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(Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)   Lawyer for family suing zoo is "outraged" that the zoo would "attack" the poor grieving family by pointing out their son probably wouldn't have died if Mom hadn't lifted him over the safety railing and them dropped him into a wild dog exhbit   (post-gazette.com ) divider line
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2013-09-12 02:22:05 PM  
Robert Mongeluzzi, who represents the Derkosh family, called the zoo's conduct "unconscionable."

"I think blaming the mother is unwarranted and wrong especially given that they were warned by their own employees of that very conduct," he said. "I think their attack on the Derkosh family is awful."


Telling the truth is NOT an attack. God forbid she actually owns up to her actions.
 
2013-09-12 02:24:36 PM  
This is the America we've created.

Let's start putting parents over the railings.
 
2013-09-12 02:30:34 PM  
I really do feel sorry for the family, but she's a f*cking idiot.
 
2013-09-12 02:34:54 PM  
"A dingo ate my baby!".
 
2013-09-12 02:43:39 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Robert Mongeluzzi, who represents the Derkosh family, called the zoo's conduct "unconscionable."

"I think blaming the mother is unwarranted and wrong especially given that they were warned by their own employees of that very conduct," he said. "I think their attack on the Derkosh family is awful."

Telling the truth is NOT an attack. God forbid she actually owns up to her actions.


There's no money in personal accountability.
 
2013-09-12 02:44:04 PM  
I was almost frantic with concern when I saw this thread go more than 10 minutes without a dingo comment. I was beginning to question everything I know about Fark, whether I had somehow shifted into some alternate reality where nothing made sense anymore, whether everything I had once believed in was dead, gone, destroyed. Thankyou, TheDumbBlonde, for restoring my faith.
 
2013-09-12 02:48:32 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: "A dingo ate my baby!".


I was visiting Australia around the time after Azaria Chamberlain's death by dingo and was amazed the Australians all assumed she and her husband killed the baby. The general public there just couldn't seem to believe a wild dingo could take a nine-week-old baby and eat it. The jokes they made were dark and funny though.

As I'm from Florida, a baby getting killed and eaten by a wild animal isn't unknown. Seemed like the Australian media whipped the public up into a frenzy that the parents killed their baby, instead of believing the more logical cause.

Glad our American media doesn't do the same thing here, mates.
 
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2013-09-12 03:06:59 PM  

scottydoesntknow: God forbid she actually owns up to her actions.


This is a woman who named her son "Maddox".  She probably already had a school picked out for the two year old.
 
2013-09-12 03:14:16 PM  

wee: scottydoesntknow: God forbid she actually owns up to her actions.

This is a woman who named her son "Maddox".  She probably already had a school picked out for the two year old.


maybe she wasn't careless when she held the kid over the railing. maybe the kid jumped becasue his mom named him Maddox. I guess it's still her fault though.
 
2013-09-12 03:28:37 PM  

wee: scottydoesntknow: God forbid she actually owns up to her actions.

This is a woman who named her son "Maddox".  She probably already had a school picked out for the two year old.


Look, what part of Mom's story DON'T you understand?  The Plexiglass was DIRTY and HER son has VISION PROBLEMS!  So, OF COURSE she had to hoist him over the saftey railing and dangle him 15 feet over a pit of hungry predators, so he could get a better look.   AND There were NO signs saying that it could be dangerous to deliberatly bypass the Zoo's safety measures ANYWHERE.  Not to mention the Zooo CLEARLY should have provided some sort of complimentary Safety harness so she could hang on better, and Finally, what kind of negligent, poorly run Zoo doesn't have crack snipers with tranquilizer guns stationed at all their exhibit just in case a vistor makes a perfectly reasonable minor mistake and needs the Zoo staff to instantly rescue them?

It's simply MONSTROUS  that instead of fesing up to thie rmisdeed and abjectly apologizing with a 7 figure check, the Zoo has the copper-plated GALL to suggest MOM is somehow the one at fault here....
 
2013-09-12 03:29:09 PM  
Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?
 
