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2013-09-12 07:58:09 PM  
"'We can't find him.' That's the response I got. No sense of urgency. It was like I had lost a purse, not a child."

Look, we kept track of him for 90% of the school day that's well above average, in fact that's an A- performance be grateful.
 
2013-09-12 08:12:52 PM  

Tom_Slick: "'We can't find him.' That's the response I got. No sense of urgency. It was like I had lost a purse, not a child."

Look, we kept track of him for 90% of the school day that's well above average, in fact that's an A- performance be grateful.



I'm not so sure about that after reading this: "In fact, the boy's teacher said that she wasn't aware of any student named Daren in her class".

If the little boy wasn't in her class then where in the hell was he in the time period before he was put on the wrong bus?
 
2013-09-12 09:30:49 PM  
Sorry about not sending out the ravens.
 
2013-09-12 09:31:48 PM  
Yeah, but think of all the students we didn't lose
 
2013-09-12 09:32:28 PM  
Those teachers didn't have ONE job, they likely had 36 jobs. Granted, the alleged lack of help is bad, but I'm betting that classroom was nuts on day one.
 
2013-09-12 09:36:09 PM  
Way to go Mom. You have apparently spawned a very intelligent kid there.

/3 kids
//taught to always have their minds on where they are, what they are doing, per Yoda.
 
2013-09-12 09:37:05 PM  
Look, kids are replaceable. You can always have another.
 
2013-09-12 09:39:45 PM  
The school was trying to do her a favor
 
2013-09-12 09:41:39 PM  
Eh, my daughter ended up on the wrong bus one day in her first year of school.  Busses were lined up 1 - 3 - 2 instead of 1 - 2 -3 and she got on the wrong one.  Same thing happened as in the story, she ended up at the administration building, I picked her up and all was good.  She learned to read the number on the bus not just go to the one in the right position so that was good.
 
2013-09-12 09:45:14 PM  
Really? It took them hours before someone had the genius idea to check the school bus. It is literally the FIRST place to check. It happens. But this is why you always check the student-bus list before you send them off.

Oh, New York? The special ed brother of the giant libby states.

/Westcoastisthebestcoast
 
2013-09-12 09:45:51 PM  

Apik0r0s: Way to go Mom. You have apparently spawned a very intelligent kid there.

/3 kids
//taught to always have their minds on where they are, what they are doing, per Yoda.


I have one child who is impervious to that kind of instruction. Despite being told, taught, repeatedly, nearly daily. I swear, even when she's an adult she'll be the stereotypical absent-minded professor. No situational awareness at all. Cannot pay attention to the world outside her eyeballs. She walked in on us having sex and she didn't even notice!
 
2013-09-12 09:46:47 PM  
I hate to admit it, but having worked in an Elementary school I can say that I am sympathetic. My memory is better than average, and I did my absolute damnedest to keep tabs on all of my students at all times, and yet occasionally I would lose track of some. I had my share of (internal) freak outs when I realized that I did not know where a kid was, but I am fortunate that it never became an issue.

/In my defense, I worked in after school, and so I had a large class (~30) with a lot fragmentation as small subsets of kids come and go to other groups for different activities. It's a lot to keep track of in addition to dealing with all the children who are present at a given time.
 
2013-09-12 09:47:15 PM  

I lost a kid on the first day of school once.

Once.



media.philly.com

 
GBB
2013-09-12 09:48:34 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Tom_Slick: "'We can't find him.' That's the response I got. No sense of urgency. It was like I had lost a purse, not a child."

Look, we kept track of him for 90% of the school day that's well above average, in fact that's an A- performance be grateful.


I'm not so sure about that after reading this: "In fact, the boy's teacher said that she wasn't aware of any student named Daren in her class".

If the little boy wasn't in her class then where in the hell was he in the time period before he was put on the wrong bus?


HA!   Daren is his middle name.

Actually, I don't know if that's true, just sounds funny.

CSB, I had a call from a mother whose kid missed the bus home.  The name she gave me was her kid's middle name that she "goes by".  Needless to say, school tells me, "No such student enrolled".
 
