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(The Daily Beast)   Ted Cruz says that the Senate would be better if it was filled with "100 Jesse Helms". GOP minority outreach continues apace   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 124
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2013-09-12 01:33:15 PM
Liberals are still the real racists. You know, for noticing.
 
2013-09-12 01:39:50 PM
What's interest about this is, as TFA says, Trent Lott's career basically ended for saying something similar. This Cruz quote is barely a blip and it won't cost him anything. The GOP seems to be getting MORE racist over time.
 
2013-09-12 01:49:19 PM
As a Texan, I sincerely apologize for sending such an asshole to Washington.  Again.
 
2013-09-12 01:50:11 PM

DamnYankees: What's interest about this is, as TFA says, Trent Lott's career basically ended for saying something similar. This Cruz quote is barely a blip and it won't cost him anything. The GOP seems to be getting MORE racist over time.


IIRC, Cruz was quoting...someone. Sure, he agreed with the cite, but it's not like Cruz came up with that on his own. And he did explain why he wanted 100 Jesse Helmseseses in the Senate - to stop the creep of socialism.
 
2013-09-12 01:57:07 PM

Dr Dreidel: IIRC, Cruz was quoting...someone. Sure, he agreed with the cite, but it's not like Cruz came up with that on his own. And he did explain why he wanted 100 Jesse Helmseseses in the Senate - to stop the creep of socialism because old white guys rule and, in this case at least, drool.


FTFY
 
2013-09-12 02:06:03 PM
well, he has to make up for saying something nice about Obama earlier.
 
2013-09-12 02:06:03 PM
100 corpses?
 
2013-09-12 02:06:28 PM

Dr Dreidel: DamnYankees: What's interest about this is, as TFA says, Trent Lott's career basically ended for saying something similar. This Cruz quote is barely a blip and it won't cost him anything. The GOP seems to be getting MORE racist over time.

IIRC, Cruz was quoting...someone. Sure, he agreed with the cite, but it's not like Cruz came up with that on his own. And he did explain why he wanted 100 Jesse Helmseseses in the Senate - to stop the creep of socialism.


I'd be totally okay with that idea, as long as we stopped socialism for Joe Six-pack and Mitt Romney at the same time, and made every suburban commuter who writes off mortgage interest put a bumper sticker with "WELFARE RECIPIENT" on their car - after waiting in line five hours to pee into a jar for a surly worker who will process their drug specimen while holding three cellphone conversations at the same time.

If socialism is bad, it's bad. Let's rip it out everywhere it exists.
 
2013-09-12 02:13:12 PM
Something something Robert Byrd.
 
2013-09-12 02:20:38 PM

James!: 100 corpses?


Zombie senators.
 
2013-09-12 02:28:28 PM

Flab: James!: 100 corpses?

Zombie senators.


How long until lobbyists begin harvesting our brains to bribe these undead legislators?
 
2013-09-12 02:40:14 PM
I tend to get Helms and Thurmond mixed up, so of course I was reminded of this.
 
2013-09-12 02:52:39 PM

DamnYankees: The GOP seems to be getting MORE racist over time.


they've definitely traded their dog whistles for megaphones.

they've made a calculated gamble that they can win elections by turning out white voters in large numbers. they figure on doing this by leveraging tacit or overt racism. and while this may still win them house seats, it's unlikely to win them the presidency and less likely that they'll win senate seats over time.
 
2013-09-12 02:53:01 PM
I think Cruz misspoke and he was really referring to the House of Representatives.
A bunch of dead guys probably would do a better job than the piles of shiat currently filling the House seats.
 
2013-09-12 02:53:15 PM

propasaurus: Something something Robert Byrd.


Someone will bring that up in all seriousness, I'm sure. Because continuing to be a racist dickbag until they put you in the ground is the same thing as changing your behavior and acknowleding your mistakes.
 
2013-09-12 02:57:02 PM

Cagey B: Because continuing to be a racist dickbag until they put you in the ground is the same thing as changing your behavior and acknowleding your mistakes.


not to mention the fact that robert byrd is literally "in the ground."
 
2013-09-12 02:59:25 PM

Flab: James!: 100 corpses?

Zombie senators.


Isn't there a movie about that? I thought House of 1000 Corpses was a horror movie, but apparently it's about undead parliamentarians.
 
2013-09-12 03:01:05 PM
When I first read the headline I for some reason though Jesse Owens instead of Jesse Helms, and was wondering why Ted Cruz thought Olympic sprinters would make a good body politic.
 
2013-09-12 03:01:50 PM

nmrsnr: When I first read the headline I for some reason though Jesse Owens instead of Jesse Helms, and was wondering why Ted Cruz thought Olympic sprinters would make a good body politic.


I thought the same thing at first.
 
2013-09-12 03:03:25 PM

Via Infinito: I think Cruz misspoke and he was really referring to the House of Representatives.
A bunch of dead guys probably would do a better job than the piles of shiat currently filling the House seats.


They'd certainly waste less time trying to repeal the HCRA.
 
2013-09-12 03:04:20 PM
Jeez, what an idiot.
 
2013-09-12 03:09:16 PM

clancifer: As a Texan, I sincerely apologize for sending such an asshole to Washington.  Again.


It's not your fault. There are lots of reasonable people who are just surrounded by assholes.

/Arizonan
 
2013-09-12 03:11:43 PM

Cagey B: changing your behavior and acknowleding your mistakes.


Who are you referring to?
 
2013-09-12 03:15:41 PM
Two days, two gaffes.

Sounds like Ted got some bad internal polls OR realized just how many light years of corporate dong he'll have to slobber to raise enough money to run and said to himself "I want out, but I don't want to be all Paliny."
 
2013-09-12 03:19:33 PM
i.imgur.com

/oblig
 
2013-09-12 03:21:57 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: There are lots of reasonable people who are just surrounded by assholes.


images2.makefive.com

Commiserates.
 
2013-09-12 03:23:30 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Cagey B: changing your behavior and acknowleding your mistakes.

Who are you referring to?


