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(CBS Seattle)   From the NFLs "this will end well dept". Cops at football games to wear opponents jerseys, you know for the lulz. 0-o really   (seattle.cbslocal.com) divider line 90
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2013-09-12 09:43:26 PM
Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.
 
2013-09-12 09:56:33 PM

whackamac: Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.


Let's hope.  Jesus, Seattle, what happened?  At hempfest, you were so cool.
 
2013-09-12 10:10:31 PM

whackamac: Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.


Sadly, you are wrong. It's not entrapment since simply wearing visiting teams' jerseys will not render fans of the home teams absolutely physically incapable of NOT fighting them.

Yes, they will be provoking fights by doing this, and it is in fact the general idea -- taunt a drunk guy into punching an undercover cop and then arrest him for assaulting a police officer. But unless the mark is completely cornered and cannot not lay a finger on the officer in an effort to escape, it's not entrapment. Using cop logic, something like this:

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wouldn't count as entrapment since the guy on the left can escape without making even the slightest physical contact. Which means taunting you until you blow a head gasket won't even come close to entrapment, even if they follow you as you walk away in an effort to end the fight before it begins.

/and in some jurisdictions, they may be legally able to skip the pretense of deliberately trying to incite a riot and just punch you in the face for any reason (or even no reason at all), and then arrest you for assaulting their fists with your face
 
2013-09-13 12:54:05 AM

whackamac: Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.


Just wearing a jersey isn't entrapment. You don't have to become violent just because of someone's clothing.

Too many violent altercations in the past have caused this.
 
2013-09-13 01:31:20 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: whackamac: Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.

Let's hope.  Jesus, Seattle, what happened?  At hempfest, you were so cool.


A local Californian transplant had a friend who works for the local newspaper, and wanted to soapbox about how badly she felt she was treated at last year's Hawks / Niners game. She was given an op-ed, and allowed to write a big long "how ashamed I am for you" post describing the terrible ordeal of her 9 year old's hearing swearing at the game, and them wearing niners jerseys. She threw in a bunch of gratuitous "I don't normally attend NFL, and I won't be back" type stuff, made sure and make her concerns "for the children" who would be scarred by the experience.

That seemed to be the thing that got the ball rolling.

That and the off-duty Bellevue, WA (suburb of Seattle) cop who was at the game and arrested for fighting.
 
2013-09-13 01:47:10 AM

mediablitz: whackamac: Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.

Just wearing a jersey isn't entrapment. You don't have to become violent just because of someone's clothing.

Too many violent altercations in the past have caused this.


Exactly. Entrapment would be goading someone into committing a crime they wouldn't have committed otherwise. If a Seattle fan assaults an opposing team's fan simply because of that fact and it just happens to be a police officer this time, that's an arresting. They can provide the opportunity, but not the intent.
 
2013-09-13 03:30:07 AM
You can hire cops now to do side-jobs?
 
2013-09-13 05:32:50 AM
I thought the whole point was not so much not-entrapment but to get the word out that they're doing this to make any drunk morons at the game think twice before being too much of a dick to any Niners fans in attendance.
 
2013-09-13 05:59:10 AM

whackamac: Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.


Know how I know you don't know what "entrapment" means?

/By that logic, every single case on "To Catch a Predator" was entrapment.
 
2013-09-13 06:11:28 AM
They've been doing this at Dodgers games for a while now.  I'm ok with it until they start taunting for arrests.
 
2013-09-13 06:22:15 AM
As someone that got his ass kicked at a Broncos at Raiders game I am getting a kick.

/it's so nice seeing them in the NFL toilet.
 
2013-09-13 06:37:25 AM

Abacus9: You can hire cops now to do side-jobs?


Sure, they will do almost ANYTHING for doughnuts.
 
2013-09-13 06:42:36 AM

whackamac: Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.


Ask me how I know you don't know what you're talking about.
 
2013-09-13 06:48:11 AM
Years ago I had a co-worker in Kansas who was a big Broncos fan. He was stoked to have me around, as I was raised in Colorado and was also a Broncos fan. It came to pass that Denver was playing Kansas City on Monday Night Football. He suggested we go to a local bar to watch it. Fine. He shows up in f*cking face paint and full regalia like a real dork. He then proceeds to heckle the Chiefs fans throughout the game.

It was the one time in my life I was glad the Broncos lost.
 
2013-09-13 06:49:44 AM
I have almost no problem with this.  There are a handful of stadiums/fans where drunk and unruly behavior has practically gotten out of hand.  The Jets were the most visible example of this a few years ago.  There's no place at an NFL stadium for that sort of thing, especially if someone wants to take their kid.

Personally, I've only been to a handful of NFL games, in Charlotte and Cincinnati.  In both places I've never had an issue with security or behavior (other than the dude at Bank of America a couple of years ago who wore nothing but overalls into the stadium in November and his man-titties were hanging out the front AND the back); in fact, I'd put Cincy's fans up against anyone else in the league as the friendliest and most courteous.