2013-09-12 09:49:16 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Eh, my daughter ended up on the wrong bus one day in her first year of school.  Busses were lined up 1 - 3 - 2 instead of 1 - 2 -3 and she got on the wrong one.  Same thing happened as in the story, she ended up at the administration building, I picked her up and all was good.  She learned to read the number on the bus not just go to the one in the right position so that was good.


I very clearly remember my first day of kindergarten because at the end of the day all the buses were lined up and I was supposed to figure out which one to take home. Sure, there were signs on the buses - but I hadn't learned to read yet. Terrified. I ended up on the right bus eventually but I always remembered that as a school district not having thought through their cunning plan.
 
2013-09-12 09:49:32 PM  

StopLurkListen: Apik0r0s: Way to go Mom. You have apparently spawned a very intelligent kid there.

/3 kids
//taught to always have their minds on where they are, what they are doing, per Yoda.

I have one child who is impervious to that kind of instruction. Despite being told, taught, repeatedly, nearly daily. I swear, even when she's an adult she'll be the stereotypical absent-minded professor. No situational awareness at all. Cannot pay attention to the world outside her eyeballs. She walked in on us having sex and she didn't even notice!


Plus the kid is 4 years old on his first day of school. He was probably scared & not sure what to do or who to ask for help. I think we need to give the kid a break on this one.
 
2013-09-12 09:51:22 PM  
Every school district....they lose one or two kids on the first day of school.
Every year.
 
2013-09-12 09:51:30 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Look, kids are replaceable. You can always have another.


Darrens get replaced all the time.

2.bp.blogspot.com
Not so sure about Darens.
 
2013-09-12 09:53:23 PM  

Apik0r0s: Way to go Mom. You have apparently spawned a very intelligent kid there.

/3 kids
//taught to always have their minds on where they are, what they are doing, per Yoda.


bestdemotivationalposters.com
 
2013-09-12 09:54:03 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: Those teachers didn't have ONE job, they likely had 36 jobs. Granted, the alleged lack of help is bad, but I'm betting that classroom was nuts on day one.


Pretty sure "Don't permanently lose track of a 4-year-old" is at the top of that list.
 
2013-09-12 09:55:14 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Tom_Slick: "'We can't find him.' That's the response I got. No sense of urgency. It was like I had lost a purse, not a child."

Look, we kept track of him for 90% of the school day that's well above average, in fact that's an A- performance be grateful.


I'm not so sure about that after reading this: "In fact, the boy's teacher said that she wasn't aware of any student named Daren in her class".

If the little boy wasn't in her class then where in the hell was he in the time period before he was put on the wrong bus?


Or the teacher was covering her arse. I'd like to see a follow up where the parent asks the kid if they were in class that day and who their teacher was and if the kid can identify that teacher see if she says "Oh THAT Daren"
 
2013-09-12 09:55:41 PM  
Fark education threads usually go something like this:

Public schools are stupid.

Teachers are incompetent.

They teach to the test and enforce totalitarian regime.

Public schools aren't near as totalitarian as fascist charter schools.

Charter schools are free market, and there to break unions!

Unions are good!

Public schools are great because their teachers can unionize.

Public school teacher are the best!


Or you get something like:
Schools crush individuality and human spirit!

Schools don't do enough to prepare students to be a cog in the machine when they graduate!

Schools should stop letting young people be individuals!

I hate teenagers!
 
2013-09-12 09:58:09 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Every school district....they lose one or two kids on the first day of school.
Every year.


They should stop having a first day of school. Every year.
 
2013-09-12 10:00:55 PM  

StopLurkListen: Apik0r0s: Way to go Mom. You have apparently spawned a very intelligent kid there.

/3 kids
//taught to always have their minds on where they are, what they are doing, per Yoda.

I have one child who is impervious to that kind of instruction. Despite being told, taught, repeatedly, nearly daily. I swear, even when she's an adult she'll be the stereotypical absent-minded professor. No situational awareness at all. Cannot pay attention to the world outside her eyeballs. She walked in on us having sex and she didn't even notice!


I was that way...on the outside. On the inside, I noticed EVERYTHING...just was not able to plug it into the appropriate places, so to speak. Finally my brain developed enough by the time I was fourteen for me to put all the pieces together.

Still notice stuff...just know how to put it together now.
 
