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(Washington Post)   Good: The population in Best Korea's gulags has dropped. Bad: Because they got better at killing the prisoners   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 40
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2013-09-13 08:36:41 AM
See Shin In Guen's testimony if you want to know what it's really like in there.  Horrifying beyond belief.
 
2013-09-13 09:25:00 AM
I'm willing to bet that the sweet release of death is preferable to the conditions of the labor camps.
 
2013-09-13 09:32:27 AM

scottydoesntknow: I'm willing to bet that the sweet release of death is preferable to the conditions of the labor camps.


The worst camps, yes.  The "re-education" camps are just your basic forced-labor gulags, but the "total control" ones, the ones that people aren't meant to ever escape from, the ones where some prisoners are born and live out their entire lives, well the stories are out there.  Being shot dead is probably preferable to being sent there.
 
2013-09-13 10:07:11 AM
They are really more concentration camps than gulags since BestKorea doesn't feed its prisoners, or anyone else really.
 
2013-09-13 10:15:40 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: They are really more concentration camps than gulags since BestKorea doesn't feed its prisoners, or anyone else really.


The whole damn country is basically a concentration camp at this point.
 
2013-09-13 10:18:38 AM
I wonder if they asked the Germans about how to deal with their problems. They're EXPERTS in the field of population control.
 
2013-09-13 10:20:09 AM
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2013-09-13 10:20:52 AM
So Best Korea releases people from these camps and you capitalistic pigs still complain?  Typical.
 
2013-09-13 10:23:20 AM
Did they use chemical weapons? No? Nothing to see here, move along
 
2013-09-13 10:28:23 AM
Still amateurs compared to you know who.

/does this still count as a Godwin?
 
2013-09-13 10:28:55 AM

Gleeman: Still amateurs compared to you know who.

/does this still count as a Godwin?


China?
 
2013-09-13 10:33:36 AM
How does one get better at killing? People perfected the whole 'making somebody dead on purpose' thing a long time ago.
 
2013-09-13 11:13:49 AM

Gleeman: Still amateurs compared to you know who.

/does this still count as a Godwin?


Da, comrade!

www.opednews.com
 
2013-09-13 11:14:41 AM

nekom: See Shin In Guen's testimony if you want to know what it's really like in there.  Horrifying beyond belief.


Jaw > Floor

We may have a genuine problem with general apathy towards the poor, but the shiat that communists actively inflict on such a large portion of their population... inhuman.
 
2013-09-13 11:54:57 AM

nekom: See Shin In Guen's testimony if you want to know what it's really like in there.  Horrifying beyond belief.


His interview book on his life in the camps.

I have read thousands of books in my life, including ones on the German death camps in WW2 and the Leupold regime in Central West Africa. This was the only one that made me physically ill during the reading.
 
2013-09-13 12:03:39 PM
Oh puh-LEASE!!!  I'm sure Dennis Rodman is at this very moment coming up with several good reasons why this story is bullsh*t.  Just wait, he'll be releasing his well considered opinions to the press any second now......any second now....
 
2013-09-13 12:05:14 PM

BigNumber12: nekom: See Shin In Guen's testimony if you want to know what it's really like in there.  Horrifying beyond belief.

Jaw > Floor

We may have a genuine problem with general apathy towards the poor, but the shiat that communists actively inflict on such a large portion of their population... inhuman.


Its a cultural problem Asia (Japan, maybe S Korea are the exceptions). The idea that an individual has no inherent worth beyond their utility to someone else. Therefore when a person is deemed "useless" by the people in charge that person is no longer considered to be a human being. Once that happens there are no longer any moral considerations in dealing with the undesirables, only utilitarian ones.
 
2013-09-13 12:13:33 PM
Some day future generations will look at the developed nations of the world today and hold us accountable for witnessing horrors like this, both in NK and in other nations, yet doing nothing... all because we were afraid of the few years of economic stress caused by freeing so many mistreated civilians from their despicable and rotten communist dictator regime and don't want to rock the economic boat with our favorite trading partner, China.

If the UN were serious about human rights, the 63-year-old war on that peninsula would end under the millions-strong force of 20+ nations eradicating the Kim leadership and flooding the country with aid. But then again, we're talking about the UN.

On smaller scale, its like living next to somebody who routinely beats the crap out of their spouse, yet you do nothing about it since that neighbor is friends with a psycho the next door down who'll trash your car and stop selling you weed if you intervene. If one or two people come by and say "stop" they're ignored... but if the whole neighborhood comes over and kicks down the door to haul the prick off to the police, the psycho ain't gonna say shiat.
 
2013-09-13 12:30:26 PM

Joe Blowme: Did they use chemical weapons? No? Nothing to see here, move along


I was actually just thinking about that. The manner of killing should make no difference if one really believes in the "Sanctity of Life."