And as I said, almost no problem - I'd expect something like this in Philly, New York, or an Oakland/San Fran game.  But Seattle?  Is Qwest Field becoming a haven for Microsoft and Boeing employees to become drunken reprobates on the weekend?
 
2013-09-13 06:59:16 AM
So rather than take the 'omg, the pigs are just trying to stir up trouble' angle, it's entirely possible that just the thought that the person you're drunkenly cursing at might be a cop, may deter some stupid behavior. Or at least encourage friends to intervene before you really do something stupid.
 
2013-09-13 06:59:56 AM
Depends on what happens. If they start hassling people for just razzing them or calling them names, I have a problem with that. If its for someone pushing, trying to start a fight, etc, its a different story.

I'm a flyers fan living in NYC. When they play the rangers or devils, I go to the games, wearing a flyers jersey. I expect people to give me some friendly crap, the occasional name being called, etc. Just like I'd do the same to someone in rangers gear in philadelphia, or yankees gear in citi field.
 
2013-09-13 07:03:42 AM
someone would make a killing selling MDC or NWA tshirts outside the park that night.
 
2013-09-13 07:09:07 AM
Good.

If sports fans are getting so classless that someone who shows up as a visitor- as a guest- is supposed to simply expect verbal abuse and maybe a fight, then it's beyond time to start arresting people.

Make it known that crap like that simply isn't tolerated. Ever.
 
2013-09-13 07:14:38 AM

whackamac: Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.


It doesn't even matter if it is entrapment (it isn't). The goal isn't necessarily to get the fans arrested, it's just to weed unruly fans out of the stands and potentially ban troublemakers from future games.
 
2013-09-13 07:19:14 AM

finaboy: Abacus9: You can hire cops now to do side-jobs?

Sure, they will do almost ANYTHING for doughnuts.


I shudder to think what they would do for a Klondike Bar.
 
2013-09-13 07:21:48 AM

Abacus9: You can hire cops now to do side-jobs?


SEC hires them to stand next to their coaches and look tough all the time
 
2013-09-13 07:22:50 AM

whackamac: Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.


Because we all know your only option is to stab that dude who doesn't root for your team.
 
2013-09-13 07:27:24 AM

Abacus9: You can hire cops now to do side-jobs?


You can hire off-duty cops for damn near any security reason. The department store I used to work at always had 1 or 2 walking around.

The store always paid them more if they were in uniform instead of plain clothes, somehow I think that will be reversed for this game.
 
2013-09-13 07:34:11 AM

whackamac: Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.


Except they announced they are doing it.  If the jerseys are THAT likely to cause a fight, it needs to be done.

So, in your opinion, its FINE to beat up the guy who doesent support your team?

/ Worst I have ever seen is Northwestern Basketball of all places.  Rich kids apparently dont understand that other people dont think like them at all times, and thats okay.
 
2013-09-13 07:37:23 AM

abhorrent1: whackamac: Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.

Ask me how I know you don't know what you're talking about.


Yeah, that is helpful in helping him understand why he is wrong.  Do us a favor, if you cant articulate your position, dont state it.  You are right, mind you, but be right in a semi productive manner.
 
2013-09-13 07:45:07 AM
This has been going on in Philly for years.
 
2013-09-13 07:45:57 AM
This has been going on around the league/sporting world in various stadiums for a good 10 years
 
2013-09-13 08:00:26 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: This has been going on in Philly for years.


Hell, Philly had a courtroom and a judge at the Vet so you could be fined or jailed on the spot.
 
2013-09-13 08:02:02 AM
It would be awesome if they said they were doing it but really didn't.  It would be a kinder and friendlier stadium.
 
2013-09-13 08:02:24 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: This has been going on in Philly for years.


The cops in Philly wearing other teams must have some big balls
 
2013-09-13 08:03:09 AM

whackamac: By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.


So if you wear anything but a Seahawks jersey to a Seahawks game, it will likely provoke a fight? And that's a problem with police? Sounds to me like a problem with dumbasses needing to grow up when they go out in public.
 
2013-09-13 08:04:51 AM
It's entrapment.

If you're a dick.
 
2013-09-13 08:17:41 AM

The Muthaship: It's entrapment.

If you're a dick.


Grow up, act like an adult and there's no problem.
 
2013-09-13 08:20:02 AM

The Muthaship: It's entrapment.

If you're a dick.


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It's dick season!!!
 
2013-09-13 08:20:59 AM

whackamac: Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.


That's not how entrapment works outside of Hollywood and TV.
 
2013-09-13 08:22:36 AM

whackamac: Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.


Ugh why are some football fans so dumb...

Wearing clothes doesn't start fights. Drunken idiots who think "we" are playing in the game on Sunday start fights. I say bravo to the NFL for this. If it dissuades one idiot from acting like a fool it's worth it.
 