From the wikis:

In 1997, Byrd told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics but also: "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena." In his last autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a KKK member because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision-a jejune and immature outlook-seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions." Byrd also said, in 2005, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."

Now, please proceed to your no doubt forthcoming white knighting of Jesse Helms.
 
2013-09-12 03:28:20 PM

Cagey B: From the wikis


From the horse's mouth...in 2001
 
2013-09-12 03:40:37 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Cagey B: From the wikis

From the horse's mouth...in 2001


Huh. Wonder if he ever realized he made a mistake using that term and apologized.

From the same exact link upthread:

"I apologize for the characterization I used on this program ... The phrase dates back to my boyhood and has no place in today's society ... In my attempt to articulate strongly held feelings, I may have offended people."

It's too bad he didn't just stick to his guns, he could have been a Republican hero.
 
2013-09-12 03:42:55 PM

Cagey B: "I apologize for the characterization I used on this program ... The phrase dates back to my boyhood and has no place in today's society ... In my attempt to articulate strongly held feelings, I may have offended people."


Like a cat trying to cover a turd on a tile floor...at least you bought it.
 
2013-09-12 03:44:46 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Cagey B: "I apologize for the characterization I used on this program ... The phrase dates back to my boyhood and has no place in today's society ... In my attempt to articulate strongly held feelings, I may have offended people."

Like a cat trying to cover a turd on a tile floor...at least you bought it.


How does any of that change the fact that Cruz is racist sh*tbag and pandering asshat while still being considered a darling of the Tea Party? What kind of point could you possibly be making?
 
2013-09-12 03:47:20 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Cagey B: "I apologize for the characterization I used on this program ... The phrase dates back to my boyhood and has no place in today's society ... In my attempt to articulate strongly held feelings, I may have offended people."

Like a cat trying to cover a turd on a tile floor...at least you bought it.


What a Real Patriotic American, continuing to kick a man who apologized for what he said, and 4 years after that said he'd keep apologizing "over and again" - and one who has actually been dead for about 3 years.

Let it go - he's a dead racist, a dead Democrat, a dead West Virginian, a dead [whatever] you want him to be. He can't hurt you any more.

// at least he apologized for his insensitive remarks - more than you could say for pretty much anyone in the GOP these days
 
2013-09-12 03:47:23 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Cagey B: "I apologize for the characterization I used on this program ... The phrase dates back to my boyhood and has no place in today's society ... In my attempt to articulate strongly held feelings, I may have offended people."

Like a cat trying to cover a turd on a tile floor...at least you bought it.


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is merely your inability to recognize this strange thing known as an "apology", which comes from such alien, homo-Marxist concepts as "examining your own behavior" and "accepting that you can be wrong sometimes". Rather than something disingenuous like moving the goalposts after your idiotic response flops. You're welcome.
 
2013-09-12 03:53:47 PM

DamnYankees: What's interest about this is, as TFA says, Trent Lott's career basically ended for saying something similar. This Cruz quote is barely a blip and it won't cost him anything. The GOP seems to be getting MORE racist over time.


More racist? Hell, they're turning into Morlocks more and more by the day!
 
2013-09-12 03:55:42 PM

CheetahOlivetti: I tend to get Helms and Thurmond mixed up, so of course I was reminded of this.


Jesse helms is the one who tried to launch a conservative buyout of CBS so he could "be Dan Rather's boss" and turn the network into a right wing propaganda machine.

And somewhere in Australia, a Rupert Murdoch began to go "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............."

/Thanks loads, Jesse. Hope Satan's got LOTS of pineapples for ya. ;)
 
2013-09-12 03:57:33 PM

Cagey B: n 1997, Byrd told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics but also: "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena." In his last autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a KKK member because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision-a jejune and immature outlook-seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions."


Is that supposed to be some sort of an excuse?  Byrd became a leader in the KKK only to further his personal political ambitions?  He advises young people not to join the KKK because it will inhibit their ambitions in the political arena?  Sounds like someone who would sell his soul for personal ambition.

So this is the Robert Byrd that Hillary calls her mentor?  I guess that comes as no surprise.
 
2013-09-12 03:59:26 PM
Seemed obligatory:

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-09-12 04:00:12 PM
Isn't Jesse Helms dead?
 
2013-09-12 04:01:16 PM

TV's Vinnie: DamnYankees: What's interest about this is, as TFA says, Trent Lott's career basically ended for saying something similar. This Cruz quote is barely a blip and it won't cost him anything. The GOP seems to be getting MORE racist over time.

More racist? Hell, they're turning into Morlocks more and more by the day!


That's not fair at all.  The Morlocks were much, much smarter than the GOP.
 
2013-09-12 04:01:48 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: Dancin_In_Anson: Cagey B: "I apologize for the characterization I used on this program ... The phrase dates back to my boyhood and has no place in today's society ... In my attempt to articulate strongly held feelings, I may have offended people."

Like a cat trying to cover a turd on a tile floor...at least you bought it.

How does any of that change the fact that Cruz is racist sh*tbag and pandering asshat while still being considered a darling of the Tea Party? What kind of point could you possibly be making?


His point, as always, is obfuscation.
 
2013-09-12 04:10:07 PM
Didn't Helms have a big dick?
 
2013-09-12 04:10:38 PM

Dr Dreidel: to stop the creep of socialism


And speaking of stopping creeps . . .
 
2013-09-12 04:12:17 PM
Called it!
 
2013-09-12 04:12:33 PM
Holy crap...Skinnyhead and DIA in the same thread basically saying ...'No, you're the racist"

My Derp meter just assploded.
 
2013-09-12 04:13:43 PM
So skimming the comments, am I correct that RAFAEL CRUZ is endorsing the cloning of a possibly dead racist to fill seats in Congress?
 
2013-09-12 04:14:14 PM
Well now he's solidly locked down the "racist Nonagenarian" demographic in 2016 and left everyone else scratching their heads going "who now?"
I love the fact that he praised helms because Helms was willing to "say crazy things"

as if that was virtue...
 