2013-09-12 10:04:50 PM  

StopLurkListen: Mr. Eugenides: Eh, my daughter ended up on the wrong bus one day in her first year of school.  Busses were lined up 1 - 3 - 2 instead of 1 - 2 -3 and she got on the wrong one.  Same thing happened as in the story, she ended up at the administration building, I picked her up and all was good.  She learned to read the number on the bus not just go to the one in the right position so that was good.

I very clearly remember my first day of kindergarten because at the end of the day all the buses were lined up and I was supposed to figure out which one to take home. Sure, there were signs on the buses - but I hadn't learned to read yet. Terrified. I ended up on the right bus eventually but I always remembered that as a school district not having thought through their cunning plan.


My school had the Kindergardeners wear paper apples which had their names and bus numbers on them. It was the bus drivers' responsibility to check to make sure that the kids got on the right bus. The teachers were also especially diligent for the first week or two, staying longer to point each kid to their bus. It worked pretty well, but even then we had the occasional mix up.

I once got on the wrong bus in Kindergarden, but that was just a misunderstanding. In the morning I could take either the 5 or 11 to school, but had 11 on my apple. One day the 11 was a bit late, so I got on the 5 not realizing it had a different route in the afternoon. It wasn't a big deal. I was pretty scared, but just let the bus driver know when I noticed, and he just radioed it in and I was picked up later when we got back to the school.
 
2013-09-12 10:07:23 PM  

StopLurkListen: I very clearly remember my first day of kindergarten because at the end of the day all the buses were lined up and I was supposed to figure out which one to take home.


I had this same anxiety. A huge, long row of big yellow busses, all looking exactly the same. I'm old, so we didn't have cute little easily recognizable animal pictures on the busses like they do now. I knew approximately where the bus should be, but there were five or six that might have been mine. It was awful. If I got on the wrong one I'd be so embarrassed. Everyone would laugh at me. It'd be awful! Finally the anxiety won out and I gave up and walked home. It took me over an hour. Of course, this wasn't kindergarten for me. It was high school.

In my defense, I went to a really big high school. There were a LOT of busses.
 
2013-09-12 10:15:13 PM  

Apik0r0s: Way to go Mom. You have apparently spawned a very intelligent kid there.

/3 kids
//taught to always have their minds on where they are, what they are doing, per Yoda.


The "Star Wars" model of parenting might not be the best choice unless you want your son to make out with your daughter.  And Yoda died. (spoilers)
 
2013-09-12 10:16:57 PM  
A day care in Maple Grove, Minnesota lost a 2 year old.  Went under a fence, and random strangers brought him back.  This happened 2 days in a row.  This was a year and a half ago, and the place is still open.  One of the staff got fired...  For telling the parents.

/ happens all the time I guess
 
2013-09-12 10:21:43 PM  

namegoeshere: StopLurkListen: I very clearly remember my first day of kindergarten because at the end of the day all the buses were lined up and I was supposed to figure out which one to take home.

I had this same anxiety. A huge, long row of big yellow busses,


busses = kisses
buses = vehicles that take you places

How'd you do on your spelling tests?
 
2013-09-12 10:25:39 PM  

acohn: namegoeshere: StopLurkListen: I very clearly remember my first day of kindergarten because at the end of the day all the buses were lined up and I was supposed to figure out which one to take home.

I had this same anxiety. A huge, long row of big yellow busses,

busses = kisses
buses = vehicles that take you places

How'd you do on your spelling tests?


C'mon, that double-the-last-consonant thing workks 95% of the time.
 
2013-09-12 10:29:13 PM  
The mistake doesn't sound *that* bad - a kid got on the wrong bus on the first day of school, when everything was almost certainly pretty hectic, and was never in any actual danger. It's not like the kid managed to wander off the school property during the day and wander the local highways.

The school's attitude sounds farking terrible. Granted we're getting the mom's side, although it seems to be backed up by anther parent, but while the kid is on school property it is very much the school's responsibility to know where they are and if they lose track of a kid on their watch they need to pull out all the stops in locating the missing child.
 
2013-09-12 10:31:06 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Eh, my daughter ended up on the wrong bus one day in her first year of school.  Busses were lined up 1 - 3 - 2 instead of 1 - 2 -3 and she got on the wrong one.  Same thing happened as in the story, she ended up at the administration building, I picked her up and all was good.  She learned to read the number on the bus not just go to the one in the right position so that was good.