2013-09-13 08:29:32 AM

Waldo Pepper: Mr. Coffee Nerves: This has been going on in Philly for years.

The cops in Philly wearing other teams must have some big balls


It wasn't exactly Mission:Impossible-level disguise. One time at the Vet I saw a guy wearing head-to-toe Redskins gear so new the price tag was still on the jersey.

I said "Enjoy the game, Officer" and he winked at me.
 
2013-09-13 09:26:36 AM

Lost Thought 00: Abacus9: You can hire cops now to do side-jobs?

SEC hires them to stand next to their coaches and look tough all the time


That's pretty standard in CFB around the country, not just the SEC.
 
2013-09-13 09:33:07 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Waldo Pepper: Mr. Coffee Nerves: This has been going on in Philly for years.

The cops in Philly wearing other teams must have some big balls

It wasn't exactly Mission:Impossible-level disguise. One time at the Vet I saw a guy wearing head-to-toe Redskins gear so new the price tag was still on the jersey.

I said "Enjoy the game, Officer" and he winked at me.


I would imagine that they're the big, athletic-looking, sober, rather quiet looking guys who are paying more attention to the crowd than to the game.
 
2013-09-13 09:33:43 AM

whackamac: Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.


People like you are why we can't have nice things.
 
2013-09-13 09:37:23 AM

whackamac: Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.


Fark needs a "Stupid" button.
 
2013-09-13 09:42:36 AM
I think this is a good idea. They have to do something about the dick factor in the stands.
 
2013-09-13 10:07:23 AM

flak attack: Lost Thought 00: Abacus9: You can hire cops now to do side-jobs?

SEC hires them to stand next to their coaches and look tough all the time

That's pretty standard in CFB around the country, not just the SEC.


sometimes i think the people who level things at the SEC have never watched college football outside of the SEC
 
2013-09-13 10:12:58 AM
The goal of the NFL (and what SHOULD be the goal of every team and fan) is to ensure that the stadium is safe for anyone to attend a game, be that a grandma in a wheelchair or fan of the visiting team.

So putting a few plants in the crowd to see if they are providing a safe experience is not a bad idea.  Provided the guy in the Peyton Manning jersey isn't overtly trying to incite violence or abuse from the home team, then if he gets it anyway that's just undercover investigative work - identifying the violent arseholes and asking them to leave.
 
2013-09-13 10:18:18 AM
I don't think there were a lot of problems at past seahawk games. This is more of a stop a problem before it starts kind of thing (especially if the hawks and niners both remain good for a while).

God knows they don't have to do this at mariner games because fans of other teams playing make up the majority of the crowd on non felix pitching nights.
 
2013-09-13 10:33:14 AM

NASAM: whackamac: Can you say 3 - 2 - 1.... ENTRAPMENT!

By knowing the jerseys will likely provoke a fight, they are in fact starting the fight without saying a word. This won't last.

Fark needs a "Stupid" button.


The Politics Tab would break it.
 
2013-09-13 10:36:32 AM

LineNoise: Depends on what happens. If they start hassling people for just razzing them or calling them names, I have a problem with that. If its for someone pushing, trying to start a fight, etc, its a different story.

I'm a flyers fan living in NYC. When they play the rangers or devils, I go to the games, wearing a flyers jersey. I expect people to give me some friendly crap, the occasional name being called, etc. Just like I'd do the same to someone in rangers gear in philadelphia, or yankees gear in citi field.


Yeah, Philly sports fans are known around the world for being so welcoming and level-headed.  Uh-huh.
 
2013-09-13 10:43:27 AM
www.washingtonpost.com
What attacking undercover cops may look like.
 
2013-09-13 10:55:23 AM

vento: LineNoise: Depends on what happens. If they start hassling people for just razzing them or calling them names, I have a problem with that. If its for someone pushing, trying to start a fight, etc, its a different story.

I'm a flyers fan living in NYC. When they play the rangers or devils, I go to the games, wearing a flyers jersey. I expect people to give me some friendly crap, the occasional name being called, etc. Just like I'd do the same to someone in rangers gear in philadelphia, or yankees gear in citi field.

Yeah, Philly sports fans are known around the world for being so welcoming and level-headed.  Uh-huh.


We Philly fans may have the bad reputation, but this crap happens in every city. I had a huge dude raging at me because I was wearing an Eagles jersey as I was walking into the U of Phoenix stadium to watch an Eagles/Cardinals game. This guy wanted to fight me, a 5'3" female, and I hadn't said a single word to him. Then a security guard said something rude to me about my jersey as well. I wouldn't be as surprised had it happened in Dallas or New York, but I never expected to get harassed at a freaking Cardinals game. There was a time not long ago when the only fans at those games were there to root for the opposing team!
 
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