2013-09-12 04:14:57 PM
making political donations at 10yo? that may explain a lot about Cruz.

where did he get the money? I sure hope nobody gave him that money.
 
2013-09-12 04:15:15 PM
Jesse Helms, shewt.  The Senate should be filled with 100 Jim Adkissons, amirite?
 
2013-09-12 04:16:07 PM
"All Latins are volatile people. Hence, I was not surprised at the volatile reaction."

/"b-b-but byrrrd!"
 
2013-09-12 04:16:28 PM
So back in about 1986 I had just started working as a waiter in a new
City Club in Charlotte.

One of my first shifts was a breakfast meeting that featured NC's senior senator, Jesse Helms...

As I was clearing plates and filling water, I walked past the head table and crop dusted the crap out of Mr. Helms.

It still is one of my proudest work moments.
 
2013-09-12 04:19:30 PM

Cagey B: propasaurus: Something something Robert Byrd.

Someone will bring that up in all seriousness, I'm sure. Because continuing to be a racist dickbag until they put you in the ground is the same thing as changing your behavior and acknowleding your mistakes.


Hey, if George Wallace  deserves a pass for in his post assassination attempt years renouncing his former rhetoric, apologizing to those he hurt and trying to make amends by undergoing a race change and becoming a stand-up commedian, then I think we can give Byrd one too.
 
2013-09-12 04:20:26 PM
Jesse Helms was a fevered ego:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DX9T6A4lsk

(NSFW)

Keep up the crazy, Ted.  You just might get the GOP presidential nomination.  HEH-HEH!
 
2013-09-12 04:22:13 PM
Well if it did have 100 Jesse Helms in it, at least it would have 1 less Ted Cruz.
 
2013-09-12 04:24:11 PM

Pharque-it: Didn't Helms have a big dick?


Helms WAS a big dick.  And right now, as we post on FARK, Satan is proving to Jesse how inadequate Jesse is.
 
2013-09-12 04:27:52 PM
Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad. Step two is to make Ted Cruz their spokesman.
 
2013-09-12 04:28:14 PM

Cagey B: I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is merely your inability to recognize this strange thing known as an "apology", which comes from such alien, homo-Marxist concepts as "examining your own behavior" and "accepting that you can be wrong sometimes". Rather than something disingenuous like moving the goalposts after your idiotic response flops.


Well bless your heart.
 
2013-09-12 04:28:34 PM

Torgo_of_Manos: So back in about 1986 I had just started working as a waiter in a new
City Club in Charlotte.

One of my first shifts was a breakfast meeting that featured NC's senior senator, Jesse Helms...

As I was clearing plates and filling water, I walked past the head table and crop dusted the crap out of Mr. Helms.

It still is one of my proudest work moments.


You're an American Hero.
 
2013-09-12 04:34:10 PM
"The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint that's thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic, and interfere with other men's rights." (WRAL-TV commentary, 1963) - Helms

"Crime rates and irresponsibility among Negroes are a fact of life which must be faced." (New York Times, 2/8/81) -Helms

The country became a better place after he left office, North Carolina however is still a shiathole.
 
2013-09-12 04:39:47 PM
I grow more convinced every day that Cruz is nothing more than a giant piece of (fantastic) performance art.

/because if it isn't my brain will seriously want to flee this planet
 
2013-09-12 04:44:33 PM
Jesse Helms once said that NC didn't need a zoo, they just needed to put walls around Chapel Hill.
 
2013-09-12 04:47:26 PM
wait, it just occurred to me that Ted Cruz may be racist, i mean the kind of racist Helms was -the lighter shade of brown browns.
 
2013-09-12 04:47:31 PM
I feel sorry for all the pigs that were harvested so that guy's heart could keep function for an extra 15 years
 
2013-09-12 04:49:11 PM

zarberg: Jesse Helms once said that NC didn't need a zoo, they just needed to put walls around Chapel Hill.


You mean the University of Negroes and Communists?

/like Jesse Helms would have said 'Negroes'
 
2013-09-12 04:52:04 PM

Torgo_of_Manos: So back in about 1986 I had just started working as a waiter in a new
City Club in Charlotte.

One of my first shifts was a breakfast meeting that featured NC's senior senator, Jesse Helms...

As I was clearing plates and filling water, I walked past the head table and crop dusted the crap out of Mr. Helms.

It still is one of my proudest work moments.


Something new, every day, learned.
 
2013-09-12 05:07:24 PM

DamnYankees: What's interest about this is, as TFA says, Trent Lott's career basically ended for saying something similar. This Cruz quote is barely a blip and it won't cost him anything. The GOP seems to be getting MORE racist over time.


Non-racists have been purged. Racists have been recruited.
 
2013-09-12 05:07:57 PM

clancifer: As a Texan, I sincerely apologize for sending such an asshole to Washington.  Again.


I like him. And I'm glad my vote negates yours.
 
2013-09-12 05:08:05 PM

DamnYankees: What's interest about this is, as TFA says, Trent Lott's career basically ended for saying something similar. This Cruz quote is barely a blip and it won't cost him anything. The GOP seems to be getting MORE racist over time.


I don't agree, the statements are not similar. If Trent Lott had merely praised Strom Thurmond in general there would have been nothing objectionable about it. But Trent Lott specifically called out Strom Thurmond's 1948 Presidential campaign platform, which included segregation, as something which would have "avoided all these problems" --  the inescapable conclusion is that Trent Lott believed that America was better off with segregation.

Just saying you wish there were more Senators like Jesse Helms is fairly anodyne, no matter how much you personally dislike Helms or how reprehensibly Helms behaved while in the Senate.

(It *is* a stupid and tone-deaf statement by a member of a party struggling to cast off the reputation it gained by being represented by the likes of Jesse Helms...)
 
2013-09-12 05:08:09 PM

The RIchest Man in Babylon: I grow more convinced every day that Cruz is nothing more than a giant piece of (fantastic) performance art.

/because if it isn't my brain will seriously want to flee this planet


If you had no morals, you too could get rich off the Teatards.
 