2013-09-12 03:30:52 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: scottydoesntknow: Robert Mongeluzzi, who represents the Derkosh family, called the zoo's conduct "unconscionable."

"I think blaming the mother is unwarranted and wrong especially given that they were warned by their own employees of that very conduct," he said. "I think their attack on the Derkosh family is awful."

Telling the truth is NOT an attack. God forbid she actually owns up to her actions.

There's no money in personal accountability.


CORRECTION:
There's no money in TAKING personal accountability.

/there's bail bonding, repossession services, eviction services, pawn brokering, paycheck loans, title loans, etc, etc, etc
 
2013-09-12 03:31:49 PM  

Ennuipoet: This is the America we've created.

Let's start putting lawyers  parents over the railings.



ftfm.
 
2013-09-12 03:31:55 PM  
I'm pretty sure her son would have died no matter what. Might not be in this day but eventually he would have died.
 
2013-09-12 03:32:18 PM  
Never mind all that.  Who do the dogs pick to go to the Super Bowl?
ll-media.tmz.com
 
2013-09-12 03:32:36 PM  

AirForceVet: TheDumbBlonde: "A dingo ate my baby!".

I was visiting Australia around the time after Azaria Chamberlain's death by dingo and was amazed the Australians all assumed she and her husband killed the baby. The general public there just couldn't seem to believe a wild dingo could take a nine-week-old baby and eat it. The jokes they made were dark and funny though.

As I'm from Florida, a baby getting killed and eaten by a wild animal isn't unknown. Seemed like the Australian media whipped the public up into a frenzy that the parents killed their baby, instead of believing the more logical cause.

Glad our American media doesn't do the same thing here, mates.


Seems like that's backwards.  I'd assume many more kids are killed by their parents, either overtly or through neglect or accident, than are eaten by wild animals.
 
2013-09-12 03:32:45 PM  
I'm impressed the zoo has the balls to counter-blame the parent.  Usually they just shut-up and settle, no?
 
2013-09-12 03:32:51 PM  

R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?


Should have pressed them immediately  but this is shiatsberg, so you're dealing with a mass population of retards, corrupt pigs, and a court system designed to give a cheap squeak to anyone who isn't black.
 
2013-09-12 03:33:56 PM  
Why is this mother not on trial for child endangerment at the least?  You dropped your baby into a pit of wild animals you crazy biatch.  Kill yourself.
 
2013-09-12 03:34:00 PM  
At least the lawyer didn't accuse her of trying to profit from the kids death.  I'd say he showed pretty good restraint on that part.
 
2013-09-12 03:34:03 PM  

wee: scottydoesntknow: God forbid she actually owns up to her actions.

This is a woman who named her son "Maddox".  She probably already had a school picked out for the two year old.


No.  It wasn't just Maddox.  It was  Maddox Derkosh.  I'm fairly certain that in 30 or 40 years he would have been holding Europe hostage from within Kazakhstan with a stolen MIRV ICMB.

This was for the best.
 
2013-09-12 03:34:19 PM  
It is people like this waste of oxygen that  we lose things like zoos. Its tragic the boy? died but using this as an opportunity for a payday is just beyond awful. I hope the mother gets Lou Gehrig's disease.
 
2013-09-12 03:34:54 PM  
I guess she proved late term abortions are possible without a jail term.
 
2013-09-12 03:36:09 PM  

R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?


That's cute.  Everyone knows only fathers can be guilty of gross negligence and neglect.
 
2013-09-12 03:36:14 PM  
I did feel bad for her, but not anymore.  She did something incredibly stupid with her kid, and while we all do it to some degree, her mistake had tragic consequences.  Instead of learning from that, she's obviously ignored the incredible guilt she feels because if I were her, there would have been no way on god's green earth that I wouldn't have plunged down into that pit to die with my son as well after doing something so so SOOOOO stupid.

Amazingly, I've taken both of my kids to that zoo, and neither one has been mauled to death by animals.  Guess we're just anomalies.
 
2013-09-12 03:37:42 PM  
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2013-09-12 03:38:27 PM  

wee: scottydoesntknow: God forbid she actually owns up to her actions.

