Yes, lets compare a hot dog to meth. Just curious, are you challenged?
 
2013-09-13 01:23:12 PM
Speak for yourself subby.  Two of the three jails in my corner of the state are looking to shut down due to under-use.  This is even in a state that will incarcerate someone indefinitely for sex crimes.
 
2013-09-13 01:23:13 PM

James!: Stop arresting people for possession of drugs, make it a ticketable offence. Legalize pot and let everyone arrested on a drug charge not related to a violent crime out of jail.


And what happens when they fail to pay the ticket?
 
2013-09-13 01:23:36 PM

freak7: James!: Stop arresting people for possession of drugs, make it a ticketable offence.  Legalize pot and let everyone arrested on a drug charge not related to a violent crime out of jail.

Yes lets give people a ticket for selling meth, cocaine, heroin and all the other bad shiat people put in their bodies. If you think the prisons are full of people busted for selling a bag of weed, you're wrong.


Why do you think the government should be able to tell you what you can put in your body? Especially when their attempts to do so have failed miserably. It's not any harder to get illegal drugs now that it was when the "war on drugs" started.
 
2013-09-13 01:24:00 PM
Gee, wonder if for-profit prisons could help them?

Their judges will have incentive to lock up a shiatload more people then...
 
2013-09-13 01:24:06 PM
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2013-09-13 01:24:08 PM
So can we buy them off ya?  How about a discount?
 
2013-09-13 01:24:18 PM

freak7: James!: Stop arresting people for possession of drugs, make it a ticketable offence.  Legalize pot and let everyone arrested on a drug charge not related to a violent crime out of jail.

Yes lets give people a ticket for selling meth, cocaine, heroin and all the other bad shiat people put in their bodies. If you think the prisons are full of people busted for selling a bag of weed, you're wrong.


Yes, write them a ticket.
And no, the prisons aren't full of people who were caught selling weed. They're full of people who bought the weed.
Start ticketing people for possession, and in come cases, not even that. Start treating drug abuse as a public health problem and not a crime problem. It'll be cheaper and far more effective in the long run.

Decades of effort, and billions of dollars spent, and the War of Drugs has had virtually no impact on the percentage of people who use and/or abuse drugs. The only thing it has done is cause a lot of deaths and ruin a lot of lives.
 
2013-09-13 01:24:46 PM
THANKS OBAMA!
 
2013-09-13 01:25:42 PM

freak7: Pinner: You need to ticket bartenders then. And hot dog vendors.

Yes, lets compare a hot dog to meth. Just curious, are you challenged?

".....and all the other bad shiat people put in their bodies."


Just commenting on the generalization. Not too tough of a challenge.You okay?
 
2013-09-13 01:25:45 PM
Other countries have been doing civilization way longer than the USA melting pot/social experiment.
They are often quite good at things that we screw up, due to our relative infancy and contrary nature regarding how others do stuff.
 
2013-09-13 01:27:10 PM

give me doughnuts: They're full of people who bought the weed.


Well no, but I see where you potheads are taking this.
 
2013-09-13 01:27:49 PM

miscreant: freak7: James!: Stop arresting people for possession of drugs, make it a ticketable offence.  Legalize pot and let everyone arrested on a drug charge not related to a violent crime out of jail.

Yes lets give people a ticket for selling meth, cocaine, heroin and all the other bad shiat people put in their bodies. If you think the prisons are full of people busted for selling a bag of weed, you're wrong.

Why do you think the government should be able to tell you what you can put in your body? Especially when their attempts to do so have failed miserably. It's not any harder to get illegal drugs now that it was when the "war on drugs" started.


If anything it's slightly easier because we've had decades for dealers to learn exactly how to avoid getting caught.

Seriously, in most cases nowadays getting caught with drugs means you did something stupid.
 
2013-09-13 01:27:53 PM
Potential Dutch Trifecta in effect!
 
2013-09-13 01:28:46 PM
Subby, the U.S. prison population has been falling for the past three years.

