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(BusinessWeek)   California raises minimum wage from Ramen to Kraft mac and cheese   (businessweek.com) divider line 120
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2013-09-13 09:11:46 AM  
Yeah, but they still can't afford the fancy Dijon ketchup.
 
2013-09-13 09:34:11 AM  
Wait, these freeloaders are eating name brand Mac and cheese? Yeesh
 
2013-09-13 10:04:32 AM  
Because $14K take home pay is LIVING LARGE IN MERIKUH.
 
2013-09-13 10:05:37 AM  
Well, that does it.  All the McD's and Starbucks are going to move to Nevada and Arizona now, mark my words.
 
2013-09-13 10:09:40 AM  
If you are working at Mcdonalds or 7-11, you shouldn't be looking to be making a living wage.  These should be temporary jobs you take while in high school or between semesters. Maybe if you are a housewife/husband looking for some extra cash while the kids are in school or a retiree looking to occupy your time these are the kinds of jobs you take.

If you work at a minimum wage job for more than a few years, you're doing it wrong. And you sure as hell shouldn't be having kids.
 
2013-09-13 10:25:32 AM  
Personally, I prefer ramen.


Tricky Chicken: If you are working at Mcdonalds or 7-11, you shouldn't be looking to be making a living wage.  These should be temporary jobs you take while in high school or between semesters. Maybe if you are a housewife/husband looking for some extra cash while the kids are in school or a retiree looking to occupy your time these are the kinds of jobs you take.

If you work at a minimum wage job for more than a few years, you're doing it wrong. And you sure as hell shouldn't be having kids.


But if you turn down those jobs when they're the only ones available you're lazy and probably a leech on public services.
 
2013-09-13 10:25:50 AM  
In-n-Out pays their employees at $10.50 an hour starting out. When a fast food corporation understands the standard of living in a region, maybe they should pay them more. Then again, their food is terrific so you would expect more business.

California has a higher standard of living compared to other US states especially when you live 50 miles from the ocean.
 
2013-09-13 10:26:38 AM  

Sybarite: Yeah, but they still can't afford the fancy Dijon ketchup.


+1, you.  That song is a lot deeper than most people give it credit for, just because it's also silly.

Tricky Chicken: If you are working at Mcdonalds or 7-11, you shouldn't be looking to be making a living wage.  These should be temporary jobs you take while in high school or between semesters. Maybe if you are a housewife/husband looking for some extra cash while the kids are in school or a retiree looking to occupy your time these are the kinds of jobs you take.

If you work at a minimum wage job for more than a few years, you're doing it wrong. And you sure as hell shouldn't be having kids.


Dude, you have been inhaling too much D.C. smog if you really believe that and aren't just trolling.  There are only five job opportunities in the U.S. at the moment:

* Part-time, Benefit-less Contractor, Constant-Travel-or-Shift-Changing-Required, Minimum-Wage Slave (Wal-Mart, McDonalds, etc.)
* Nepotist / Government Welfare Recipient (i.e., the "cushy, do-nothing job that landed in your lap by chance or because you knew/blew somebody")
* Grossly Underpaid Professional (the majority of ordinary doctors, non-celebrity/corporate lawyers, scientists, junior engineers, etc.)
* That One Specialist Where There's Like 5 of Them in the Whole Country
* Grossly Overpaid Corporate Executive Scumbag

Note that only the Nepotist, Specialist, and Executive Scumbag actually get paid anything resembling a living wage.  Also note that there can't possibly be that many openings for those three types, but tons of need for the other two.

Years ago, maybe you'd have been right about service industry jobs.  But if that's all that the Globalists are going to leave us, then they damned well better support a middle-class lifestyle, because you can't sling burgers in Philly with call center workers from China.
 
2013-09-13 10:29:16 AM  

Tricky Chicken: If you are working at Mcdonalds or 7-11, you shouldn't be looking to be making a living wage.  These should be temporary jobs you take while in high school or between semesters. Maybe if you are a housewife/husband looking for some extra cash while the kids are in school or a retiree looking to occupy your time these are the kinds of jobs you take.