It doesn't make me think we should invade N. Korea. The rest of my obvious conclusion is left as an exercise for the reader.

I'm also pretty confident that Joe Blowme and I rarely have overlapping opinions, so I've got that going for me now.
 
2013-09-13 12:37:06 PM
I wish the US would hurry up and figure out that NK has a lot of oil so that they might do something to help "liberate" the people of NK.

I guess that promise of "Never again" only counts as bumper sticker slogans and re hashing of WW 2 movies each year and not actually doing something about current genocides and dictators.
 
2013-09-13 12:46:30 PM

Wolf892: I wish the US would hurry up and figure out that NK has a lot of oil so that they might do something to help "liberate" the people of NK.

I guess that promise of "Never again" only counts as bumper sticker slogans and re hashing of WW 2 movies each year and not actually doing something about current genocides and dictators.


Will never happen because China. NK is basically a proxy state that exists because of them at the current time, and the only reason for that is they don't want a unified Korea bordering them, as well as keeping millions of starving NorKs from crashing the economy in that region.
 
2013-09-13 01:00:17 PM

hardinparamedic: Wolf892: I wish the US would hurry up and figure out that NK has a lot of oil so that they might do something to help "liberate" the people of NK.

I guess that promise of "Never again" only counts as bumper sticker slogans and re hashing of WW 2 movies each year and not actually doing something about current genocides and dictators.

Will never happen because China. NK is basically a proxy state that exists because of them at the current time, and the only reason for that is they don't want a unified Korea bordering them, as well as keeping millions of starving NorKs from crashing the economy in that region.


I know...I just hate the fact that these kinds of atrocities are happening in our modern age. It's ridiculous that they can get away with that.
 
2013-09-13 01:12:58 PM

hardinparamedic: Wolf892: I wish the US would hurry up and figure out that NK has a lot of oil so that they might do something to help "liberate" the people of NK.

I guess that promise of "Never again" only counts as bumper sticker slogans and re hashing of WW 2 movies each year and not actually doing something about current genocides and dictators.

Will never happen because China. NK is basically a proxy state that exists because of them at the current time, and the only reason for that is they don't want a unified Korea bordering them, as well as keeping millions of starving NorKs from crashing the economy in that region.


The latter makes sense, who would want to absorb all that mess?  But as for the former, why would worst Korea be a threat to China?  Say for the sake of argument they unified under the south, now granted worst Korea may not actually WANT that, but let's say they brought them up to par with the whole modern world and all.  That gives China a non-hostile, militarily insignificant (compared to China, especially given that the US would bugger out of there) potential trading partner.  What's not to like?  I don't get this "buffer" theory, what does China have to gain by having a backwards dictatorship on their border as opposed to a modern industrial powerhouse?
 
2013-09-13 01:16:17 PM

nekom: The latter makes sense, who would want to absorb all that mess?  But as for the former, why would worst Korea be a threat to China?  Say for the sake of argument they unified under the south, now granted worst Korea may not actually WANT that, but let's say they brought them up to par with the whole modern world and all.  That gives China a non-hostile, militarily insignificant (compared to China, especially given that the US would bugger out of there) potential trading partner.  What's not to like?  I don't get this "buffer" theory, what does China have to gain by having a backwards dictatorship on their border as opposed to a modern industrial powerhouse?


Don't think militarily. Think culture.
 
2013-09-13 02:02:16 PM
And yet nobody complains about the death penalty here in the us
 
2013-09-13 02:25:19 PM
hardinparamedic:

nekom
: The latter makes sense, who would want to absorb all that mess?  But as for the former, why would worst Korea be a threat to China?  Say for the sake of argument they unified under the south, now granted worst Korea may not actually WANT that, but let's say they brought them up to par with the whole modern world and all.  That gives China a non-hostile, militarily insignificant (compared to China, especially given that the US would bugger out of there) potential trading partner.  What's not to like?  I don't get this "buffer" theory, what does China have to gain by having a backwards dictatorship on their border as opposed to a modern industrial powerhouse?

Don't think militarily. Think culture.


Think economics and politics as well.  A unified Korea would be a competitor in terms of business and trade.  A unified Korea probably will be a democracy (South Korea is) and also pro-US, hence another headache for Beijing.  Certainly there are some factors that favor China in your scenario - less craziness dealing with the DPRK regime and less chance of a refugee situation, but frankly, China just wants the status quo situation to continue indefinetly if it can help it.
 
2013-09-13 02:43:45 PM

Warlordtrooper: And yet nobody complains about the death penalty here in the us


I am opposed to the death penalty here, but you can hardly compare the lawful execution of a convicted criminal after a fair public trial and a lengthy appeals process with someone being sent to a death camp because their mother complained about the rations.