This is a woman who named her son "Maddox".  She probably already had a school picked out for the two year old.


Dumbass Elementary.
 
2013-09-12 03:40:11 PM  
Really? No one has posted this yet?
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2013-09-12 03:40:30 PM  

R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?


They would have to prove she deliberately dropped the kid and that is not an easy thing to do.
 
2013-09-12 03:41:05 PM  
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2013-09-12 03:41:21 PM  

Magorn: It's simply MONSTROUS  that instead of fesing up to thie rmisdeed and abjectly apologizing with a 7 figure check, the Zoo has the copper-plated GALL to suggest MOM is somehow the one at fault here....


This is so common it amazes me. I run a rental building and during showings bring people to the roofdeck to let them see it. All the time, mom or dad will lift 3 year old Ayden over the brick railing for a better view. Or my personal favorite, when adults allow their toddlers to run around willy nilly in the dog run and let them pull the dog's ears. Cause you know, when the kid gets bit its the DOG'S fault, amiright?
 
2013-09-12 03:41:43 PM  
"it's sad to see a family torn apart...

...by a pack of wild dogs"
-Jack Handey
 
2013-09-12 03:42:25 PM  

R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?


This
 
2013-09-12 03:42:32 PM  

MBooda: Never mind all that.  Who do the dogs pick to go to the Super Bowl?
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The Longhorns.  Wild dogs want steak.  To win the superbowl.
 
2013-09-12 03:44:50 PM  
Darwinism by proxy.

Stupid woman reproduces and then does something stupid resulting in the death of her little snowflake. Stupid genes removed from gene pool, all's well. It's a shame though that the woman didn't jump in after the kid and get mauled to death herself. That would have been hilarious.

/yes, a window seat will be fine thanks.
 
2013-09-12 03:45:35 PM  

monoski: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

This


If she didn't sue the zoo, I would say let her go without charges. Its a tragedy enough, and obviously a stupid (really, really really stupid) mistake. Taking personal responsibility for killing your own child is punishment enough.

But now that's she's trying to shift blame onto the zoo... I saw make her pay. She's obviously learned nothing.
 
2013-09-12 03:45:54 PM  

grimlock1972: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

They would have to prove she deliberately dropped the kid and that is not an easy thing to do.


Even for endangering a child? Lifting them over the friggin railing and dropping them is negligent
 
2013-09-12 03:46:37 PM  
zoo should counter-sue for the cost of replacing the endangered animal they had to shoot in attempting to save the kid.
 
2013-09-12 03:47:45 PM  

grimlock1972: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

They would have to prove she deliberately dropped the kid and that is not an easy thing to do.


It doesn't have to be murder.  There are other charges such as child endangerment and even criminally negligent homocide.
 
2013-09-12 03:48:14 PM  

Lollipop165: Magorn: It's simply MONSTROUS  that instead of fesing up to thie rmisdeed and abjectly apologizing with a 7 figure check, the Zoo has the copper-plated GALL to suggest MOM is somehow the one at fault here....

This is so common it amazes me. I run a rental building and during showings bring people to the roofdeck to let them see it. All the time, mom or dad will lift 3 year old Ayden over the brick railing for a better view. Or my personal favorite, when adults allow their toddlers to run around willy nilly in the dog run and let them pull the dog's ears. Cause you know, when the kid gets bit its the DOG'S fault, amiright?


They've wrapped their world in foam and have assumed everybody else has done the same. It all comes back to that false sense of parental entitlement. The world is supposed to cater to them now because they made a baby.
 
2013-09-12 03:48:27 PM  
this is like the mom dropping her kid off the roof of a tall building. then blaming the city and the building for the kid hitting the sidewalk.you know, because they own the sidewalk.. pretty damn dumb..

/it is tragic though
 
2013-09-12 03:49:17 PM  
Normally I'd agree that blaming a parent for a death in the midst of a lawsuit is scummy, but it appears warranted in this case.

