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(New York Daily News)   The only thing standing between the Yankees and a playoff bid is the unstoppable force of the Red Sox. Well....bye   (nydailynews.com) divider line 77
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2013-09-13 08:39:18 AM
something something A-Roid
 
2013-09-13 08:42:55 AM
As a Yankees fan, I gotta say the Red Sox have been amazing this year.  As long as their bats don't go cold all at once they should cruise through the playoffs.
 
2013-09-13 08:45:05 AM

Arkanaut: As a Yankees fan, I gotta say the Red Sox have been amazing this year.  As long as their bats don't go cold all at once they should cruise through the playoffs.


I admit I haven't been following this season too closely, but is Houston still the viable threat they should be?
 
2013-09-13 08:51:43 AM

somedude210: Arkanaut: As a Yankees fan, I gotta say the Red Sox have been amazing this year.  As long as their bats don't go cold all at once they should cruise through the playoffs.

I admit I haven't been following this season too closely, but is Houston still the viable threat they should be?


Well, only if you consider 46 games below .500 a viable threat....
 
2013-09-13 08:54:37 AM

neritz: Well, only if you consider 46 games below .500 a viable threat....


oh well, I had such high hopes for them

so what does the rest of the league look like in terms of playoffs, assuming that Sox take ALEast and Tampa grabs one of the WCs
 
2013-09-13 08:55:59 AM

somedude210: I admit I haven't been following this season too closely, but is Houston still the viable threat they should be?


They're not going to finish last in the NL Central for the first time in years...
 
2013-09-13 08:59:20 AM

BunkoSquad: somedude210: I admit I haven't been following this season too closely, but is Houston still the viable threat they should be?

They're not going to finish last in the NL Central for the first time in years...


It's amazing how strong that division is this year even after losing the worst team in baseball.  That was a lot of easy wins that left for the AL.
 
2013-09-13 09:10:55 AM
Is this the first year Boston might win without roids? I feel so happy for them!
 
2013-09-13 09:11:23 AM
Yankees are 1 game out with 15 left. Even if they get swept by the Sox, which they probably won't, they are still in the playoff race
 
2013-09-13 09:12:30 AM

Misconduc: Is this the first year Boston might win without roids? I feel so happy for them!


Last I checked, Papi was still on the team
 
2013-09-13 09:15:51 AM
Should be fun but most of my relatives who are Yankee fans dislike this team so it isnt as much fun as usual.
 
2013-09-13 09:20:48 AM

Lost Thought 00: Misconduc: Is this the first year Boston might win without roids? I feel so happy for them!

Last I checked, Papi was still on the team


Papi was never a roid user

and there hasn't been a Sox player named in the latest round of roid users. I don't think we've had one in years
 
2013-09-13 09:33:03 AM
So when does that supposed suspension of A-Rod begin, anyway?  If it takes the rest of the season for the appeal to happen, the team basically avoids his punishment entirely this year.
 
2013-09-13 09:36:26 AM
This weekend is either going to be awesome or excruciating...

In other news, at least the Yankee AA team Trenton Thunder won their league's championship - who says the Yankees have no prospects?
 
2013-09-13 09:37:54 AM

NeoCortex42: So when does that supposed suspension of A-Rod begin, anyway?


September 30th

/LETS GO RED SOX!!
 
2013-09-13 09:58:28 AM

Arkanaut: As a Yankees fan, I gotta say the Red Sox have been amazing this year.  As long as their bats don't go cold all at once they should cruise through the playoffs.


The Tigers are built for the playoffs. Nobody is taking them out in a 5 or 7 game series.
 
2013-09-13 10:08:08 AM
It has been a fun season.  All the Red Sox media, said after the last two years, that they had no chance.  Instead it has been a fun season to watch. Nobody is a stand out, but everyone steps up from time to time.
 
2013-09-13 10:12:14 AM

somedude210: neritz: Well, only if you consider 46 games below .500 a viable threat....

oh well, I had such high hopes for them

so what does the rest of the league look like in terms of playoffs, assuming that Sox take ALEast and Tampa grabs one of the WCs


Sox will take the East.  Tampa is not lock for one of the WC.  Yanks are only a game back of them for it.  Indians and Orioles are also in the mix.
 
2013-09-13 10:14:03 AM
Actually what would make me really, really happy, is if Texas continues its downswing while the Rays and Yankees stay the course, allowing the two of them to make the playoffs while Texas is shut out of the playoffs altogether.

So go A's!
 
2013-09-13 10:17:47 AM

Gunny Highway: Should be fun but most of my relatives who are Yankee fans dislike this team so it isnt as much fun as usual.


I want the Yanks to get the playoffs...as long as A-Roid blows out his hip again.
 