2013-09-12 05:09:55 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Cagey B: I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is merely your inability to recognize this strange thing known as an "apology", which comes from such alien, homo-Marxist concepts as "examining your own behavior" and "accepting that you can be wrong sometimes". Rather than something disingenuous like moving the goalposts after your idiotic response flops.

Well bless your heart.


That's Southern for "I got nothin'"
 
2013-09-12 05:15:26 PM

MJMaloney187: clancifer: As a Texan, I sincerely apologize for sending such an asshole to Washington.  Again.

I like him. And I'm glad my vote negates yours.


Congrats on supporting an economically illiterate racist sh*tbag, I guess. You're a credit to the state.
 
2013-09-12 05:17:04 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: How does any of that change the fact that Cruz is racist sh*tbag and pandering asshat while still being considered a darling of the Tea Party? What kind of point could you possibly be making?


well you see, one time a democrat said something and furthermore
 
2013-09-12 05:17:34 PM

DamnYankees: Liberals are still the real racists. You know, for noticing.


DamnYankees: What's interest about this is, as TFA says, Trent Lott's career basically ended for saying something similar. This Cruz quote is barely a blip and it won't cost him anything. The GOP seems to be getting MORE racist over time.


So do you, apparently.

/me too, lol
 
2013-09-12 05:19:53 PM

cameroncrazy1984: That's Southern for "I got nothin'"


Well, let's see.

Cagey B: From the wikis:

In 1997, Byrd told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics but also: "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena."


Then in 2001 he made the comment that I linked. But wait!

Cagey B: Byrd also said, in 2005, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."


He really meant it that time. Pinky swear and all.

You betcha, Pumpkin.
 
2013-09-12 05:21:49 PM

StopLurkListen: DamnYankees: What's interest about this is, as TFA says, Trent Lott's career basically ended for saying something similar. This Cruz quote is barely a blip and it won't cost him anything. The GOP seems to be getting MORE racist over time.

I don't agree, the statements are not similar. If Trent Lott had merely praised Strom Thurmond in general there would have been nothing objectionable about it. But Trent Lott specifically called out Strom Thurmond's 1948 Presidential campaign platform, which included segregation, as something which would have "avoided all these problems" --  the inescapable conclusion is that Trent Lott believed that America was better off with segregation.

Just saying you wish there were more Senators like Jesse Helms is fairly anodyne, no matter how much you personally dislike Helms or how reprehensibly Helms behaved while in the Senate.

(It *is* a stupid and tone-deaf statement by a member of a party struggling to cast off the reputation it gained by being represented by the likes of Jesse Helms...)


Isn't Cruz saying that the US would be much better off if we'd elected a Senate full of virulent racists who supported segregation also? I'm confused as to what the distinction is.
 
2013-09-12 05:24:59 PM
Which current Democratic senator recently said we needed 100 Robert Byrds in the senate?
 
2013-09-12 05:28:36 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: MJMaloney187: clancifer: As a Texan, I sincerely apologize for sending such an asshole to Washington.  Again.

I like him. And I'm glad my vote negates yours.

Congrats on supporting an economically illiterate racist sh*tbag, I guess. You're a credit to the state.


The kind of racism you're insinuating is a total fabrication. You're deliberately being confrontational in support of a fantasy. That's called being disingenuous.

And yes, I am a credit to the State of Texas, but my heart will forever be with Louisiana, mon amour.
 
2013-09-12 05:31:43 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: clancifer: As a Texan, I sincerely apologize for sending such an asshole to Washington.  Again.

It's not your fault. There are lots of reasonable people who are just surrounded by assholes.

/Arizonan


Amen, Brother.

/Arizonan
 
2013-09-12 05:33:29 PM

Ring of Fire: Which current Democratic senator recently said we needed 100 Robert Byrds in the senate?


Even if they did, it wouldnt be at all the same thing. Byrd renounced his views and became a supporter of civil rights.
 
2013-09-12 05:35:56 PM

DamnYankees: StopLurkListen: DamnYankees: What's interest about this is, as TFA says, Trent Lott's career basically ended for saying something similar. This Cruz quote is barely a blip and it won't cost him anything. The GOP seems to be getting MORE racist over time.

I don't agree, the statements are not similar. If Trent Lott had merely praised Strom Thurmond in general there would have been nothing objectionable about it. But Trent Lott specifically called out Strom Thurmond's 1948 Presidential campaign platform, which included segregation, as something which would have "avoided all these problems" --  the inescapable conclusion is that Trent Lott believed that America was better off with segregation.

Just saying you wish there were more Senators like Jesse Helms is fairly anodyne, no matter how much you personally dislike Helms or how reprehensibly Helms behaved while in the Senate.

(It *is* a stupid and tone-deaf statement by a member of a party struggling to cast off the reputation it gained by being represented by the likes of Jesse Helms...)

Isn't Cruz saying that the US would be much better off if we'd elected a Senate full of virulent racists who supported segregation also? I'm confused as to what the distinction is.


It depends on what you think Jesse Helms' legacy is. Was he a virulent racist, a southern good ol' boy, an international diplomacy rube, a pro-business pol, a misogynist patriarch?  When you praise a person, it's up to you to decide what that person stand for. And Jesse Helms may be all, some, or partly any of those things. You can't assume everyone summarizes a person's legacy the same way you do. However, if you point out a specific thing that person did, then that narrows the subjectivity of it quite a lot.
 
2013-09-12 05:37:35 PM

MJMaloney187: UrukHaiGuyz: MJMaloney187: clancifer: As a Texan, I sincerely apologize for sending such an asshole to Washington.  Again.

I like him. And I'm glad my vote negates yours.

Congrats on supporting an economically illiterate racist sh*tbag, I guess. You're a credit to the state.

The kind of racism you're insinuating is a total fabrication. You're deliberately being confrontational in support of a fantasy. That's called being disingenuous.

And yes, I am a credit to the State of Texas, but my heart will forever be with Louisiana, mon amour.


