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(Think Progress)   Louis Farrakhan thinks George Zimmerman is a "ticking time bomb" and "another Sandy Hook" waiting to happen. And by Louis Farrakhan I mean Lake Mary Police Chief Steve Bracknell   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 108
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2013-09-13 12:39:19 AM
Somehow I doubt that Chief Bracknell is the only person who recognizes that it's not a matter of "IF" Zimmerman snaps like a dry twig under the tyre of a semi, but "WHEN."
 
2013-09-13 01:05:24 AM
Countdown to teahadist outrage and backlash against Chief Bracknell for making an intelligent and well reasoned comment...
 
2013-09-13 01:11:22 AM
No shiat.
 
2013-09-13 02:17:53 AM
Yeah, he may be. Unfortunately half his gun-toting paranoia is now justified thanks to the media-driven race-baiting calls for his head.

He's still a piece of shiat for instigating the whole thing.


/DRINK
 
2013-09-13 03:38:05 AM
And his eyes are too close together. That's usually not a good sign.
 
2013-09-13 03:46:49 AM

violentsalvation: Unfortunately half his gun-toting paranoia is now justified


He doesn't seem paranoid though. Telling the cop that pulled him over "you know who I am?". Touring the manufacturing site for the gun he used to shoot Martin. Blowing up at his soon to be ex wife and putting the gun in his vehicle.

All the signs of a man who thinks he can't be touched, not a paranoid person.
 
2013-09-13 07:25:01 AM
Don't you libertards understand? He's showin' us the way.
 
2013-09-13 08:00:58 AM
I bet someone is going to mind if he kills a white boy this time.
 
2013-09-13 08:32:55 AM
Zimmerman is going to go down for domestic violence or in a road rage incident eventually. It's just a matter of time.
 
2013-09-13 08:34:50 AM

violentsalvation: DRINK


MAKE IT STOP!

Seriously, I still haven't replenished my gin from the last Zimmerman thread.
 
2013-09-13 08:47:31 AM
www.maniacworld.com

LEAVE GEORGE ALONE
 
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2013-09-13 08:47:57 AM
I thought he was just the sort of patriot the founding fathers wanted to have a gun so they could fight the gubmint and protect us from tyranny?
 
2013-09-13 08:51:06 AM
Here's all you need to know about his mental state:  He's still in Florida.  Why in the everloving fark hasn't he left the country, or at LEAST the state by now?  Change his name, dye his hair, etc.  That alone tells me he has poor judgment.
 
2013-09-13 09:04:03 AM

nekom: Here's all you need to know about his mental state:  He's still in Florida.  Why in the everloving fark hasn't he left the country, or at LEAST the state by now?  Change his name, dye his hair, etc.  That alone tells me he has poor judgment.


Because he lives there.

I didn't leave NYS when they passed that draconian NYS SAFE Act in the middle of the farkin' night with no chance for public comment, did I?

Normal, non-homeless people have roots in communities, and it's hard to uproot yourself from them.  Even if you really, really want to, it doesn't happen overnight.
 
2013-09-13 09:06:19 AM
dittybopper:
Because he lives there.

I didn't leave NYS when they passed that draconian NYS SAFE Act in the middle of the farkin' night with no chance for public comment, did I?

Normal, non-homeless people have roots in communities, and it's hard to uproot yourself from them.  Even if you really, really want to, it doesn't happen overnight.


I get that, and I would have a hard time convincing myself to ever move for those reasons, but if I had generated that level of negative publicity, I'm pretty sure I'd be carting my arse out of town ASAP.  When you're making the headlines every time you buy a gun or get pulled over for speeding, it's time to work a bit harder on that whole "low profile" thing.  Just my two cents.
 
2013-09-13 09:23:37 AM
A paranoid Lindsay Lohan with anger issues.
 
2013-09-13 09:25:49 AM
Thanks, Captain Obvious.
This is why he should be in prison.
He's a murderer with emotional disorders.
 