Most observers agree that the recession has played a role in shrinking prison populations. In 2011 and 2012, at least 17 states closed or were considering closing prisons partly for budgetary reasons, representing a reduction of 28,525 beds, according to a report by the Sentencing Project published last year.
 
2013-09-13 01:29:08 PM

SirEattonHogg: Potential Dutch Trifecta in effect!


...accidentally self inflicted Dutch Oven from this morning counts?
 
2013-09-13 01:30:42 PM

Pinner: It's job creatin'
We need to lock people up so they can call an attorney.


and those jobs aren't even shovel ready!
 
2013-09-13 01:31:44 PM

miscreant: freak7: James!: Stop arresting people for possession of drugs, make it a ticketable offence.  Legalize pot and let everyone arrested on a drug charge not related to a violent crime out of jail.

Yes lets give people a ticket for selling meth, cocaine, heroin and all the other bad shiat people put in their bodies. If you think the prisons are full of people busted for selling a bag of weed, you're wrong.

Why do you think the government should be able to tell you what you can put in your body? Especially when their attempts to do so have failed miserably. It's not any harder to get illegal drugs now that it was when the "war on drugs" started.


I say we should legalize all the above, then instead of sending someone to prison we should send them to the crack farm (or meth, or heroin).  Ya wanna do crack?  Go live on the crack farm.  You can crack yourself to death if that's what ya want.  If (and this is a BIG if) you actually want to go back to the real world you have the option of getting cleaned up and then go back.  But as long as you wanna do crack you live on the crack farm.

Oh, and there will be plenty of birth control, so no one will be squeezing out any crack babies.
 
2013-09-13 01:33:08 PM

freak7: James!: Stop arresting people for possession of drugs, make it a ticketable offence.  Legalize pot and let everyone arrested on a drug charge not related to a violent crime out of jail.

Yes lets give people a ticket for selling meth, cocaine, heroin and all the other bad shiat people put in their bodies. If you think the prisons are full of people busted for selling a bag of weed, you're wrong.


Reading comprehension is definitely not your strong suit.  Its funny how susceptible dumb people are to brainwashing by the US gov. & churches.
 
2013-09-13 01:33:25 PM
Wait, can't we use all the FEMA camps that these guys are talking about?  They're supposed to be "Ready and waiting"
 
2013-09-13 01:33:56 PM

freak7: Yes lets give people a ticket for selling meth, cocaine, heroin and all the other bad shiat people put in their bodies. If you think the prisons are full of people busted for selling a bag of weed, you're wrong.


Purely for Marijuana, it's about 6% of the State and Federal prison population.  Drugs in general it's about 18%.
Can you imagine what a 6% instant cost savings and corresponding prison population reduction would mean?  That's 130,000 fewer people locked up.
That doesn't even begin to count the other  600,000 people per year who end up with criminal records for Marijuana crimes that don't result in incarceration.
In other words, over  8 MILLION Americans have been arrested for weed since 2000.  That's 8 million too many.

Drug addiction is a medical issue, not a criminal one.  Countries who treat it as such see lower overall crime rates and a host of other savings.
 
2013-09-13 01:34:34 PM
Key stat from TFA: The Dutch have 12,000 people locked up, or less than 0.1 percent of their 17 million people. The U.S. has @ 1.5 MILLION prisoners, about .5 percent.
 
2013-09-13 01:34:37 PM

freak7: James!: Stop arresting people for possession of drugs, make it a ticketable offence.  Legalize pot and let everyone arrested on a drug charge not related to a violent crime out of jail.

Yes lets give people a ticket for selling meth, cocaine, heroin and all the other bad shiat people put in their bodies. If you think the prisons are full of people busted for selling a bag of weed, you're wrong.


You know we have plenty of laws that deal with bad behavior. We don't need to lock people up for ingesting substances. If they do something while they are high then drop the hammer on them but simply being high should not be grounds for arresting someone.