2013-09-13 10:22:47 AM

Rwa2play: Gunny Highway: Should be fun but most of my relatives who are Yankee fans dislike this team so it isnt as much fun as usual.

I want the Yanks to get the playoffs...as long as A-Roid blows out his hip again.


Ha.  This is exactly what they are saying.

IAmRight is hoping the win it all and ARod bats .680 in the playoffs.  The Loki in me wants to see that happen a little bit.

freak7: The Tigers are built for the playoffs. Nobody is taking them out in a 5 or 7 game series.


Time will tell.
 
2013-09-13 10:23:16 AM

neritz: Sox will take the East. Tampa is not lock for one of the WC. Yanks are only a game back of them for it. Indians and Orioles are also in the mix.


well there are two WCs, my assumption is that one of them is going to a team in the East. I'd love to see the O's make a playoff bid though
 
2013-09-13 10:34:25 AM
I hate the Yankees but if Arod pulls a Mazeroski this year I will never stop laughing
 
2013-09-13 10:34:45 AM

somedude210: neritz: Sox will take the East. Tampa is not lock for one of the WC. Yanks are only a game back of them for it. Indians and Orioles are also in the mix.

well there are two WCs, my assumption is that one of them is going to a team in the East. I'd love to see the O's make a playoff bid though


Most likely.  The other WC looks the be going to either Texas or Oakland (basically whichever loses the division).
 
2013-09-13 10:36:32 AM

Rwa2play: Gunny Highway: Should be fun but most of my relatives who are Yankee fans dislike this team so it isnt as much fun as usual.

I want the Yanks to get the playoffs...as long as A-Roid blows out his hip again.


I'll take A-Rod being there (because lord knows Girardi will probably end up benching him anyway) if it means Ichiro has a shot at the ring he deserves, and not to mention Mo...
 
2013-09-13 10:39:30 AM
I'm a Red Sox fan, but I would enjoy seeing  Rivera get one last shot.
 
2013-09-13 10:52:25 AM
FTA: First place might not be at stake, but if you think for one second the Red Sox wouldn't love to put another dent in the Yankees' suddenly resurgent playoff hopes, you're insane.

Another.... oh, I get it. Clever.
 
2013-09-13 10:55:54 AM

somedude210: Lost Thought 00: Misconduc: Is this the first year Boston might win without roids? I feel so happy for them!

Last I checked, Papi was still on the team

Papi was never a roid user

and there hasn't been a Sox player named in the latest round of roid users. I don't think we've had one in years


Uhh you may want to google that. Ortiz tested positive for roids in 2003 (it leaked in 2009). He denied it and then admitted he did and then said it was a vitamin that made him test positive (lol right). He said he'd find out why he tested positive and let us know. Needless to say, he's been quiet about it since.

And Marlon Byrd, who admittedly sucks, tested positive last year
 
2013-09-13 10:59:17 AM

machoprogrammer: Uhh you may want to google that. Ortiz tested positive for roids in 2003 (it leaked in 2009). He denied it and then admitted he did and then said it was a vitamin that made him test positive (lol right). He said he'd find out why he tested positive and let us know. Needless to say, he's been quiet about it since.


That was 10 years ago, He still is getting it done.  Apparently without them.
 
2013-09-13 10:59:30 AM

machoprogrammer: And Marlon Byrd, who admittedly sucks, tested positive last year


I bet the Pirates fans are very upset.
 
2013-09-13 11:02:32 AM

Fear_and_Loathing: machoprogrammer: Uhh you may want to google that. Ortiz tested positive for roids in 2003 (it leaked in 2009). He denied it and then admitted he did and then said it was a vitamin that made him test positive (lol right). He said he'd find out why he tested positive and let us know. Needless to say, he's been quiet about it since.

That was 10 years ago, He still is getting it done.  Apparently without them.


Im guessing he's still juicing or benefitting from previously juicing. He went from 20 HR in Minnesota to 54 in Boston, then sucked the last few years now suddenly is good again while in his late 30s. Not impossible that he juiced in the DR during the offseason
 
2013-09-13 11:03:37 AM

Fear_and_Loathing: machoprogrammer: Uhh you may want to google that. Ortiz tested positive for roids in 2003 (it leaked in 2009). He denied it and then admitted he did and then said it was a vitamin that made him test positive (lol right). He said he'd find out why he tested positive and let us know. Needless to say, he's been quiet about it since.

That was 10 years ago, He still is getting it done.  Apparently without them.


Oh and he said never a roid user, which is false
 
2013-09-13 11:05:58 AM

machoprogrammer: then sucked the last few years now suddenly is good again while in his late 30s


He did have a pretty bad wrist injury.  I dont know if that helps him for not thought.

machoprogrammer: 20 HR in Minnesota to 54 in Boston


Ballpark?
 