2013-09-13 09:25:51 AM

mediablitz: Telling the cop that pulled him over "you know who I am?". Touring the manufacturing site for the gun he used to shoot Martin. Blowing up at his soon to be ex wife and putting the gun in his vehicle.


Interestingly enough, not all of those are things that actually happened.  If yall keep prophesying that he's going to go crazy, you might just convince him to do so.

Here's the thing: Zimmerman isn't some lunatic who just got off on a technicality, he was legally justified in killing Martin at the time and manner in which he did so. Despite what the media loved to talk about, there is no substantial evidence that he is violent, racist, or mentally unbalanced. If there was, it would have been brought up in the trial and used to support the prosecution's case that he is exactly that.

I'm not saying that you need to like or trust the guy, but making up things isn't helping the discussion.
 
2013-09-13 09:26:15 AM
What a responsible thing to say, chief.
 
2013-09-13 09:26:52 AM

King Something: Somehow I doubt that Chief Bracknell is the only person who recognizes that it's not a matter of "IF" Zimmerman snaps like a dry twig under the tyre of a semi, but "WHEN."


How much of that is because he is under as much scrutiny of his actions as the President, without the support staff and perks?

Don't forget, this would have been no different than any of the other hundreds of self-defense killings that happen every year were it not for Martin's parents hiring a publicist to make it a national news story, and for his parents, their lawyer, and the publicist to actively lie about the circumstances.

Perfect example:  They had recent pictures of Trayvon Martin.  Why not give those to the media instead of the one of him as a cherubic 12 year old boy?

Even I fell for it at first, to a degree.  In my first public comment on the case I said it sounded like a case of "death by Mall Ninja".  Hardly a fan of George Zimmerman out of the gate.

But as the evidence built up, and all the substantive statements by the family and their lawyers were shown to either be false, or a severe distortion of the truth, well, only the most closed-minded individuals who made up their minds early without listening to both sides could possibly think that it wasn't self-defense.

I understand the motivations of the parents:  They lost a son.  It's hard to admit that your child might have had a hand in his own demise, because a large amount of your own self-worth is wrapped up in your children.  But it's also true that violent criminals have parents who love them, and who think the are, at heart, good people.  It's almost a cliche to hear of a person killed because of some drug deal gone bad, or gang violence, and the relatives saying "he was a good boy, he just got caught up in a bad crowd".

It makes it easier to swallow that bitter, bitter pill.

So where does that leave us?  With George Zimmerman under a microscope that I don't think most of us would do well under.  Why is his wife divorcing him?  Probably because of the tensions related to the case.  Plus, she out-and-out committed perjury, and she probably blames him for putting her in that position.  It's entirely possible that had this not become a national news story, they wouldn't be getting a divorce.

So keep the pressure on him, until he finally does snap.  Then you have a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Or, we could just learn the lessons here, move on, and leave Zimmerman alone unless he does something actually *NEWSWORTHY* (like get involved in another shooting or something like that).  Speeding ticket?  Who the fark cares?  Tours a gun factory?  Who the fark cares?  Argument with his wife because of a divorce?  Who the fark cares?  Hell, my neighbor up the street is getting a divorce.  That's their business, not mine.  Only time I'll give a shiat is if one or the other physically hurts the other person.
 
2013-09-13 09:28:44 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: Don't you libertards understand? He's showin' us the way.


The way home? Is he tired, and does he want to go to bed?
 
2013-09-13 09:28:46 AM
LOL when the domestic first came out about George pulling a gun, I knew it had to be the drama queen who said something.
What happened? HE didnt pull a gun? ohh in fact he didnt even HAVE His gun (it was tucked under the floor board of his truck)

turns out he's banging some hot blonde ass and his wife is all drama queen about it. Silly assholes want to make something more from nothing. Get over it he's not guilty.
 
2013-09-13 09:30:44 AM
He is known to stalk young people.

Hide yo kids
 
2013-09-13 09:30:46 AM
Maybe, but it doesn't matter. The foundation of justice is that you do your absolute best to punish people only for things they did; you conscientiously avoid punishing people for things they didn't do, and you don't even try to punish people for things they might do.