If you work at a minimum wage job for more than a few years, you're doing it wrong. And you sure as hell shouldn't be having kids.


Because such jobs are "beneath" real, hard-working people?

If you work, ESPECIALLY for a large franchise like McD's or 7-11 (not like corporate's hurting for cash) you should be able to afford to live - rent, food, at least a night or two out every month, cell/cable, and maybe something to save (if you're responsible). Period, full stop, Harvey tell 'em what they won.

// historical minimum wage, in 1996 dollars (for some reason)
// $5 in 1996 = roughly $7.50 in 2013
// $6 in 1996 = roughly $9 in 2013
// so maybe $10/hr is a tad high, but I'm OK with it
 
2013-09-13 10:36:25 AM  

TheOtherGuy: There are only five job opportunities in the U.S. at the moment:

* Part-time, Benefit-less Contractor, Constant-Travel-or-Shift-Changing-Required, Minimum-Wage Slave (Wal-Mart, McDonalds, etc.)
* Nepotist / Government Welfare Recipient (i.e., the "cushy, do-nothing job that landed in your lap by chance or because you knew/blew somebody")
* Grossly Underpaid Professional (the majority of ordinary doctors, non-celebrity/corporate lawyers, scientists, junior engineers, etc.)
* That One Specialist Where There's Like 5 of Them in the Whole Country
* Grossly Overpaid Corporate Executive Scumbag



Which one of those does having a full-time job with full benefits fall under?
 
2013-09-13 10:37:48 AM  

TheOtherGuy: Sybarite: Dude, you have been inhaling too much D.C. smog if you really believe that and aren't just trolling.  There are only five job opportunities in the U.S. at the moment:

* Part-time, Benefit-less Contractor, Constant-Travel-or-Shift-Changing-Required, Minimum-Wage Slave (Wal-Mart, McDonalds, etc.)
* Nepotist / Government Welfare Recipient (i.e., the "cushy, do-nothing job that landed in your lap by chance or because you knew/blew somebody")
* Grossly Underpaid Professional (the majority of ordinary doctors, non-celebrity/corporate lawyers, scientists, junior engineers, etc.)
* That One Specialist Where There's Like 5 of Them in the Whole Country
* Grossly Overpaid Corporate Executive Scumbag

Note that only the Nepotist, Specialist, and Executive Scumbag actually get paid anything resembling a living wage.  Also note that there can't possibly be that many openings for those three types, but tons of need for the other two.

Years ago, maybe you'd have been right about service industry jobs.  But if that's all that the Globalists are going to leave us, then they damned well better support a middle-class lifestyle, because you can't sling burgers in Philly with call center workers from China.


Most of the college grads I deal with coming straight out of college are getting more than $30,000 for their first job. Most don't know anybody, so you can throw out your mepotism and executive scumbag complaint.  Most are arriving with only general knowledge of the field, so you can drop the specialist complaint. They do tend to go on moderate travel of about 2-3days per month, so you can throw out your constant-travel idea.  The ones that are accepted into the positions that work rotating shift work are extremely competative and make very large salaries.  So they actually don't seem to mind. All of our contractors have extremely attractive benefits packages, and make more than the full time workers, so I don't see a problem there.

Basically, you were wrong on about every thing you wrote.

And most of the college grads I've been interviewing worked a job or two at something close to minimum wage while goind to school.
 
2013-09-13 10:43:14 AM  
Just means mac and cheese just went up in price......
 
2013-09-13 10:49:09 AM  
Progress.
 
2013-09-13 10:49:58 AM  

Sybarite: Yeah, but they still can't afford the fancy Dijon ketchup.


They must have like a million dollars.
 
2013-09-13 10:51:36 AM  

Tricky Chicken: And most of the college grads I've been interviewing worked a job or two at something close to minimum wage while goind to school.


And many will continue working them when they graduate college.  And even when they get a "real" (using that term loosely here) job.  And many will just give up and become a manager of a McDonalds.  Nothing wrong with that.

