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(Science Daily)   Kids more likely to be bullied at schools with anti-bullying programs   (sciencedaily.com) divider line 142
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2013-09-13 12:17:05 AM
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2013-09-13 12:17:27 AM
It's not the school fault, those stupid little pussies make it so easy.
 
2013-09-13 12:17:56 AM
Has anyone read the study? Isn't this just a case of backwards causation?
 
2013-09-13 12:17:59 AM
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2013-09-13 12:19:11 AM
Yeah, it's also ironic how cancer centers have a lot of patients with cancer
 
2013-09-13 12:21:01 AM
Ironic? Apparently the "Obvious" tag was busy getting beaten up in the locker room.

Those anti-bullying campaigns are fairy-dust. They're completely full of shiat, ignore fundamental aspects of human nature, and are halfheartedly spoonfed to kids who know it's complete BS, by teachers who know it's complete BS.
 
2013-09-13 12:22:23 AM

dv-ous: Those anti-bullying campaigns are fairy-dust.


Fairy dust would get your ass kicked at my school.
 
2013-09-13 12:22:25 AM
Watch the video for the song ' waking the demon'. Then, imagine that instead of turning into a werewolf the kid just puts on a ski mask and breaks the bully's face with a bat. That's the only real solution.

You are smarter than the bully. Plan it correctly, take your time, know the moment when the bully is vulnerable, givethem a t
 
2013-09-13 12:22:37 AM
This guy guy will take care of your bully problems.
 
2013-09-13 12:22:52 AM
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2013-09-13 12:23:48 AM
Wouldn't it stand to reason that they've instigated anti-bullying programs because bullying was such a problem? The other schools didn't, because there wasn't a problem to begin with?

/Tired.
 
2013-09-13 12:24:10 AM
* Give them a trip to the hospital.


/It's the only way
 
2013-09-13 12:26:29 AM

BlousyBrown: This guy guy will take care of your bully problems.


I don't want help from guy guys.
 
2013-09-13 12:26:45 AM
Or maybe schools that have higher levels of bullying are more likely to have needed antibullying programs?
 
2013-09-13 12:28:16 AM
The solution to bullying is parenting. How about teach your kids not to be shiatheads to each other?
 
2013-09-13 12:30:18 AM

dv-ous: Ironic? Apparently the "Obvious" tag was busy getting beaten up in the locker room.

Those anti-bullying campaigns are fairy-dust. They're completely full of shiat, ignore fundamental aspects of human nature, and are halfheartedly spoonfed to kids who know it's complete BS, by teachers who know it's complete BS.


my baby brother, who's a sophomore now, is so proud of himself for letting the ... mentally challenged?... girl sit with them this week
he constantly brags about how awesome they all are for putting up with her outburts
it's a condescending type of forced PC-ness

they haven't learned any lessons, they've just learned the language.
little shiats.
 
2013-09-13 12:30:27 AM

Danger Avoid Death: BlousyBrown: This guy guy will take care of your bully problems.

I don't want help from guy guys.


Son of a... Proof read oh well.......
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2013-09-13 12:30:28 AM

dv-ous: Ironic? Apparently the "Obvious" tag was busy getting beaten up in the locker room.

Those anti-bullying campaigns are fairy-dust. They're completely full of shiat, ignore fundamental aspects of human nature, and are halfheartedly spoonfed to kids who know it's complete BS, by teachers who know it's complete BS.


Actually, talking to people fighitng, including bullies, works wonderfully.  The problem is to get most people who are fighting to talk, you need to take them to the ground and keep them there first.  They don't exacty teach that part.

/used to do that to bullies
//they seemed to be a lot of persecution complexes among them
///they eventually got better, and everyone forgave everyone else
 
2013-09-13 12:30:41 AM
I have my own anti-bullying campaign; I tell my kid to hit back, hit hard, and take the little shiat down. Get that out of the way now, when he's seven and unlikely to get in huge trouble for it and future issues should be few and far between. Standing up to a bully seems to create an invisible badge of confidence that wards others off.
 