This nation has not always had the greatest of track records on the last of these; for a particularly infamous example, consider the Japanese internment camps of World War II. But it has to stop, and it has to stop utterly.
 
2013-09-13 09:30:49 AM

nekom: dittybopper:
Because he lives there.

I didn't leave NYS when they passed that draconian NYS SAFE Act in the middle of the farkin' night with no chance for public comment, did I?

Normal, non-homeless people have roots in communities, and it's hard to uproot yourself from them.  Even if you really, really want to, it doesn't happen overnight.

I get that, and I would have a hard time convincing myself to ever move for those reasons, but if I had generated that level of negative publicity, I'm pretty sure I'd be carting my arse out of town ASAP.  When you're making the headlines every time you buy a gun or get pulled over for speeding, it's time to work a bit harder on that whole "low profile" thing.  Just my two cents.


The problem is that it's a national story.  Short of leaving the country, it doesn't matter where he goes.  The national media will be on him like white on rice.   So in a sense, even if he does pull up stakes and go somewhere else, it's not going to help him any.  Plus, he's got a support mechanism in family and friends in that area, something he wouldn't have elsewhere.

So why leave if the only effect is to separate you from your support mechanism, without granting you anonymity?
 
2013-09-13 09:31:39 AM

mediablitz: violentsalvation: Unfortunately half his gun-toting paranoia is now justified

He doesn't seem paranoid though. Telling the cop that pulled him over "you know who I am?". Touring the manufacturing site for the gun he used to shoot Martin. Blowing up at his soon to be ex wife and putting the gun in his vehicle.

All the signs of a man who thinks he can't be touched, not a paranoid person.


The first two/three appear to be the actions of a man who thinks he can't be touched.  The second two, not so much.  Given what happened to him, stress is probably a major factor in his life.  He's had numerous death threats made against him yet somehow people don't "get" that he has a gun with him?  Probably same thing with the breakup of his marriage.

People all over the US (world) what him dead and have announced it publicly - I'm sure the stress of that hasn't affected him all.
 
2013-09-13 09:31:41 AM
The law that protected Zimmy from jail should worry people more than ZImmy.
 
2013-09-13 09:31:55 AM

nekom: dittybopper:
Because he lives there.

I didn't leave NYS when they passed that draconian NYS SAFE Act in the middle of the farkin' night with no chance for public comment, did I?

Normal, non-homeless people have roots in communities, and it's hard to uproot yourself from them.  Even if you really, really want to, it doesn't happen overnight.

I get that, and I would have a hard time convincing myself to ever move for those reasons, but if I had generated that level of negative publicity, I'm pretty sure I'd be carting my arse out of town ASAP.  When you're making the headlines every time you buy a gun or get pulled over for speeding, it's time to work a bit harder on that whole "low profile" thing.  Just my two cents.


I read 'I Wear The Black Hat' recently, which was a weird look at villainy in society and it had an entire chapter on OJ that was pretty fascinating and very parallel to Zimmerman.  He was found not guilty and let out to do his own thing.  So what is that?  Either he gets the fark out of Dodge and lays low to let the situation chill out, as a lot of people told him to do, or he goes and does what he has every legal right to do, which is live his life as close to what he was accustomed to before the murder.  Even his lawyers told OJ to do the former, even though ironically that's exactly the sort of thing that makes you look like you were actually guilty whether or not you were.  It's what society tends to demand, no matter the facts of the case.  OJ, as we know, went right back to golfing.  He wasn't guilty, therefore, he was entitled to his life back.

That made him look like a giant asshole.  That solidified him as a villain in people's minds, right or wrong, because we're collectively weird about this sort of thing.  And then he wrote 'If I Did It.'  Holy shiatsnacks.

So I really don't know what Zimmerman's supposed to do.  Like OJ, he's completely farked in people's minds either way.  But I can't wait him to write a book.
 