Please don't call me "my love", it's creepy. (did you mean mon ami?) And yes, Cruz is a xenophobic, immigrant-hating racist hypocrite. I'm not being disingenuous in the least. The Tea Party is the bastion of hate-mongering bigots and racists, and he is proudly marching at the head of that parade of derp.
 
2013-09-12 05:38:59 PM

StopLurkListen: It depends on what you think Jesse Helms' legacy is. Was he a virulent racist, a southern good ol' boy, an international diplomacy rube, a pro-business pol, a misogynist patriarch?  When you praise a person, it's up to you to decide what that person stand for. And Jesse Helms may be all, some, or partly any of those things. You can't assume everyone summarizes a person's legacy the same way you do. However, if you point out a specific thing that person did, then that narrows the subjectivity of it quite a lot.


This is a fair argument. I'm sort of assuming that Helms' legacy is being a hateful bigot; I wasn't aware there was much dispute over that. Perhaps there is, though I'd argue that if you (the generic "you", not you, StopLurkListen) don't think his legacy is being a bigot, it means you're being willfully ignorant of that side of him, which sort of makes you a bit prejudiced as well.

Again, to be clear, that last sentence wasn't about you specifically. Just a general statement about Helms' legacy and people's reactions to it.
 
2013-09-12 05:39:45 PM

James!: 100 corpses?


It would be an improvement.
 
2013-09-12 05:45:53 PM
But Cruz is wrong. The broad public has consistently voiced its opposition to the GOP's anti-government mania. In last year's elections, it didn't just reject Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan

Yeah, man they were a couple of black bloc anarchists. Dodged that bullet.
 
2013-09-12 05:46:25 PM

BunkoSquad: zarberg: Jesse Helms once said that NC didn't need a zoo, they just needed to put walls around Chapel Hill.

You mean the University of Negroes and Communists?

/like Jesse Helms would have said 'Negroes'


"Nigrhas", more likely.  No southern boy raised before the Civil Rights movement managed to call them "negroes" unless he was taking the piss.
 
2013-09-12 05:48:44 PM

SkinnyHead: Cagey B: n 1997, Byrd told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics but also: "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena." In his last autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a KKK member because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision-a jejune and immature outlook-seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions."

Is that supposed to be some sort of an excuse?  Byrd became a leader in the KKK only to further his personal political ambitions?  He advises young people not to join the KKK because it will inhibit their ambitions in the political arena?  Sounds like someone who would sell his soul for personal ambition.

So this is the Robert Byrd that Hillary calls her mentor?  I guess that comes as no surprise.


Back in the day anyone who was everyone belonged to the KKK. I know that in Indiana for example for a time they held just about every elected position in the state. I think a Princess from Austria-Hungary went to Indy to give a talk about diversity and toletance just because of this.

My mother is from West Virginia and says it was the same thing there. Anyone of Helms' or Byrd's vintage in politics from certain areas of the country likely has a similar story.

After WWI bigotry was the order of the day. Germans had abandoned German here in the States and strengthened all the nativist movements that railed against any non-WASPs and WASPs who had too strong of an accent. The formal groups lost traction but their ideals formed the backbone of the McCarthy Era and the Red Scare. If you were different in any way you were a threat to society. After LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act the political machines based on nativism and bigotry were upended as backers for the most part switched parties. But there are a lot of people who quietly cling to "two seed creationism" and other racial identity ideologies in mainstream society and I assume it is just a matter of time until these groups rise again.
 
2013-09-12 05:49:40 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: MJMaloney187: UrukHaiGuyz: MJMaloney187: clancifer: As a Texan, I sincerely apologize for sending such an asshole to Washington.  Again.

I like him. And I'm glad my vote negates yours.

Congrats on supporting an economically illiterate racist sh*tbag, I guess. You're a credit to the state.

The kind of racism you're insinuating is a total fabrication. You're deliberately being confrontational in support of a fantasy. That's called being disingenuous.

And yes, I am a credit to the State of Texas, but my heart will forever be with Louisiana, mon amour.

Please don't call me "my love", it's creepy. (did you mean mon ami?) And yes, Cruz is a xenophobic, immigrant-hating racist hypocrite. I'm not being disingenuous in the least. The Tea Party is the bastion of hate-mongering bigots and racists, and he is proudly marching at the head of that parade of derp.


No, I definitely wasn't saying "my love" with you in mind. I stole that from Andrei Codrescu's book "New Orleans, Mon Amour". I should know better than to trust the spelling of a filthy gypsy.

Cruz is none of those things. If he were, then you could hyperlink some supporting documentation. If you can show me evidence of Cruz's xenophobia, then I'll apologize.
 
2013-09-12 05:50:23 PM

DamnYankees: Ring of Fire: Which current Democratic senator recently said we needed 100 Robert Byrds in the senate?

Even if they did, it wouldnt be at all the same thing. Byrd renounced his views and became a supporter of civil rights.


I'm aware I'm just wondering why there is so much talk about him in this thread. I guess republicans think that because a democrat was racist 60 years ago that is the same thing as a current US Senator wanting 100 racists in the senate.
 
2013-09-12 05:55:33 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: Torgo_of_Manos: So back in about 1986 I had just started working as a waiter in a new
City Club in Charlotte.

One of my first shifts was a breakfast meeting that featured NC's senior senator, Jesse Helms...

As I was clearing plates and filling water, I walked past the head table and crop dusted the crap out of Mr. Helms.

It still is one of my proudest work moments.

You're an American Hero.


Seconded. And I don't even know what he meant by "crop dusted".  Am assuming it was something unpleasant.
 
2013-09-12 06:00:14 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: cameroncrazy1984: That's Southern for "I got nothin'"

Well, let's see. Cagey B: From the wikis:

In 1997, Byrd told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics but also: "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena."

Then in 2001 he made the comment that I linked. But wait!

Cagey B: Byrd also said, in 2005, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."

He really meant it that time. Pinky swear and all.

You betcha, Pumpkin.



Try harder.
 
2013-09-12 06:00:54 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: Seconded. And I don't even know what he meant by "crop dusted".  Am assuming it was something unpleasant.