/except to elitist assholes like you
 
2013-09-13 10:55:37 AM  

Tricky Chicken: TheOtherGuy: Sybarite: Dude, you have been inhaling too much D.C. smog if you really believe that and aren't just trolling.  There are only five job opportunities in the U.S. at the moment:

* Part-time, Benefit-less Contractor, Constant-Travel-or-Shift-Changing-Required, Minimum-Wage Slave (Wal-Mart, McDonalds, etc.)
* Nepotist / Government Welfare Recipient (i.e., the "cushy, do-nothing job that landed in your lap by chance or because you knew/blew somebody")
* Grossly Underpaid Professional (the majority of ordinary doctors, non-celebrity/corporate lawyers, scientists, junior engineers, etc.)
* That One Specialist Where There's Like 5 of Them in the Whole Country
* Grossly Overpaid Corporate Executive Scumbag

Note that only the Nepotist, Specialist, and Executive Scumbag actually get paid anything resembling a living wage.  Also note that there can't possibly be that many openings for those three types, but tons of need for the other two.

Years ago, maybe you'd have been right about service industry jobs.  But if that's all that the Globalists are going to leave us, then they damned well better support a middle-class lifestyle, because you can't sling burgers in Philly with call center workers from China.

Most of the college grads I deal with coming straight out of college are getting more than $30,000 for their first job. Most don't know anybody, so you can throw out your mepotism and executive scumbag complaint.  Most are arriving with only general knowledge of the field, so you can drop the specialist complaint. They do tend to go on moderate travel of about 2-3days per month, so you can throw out your constant-travel idea.  The ones that are accepted into the positions that work rotating shift work are extremely competative and make very large salaries.  So they actually don't seem to mind. All of our contractors have extremely attractive benefits packages, and make more than the full time workers, so I don't see a problem there.

Basically, you were wrong ...


You made a generalization, then I did too, so we're both technically wrong in that not every case is ever going to fit either of our generalizations to the last decimal place.  That said, these examples you mention should fall down on their knees and thank the Lord Above for their good fortune, because they are NOT the norm, average, or majority by any stretch.  I've two colleagues making less than $35k after more than 5 years on the job, and they've had their overtime revoked and their titles changed (basically an accross-the-board demotion of everyone with a certain title in order to justify a multi-year pay freeze and new hires at below market rate - you want an engineer, you call them a technician but demand the engineer skill at technician pay, that sort of thing).

Don't tell me I'm wrong and you're right when neither of us is pulling up charts and statistics.  You've had your experience and I've had mine.  Yours seems way unusual.
 
2013-09-13 10:59:32 AM  

gingerjet: Tricky Chicken: And most of the college grads I've been interviewing worked a job or two at something close to minimum wage while goind to school.

And many will continue working them when they graduate college.  And even when they get a "real" (using that term loosely here) job.  And many will just give up and become a manager of a McDonalds.  Nothing wrong with that.

/except to elitist assholes like you


Exactly, they just give up and accept that they are only worth hiring into a minimum wage position.  So that is exactly all they are worth.  Don't screw up your life and get stuck in a crap job and then whine that you don't make enough money.  You make exactly as much as you are worth.  If you think you are worth more, go get the job you think you are worth.  When you don't get the job you think you are worth, they will usually tell you why you did not qualify. i.e. You didn't have a certain degree, or certification or experience.

You made yourself into what you are currently worth.  If you are only worth minimum wage, it is your own damn fault.  Not the begrudging corporation willing to tolerate your substandard effort.
 
2013-09-13 11:01:22 AM  

lousyskater: TheOtherGuy: There are only five job opportunities in the U.S. at the moment:

* Part-time, Benefit-less Contractor, Constant-Travel-or-Shift-Changing-Required, Minimum-Wage Slave (Wal-Mart, McDonalds, etc.)
* Nepotist / Government Welfare Recipient (i.e., the "cushy, do-nothing job that landed in your lap by chance or because you knew/blew somebody")
* Grossly Underpaid Professional (the majority of ordinary doctors, non-celebrity/corporate lawyers, scientists, junior engineers, etc.)
* That One Specialist Where There's Like 5 of Them in the Whole Country
* Grossly Overpaid Corporate Executive Scumbag


Which one of those does having a full-time job with full benefits fall under?