2013-09-13 12:30:41 AM
And cancer leads to cellphones.
 
2013-09-13 12:31:42 AM

Danger Avoid Death: BlousyBrown: This guy guy will take care of your bully problems.

I don't want help from guy guys.


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2013-09-13 12:34:04 AM
Moonlightfox
The solution to bullying is parenting. How about teach your kids not to be shiatheads to each other?


How about teaching adults not to be shiatheads to each other?

I say we commit a genocide against jerks.
 
2013-09-13 12:34:09 AM
Needs "Stupid" tag.
 
2013-09-13 12:35:08 AM

Moonlightfox: The solution to bullying is parenting.


Wait, I thought the solution to parenting is bullying ...
 
2013-09-13 12:35:36 AM
I'm up to SNME #14 from 1/2/88
Then it's the 1988 Royal Rumble and Bunkhouse Stampede 1988.
I don't have time for TNA.
 
2013-09-13 12:36:59 AM

dv-ous: Ironic? Apparently the "Obvious" tag was busy getting beaten up in the locker room.

Those anti-bullying campaigns are fairy-dust. They're completely full of shiat, ignore fundamental aspects of human nature, and are halfheartedly spoonfed to kids who know it's complete BS, by teachers who know it's complete BS.


...and, therefore, they cause bullying. I can't argue with logic like that.
 
2013-09-13 12:37:30 AM

Prairie Phoenix: I'm up to SNME #14 from 1/2/88
Then it's the 1988 Royal Rumble and Bunkhouse Stampede 1988.
I don't have time for TNA.


GOD DAMMIT THATS WHAT I GET FOR HAVING MULTIPLE FARK TABS OPEN
 
2013-09-13 12:38:55 AM
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2013-09-13 12:39:49 AM

Prairie Phoenix: Prairie Phoenix: I'm up to SNME #14 from 1/2/88
Then it's the 1988 Royal Rumble and Bunkhouse Stampede 1988.
I don't have time for TNA.

GOD DAMMIT THATS WHAT I GET FOR HAVING MULTIPLE FARK TABS OPEN


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2013-09-13 12:41:38 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, it's also ironic how cancer centers have a lot of patients with cancer


Not ironic as kids spotting bullies after they are taught how to spot bullies.

Not even close to ironic as kids acting like bullies after adults bully them through the use of metal detectors and random locker searches.
 
2013-09-13 12:42:07 AM
I'll just state plainly what the wimpy bullied Farkers can't state plainly, but try: Correlation is not causation.
 
2013-09-13 12:42:47 AM
Curiously, neighborhoods with lots of cops have higher crime rates.
 
2013-09-13 12:44:31 AM
Maybe because schools with anti-bullying policies are stricter about reporting cases of it. Schools that don't care aren't gonna have a high number of cases because most will go unreported.
 
2013-09-13 12:44:53 AM

wiwille: Wouldn't it stand to reason that they've instigated anti-bullying programs because bullying was such a problem? The other schools didn't, because there wasn't a problem to begin with?

/Tired.


Or more victims of bullying come forward where a program is instituted which tells them how to deal with bullying.

Seriously, here's the HSBC form  that they've based the study on:
http://www.hbsc.org/documents/2005_06%20HBSC%20Mandatory%20Questionn ai re%20Variable%20List.pdf

The two questions that relate to bullying are "Have you been bullied in the past two months" and "Have you bullied others" - it doesn't appear that they actually define what "bullying" counts as, leaving it to the kid filling out the survey to decide what it means. If you'd been taught that name calling and social media attacks are also bullying you'd be more likely to mark the box than if you only thought that someone beating you up counted. I can't see the actual study, but if that's all they're basing it on, it might be something interesting to explore further, but it would be shoddy to infer that the programs themselves lead to more actual bullying (rather than just more percieved bullying) without further evidence.
 
2013-09-13 12:46:02 AM
 
2013-09-13 12:47:19 AM
Doesnt surprise me, school "anti this or that" campaigns suck so bad they make you want to do whatever they are preaching against.
 