I'm assuming he means a drive-by farting.

Probably not this:

img2-2.timeinc.net
 
2013-09-12 06:02:36 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: Almost Everybody Poops: Torgo_of_Manos: So back in about 1986 I had just started working as a waiter in a new
City Club in Charlotte.

One of my first shifts was a breakfast meeting that featured NC's senior senator, Jesse Helms...

As I was clearing plates and filling water, I walked past the head table and crop dusted the crap out of Mr. Helms.

It still is one of my proudest work moments.

You're an American Hero.

Seconded. And I don't even know what he meant by "crop dusted".  Am assuming it was something unpleasant.


I'm guessing he means he dumped crumbs and junk from the tables he cleaned up in Helms' hair.
 
2013-09-12 06:07:52 PM

Geotpf: Mambo Bananapatch: Almost Everybody Poops: Torgo_of_Manos: So back in about 1986 I had just started working as a waiter in a new
City Club in Charlotte.

One of my first shifts was a breakfast meeting that featured NC's senior senator, Jesse Helms...

As I was clearing plates and filling water, I walked past the head table and crop dusted the crap out of Mr. Helms.

It still is one of my proudest work moments.

You're an American Hero.

Seconded. And I don't even know what he meant by "crop dusted".  Am assuming it was something unpleasant.

I'm guessing he means he dumped crumbs and junk from the tables he cleaned up in Helms' hair.



I thought he sneezed on him. Or jizzed.
 
2013-09-12 06:16:06 PM

MJMaloney187: UrukHaiGuyz: MJMaloney187: UrukHaiGuyz: MJMaloney187: clancifer: As a Texan, I sincerely apologize for sending such an asshole to Washington.  Again.

I like him. And I'm glad my vote negates yours.

Congrats on supporting an economically illiterate racist sh*tbag, I guess. You're a credit to the state.

The kind of racism you're insinuating is a total fabrication. You're deliberately being confrontational in support of a fantasy. That's called being disingenuous.

And yes, I am a credit to the State of Texas, but my heart will forever be with Louisiana, mon amour.

Please don't call me "my love", it's creepy. (did you mean mon ami?) And yes, Cruz is a xenophobic, immigrant-hating racist hypocrite. I'm not being disingenuous in the least. The Tea Party is the bastion of hate-mongering bigots and racists, and he is proudly marching at the head of that parade of derp.

No, I definitely wasn't saying "my love" with you in mind. I stole that from Andrei Codrescu's book "New Orleans, Mon Amour". I should know better than to trust the spelling of a filthy gypsy.

Cruz is none of those things. If he were, then you could hyperlink some supporting documentation. If you can show me evidence of Cruz's xenophobia, then I'll apologize.


http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/ted-cruz-texas-senate-conspi ra cy-theories

He's a gay bashing bigot who thinks "sharia law" is a big problem in the States and made a campaign ad about his successfully lobbying to execute an illegal immigrant in violation of international treaties. I'm amazed anyone takes him at all seriously.
 
2013-09-12 06:23:10 PM
If the Senate had 100 Jesse Helms', does that mean Cruz wouldn't actually be in the senate? Because that might make it worth it...
 
2013-09-12 06:26:37 PM
The mid-terms are more than a year away. There is no way an American is going to remember something that long.
 
2013-09-12 06:30:35 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: MJMaloney187: UrukHaiGuyz: MJMaloney187: UrukHaiGuyz: MJMaloney187: clancifer: As a Texan, I sincerely apologize for sending such an asshole to Washington.  Again.

I like him. And I'm glad my vote negates yours.

Congrats on supporting an economically illiterate racist sh*tbag, I guess. You're a credit to the state.

The kind of racism you're insinuating is a total fabrication. You're deliberately being confrontational in support of a fantasy. That's called being disingenuous.

And yes, I am a credit to the State of Texas, but my heart will forever be with Louisiana, mon amour.

Please don't call me "my love", it's creepy. (did you mean mon ami?) And yes, Cruz is a xenophobic, immigrant-hating racist hypocrite. I'm not being disingenuous in the least. The Tea Party is the bastion of hate-mongering bigots and racists, and he is proudly marching at the head of that parade of derp.

No, I definitely wasn't saying "my love" with you in mind. I stole that from Andrei Codrescu's book "New Orleans, Mon Amour". I should know better than to trust the spelling of a filthy gypsy.

Cruz is none of those things. If he were, then you could hyperlink some supporting documentation. If you can show me evidence of Cruz's xenophobia, then I'll apologize.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/ted-cruz-texas-senate-conspi ra cy-theories

He's a gay bashing bigot who thinks "sharia law" is a big problem in the States and made a campaign ad about his successfully lobbying to execute an illegal immigrant in violation of international treaties. I'm amazed anyone takes him at all seriously.


Wait a minute, folks...the grounds crew is coming out...they're, why yes the appear to making some adjustments to the uprights.  Well, this is unprecedented.  We'll see how this all works out, right after these messages.
 
2013-09-12 06:31:34 PM
I'm not sure what Byrd has to do with this thread. Did some liberal presidential candidate just say that the Senate would be better with 100 Robert Byrds? If it turns out Byrd was still racist when he died, does that mean the GOP is no longer packed with imbeciles?

Remember when I got caught stealing all those watches from Sears? Well, that's nothing because Robert Byrd was racist! And remember when I let that escaped lunatic in the house because he was dressed like Santa Claus? Well, Robert Byrd was racist!"

Byrd's dead. The idea that mixing races is wrong is dying. And when that's gone, your party will be gone too Republicans. I know, you want your country back. And maybe in a Jacob's Ladder moment before you die, you will have it. Only for an instant, but on the plus side it's closer than you think. Blame your diet.
 
2013-09-12 06:35:33 PM
I am sincerely afraid that the stupids are winning.
 
2013-09-12 06:38:25 PM
If Jesse Helms had gotten his way, Rafael & his wingnuttier father would be harvesting sugar cane for Batista & Lansky's heirs.
 
2013-09-12 07:00:32 PM

Notabunny: The mid-terms are more than a year away. There is no way an American is going to remember something that long.