Um, forgotten fantasy?  Urban legend?  Something only those executives and rare specialists are going to get to keep until some sort of revolution changes this country?

If you've got such a job, I suggest adopting a prepper mentality.  They're going to come for you sooner or later, probably slowly at first (a benefits-reduction here, a "workplace standards adoption" that means longer hours and more responsibility but no extra pay there), but sooner or later you will find yourself feeling exploited, barring big change at the national level.  It's only a matter of time.
 
2013-09-13 11:03:49 AM  

TheOtherGuy: Um, forgotten fantasy?  Urban legend?  Something only those executives and rare specialists are going to get to keep until some sort of revolution changes this country?


Your outrage to ignorance ratio is out of whack. Tens of millions of people have full-time jobs with full benefits.
 
2013-09-13 11:04:11 AM  
One of the local newspaper columnists predicted this will turn California -- a state that has roughly the same economic muscle as France -- into a third-world hellhole within five years. Because, of course, major corporations will abandon the most populous state to set up shop in Grizzly Taint, Montana
 
2013-09-13 11:08:29 AM  

TheOtherGuy: Tricky Chicken: Most of the college grads I deal with coming straight out of college are getting more than $30,000 for their first job. Most don't know anybody, so you can throw out your mepotism and executive scumbag complaint.  Most are arriving with only general knowledge of the field, so you can drop the specialist complaint. They do tend to go on moderate travel of about 2-3days per month, so you can throw out your constant-travel idea.  The ones that are accepted into the positions that work rotating shift work are extremely competative and make very large salaries.  So they actually don't seem to mind. All of our contractors have extremely attractive benefits packages, and make more than the full time workers, so I don't see a problem there.


Basically ...

You made a generalization, then I did too, so we're both technically wrong in that not every case is ever going to fit either of our generalizations to the last decimal place.  That said, these examples you mention should fall down on their knees and thank the Lord Above for their good fortune, because they are NOT the norm, average, or majority by any stretch.  I've two colleagues making less than $35k after more than 5 years on the job, and they've had their overtime revoked and their titles changed (basically an accross-the-board demotion of everyone with a certain title in order to justify a multi-year pay freeze and new hires at below market rate - you want an engineer, you call them a technician but demand the engineer skill at technician pay, that sort of thing).

Don't tell me I'm wrong and you're right when neither of us is pulling up charts and statistics.  You've had your experience and I've had mine.  Yours seems way unusual.


Well, your colleagues seem to have fallen into the old complacency trap.  If they think they are worth more they should go out and get it.  Very few people get promotions anymore.  Most people can only move up by moving out.  Sure you may have to move to a better market, but if you are unwilling to do what it takes, stop complaning and take what you are given.  If you are in the same position for more than 4 years without a bump up, you should be out the door.  Usually you will see a 5-10% pay bump in the process.
 
2013-09-13 11:19:01 AM  

YixilTesiphon: TheOtherGuy: Um, forgotten fantasy?  Urban legend?  Something only those executives and rare specialists are going to get to keep until some sort of revolution changes this country?

Your outrage to ignorance ratio is out of whack. Tens of millions of people have full-time jobs with full benefits.


Not for long.  Not from where I'm standing.  A whole lot of someone's, somewhere, still think there's far, far too much money in our paychecks and is working TIRELESSLY to fix that "problem".  If you think otherwise you're the one being willfully ignorant.  Maybe you do just live in a blissfully untouched area of the country.  I hope for your sake that it stays that way, but my state is not like that at all.
 
2013-09-13 11:19:15 AM  

Tricky Chicken: If you are working at Mcdonalds or 7-11, you shouldn't be looking to be making a living wage. These should be temporary jobs you take while in high school or between semesters


Always fun to see a post where someone is talking out their ass, not knowing the actual breakdown of minimum wage employees.