Why the fark do people not understand that safety warnings apply to them, too? It's not like a speed limit or some stupid rule that is annoying and seemingly designed only to give govt entities an excuse to fine you.

It's an actual safety measure designed to keep you from dying. Why the fark do people ignore shiat like that? So the kid can get a better look at a bunch of dogs?

I feel certain she'll be blaming herself for his death until she herself dies. And she should. Because it is her fault, if the situation is as the story describes.

I've seen people prop their very young children on the railing at the zoo. Idiots.
 
2013-09-12 03:50:57 PM  

Ennuipoet: This is the America we've created.

Let's start putting parents over the railings.


Sometimes you just have to go with the America that you have instead of the America that you wish you had.

/we really do need to fill up the 'B' Ark soon and launch it
 
2013-09-12 03:52:26 PM  
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2013-09-12 03:52:55 PM  

R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?


Criminal negligence or involuntary manslaughter? Hmmm.

You're right though. She should be held accountable and her attorney should face some discipline for even entertaining the idea of suing.
 
2013-09-12 03:53:25 PM  

bborchar: grimlock1972: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

They would have to prove she deliberately dropped the kid and that is not an easy thing to do.

It doesn't have to be murder.  There are other charges such as child endangerment and even criminally negligent homocide.


Reckless endangerment spring quickly to mind as a slam-dunk in this case.  I figure the non-chares are a case of the prosecutors figuring that she's been punished enough for her stupidity and that jail isn't going to do anyone any good.
 
2013-09-12 03:53:59 PM  
There's just so much about this story that I cannot understand.  Firstly, how anyone could be stupid enough to hold their baby over a pit of wild animals, and secondly, how you could drop your baby into a pit of wild animals and not immediately jump in after him to try and protect him until help arrived.  To drop your baby, and then just stand up there and do nothing to try and help, is just farking incomprehensible to me.
 
2013-09-12 03:54:03 PM  
Maddox died Nov. 4

blog.cassiopeia.ca

A firetruck came to rescue him but it looked like this
 
2013-09-12 03:54:49 PM  
Don't get me wrong, she most likely was just really REALLY stupid, and is heartbroken that her stupidity resulted in the death of her kid. It's damn sad. She really needs to be taken out of society if she is in fact that stupid though.
 
2013-09-12 03:55:03 PM  

bborchar: grimlock1972: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

They would have to prove she deliberately dropped the kid and that is not an easy thing to do.

It doesn't have to be murder.  There are other charges such as child endangerment and even criminally negligent homocide.


THIS
 
2013-09-12 03:55:04 PM  

vudukungfu: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

Should have pressed them immediately  but this is shiatsberg, so you're dealing with a mass population of retards, corrupt pigs, and a court system designed to give a cheap squeak to anyone who isn't black.


You sound like a fun person without any issues.
 
2013-09-12 03:55:33 PM  

Blues_X: I really do feel sorry for the family, but she's a f*cking idiot.


This.  Everything about the enclosure was up to code.  And she is claiming that the boy "wrenched out of her arms".  Really?!  How high were you holding him, and how tightly?  How close to the railing were you?

What sucks about this is that it will cost so much money for the zoo to defend itself that they will have pretty much no choice but to settle out of court.
 
2013-09-12 03:56:38 PM  
At least the stupid yinzers helped clean up the gene pool.
 
2013-09-12 03:56:40 PM  
grimlock1972: They would have to prove she deliberately dropped the kid and that is not an easy thing to do.

You do know that "murder" isn't the only thing on the table, right? Child endangerment, for one. I'm pretty sure dropping your kid into a pit of meat-eating teddy bears counts as "danger."

I think she wasn't charged for the same reason 90-year olds who go the wrong way on freeways are also not charged. They figure the experience is traumatic enough, pat them on the head and send them on their way.

/I don't agree with that notion. Throw the book at her, especially now that she's digging for gold.
 
2013-09-12 03:57:11 PM  
If she gave a shiat about the kid, she would have jumped in and fought the dogs to her last breath. She may have even done that shiat on purpose. It would an easy way to turn a unwanted kid into a million bucks. She should charged with manslaughter, or at least reckless endangerment of a child.
 