Three generations of punishment.  They'll send your parents and your children to camps too.
 
2013-09-13 05:49:09 PM

Seraphym: Some day future generations will look at the developed nations of the world today and hold us accountable for witnessing horrors like this, both in NK and in other nations, yet doing nothing... all because we were afraid of the few years of economic stress caused by freeing so many mistreated civilians from their despicable and rotten communist dictator regime and don't want to rock the economic boat with our favorite trading partner, China.

If the UN were serious about human rights, the 63-year-old war on that peninsula would end under the millions-strong force of 20+ nations eradicating the Kim leadership and flooding the country with aid. But then again, we're talking about the UN.

On smaller scale, its like living next to somebody who routinely beats the crap out of their spouse, yet you do nothing about it since that neighbor is friends with a psycho the next door down who'll trash your car and stop selling you weed if you intervene. If one or two people come by and say "stop" they're ignored... but if the whole neighborhood comes over and kicks down the door to haul the prick off to the police, the psycho ain't gonna say shiat.


We have the largest prison population in the world (both by numbers and by percentage).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

North Korea is farked up because of US. We divided the country up and then decided to fight a proxy war there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

I like your sentiment and motive but military action only messes things up worse.
China is rewriting the book on economic success even with a communist-like government structure. Maybe it will rub off on the now former-soviet modeled countries and find their own economic success and prosperity. But, then they will take our jerbs.
 
2013-09-13 06:18:59 PM

mr0x: China is rewriting the book on economic success even with a communist-like government structure.


Uh no. China is experiencing "economic success"  with a caveat. They are doing so whilee destroying their environment, dealing with crippling issues involving feeding, employing and educating their population of overwhelmingly unmarried young males (IIRC, like 10:1 Male to Female population ratio), as well as dealing with MASSIVE corruption in all levels of Government.

Outside of the large cities, there is still very much an atmosphere of party members taking advantage of the lower class and peasantry there.
 
2013-09-13 06:39:27 PM

hardinparamedic: mr0x: China is rewriting the book on economic success even with a communist-like government structure.

Uh no. China is experiencing "economic success"  with a caveat. They are doing so whilee destroying their environment, dealing with crippling issues involving feeding, employing and educating their population of overwhelmingly unmarried young males (IIRC, like 10:1 Male to Female population ratio), as well as dealing with MASSIVE corruption in all levels of Government.

Outside of the large cities, there is still very much an atmosphere of party members taking advantage of the lower class and peasantry there.


LOLWUT? 10:1? More like 1.1333:1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio

I know farkers hate the Chinese. But, you're probably typing on a Chinese keyboard on a Chinese furniture wearing clothes made from Chinese garment.
Like it or not, the Chinese economy has a large influence on your life.

Besides that, education, nutrition and corruption aren't a uniquely Chinese problems. We have our own battles here with them.
 
2013-09-13 06:46:57 PM

hardinparamedic: overwhelmingly unmarried young males


Also, here in the US, half of the adult population is not married.
http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/facts_for_features_ sp ecial_editions/cb12-ff18.html

Child support and divorce laws are scaring away males with significant income from getting married
And, If you're poor, then marrying removes using lots of welfare aimed at single mothers.
 
2013-09-13 06:50:57 PM

mr0x: LOLWUT? 10:1? More like 1.1333:1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio


You're right. Thanks for correcting me. However, 30 million more men than women entering adulthood in China is nothing to balk at.

mr0x: I know farkers hate the Chinese. But, you're probably typing on a Chinese keyboard on a Chinese furniture wearing clothes made from Chinese garment.
Like it or not, the Chinese economy has a large influence on your life.


No, most FARKers do not hate the  Chinese. They hate the  Chinese Government.

mr0x: Besides that, education, nutrition and corruption aren't a uniquely Chinese problems. We have our own battles here with them.


Our battles here don't cause people to get carted off and disappeared when they get too vocal.
 
2013-09-13 07:29:39 PM

Seraphym: Some day future generations will look at the developed nations of the world today and hold us accountable for witnessing horrors like this, both in NK and in other nations, yet doing nothing... all because we were afraid of the few years of economic stress caused by freeing so many mistreated civilians from their despicable and rotten communist dictator regime and don't want to rock the economic boat with our favorite trading partner, China.

If the UN were serious about human rights, the 63-year-old war on that peninsula would end under the millions-strong force of 20+ nations eradicating the Kim leadership and flooding the country with aid. But then again, we're talking about the UN.