Willful ignorance combined with a superiority complex. Dashing!
 
2013-09-13 11:20:04 AM  

YixilTesiphon: Tens of millions of people have full-time jobs with full benefits.


Half the jobs in the US pay less than $34K/year.
 
2013-09-13 11:20:33 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Don't screw up your life and get stuck in a crap job and then whine that you don't make enough money


Oh MAN! You just can't help yourself, can you? What a magnificent douche!
 
2013-09-13 11:24:19 AM  
It's still not enough.
 
2013-09-13 11:26:08 AM  

Tricky Chicken: TheOtherGuy: Tricky Chicken: Most of the college grads I deal with coming straight out of college are getting more than $30,000 for their first job. Most don't know anybody, so you can throw out your mepotism and executive scumbag complaint.  Most are arriving with only general knowledge of the field, so you can drop the specialist complaint. They do tend to go on moderate travel of about 2-3days per month, so you can throw out your constant-travel idea.  The ones that are accepted into the positions that work rotating shift work are extremely competative and make very large salaries.  So they actually don't seem to mind. All of our contractors have extremely attractive benefits packages, and make more than the full time workers, so I don't see a problem there.

Basically ...

You made a generalization, then I did too, so we're both technically wrong in that not every case is ever going to fit either of our generalizations to the last decimal place.  That said, these examples you mention should fall down on their knees and thank the Lord Above for their good fortune, because they are NOT the norm, average, or majority by any stretch.  I've two colleagues making less than $35k after more than 5 years on the job, and they've had their overtime revoked and their titles changed (basically an accross-the-board demotion of everyone with a certain title in order to justify a multi-year pay freeze and new hires at below market rate - you want an engineer, you call them a technician but demand the engineer skill at technician pay, that sort of thing).

Don't tell me I'm wrong and you're right when neither of us is pulling up charts and statistics.  You've had your experience and I've had mine.  Yours seems way unusual.

Well, your colleagues seem to have fallen into the old complacency trap.  If they think they are worth more they should go out and get it.  Very few people get promotions anymore.  Most people can only move up by moving out.  Sure you may have to move to a be ...


I don't see how you're not making my point for me.  There is no way on this green earth that the average American, especially with families, is going to move across the state or country every 4-5 years just to maintain a decent standard of living, nor should you need a promotion every 4-5 years in order to do that, especially if you have a professional skill that's in demand.  That's just plain ludicrous, and if the "new normal" requires that on any large scale, then we need a "newer normal" where people actually get to share in their productivity and profit gains instead of it all going to management and owners.  I can think of a number of reasons why this position is untenable, but I hope I don't have to outline them for you if you think about it for a minute.  How often did your parents move further than across town when you were a kid, hmm?  Unless you were a military family, I'd hope not 3 or 4 times during your childhood...
 
2013-09-13 11:28:32 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Grizzly Taint, Montana


I am interested in learning more about business opportunities in Grizzly Taint.
 
2013-09-13 11:33:29 AM  

Tricky Chicken: If you are working at Mcdonalds or 7-11, you shouldn't be looking to be making a living wage.  These should be temporary jobs you take while in high school or between semesters. Maybe if you are a housewife/husband looking for some extra cash while the kids are in school or a retiree looking to occupy your time these are the kinds of jobs you take.

If you work at a minimum wage job for more than a few years, you're doing it wrong. And you sure as hell shouldn't be having kids.


88% percent of fast food workers are over 20 and the average age is 35.  Those who have these jobs and already have kids can't really get rid of them.  Creating laws based on what should happen and not what is actually happening is a recipe for disaster.  You work with the reality you have, not the reality you want.
 
2013-09-13 11:36:03 AM  

mediablitz: Tricky Chicken: Don't screw up your life and get stuck in a crap job and then whine that you don't make enough money

Oh MAN! You just can't help yourself, can you? What a magnificent douche!