I did something similar once.  I was in Spa, Belgium and after the racing I just followed the crowd that seemed to be going back to Brussels on the train after.  It turned out that they couldn't read French or Dutch either and we all ended up on the Paris train.  The conductor came through, checked our tix and said that we all had to get off at the next stop and FIFO from there.  Thankfully there were some English speakers at that border station and we were able to get on another train to Brussels without much delay.  But it was like midnight when we arrived back at our hotels.
 
2013-09-12 10:31:17 PM  
First day of school, I tell my students that while they are at school, I am responsible for them, and that if I do only one thing each day, getting them home alive is going to be it. (5th grade btw, not little kids who would cry at the thought.) It gets them focused on their own mortality while I go over the emergency procedures and the routines I've developed to not lose kids, or at least to know as soon as possible who's missing (like have lines in alphabetical order, every place assigned, so I can see in an instant who is not in their spot).
 
2013-09-12 10:42:52 PM  

namegoeshere: StopLurkListen: I very clearly remember my first day of kindergarten because at the end of the day all the buses were lined up and I was supposed to figure out which one to take home.

I had this same anxiety. A huge, long row of big yellow busses, all looking exactly the same. I'm old, so we didn't have cute little easily recognizable animal pictures on the busses like they do now. I knew approximately where the bus should be, but there were five or six that might have been mine. It was awful. If I got on the wrong one I'd be so embarrassed. Everyone would laugh at me. It'd be awful! Finally the anxiety won out and I gave up and walked home. It took me over an hour. Of course, this wasn't kindergarten for me. It was high school.

In my defense, I went to a really big high school. There were a LOT of busses.


fark I'm twenty two and I keep having dreams about my elementary school bus.
 
2013-09-12 10:52:20 PM  
Buses at our elementary school a couple decades ago were identified by color.  Easy for a kid to remember.  Seems to have worked.  I still remember my bus's color.

/Red bus, no. 15
 
2013-09-12 10:52:22 PM  
Every child needs a GPS transmitter to know where they are every moment of every day until they are 21 years old.
 
2013-09-12 10:53:46 PM  

ZoeNekros: StopLurkListen: Mr. Eugenides: Eh, my daughter ended up on the wrong bus one day in her first year of school.  Busses were lined up 1 - 3 - 2 instead of 1 - 2 -3 and she got on the wrong one.  Same thing happened as in the story, she ended up at the administration building, I picked her up and all was good.  She learned to read the number on the bus not just go to the one in the right position so that was good.

I very clearly remember my first day of kindergarten because at the end of the day all the buses were lined up and I was supposed to figure out which one to take home. Sure, there were signs on the buses - but I hadn't learned to read yet. Terrified. I ended up on the right bus eventually but I always remembered that as a school district not having thought through their cunning plan.

My school had the Kindergardeners wear paper apples which had their names and bus numbers on them. It was the bus drivers' responsibility to check to make sure that the kids got on the right bus. The teachers were also especially diligent for the first week or two, staying longer to point each kid to their bus. It worked pretty well, but even then we had the occasional mix up.

I once got on the wrong bus in Kindergarden, but that was just a misunderstanding. In the morning I could take either the 5 or 11 to school, but had 11 on my apple. One day the 11 was a bit late, so I got on the 5 not realizing it had a different route in the afternoon. It wasn't a big deal. I was pretty scared, but just let the bus driver know when I noticed, and he just radioed it in and I was picked up later when we got back to the school.


My grade school put a colored tile in a bracket by the door of each bus.  Kindergarteners may not be able to read numbers yet, but most of them can figure out "I take the bus with the blue square."

Of course, my grade school was pretty small, so it only had three buses.  Probably wouldn't work out so well for a huge school with a dozen buses.  Five-year-olds can tell the difference between red, green and blue, but might have a harder time distinguishing the puce bus from the mauve bus.
 