On smaller scale, its like living next to somebody who routinely beats the crap out of their spouse, yet you do nothing about it since that neighbor is friends with a psycho the next door down who'll trash your car and stop selling you weed if you intervene. If one or two people come by and say "stop" they're ignored... but if the whole neighborhood comes over and kicks down the door to haul the prick off to the police, the psycho ain't gonna say shiat.


This! Well said!
 
2013-09-13 07:40:31 PM

hardinparamedic: No, most FARKers do not hate the Chinese. They hate the Chinese Government.


Sure.

hardinparamedic: Our battles here don't cause people to get carted off and disappeared when they get too vocal.


Here, the "crime" is drugs. Get caught doing drugs and you can suffer fate worse than murderers.
 
2013-09-13 08:30:59 PM

mr0x: Get caught doing drugs and you can suffer fate worse than murderers.


fc09.deviantart.net
I didn't know they shot you in the back of the head and harvested your organs for the highest bidder if you were caught "doing drugs" (Hint: "Doing drugs" is not a crime. It's possession, and in some states, certain drugs are legal now. And rightfully so)
 
2013-09-13 10:59:18 PM
Mr0x:  mr0x: China is rewriting the book on economic success even with a communist-like government structure.

Uh no. China is experiencing "economic success"  with a caveat. They are doing so whilee destroying their environment, dealing with crippling issues involving feeding, employing and educating their population of overwhelmingly unmarried young males (IIRC, like 10:1 Male to Female population ratio), as well as dealing with MASSIVE corruption in all levels of Government.

Outside of the large cities, there is still very much an atmosphere of party members taking advantage of the lower class and peasantry there.


LOLWUT? 10:1? More like 1.1333:1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio

I know farkers hate the Chinese. But, you're probably typing on a Chinese keyboard on a Chinese furniture wearing clothes made from Chinese garment.
Like it or not, the Chinese economy has a large influence on your life.

Besides that, education, nutrition and corruption aren't a uniquely Chinese problems. We have our own battles here with them.



As someone who spent more than a few years living and working in China, your posts on China are easily the most stupid and simplistic posts ever written on this site.  Please stop.
 
2013-09-14 12:27:32 AM
The 2 Million Biker Ride through D.C. on Sept.11 didn't receive a permit for the ride.  They held the ride anyway, but had to stop for stoplights and didn't have streets blocked off for the ride.  Somehow or other, I doubt anyone could get away with anything like that in Beijing without a permit.
 
2013-09-14 04:18:04 AM

hardinparamedic: mr0x: Get caught doing drugs and you can suffer fate worse than murderers.

[fc09.deviantart.net image 750x600]
I didn't know they shot you in the back of the head and harvested your organs for the highest bidder if you were caught "doing drugs" (Hint: "Doing drugs" is not a crime. It's possession, and in some states, certain drugs are legal now. And rightfully so)


How are you going to do drugs without possessing them first?

Just rot in jail for decades getting ass-raped. Much preferable right?
 
2013-09-14 04:35:50 AM

SirEattonHogg: Mr0x:  mr0x: China is rewriting the book on economic success even with a communist-like government structure.

Uh no. China is experiencing "economic success"  with a caveat. They are doing so whilee destroying their environment, dealing with crippling issues involving feeding, employing and educating their population of overwhelmingly unmarried young males (IIRC, like 10:1 Male to Female population ratio), as well as dealing with MASSIVE corruption in all levels of Government.

Outside of the large cities, there is still very much an atmosphere of party members taking advantage of the lower class and peasantry there.

LOLWUT? 10:1? More like 1.1333:1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio

I know farkers hate the Chinese. But, you're probably typing on a Chinese keyboard on a Chinese furniture wearing clothes made from Chinese garment.
Like it or not, the Chinese economy has a large influence on your life.

Besides that, education, nutrition and corruption aren't a uniquely Chinese problems. We have our own battles here with them.


As someone who spent more than a few years living and working in China, your posts on China are easily the most stupid and simplistic posts ever written on this site.  Please stop.


Been there quite a few times. I was recently there and HK for about a year as well. But, living/working in China doesn't gives you god like perspective.
 
2013-09-14 03:55:23 PM

mr0x: hardinparamedic: mr0x: Get caught doing drugs and you can suffer fate worse than murderers.

[fc09.deviantart.net image 750x600]
I didn't know they shot you in the back of the head and harvested your organs for the highest bidder if you were caught "doing drugs" (Hint: "Doing drugs" is not a crime. It's possession, and in some states, certain drugs are legal now. And rightfully so)

How are you going to do drugs without possessing them first?

Just rot in jail for decades getting ass-raped. Much preferable right?


If you can find someone that rotted in jail for decades for being seen smoking weed, I'd like to see it.  People are more willing to entertain your argument if you don't make extreme, exaggerated claims.
 
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