Hey, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt (I guess I'm in the mood to be troll-bait).  He seems like a smart fellow, but if he's not trolling he's clearly been brainwashed into the "poor people are poor because they don't try" fallacy, and hard.  If he IS trolling, well, I guess we owe him some well-deserved golf claps.
 
2013-09-13 11:41:40 AM  
I don't eat ramen as much as I did when I was younger, but when I do, I spring for the good stuff that costs more than Kraft Dinner.
 
2013-09-13 11:45:58 AM  

JonZoidberg: I don't eat ramen as much as I did when I was younger, but when I do, I spring for the good stuff that costs more than Kraft Dinner.


Hell yeah.  I get this brand:
image.nongshim.com
I prefer the Miso flavored one.
 
2013-09-13 11:48:00 AM  

TheOtherGuy: mediablitz: Tricky Chicken: Don't screw up your life and get stuck in a crap job and then whine that you don't make enough money

Oh MAN! You just can't help yourself, can you? What a magnificent douche!

Hey, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt (I guess I'm in the mood to be troll-bait).  He seems like a smart fellow, but if he's not trolling he's clearly been brainwashed into the "poor people are poor because they don't try" fallacy, and hard.  If he IS trolling, well, I guess we owe him some well-deserved golf claps.


Here's the thing about a large subsection of mediocre people - they are convinced that they're special, and they will say anything to maintain that idea in their mind.

This is how a guy who is on Fark during work hours can refer to himself as hard-working.
 
2013-09-13 11:52:49 AM  

Rapmaster2000: This is how a guy who is on Fark during work hours can refer to himself as hard-working.


and maybe he has the day off, maybe he's waiting for a meeting to start, maybe he's traveling, basically your assessment doesn't follow as a logical conclusion from the available information.
 
2013-09-13 11:56:36 AM  

Rapmaster2000: TheOtherGuy: mediablitz: Tricky Chicken: Don't screw up your life and get stuck in a crap job and then whine that you don't make enough money

Oh MAN! You just can't help yourself, can you? What a magnificent douche!

Hey, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt (I guess I'm in the mood to be troll-bait).  He seems like a smart fellow, but if he's not trolling he's clearly been brainwashed into the "poor people are poor because they don't try" fallacy, and hard.  If he IS trolling, well, I guess we owe him some well-deserved golf claps.

Here's the thing about a large subsection of mediocre people - they are convinced that they're special, and they will say anything to maintain that idea in their mind.

This is how a guy who is on Fark during work hours can refer to himself as hard-working.


Hah!  I see your point.  Personally, I'll Fark less at work when they start paying me anything over 60% of median for my title in this region.  Or reduce my job description until it reads less like the mission statement for an entire department.  Full Disclosure:  private non-profit, so lower wages are slightly more expected than elsewhere (I'd never expect 100% of median, for example), but still.  The guy who announces that there'll be no COLA year after year takes in a cool half-mill and has expensive perks out the yin-yang.  They've no excuse, so they'll continue to get what they pay for.  With all the extra hours I put in putting out fires, they're still getting a huge bargain no matter how much I post here.
 
2013-09-13 12:01:10 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Rapmaster2000: This is how a guy who is on Fark during work hours can refer to himself as hard-working.

and maybe he has the day off, maybe he's waiting for a meeting to start, maybe he's traveling, basically your assessment doesn't follow as a logical conclusion from the available information.


I know that when I'm off work or traveling, I NEVER Fark.  I only read relevant technical journals or participate in career training and enrichment.

Telling me you Fark when you could be furthering your career through education and study is telling me that you don't work hard.  Are you learning a new language on Fark?  Are you keeping abreast of the latest research in your field.

You can make excuses for laziness and sloth, but I won't.  You will never be a HIGH ACHIEVER if you are always looking for opportunities to slack off.
 
2013-09-13 12:02:42 PM  
How am I going to afford a new Mercedes when the price of a cheeseburger goes up to $15 to pay for this?

I'll tell you how, I'm going to cancel my job creation investment spending, that's how.

15% Unemployment here we come.

Bet you don't feel so clever now, eh Libs?
 