2013-09-13 11:07:25 AM

machoprogrammer: Fear_and_Loathing: machoprogrammer: Uhh you may want to google that. Ortiz tested positive for roids in 2003 (it leaked in 2009). He denied it and then admitted he did and then said it was a vitamin that made him test positive (lol right). He said he'd find out why he tested positive and let us know. Needless to say, he's been quiet about it since.

That was 10 years ago, He still is getting it done.  Apparently without them.

Im guessing he's still juicing or benefitting from previously juicing. He went from 20 HR in Minnesota to 54 in Boston, then sucked the last few years now suddenly is good again while in his late 30s. Not impossible that he juiced in the DR during the offseason


In his defense, there is a short porch in right at Fenway.

/this coming from a Yanks fan
 
2013-09-13 11:09:15 AM

machoprogrammer: Not impossible that he juiced in the DR during the offseason


The DR is always a question, but he didn't do it in Florida.  My son has played ball in the DR, anything is game there.
 
2013-09-13 11:09:18 AM

Gunny Highway: machoprogrammer: then sucked the last few years now suddenly is good again while in his late 30s

He did have a pretty bad wrist injury.  I dont know if that helps him for not thought.

machoprogrammer: 20 HR in Minnesota to 54 in Boston

Ballpark?


Well, the failed drug test kinda indicates roids helped, too
 
2013-09-13 11:25:51 AM

machoprogrammer: Gunny Highway: machoprogrammer: then sucked the last few years now suddenly is good again while in his late 30s

He did have a pretty bad wrist injury.  I dont know if that helps him for not thought.

machoprogrammer: 20 HR in Minnesota to 54 in Boston

Ballpark?

Well, the failed drug test kinda indicates roids helped, too


Of course but arent there other factors?  PEDs dont help you hit 34 more HRs.
 
2013-09-13 11:27:03 AM

machoprogrammer: He went from 20 HR in Minnesota to 54 in Boston, then sucked the last few years now suddenly is good again while in his late 30s.


You try to make it sound like Ortiz made the jump to 54 HR in a single year, but it was really over the span of 7 years with modest improvements, year over year, from age 24 to age 30 (which is the prime age for most hitters.) 10, 18, 20, (Traded) 31, 41, 47, 54.  Then you say he sucked the last few years? He'shiat over .300 the last three years including this one. There was a two year span in which his AVG dropped and so did his HR production, even though he was still hitting around 25 of them. He also had some very high SO totals in that time.

So if anything, you can see a bell curve with a couple outlier points as he aged into his prime and then started to come out of it. Seems pretty legit to me.  I'm not denying the 2003 test results, or even suggesting he wasn't taking something. But I am saying that pointing to his stats as a way of trying to prove that isn't going to get you anywhere.
 
2013-09-13 11:29:05 AM

WinoRhino: machoprogrammer: He went from 20 HR in Minnesota to 54 in Boston, then sucked the last few years now suddenly is good again while in his late 30s.

You try to make it sound like Ortiz made the jump to 54 HR in a single year, but it was really over the span of 7 years with modest improvements, year over year, from age 24 to age 30 (which is the prime age for most hitters.) 10, 18, 20, (Traded) 31, 41, 47, 54.  Then you say he sucked the last few years? He'shiat over .300 the last three years including this one. There was a two year span in which his AVG dropped and so did his HR production, even though he was still hitting around 25 of them. He also had some very high SO totals in that time.

So if anything, you can see a bell curve with a couple outlier points as he aged into his prime and then started to come out of it. Seems pretty legit to me.  I'm not denying the 2003 test results, or even suggesting he wasn't taking something. But I am saying that pointing to his stats as a way of trying to prove that isn't going to get you anywhere.


That was far too well-researched and reasonable for a Fark steroid debate.
 
2013-09-13 11:32:44 AM

idesofmarch: That was far too well-researched and reasonable for a Fark steroid debate.


I didn't see any of the usual level-headed stat-citing baseball Farkers (DeWayne Mann, Chimp_Ninja) around so I tried to step up.
 
2013-09-13 11:33:12 AM

idesofmarch: That was far too well-researched and reasonable for a Fark steroid debate.


Lol and well said.
 
2013-09-13 11:34:07 AM

WinoRhino: machoprogrammer: He went from 20 HR in Minnesota to 54 in Boston, then sucked the last few years now suddenly is good again while in his late 30s.

You try to make it sound like Ortiz made the jump to 54 HR in a single year, but it was really over the span of 7 years with modest improvements, year over year, from age 24 to age 30 (which is the prime age for most hitters.) 10, 18, 20, (Traded) 31, 41, 47, 54.  Then you say he sucked the last few years? He'shiat over .300 the last three years including this one. There was a two year span in which his AVG dropped and so did his HR production, even though he was still hitting around 25 of them. He also had some very high SO totals in that time.