2013-09-13 09:33:21 AM

mediablitz: violentsalvation: Unfortunately half his gun-toting paranoia is now justified

He doesn't seem paranoid though. Telling the cop that pulled him over "you know who I am?". Touring the manufacturing site for the gun he used to shoot Martin. Blowing up at his soon to be ex wife and putting the gun in his vehicle.

All the signs of a man who thinks he can't be touched, not a paranoid person.


Exactly. He also seems to be willing to provoke confrontations. He showed up at the ex-wifes house with the (presumably) current girlfriend in tow, who also was his girlfriend before he got married. That's a dick move of the highest order.
 
2013-09-13 09:35:24 AM

mediablitz: Telling the cop that pulled him over "you know who I am?"


I'd like to think that the cop responded "Have you ever read FARK.COM? Do you KNOW what Florida Cops can do to you and get away with?"
 
2013-09-13 09:35:47 AM
realizethelies.files.wordpress.com

So, we lock him up because the police chief doesn't like the cut of his jib?
 
2013-09-13 09:36:46 AM

fireclown: [realizethelies.files.wordpress.com image 200x226]

So, we lock him up because the police chief doesn't like the cut of his jib?


You do realize the concept of "pre-crime" as Dick imagined it in his novels, as well as in the Tom Cruise snoozefest depends on the existance of branching timelines and a whole timey-wimey ball?
 
2013-09-13 09:39:12 AM

dittybopper: So keep the pressure on him, until he finally does snap. Then you have a self-fulfilling prophecy.


Eventually given enough pressure, people will begin to act like the person you treat them as.
 
2013-09-13 09:40:30 AM

Farkage: dittybopper: So keep the pressure on him, until he finally does snap. Then you have a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Eventually given enough pressure, people will begin to act like the person you treat them as.


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Corn harvest will be extra-nice this time next year.
 
2013-09-13 09:40:44 AM
fireclown

realizethelies.files.wordpress.com

So, we lock him up because the police chief doesn't like the cut of his jib?

The left has always supported the incarceration and murder of people over thought crimes.
 
2013-09-13 09:41:18 AM
You guys wouldn't be all up in his grill if he had similarly exercised his First Amendment rights, would you? Or his Third? Or his 26th?

Hypocrites.
 
2013-09-13 09:41:27 AM

GurneyHalleck: The law that protected Zimmy from jail should worry people more than ZImmy.


The People that convicted him before hearing any evidence and then after they did still only believe their own facts because it fits their preconceived judgment (MSNBC, farkers etc..) should worry people more than ZImmy.

FTFY
 
2013-09-13 09:42:38 AM

OnlyM3: The left has always supported the incarceration and murder of people over thought crimes.


Remind me, again, which political spectrum in the United States has been traditionally associated with censorship and persecution of groups with unpopular opinions or differing sociopolitical or religious beliefs? Especially which groups tended to use labels like "homosexual" or "communist" for people who called them out or disagreed with them?
 
2013-09-13 09:43:59 AM
Once you get away with murder, you develop a taste for it.
 
2013-09-13 09:44:41 AM

HotWingConspiracy: He is known to stalk young people.

Hide yo kids


Meh.   My kid is a better shot than he is.
 
2013-09-13 09:45:59 AM
Can some FARK lawyers explain something to me (or try to)?

The press is making a big deal of the fact that Zim's lawyer during the trial, O'Mara is not representing Zim on his divorce or in this recent incident but will represent Zim on future legal matters (appeals) relating to the shooting.

Note the URL: Lawyer Quits

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-lawyer-quits/story?id=202 12 533

i.imgur.com

Is this actually the big deal ABC/RawStory/Everyone makes it out to be?

I would not have expected O'Mara to deal with the couple's divorce, and I would expect Zimmerman's divorce lawyer to handle this recent incident, and still O'Mara is representing Zimmerman in the suit against NBC.
 
2013-09-13 09:46:39 AM

hardinparamedic: OnlyM3: The left has always supported the incarceration and murder of people over thought crimes.

Remind me, again, which political spectrum in the United States World has been traditionally associated with censorship and persecution of groups with unpopular opinions or differing sociopolitical or religious beliefs? Especially which groups tended to use labels like "homosexual" or "communist" for people who called them out or disagreed with them?