2013-09-12 03:57:17 PM  
Bull Dogshiat! She threw her kid in for a fat check.

assets.nydailynews.com

A small net is seen stretched out under the observation deck's viewing area. It was meant to catch items like cellphones and sunglasses, but Maddox bounced off it and into the pit according to the family.

I didn't see anything in the story about witnesses
 
2013-09-12 03:59:33 PM  

Lollipop165: This is so common it amazes me. I run a rental building and during showings bring people to the roofdeck to let them see it. All the time, mom or dad will lift 3 year old Ayden over the brick railing for a better view. Or my personal favorite, when adults allow their toddlers to run around willy nilly in the dog run and let them pull the dog's ears. Cause you know, when the kid gets bit its the DOG'S fault, amiright?


Legally, yes.  And it pisses me off.  As far as I know no one has ever been able to sucessfully beat a "viscious dog" charge when someone decides that a dog biting them is a sign something is wrong with the dog.  I've lost dogs this way, so have plenty of other farkers.  People will illicit a bite from a dog and will take revenge on the animal for their ignorance of animal behavior.  Some people simply refuse to accept that animals respond differently and give different warnings than human beings.  It's as though they expect a dog st rear up on it's hind legs and say "I say, good fellow, if you continue in this behavior I shall be coerced into using force upon you" before biting.  I have never, and will never, believe a dog bit someone "without warning".  There is always warning, it may be barking, it may be growling, it may be ears pinned back, it may be flicking eyes back and forth (that's a real thing), it may be snapping, it may be sticking their tounge between their teeth (again, that's a thing), but there was SOME warning.
 
2013-09-12 03:59:55 PM  

neversubmit: Bull Dogshiat! She threw her kid in for a fat check.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x403]

A small net is seen stretched out under the observation deck's viewing area. It was meant to catch items like cellphones and sunglasses, but Maddox bounced off it and into the pit according to the family.

I didn't see anything in the story about witnesses


We need to Mythbusters that shiat and drop a 2 year old on it and see if it bounces off.
 
2013-09-12 03:59:56 PM  
If a suing zoo is anything like a petting zoo then it's no small wonder that lawyers are involved.
 
2013-09-12 04:01:14 PM  
Her toss of Maddox into the enclosure was a weak, pitiful effort. I could have hurled that kid at least 20 or 25 feet into the enclosure.
 
2013-09-12 04:01:14 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I was almost frantic with concern when I saw this thread go more than 10 minutes without a dingo comment. I was beginning to question everything I know about Fark, whether I had somehow shifted into some alternate reality where nothing made sense anymore, whether everything I had once believed in was dead, gone, destroyed. Thankyou, TheDumbBlonde, for restoring my faith.


When you wrote "faith" you meant contempt, right?
 
2013-09-12 04:02:32 PM  
Maybe I'm awful, but I love that we get stories like this every year or so.  It restores my faith in Darwin, in fact, I think it's the main reason why we should keep predators in zoos, to thin idiots from the herd.
 
2013-09-12 04:02:57 PM  

onzmadi: It is people like this waste of oxygen that  we lose things like zoos. Its tragic the boy? died but using this as an opportunity for a payday is just beyond awful. I hope the mother gets Lou Gehrig's disease.


Hey HEY HEY! The poor mother could hang on for years with a disease like that, wasting away a little at a time. Think of the expense. And since I'm in the completely-wrong 1% bracket, my taxes are high enough as it is. Come up with something that doesn't involve huge governmental outlays for medical assistance, like maybe she falls into a vat of liquid poop and has to drink her way out and her stomach explodes with the last sip, or she gets a bit part in one of the Saw movies and Something Goes Tragically Wrong, the gun was accidentally loaded with real bullets or some such. A few thousand for the emergency room, OK, I don't mind, just get her to the morgue as fast as possible.

Besides, Lou Gehrig shouldn't have his disease associated with people like this. Let her be the index case for her own incurable disease so long as it works quick. We could call it Assholitis.
 