The internet never forgets.
 
2013-09-12 07:19:30 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: MJMaloney187: UrukHaiGuyz: MJMaloney187: UrukHaiGuyz: MJMaloney187: clancifer: As a Texan, I sincerely apologize for sending such an asshole to Washington.  Again.

I like him. And I'm glad my vote negates yours.

Congrats on supporting an economically illiterate racist sh*tbag, I guess. You're a credit to the state.

The kind of racism you're insinuating is a total fabrication. You're deliberately being confrontational in support of a fantasy. That's called being disingenuous.

And yes, I am a credit to the State of Texas, but my heart will forever be with Louisiana, mon amour.

Please don't call me "my love", it's creepy. (did you mean mon ami?) And yes, Cruz is a xenophobic, immigrant-hating racist hypocrite. I'm not being disingenuous in the least. The Tea Party is the bastion of hate-mongering bigots and racists, and he is proudly marching at the head of that parade of derp.

No, I definitely wasn't saying "my love" with you in mind. I stole that from Andrei Codrescu's book "New Orleans, Mon Amour". I should know better than to trust the spelling of a filthy gypsy.

Cruz is none of those things. If he were, then you could hyperlink some supporting documentation. If you can show me evidence of Cruz's xenophobia, then I'll apologize.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/ted-cruz-texas-senate-conspi ra cy-theories

He's a gay bashing bigot who thinks "sharia law" is a big problem in the States and made a campaign ad about his successfully lobbying to execute an illegal immigrant in violation of international treaties. I'm amazed anyone takes him at all seriously.


Aw, com'n man, the illegal immigrant he helped put down raped and killed two teen-aged girls in Houston. Don't come to Texas and get all rapey. Senior Medellin could have been from Sweden, the outcome would have been the same. That doesn't make Cruz a bigot. Tim Murphy is a sm*rtass anyway. You shouldn't take HIM seriously. And you sound like a(n) hysterical woman when you say things like "gay bashing" because that's about as rare as shark attacks (unless of course you live under Sharia Law).

So to sum up: you hate a guy who 1) sends rapists to hell and 2) protects gays from having their heads cut off by Islamic fundamentalists.

In fact, a big ol Mosque just popped up behind Bush International Airport. Ain't nobody in Texas bashing gay Muslims, Hoss.
 
2013-09-12 07:20:43 PM
If he's talking about the Jesse Helms who came around at the end of his life and realized how unnecessarily shiatty he'd been to people along the way, then sure.

i.huffpost.com

About the only other good thing I can say about Helms is that thanks to being a rabid anti-Communist he was one of the few in Washington who was right about what Robert Mugabe was going to do to Rhodesia.
 
2013-09-12 08:02:08 PM

MisterTweak: Dr Dreidel: DamnYankees: What's interest about this is, as TFA says, Trent Lott's career basically ended for saying something similar. This Cruz quote is barely a blip and it won't cost him anything. The GOP seems to be getting MORE racist over time.

IIRC, Cruz was quoting...someone. Sure, he agreed with the cite, but it's not like Cruz came up with that on his own. And he did explain why he wanted 100 Jesse Helmseseses in the Senate - to stop the creep of socialism.

I'd be totally okay with that idea, as long as we stopped socialism for Joe Six-pack and Mitt Romney at the same time, and made every suburban commuter who writes off mortgage interest put a bumper sticker with "WELFARE RECIPIENT" on their car - after waiting in line five hours to pee into a jar for a surly worker who will process their drug specimen while holding three cellphone conversations at the same time.

If socialism is bad, it's bad. Let's rip it out everywhere it exists.


Newsletter..signup..yadda..yadda.
 
2013-09-12 08:06:58 PM

Gulper Eel: If he's talking about the Jesse Helms who came around at the end of his life and realized how unnecessarily shiatty he'd been to people along the way, then sure.


Citation needed.

(No, really, I'm legitimately curious.)
 
2013-09-12 08:25:12 PM
Helms was a scumbag.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/111791
 
2013-09-12 09:01:06 PM

James!: 100 corpses?


See, it WOULD be better, because then they'd all be dead and we could start over.
 
2013-09-12 09:48:25 PM

MJMaloney187: UrukHaiGuyz: MJMaloney187: clancifer: As a Texan, I sincerely apologize for sending such an asshole to Washington.  Again.

I like him. And I'm glad my vote negates yours.

Congrats on supporting an economically illiterate racist sh*tbag, I guess. You're a credit to the state.

The kind of racism you're insinuating is a total fabrication. You're deliberately being confrontational in support of a fantasy. That's called being disingenuous.

And yes, I am a credit to the State of Texas, but my heart will forever be with Louisiana, mon amour.


So you're a remedial valedictorian screwing the short bus hottie; got ya.
 
2013-09-12 10:08:15 PM

MJMaloney187: So to sum up: you hate a guy who 1) sends rapists to hell and 2) protects gays from having their heads cut off by Islamic fundamentalists.


"When the mayor of a city chooses twice to march in a parade celebrating gay pride, that's a statement. It's not a statement I believe in"  -Ted Cruz

So yeah, your full of crap, and intellectually dishonest people like you are why I no longer miss Texas.
 
2013-09-12 10:08:39 PM
Doesn't he realize that this would mean.... oh, forget it
 
2013-09-12 10:21:17 PM
ROBERT BYRD WAS A PROUD KLANSMAN HIS ENTIRE LIFE AND NEVER ONCE RECANTED.  THEREFORE ALL democrats ARE VILE RACIST SCUM AND PLUS ALSO TOO
 
2013-09-12 10:25:28 PM
I love the rich irony that Senator Cruz wants more of a guy who would not have tolerated his presence - in the country, let alone in the Senate.
 
2013-09-12 10:27:11 PM

Armadillo Slim: I love the rich irony that Senator Cruz wants more of a guy who would not have tolerated his presence - in the country, let alone in the Senate.


Like when Sarah Palin goes on about returning to the values of our founding fathers.... you know they guys who didn't think women should be allowed to vote?
 