So if anything, you can see a bell curve with a couple outlier points as he aged into his prime and then started to come out of it. Seems pretty legit to me.  I'm not denying the 2003 test results, or even suggesting he wasn't taking something. But I am saying that pointing to his stats as a way of trying to prove that isn't going to get you anywhere.


Will you marry me?
 
2013-09-13 11:56:50 AM

Gunny Highway: machoprogrammer: Gunny Highway: machoprogrammer: then sucked the last few years now suddenly is good again while in his late 30s

He did have a pretty bad wrist injury.  I dont know if that helps him for not thought.

machoprogrammer: 20 HR in Minnesota to 54 in Boston

Ballpark?

Well, the failed drug test kinda indicates roids helped, too

Of course but arent there other factors?  PEDs dont help you hit 34 more HRs.


They did for Bonds!
 
2013-09-13 12:13:29 PM

freak7: Arkanaut: As a Yankees fan, I gotta say the Red Sox have been amazing this year.  As long as their bats don't go cold all at once they should cruise through the playoffs.

The Tigers are built for the playoffs. Nobody is taking them out in a 5 or 7 game series.


Except the Giants swept them in 4 games last season.  The playoffs are always about your pitching:  You got guys that can win games 1-0 and not 10-9, you have a chance.

Scherzer's been great, but Verlander's been mediocre.  Mediocre doesn't cut it in the playoffs.
 
2013-09-13 12:19:25 PM

WinoRhino: idesofmarch: That was far too well-researched and reasonable for a Fark steroid debate.

I didn't see any of the usual level-headed stat-citing baseball Farkers (DeWayne Mann, Chimp_Ninja) around so I tried to step up.


I basically gave up on the whole steroid thing back when we had 18 A-Rod threads a day.
 
2013-09-13 12:43:12 PM

DeWayne Mann: WinoRhino: idesofmarch: That was far too well-researched and reasonable for a Fark steroid debate.

I didn't see any of the usual level-headed stat-citing baseball Farkers (DeWayne Mann, Chimp_Ninja) around so I tried to step up.

I basically gave up on the whole steroid thing back when we had 18 A-Rod threads a day.


Slacker.
 
2013-09-13 12:49:21 PM

idesofmarch: DeWayne Mann: WinoRhino: idesofmarch: That was far too well-researched and reasonable for a Fark steroid debate.

I didn't see any of the usual level-headed stat-citing baseball Farkers (DeWayne Mann, Chimp_Ninja) around so I tried to step up.

I basically gave up on the whole steroid thing back when we had 18 A-Rod threads a day.

Slacker.


Well, when LITERALLY ANYTHING is used as proof of steroids usage, that's my limit.

Guy got injured? Steroids.

Guy doesn't get injured? Steroids.

Guy hit a bunch of HRs in one season but never again? Steroids.

Guy hit a bunch of HRs for several seasons? Steroids.

Guy didn't hit a bunch of HR but did other stuff pretty well? Steroids.

Guy wasn't particularity good at all? Steroids.

The only exception: If you played before the 90s, that's ironclad proof that you didn't use.
 
2013-09-13 12:58:30 PM

idesofmarch: Actually what would make me really, really happy, is if Texas continues its downswing while the Rays and Yankees stay the course, allowing the two of them to make the playoffs while Texas is shut out of the playoffs altogether.

So go A's!


Any scenario where the A's avoid the play-in game is fine with me. Though if I had to pick, "Oakland wins the AL West and five-way tie for two wild card spots" is the outcome I'm hoping for.
 
2013-09-13 01:00:18 PM

DeWayne Mann: idesofmarch: DeWayne Mann: WinoRhino: idesofmarch: That was far too well-researched and reasonable for a Fark steroid debate.

I didn't see any of the usual level-headed stat-citing baseball Farkers (DeWayne Mann, Chimp_Ninja) around so I tried to step up.

I basically gave up on the whole steroid thing back when we had 18 A-Rod threads a day.

Slacker.

Well, when LITERALLY ANYTHING is used as proof of steroids usage, that's my limit.

Guy got injured? Steroids.

Guy doesn't get injured? Steroids.

Guy hit a bunch of HRs in one season but never again? Steroids.

Guy hit a bunch of HRs for several seasons? Steroids.

Guy didn't hit a bunch of HR but did other stuff pretty well? Steroids.

Guy wasn't particularity good at all? Steroids.

The only exception: If you played before the 90s, that's ironclad proof that you didn't use.


i was just messing with you :-P
 
2013-09-13 01:02:42 PM

idesofmarch: i was just messing with you :-P


Yeah, I know. But figured I should explain anyway.
 
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