Why limit yourself?
 
2013-09-13 09:47:14 AM

nekom: dittybopper:
Because he lives there.

I didn't leave NYS when they passed that draconian NYS SAFE Act in the middle of the farkin' night with no chance for public comment, did I?

Normal, non-homeless people have roots in communities, and it's hard to uproot yourself from them.  Even if you really, really want to, it doesn't happen overnight.

I get that, and I would have a hard time convincing myself to ever move for those reasons, but if I had generated that level of negative publicity, I'm pretty sure I'd be carting my arse out of town ASAP.  When you're making the headlines every time you buy a gun or get pulled over for speeding, it's time to work a bit harder on that whole "low profile" thing.  Just my two cents.


This. If Zimmerman had an ounce of functioning brain matter, he'd:

(1) change his name,
(2) move to Alaska, and
(3) live out the rest of his days quietly and outside of the public eye.
 
2013-09-13 09:48:42 AM

dittybopper: Why limit yourself?


Because what resembles "Right" politics, especially based in religion and race in the United States are seen at both ends of the political extremes spectrum when talking about European countries.

It's more factually appropriate to this discussion.
 
2013-09-13 09:49:37 AM
Misconduc

Is English your  third language?
 
2013-09-13 09:49:59 AM

GurneyHalleck: The law that protected Zimmy from jail should worry people more than ZImmy.


Zimmerman was found not guilty based on traditional self-defense arguments. No SYG hearing was ever performed or even requested, and the law was never mentioned during the trial. One juror mentioned it later, but if it actually played any significant role in their deliberations, then that was an error on their part (you're not supposed to bring in laws that weren't brought up at trial; it is the job of the lawyers to cover the relevant laws in their arguments).
 
2013-09-13 09:50:00 AM

RoyBatty: I would not have expected O'Mara to deal with the couple's divorce, and I would expect Zimmerman's divorce lawyer to handle this recent incident, and still O'Mara is representing Zimmerman in the suit against NBC.


O'Mara isn't a divorce lawyer.

You wouldn't want a divorce lawyer, or one who specialized in things like bankruptcy or personal injury lawsuits to represent you in a criminal case, would you?

So why would we expect the opposite to be true?
 
2013-09-13 09:52:47 AM

dittybopper: RoyBatty: I would not have expected O'Mara to deal with the couple's divorce, and I would expect Zimmerman's divorce lawyer to handle this recent incident, and still O'Mara is representing Zimmerman in the suit against NBC.

O'Mara isn't a divorce lawyer.

You wouldn't want a divorce lawyer, or one who specialized in things like bankruptcy or personal injury lawsuits to represent you in a criminal case, would you?

So why would we expect the opposite to be true?


I dunno. With little experience, I sort of think that divorce lawyers are a jack of all trades, especially when it comes to defending against TROs and accusations of domestic violence that occur during the divorce.

I can see them saying for some instances, "get yourself a specialist in this", but for "my ex came over with a gun", I would expect most divorce lawyers with most clients (ie not terribly wealthy clients) to be handling that.

I am neither a lawyer, nor have ever had criminal charges pressed against me, so I truly have no experience.
 
2013-09-13 09:53:10 AM

dittybopper: O'Mara isn't a divorce lawyer.


As I understand it, O'Mara isn't exactly happy with his client at this point and time, either.
 
2013-09-13 09:54:52 AM

RoyBatty: I can see them saying for some instances, "get yourself a specialist in this", but for "my ex came over with a gun", I would expect most divorce lawyers with most clients (ie not terribly wealthy clients) to be handling that.


You'd think it would be cut and dry, but it's not. One of the Respiratory Therapists I work with on transport has a brother who is a lawyer in medical malpractice law. I actually talked to him when going through my divorce, and his advice was to get a lawyer who specializes exclusively in that sort of thing.

Divorce, depending on your socioeconomic status and presence of children, can be INCREDIBLY complicated. And it's very, VERY easy to get screwed over.
 
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