2013-09-12 11:43:36 PM

blastoh: Armadillo Slim: I love the rich irony that Senator Cruz wants more of a guy who would not have tolerated his presence - in the country, let alone in the Senate.

Like when Sarah Palin goes on about returning to the values of our founding fathers.... you know they guys who didn't think women should be allowed to vote?


Look, it's different because.
 
2013-09-13 12:52:08 AM
He'll probably be elected governor of Texas now.
 
2013-09-13 01:11:52 AM
 
2013-09-13 04:13:18 AM
The theory I heard earlier was that if the Senate does anything to punish him over this, he can call the whole lot of them RINOs, and the Republican base will believe him.  It's a really sick thing.
 
2013-09-13 04:20:26 AM

DamnYankees: What's interest about this is, as TFA says, Trent Lott's career basically ended for saying something similar. This Cruz quote is barely a blip and it won't cost him anything. The GOP seems to be getting MORE racist over time.


The difference being that Strom Thurman actually changed his mind on the whole being a racist thing by the time Trent Lott said it would have been a better place with Strom as president.
 
2013-09-13 04:27:02 AM

Pharque-it: Didn't Helms have a big dick?


Yeah, and he was into 100 man circle jerks. This whole flap is actually just an elaborate inside joke, Cruz will explain it all later.
 
2013-09-13 06:56:49 AM
Thanks for reminding me, Fark - I haven't stopped by Oakwood Cemetery this year to take a steaming shiat on Jesse's grave.
 
2013-09-13 07:45:45 AM

DamnYankees: Liberals are still the real racists. You know, for noticing.


well, people who are racist against ME tend to be liberals.  I have certainly noticed that.
 
2013-09-13 07:47:35 AM

Aaron Haynes: Citation needed.

(No, really, I'm legitimately curious.)


Okay, but you have to read Bono saying nice things about Jesse.
 
2013-09-13 11:43:37 AM

MJMaloney187: He's a gay bashing bigot who thinks "sharia law" is a big problem in the States and made a campaign ad about his successfully lobbying to execute an illegal immigrant in violation of international treaties. I'm amazed anyone takes him at all seriously.

Aw, com'n man, the illegal immigrant he helped put down raped and killed two teen-aged girls in Houston. Don't come to Texas and get all rapey. Senior Medellin could have been from Sweden, the outcome would have been the same. That doesn't make Cruz a bigot. Tim Murphy is a sm*rtass anyway. You shouldn't take HIM seriously. And you sound like a(n) hysterical woman when you say things like "gay bashing" because that's about as rare as shark attacks (unless of course you live under Sharia Law).

So to sum up: you hate a guy who 1) sends rapists to hell and 2) protects gays from having their heads cut off by Islamic fundamentalists.

In fact, a big ol Mosque just popped up behind Bush International Airport. Ain't nobody in Texas bashing gay Muslims, Hoss.


I know this thread's pretty dead, but I just wanted to pop in and say that to be fair, I couldn't find any direct quotes of Cruz being an outright racist. When I say "gay bashing" I don't mean he's actually beating up homosexuals. He does pander to the bigots that flood Texas with derp by saying things like:
"If you look at other nations that have gone down the road towards gay marriage, that's the next step of where it gets enforced. It gets enforced against Christian pastors who decline to perform gay marriages, who speak out and preach biblical truths on marriage and that has been defined elsewhere as hate speech - as inconsistent with the enlightened view of government."

This whole thread is about his idolization of an unabashedly racist Senator, someone Cruz is proud to have given his first political donation to.
 
2013-09-13 11:24:10 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: MJMaloney187: He's a gay bashing bigot who thinks "sharia law" is a big problem in the States and made a campaign ad about his successfully lobbying to execute an illegal immigrant in violation of international treaties. I'm amazed anyone takes him at all seriously.

Aw, com'n man, the illegal immigrant he helped put down raped and killed two teen-aged girls in Houston. Don't come to Texas and get all rapey. Senior Medellin could have been from Sweden, the outcome would have been the same. That doesn't make Cruz a bigot. Tim Murphy is a sm*rtass anyway. You shouldn't take HIM seriously. And you sound like a(n) hysterical woman when you say things like "gay bashing" because that's about as rare as shark attacks (unless of course you live under Sharia Law).

So to sum up: you hate a guy who 1) sends rapists to hell and 2) protects gays from having their heads cut off by Islamic fundamentalists.

In fact, a big ol Mosque just popped up behind Bush International Airport. Ain't nobody in Texas bashing gay Muslims, Hoss.

I know this thread's pretty dead, but I just wanted to pop in and say that to be fair, I couldn't find any direct quotes of Cruz being an outright racist. When I say "gay bashing" I don't mean he's actually beating up homosexuals. He does pander to the bigots that flood Texas with derp by saying things like:
"If you look at other nations that have gone down the road towards gay marriage, that's the next step of where it gets enforced. It gets enforced against Christian pastors who decline to perform gay marriages, who speak out and preach biblical truths on marriage and that has been defined elsewhere as hate speech - as inconsistent with the enlightened view of government."

This whole thread is about his idolization of an unabashedly racist Senator, someone Cruz is proud to have given his first political donation to.


Cruz is expressing a legitimate concern regarding the unintended consequences of defining gay marriage as a civil right. His concerns are not hateful, they're unpopular. Cruz is one of the good guys, you betta bee-lee-dat.
 
2013-09-13 11:40:56 PM

blastoh: MJMaloney187: So to sum up: you hate a guy who 1) sends rapists to hell and 2) protects gays from having their heads cut off by Islamic fundamentalists.

"When the mayor of a city chooses twice to march in a parade celebrating gay pride, that's a statement. It's not a statement I believe in"  -Ted Cruz

So yeah, your full of crap, and intellectually dishonest people like you are why I no longer miss Texas.


As a rule, the open expression of sexuality is not dignified. Cruz is speaking conservatively when he says "marching in a gay pride parade is a statement." That's his opinion and he's certainly entitled to it, by law, which he consistently defers to.
 
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