2013-09-13 12:48:08 AM
The best solution to a bully problem is a fist. Whoop a bullies butt and they stop it.
 
2013-09-13 12:48:42 AM
Well, part of the problem too is that nowadays EVERYTHING bad that happens to a picked-upon child is de facto "bullying". Whether it's an actual sequence of deliberate incidents by another kid or group of kids meant to humiliate or demean that child...or a one-time episode of random name-calling; parents, teachers, administrators and other kids run shrieking: "IT WAS BULLYING!!!!"

And, there's no longer any attempt to let kids try to solve the problem themselves first. At the first hint of name calling or wedgie-making SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!!! which may or may not be warranted. Yes, intervention may be needed--but it may just make things that much worse for the picked-on kid, who is now seen as a weakling who can't even fight his/her own battles. Too many adult anti-bullying efforts seem to use a jackhammer when a scalpel is needed.

A bit like most of our efforts to fix anything really.
 
2013-09-13 12:48:45 AM

show me: I'll just state plainly what the wimpy bullied Farkers can't state plainly, but try: Correlation is not causation.


Thanks for the lesson. Now give me a wedgie and steal my lunch money to complete the whole experience.
 
2013-09-13 12:52:33 AM
Headline: Kids more likely to be bullied at schools with anti-bullying programs everywhere for all time.

FTFY
 
2013-09-13 12:54:20 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: The best solution to a bully problem is a fist. Whoop a bullies butt and they stop it.


I wouldn't really be into fisting a bully's butt, but thanks for the advice anyway.
 
2013-09-13 01:07:00 AM

wiwille: Wouldn't it stand to reason that they've instigated anti-bullying programs because bullying was such a problem? The other schools didn't, because there wasn't a problem to begin with?

/Tired.


Seems to me if you have a bullying problem at your school, you deal with the bully.

We try to educate bullies that bullying is wrong now?  They already know that.  Threatening and beating people up is wrong to EVERYONE who isn't a psychopath.

/ unless we are talking about "bullying" as people today use it, ("your are project sucked, Tommy)  Poor tommy, he is scarred for life from this bullying incident.
 
2013-09-13 01:07:27 AM

Prairie Phoenix: Prairie Phoenix: I'm up to SNME #14 from 1/2/88
Then it's the 1988 Royal Rumble and Bunkhouse Stampede 1988.
I don't have time for TNA.

GOD DAMMIT THATS WHAT I GET FOR HAVING MULTIPLE FARK TABS OPEN


HA HA!
 
2013-09-13 01:08:46 AM
^that's what I get for not reading the entire thread. Stupid particular individual.
 
2013-09-13 01:24:29 AM

arbitterm: Maybe because schools with anti-bullying policies are stricter about reporting cases of it. Schools that don't care aren't gonna have a high number of cases because most will go unreported.


Or the schools (or their resident busy-bodies, at least) are more likely to exaggerate, defining what would normally be considered pretty typical incidents of adolescent jibing and fighting as, instead, cases of bullying and assault.
 
2013-09-13 01:24:38 AM

Moonfisher: I have my own anti-bullying campaign; I tell my kid to hit back, hit hard, and take the little shiat down.


And if the bully is larger, stronger (often older) and much more experienced at this sort of thing?
 
2013-09-13 01:25:23 AM
Know what we did after Fire Safety Day? Know what many kids do after a week of DARE brainwashing?
 
2013-09-13 01:26:09 AM
This is why children should be ENCOURAGED to either pick on other kids, or to act helpless and wussy.

Children always do the opposite of what they're told.
 
2013-09-13 01:28:13 AM

Enemabag Jones: I say we commit a genocide against jerks.


Careful, that might lead to people calling the Jerk Store and finding there aren't enough jerks.
 
2013-09-13 01:30:03 AM
1: Schools that had a major problem are more likely to institute programs to stop that problem.
2: Schools that have a program will report much higher levels because the program detects.

This stupid study is like saying a road with speed cameras has more speeders than another road with no cameras..
 
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