2013-09-12 10:55:13 PM  
simpsonswiki.com
 
2013-09-12 11:01:00 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Eh, my daughter ended up on the wrong bus one day in her first year of school.  Busses were lined up 1 - 3 - 2 instead of 1 - 2 -3 and she got on the wrong one.  Same thing happened as in the story, she ended up at the administration building, I picked her up and all was good.  She learned to read the number on the bus not just go to the one in the right position so that was good.


You mean you took a challenging situation and made it work in your favor by using it as a teaching tool?  I'm shocked you didn't blog it and run to the media on this first!
 
2013-09-12 11:05:04 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: Those teachers didn't have ONE job, they likely had 36 jobs. Granted, the alleged lack of help is bad, but I'm betting that classroom was nuts on day one.


Exactly.  They were probably overwhelmed.

rhondajeremy: Plus the kid is 4 years old on his first day of school. He was probably scared & not sure what to do or who to ask for help. I think we need to give the kid a break on this one.


Yeah, 4 is a little young to expect them to figure it out, especially since it's probably their first encounter with a situation like that.
 
2013-09-12 11:32:49 PM  

Harry_Seldon: Every child needs a GPS transmitter to know where they are every moment of every day until they are 21 years old.


Like I used to tell lost parents at Disneyland, the KIDS always know where they are. It's the PARENTS who have no idea what happened to them!
 
2013-09-12 11:39:10 PM  

Target Builder: while the kid is on school property it is very much the school's responsibility to know where they are and if they lose track of a kid on their watch they need to pull out all the stops in locating the missing child.


I could usually be found in the back part of the horticulture area smoking a joint. Oh, wait, that was high school, not kindergarten. I always get those two mixed up.
 
2013-09-12 11:40:05 PM  
I just realized my son won't have any school bus memories like I do since we walk to school and have done so since preschool. When we get lazy we take the N Judah muni train. So his scary school memories will consist of hearing mom swear when we miss a train on a rainy day.
 
2013-09-12 11:44:33 PM  

PapaChester: Really? It took them hours before someone had the genius idea to check the school bus. It is literally the FIRST place to check. It happens. But this is why you always check the student-bus list before you send them off.

Oh, New York? The special ed brother of the giant libby states.

/Westcoastisthebestcoast


Having just spent 2 weeks for work and vacation on the West Coast I can say that you have a beautiful land with some of the dumbest and absent-minded people I have ever seen in my entire life.
 
2013-09-12 11:49:15 PM  

GBB: Bathia_Mapes: Tom_Slick: "'We can't find him.' That's the response I got. No sense of urgency. It was like I had lost a purse, not a child."

Look, we kept track of him for 90% of the school day that's well above average, in fact that's an A- performance be grateful.


I'm not so sure about that after reading this: "In fact, the boy's teacher said that she wasn't aware of any student named Daren in her class".

If the little boy wasn't in her class then where in the hell was he in the time period before he was put on the wrong bus?

HA!   Daren is his middle name.

Actually, I don't know if that's true, just sounds funny.

CSB, I had a call from a mother whose kid missed the bus home.  The name she gave me was her kid's middle name that she "goes by".  Needless to say, school tells me, "No such student enrolled".


Farkin' hell. If you want a kid to "go by" a name, make it their FIRST FARKING NAME. How hard is that?
 
2013-09-12 11:50:48 PM  
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2013-09-12 11:53:25 PM  
The mother worked with school officials for two hours to attempt to locate the missing boy

The school urged Maldano to contact the police, denying responsibility for the boy or the situation.

Finally, someone figured out that Daren was mistakenly put on a school bus.


It took 2 hours before someone finally suggested she call the police, and then she didn't even call them?
 
2013-09-12 11:57:22 PM  
Who cares if we lose one or two? There are so many around.

Plus, it's very easy to remake new ones.
 
2013-09-12 11:58:59 PM  
I'm a patient man.  With my kid though, you need to have answers when I ask you for them.
I wear a size 13 ring and when I put my hands on your neck I have already confessed and I'm ready to go where they take me.
 
2013-09-12 11:59:12 PM  

Apik0r0s: Way to go Mom. You have apparently spawned a very intelligent kid there.

/3 kids
//taught to always have their minds on where they are, what they are doing, per Yoda.


The kid is 4 years old and it's his first day of school. Expecting him to understand things like which bus he's supposed to be on and so forth isn't something most 4 year olds are capable of doing.
 
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