2013-09-13 12:15:30 PM  
 
2013-09-13 12:16:56 PM  
Sigh... This thread again.

I guess I should get dressed and go make $500 without a job or a pimp.
 
2013-09-13 12:28:07 PM  

farkeruk: Minimum wage laws destroy jobs. Get rid of them.

http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/economics/yes-the-minimum-wage-really- do es-reduce-the-number-of-jobs


Pfft.  You get your economic analysis from the libbos at AdamSmith?  You need to read the truth from REAL economists like Arthur Laffer.

Minimum wage laws are the reason so many gays are getting married.
 
2013-09-13 12:30:31 PM  
So $10 an hour in California, that's what like $3.50 an hour anywhere else in the country?
 
2013-09-13 12:38:08 PM  

farkeruk: Minimum wage laws destroy jobs


Plenty of studies that say the exact opposite. The minimum wage should be increased.
 
2013-09-13 01:08:14 PM  

TheOtherGuy: Rapmaster2000: TheOtherGuy: mediablitz: Tricky Chicken: Don't screw up your life and get stuck in a crap job and then whine that you don't make enough money

Oh MAN! You just can't help yourself, can you? What a magnificent douche!

Hey, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt (I guess I'm in the mood to be troll-bait).  He seems like a smart fellow, but if he's not trolling he's clearly been brainwashed into the "poor people are poor because they don't try" fallacy, and hard.  If he IS trolling, well, I guess we owe him some well-deserved golf claps.

Here's the thing about a large subsection of mediocre people - they are convinced that they're special, and they will say anything to maintain that idea in their mind.

This is how a guy who is on Fark during work hours can refer to himself as hard-working.

Hah!  I see your point.  Personally, I'll Fark less at work when they start paying me anything over 60% of median for my title in this region.  Or reduce my job description until it reads less like the mission statement for an entire department.  Full Disclosure:  private non-profit, so lower wages are slightly more expected than elsewhere (I'd never expect 100% of median, for example), but still.  The guy who announces that there'll be no COLA year after year takes in a cool half-mill and has expensive perks out the yin-yang.  They've no excuse, so they'll continue to get what they pay for.  With all the extra hours I put in putting out fires, they're still getting a huge bargain no matter how much I post here.


I don't think I said I was hard working.  I just have a rather particular set of skills.  Skills that I have acquired over a very long career.  I would probably fit into that earlier sub-set of specialists listed earlier.  The benefit of which is that I can prety much do as I please at this point.

There are maybe 10,000 people in the world that currently have the skills and knowledge to do my job. Of that, about 1,200 are retired and unwilling to continue working.Of the remaining 8,800 or so, about 1,000 do not like the field and choose to work in other areas.Of the 7,800, about 2,500 are in positions of management and too busy to do my job.Of the remaining 5,300, about 150 are in prison or otherwise barred from employment.There are about 600 employed at lower levels waiting for an opportunity to move up.There are about 5,500 positions that need to be filled.

I don't really strive for magnificence, It just comes naturally.
 
2013-09-13 01:18:23 PM  
Tricky Chicken:

I don't really strive for magnificence, It just comes naturally.

That's my motto, and I think it shows in my work.  In fact, my magnificence is so effortless, that I could actively work against my own magnificence and still come out as magnificent.
 
2013-09-13 01:23:29 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Well, that does it.  All the McD's and Starbucks are going to move to Nevada and Arizona now, mark my words.


There was an interesting article a few years ago about fast food places outsourcing their drive-thrus, so that the only employees in the store were the ones who directly operate the machinery that assembles the pseudofood, and the guys who take the orders are in a call center in India or something.

I haven't seen anything more about it though.  Maybe the logistics turned out to be more expensive than hiring that one extra guy at each location (or just making one of the other wage slaves do both jobs).
 
2013-09-13 01:31:52 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: farkeruk: Minimum wage laws destroy jobs

Plenty of studies that say the exact opposite. The minimum wage should be increased.