Most people get high high bother no one.
 
2013-09-13 01:35:19 PM
Note that in 1980 American prisons moved to privatization.

Things that make you go Hmmmm.....

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2013-09-13 01:35:32 PM

freak7: James!: Stop arresting people for possession of drugs, make it a ticketable offence.  Legalize pot and let everyone arrested on a drug charge not related to a violent crime out of jail.

Yes lets give people a ticket for selling meth, cocaine, heroin and all the other bad shiat people put in their bodies. If you think the prisons are full of people busted for selling a bag of weed, you're wrong.


Willful ignorance is the best kind of ignorance, right?
 
2013-09-13 01:36:03 PM

Pinner: GodComplex: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I wonder if they are open to the idea of exporting our convicts?

Look, we can't go about off shoring our prisons, there is money to be made off the inmate sweatshops. Sweet sweet cheap labor.  If anything, we should be importing more criminals to work.

Australia II, Electric Laborloo!


The California Department of Corrections and CMT Blues owner Pierre Sleiman say they are providing inmates with job skills, a work ethic and income. In addition, he says prisoners offer the ultimate in a flexible and dependable work force. "If I lay them off for a week," said Sleiman, referring to his workers, "I don't have to worry about someone else coming and saying, 'Come work for me.' "
For the tycoons who have invested in the prison industry, it has been like finding a pot of gold. They don't have to worry about strikes or paying unemployment, health or worker's comp insurance, vacation or comp time. All of their workers are full time, and never arrive late or are absent because of family problems; moreover, if prisoners refuse to work, they are moved to disciplinary housing and lose canteen privileges. Most importantly, they lose "good time" credit that reduces their sentence.

learning job skills for when they return to prison
 
2013-09-13 01:36:30 PM

GodComplex: Look, we can't go about off shoring our prisons, there is money to be made off the inmate sweatshops. Sweet sweet cheap labor. If anything, we should be importing more criminals to work.


We don't need to. They just walk over.
 
2013-09-13 01:37:00 PM

freak7: James!: Stop arresting people for possession of drugs, make it a ticketable offence.  Legalize pot and let everyone arrested on a drug charge not related to a violent crime out of jail.

Yes lets give people a ticket for selling meth, cocaine, heroin and all the other bad shiat people put in their bodies. If you think the prisons are full of people busted for selling a bag of weed, you're wrong.


Good thing I didn't suggest tickets for selling drugs.
 
2013-09-13 01:37:47 PM
It all falls on deaf ears until you or a loved one becomes the 'one in thirty'. Then you'll know. And it will be too late.
 
2013-09-13 01:39:14 PM

Highroller48: freak7: Yes lets give people a ticket for selling meth, cocaine, heroin and all the other bad shiat people put in their bodies. If you think the prisons are full of people busted for selling a bag of weed, you're wrong.

Purely for Marijuana, it's about 6% of the State and Federal prison population.  Drugs in general it's about 18%.
Can you imagine what a 6% instant cost savings and corresponding prison population reduction would mean?  That's 130,000 fewer people locked up.
That doesn't even begin to count the other  600,000 people per year who end up with criminal records for Marijuana crimes that don't result in incarceration.
In other words, over  8 MILLION Americans have been arrested for weed since 2000.  That's 8 million too many.

Drug addiction is a medical issue, not a criminal one.  Countries who treat it as such see lower overall crime rates and a host of other savings.


Most of those people are in for dealing, or possession of dealer amounts. Dealing isn't a medical condition. Personally, I think drug dealers should be treated the same as stockbrokers who deliberately sell shoddy securities, while making bets against those securities in the hedge markets. That wouldn't release any drug dealers, though.
 
2013-09-13 01:39:17 PM

freak7: give me doughnuts: They're full of people who bought the weed.

Well no, but I see where you potheads are taking this.


Really? During the last twenty years, you've probably smoked as much, if not more, weed than I have.
 
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