I don't think minimum wage laws destroy jobs.  I just think they contribute to the trickle up economy.  If I know that my appartment comples is in an area most likely to result in  minimum wage tennants I will have to set my rents accordingly.  When you increase the minimum wage, I know I can increase the rent. You increase their income, and I'll get more money.

I don't own rental housing, but that is what I'd do. You just keep increasing the rent as long as each increase nets you more money. If I raise the rent $100, and it forces 1 out of 10 tennants to move out, I am still up $900 each month in cash flow.  Now if that unit rented for $900 or less, I'm in the green.  Plus, I'll be able to try to rent to a more affluent person.
 
2013-09-13 01:38:03 PM  

js34603: So $10 an hour in California, that's what like $3.50 an hour anywhere else in the country?


Probably less.

The problem that California has right now is that you have 3 separate groups of people.

* A (sub-)minimum-wage slave class who get paid shiat to work in terrible conditions and are the reason why 34% of all US welfare recipients live in CA.
* A very small middle class that basically consists of government workers (And let's face it.  Expanding this class just to have a middle class is really counterproductive).
* Highly skilled, highly educated Tech people and movie moguls who make hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars a year.  Oh, and lawyers who make millions trying to stop every infrastructure project in it's tracks and often succeeding.

Then since there isn't enough housing for the tech/movie people, and not enough infrastructure to move people from places where there IS housing/empty land for more housing, the tech people biatch about the rent (and the taxes that go along with being forced into really high brackets just to spend half your pay or more on rent.  Oh dear lord, the taxes), while the middle class and slaves just suffer.

At this point, the Central Valley is slave class, while the Coasts are rich people.
 
2013-09-13 01:38:49 PM  

Tricky Chicken: I just think they contribute to the trickle up economy.


If our choices are trickle up and trickle down, I'll take the former, which produced the strongest middle class in history.
 
2013-09-13 01:42:26 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Most of the college grads I deal with coming straight out of college are getting more than $30,000 for their first job.


The vast majority of US workers do not have a college degree, so most of them won't get that cushy $2.5k/mo (before taxes and other deductions) sinecure your grads can expect.  However, all of them, 100%, need housing, healthcare and transportation, and many of them have the gall to actually have children (even though they should've given up those irresponsible "having children"ideas when they decided not to get a degree, amiright?).

YixilTesiphon: Tens of millions of people have full-time jobs with full benefits.


What percent of 330 million people is "tens of millions?"

This country is designed to help Mitt Romney toss another couple million into his offshore accounts.  It is not designed to help a single parent with affordable childcare so they can remain in the workforce and contribute to the economy.
 
2013-09-13 01:47:51 PM  

Tricky Chicken: TheOtherGuy: Rapmaster2000: TheOtherGuy: mediablitz: Tricky Chicken: Don't screw up your life and get stuck in a crap job and then whine that you don't make enough money

Oh MAN! You just can't help yourself, can you? What a magnificent douche!

Hey, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt (I guess I'm in the mood to be troll-bait).  He seems like a smart fellow, but if he's not trolling he's clearly been brainwashed into the "poor people are poor because they don't try" fallacy, and hard.  If he IS trolling, well, I guess we owe him some well-deserved golf claps.

Here's the thing about a large subsection of mediocre people - they are convinced that they're special, and they will say anything to maintain that idea in their mind.

This is how a guy who is on Fark during work hours can refer to himself as hard-working.

Hah!  I see your point.  Personally, I'll Fark less at work when they start paying me anything over 60% of median for my title in this region.  Or reduce my job description until it reads less like the mission statement for an entire department.  Full Disclosure:  private non-profit, so lower wages are slightly more expected than elsewhere (I'd never expect 100% of median, for example), but still.  The guy who announces that there'll be no COLA year after year takes in a cool half-mill and has expensive perks out the yin-yang.  They've no excuse, so they'll continue to get what they pay for.  With all the extra hours I put in putting out fires, they're still getting a huge bargain no matter how much I post here.

I don't think I said I was hard working.  I just have a rather particular set of skills.


Liam?  Is that you?
 
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