2013-09-12 04:03:00 PM  
the morsel in question
www.wtae.com
 
2013-09-12 04:05:27 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Normally I'd agree that blaming a parent for a death in the midst of a lawsuit is scummy, but it appears warranted in this case.

Why the fark do people not understand that safety warnings apply to them, too? It's not like a speed limit or some stupid rule that is annoying and seemingly designed only to give govt entities an excuse to fine you.

It's an actual safety measure designed to keep you from dying. Why the fark do people ignore shiat like that? So the kid can get a better look at a bunch of dogs?

I feel certain she'll be blaming herself for his death until she herself dies. And she should. Because it is her fault, if the situation is as the story describes.

I've seen people prop their very young children on the railing at the zoo. Idiots.


It seems odd, but the more you regulate and legislate the more this will happen.  People who are very stupid or naive reason that since everything has a rule attached and they've never been harmed by breaking the rules, this time will be safe too.  An intelligent or wise person can make the distinction between a rule that has minor consequences (traffic fines) and one that can be deadly (dangling your child over hungry wild animals).  Morons will just continue to push the envelope since that could "never happen to them".  Usually this comes from being coddled and sheltered, though eating lead paint chips as a kids could have an influence.

"Hey y'all!  Watch this!"
 
2013-09-12 04:05:40 PM  
Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".
 
2013-09-12 04:07:27 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: neversubmit: Bull Dogshiat! She threw her kid in for a fat check.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x403]

A small net is seen stretched out under the observation deck's viewing area. It was meant to catch items like cellphones and sunglasses, but Maddox bounced off it and into the pit according to the family.

I didn't see anything in the story about witnesses

We need to Mythbusters that shiat and drop a 2 year old on it and see if it bounces off.


As far as I tell only the family said he even hit it. Still it a weight of the same amount as the kid doesn't bounce off the net it would put a hole in their story.
 
2013-09-12 04:08:13 PM  
Take the animals out of the equation, it should still be obvious that hoisting your son over a cliffside railing and then dropping him isn't really a safe thing to do.
 
2013-09-12 04:10:00 PM  

bborchar: I did feel bad for her, but not anymore.  She did something incredibly stupid with her kid, and while we all do it to some degree, her mistake had tragic consequences.  Instead of learning from that, she's obviously ignored the incredible guilt she feels because if I were her, there would have been no way on god's green earth that I wouldn't have plunged down into that pit to die with my son as well after doing something so so SOOOOO stupid.

Amazingly, I've taken both of my kids to that zoo, and neither one has been mauled to death by animals.  Guess we're just anomalies.


You suck at Zooing then!
 
2013-09-12 04:10:12 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: the morsel in question
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Poor little guy. Look at his coke bottle glasses, though. Apparently his vision was very poor. Perhaps a different type of zoo, one where he could safely get up close to and touch the animals, would have been a better experience. Why mom thought he needed to go look at blurs in the distance I don't know.
 
2013-09-12 04:10:24 PM  
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2013-09-12 04:10:41 PM  

mike_d85: Lollipop165: This is so common it amazes me. I run a rental building and during showings bring people to the roofdeck to let them see it. All the time, mom or dad will lift 3 year old Ayden over the brick railing for a better view. Or my personal favorite, when adults allow their toddlers to run around willy nilly in the dog run and let them pull the dog's ears. Cause you know, when the kid gets bit its the DOG'S fault, amiright?

Legally, yes.  And it pisses me off.  As far as I know no one has ever been able to sucessfully beat a "viscious dog" charge when someone decides that a dog biting them is a sign something is wrong with the dog.  I've lost dogs this way, so have plenty of other farkers.  People will illicit a bite from a dog and will take revenge on the animal for their ignorance of animal behavior.  Some people simply refuse to accept that animals respond differently and give different warnings than human beings.  It's as though they expect a dog st rear up on it's hind legs and say "I say, good fellow, if you continue in this behavior I shall be coerced into using force upon you" before biting.  I have never, and will never, believe a dog bit someone "without warning".  There is always warning, it may be barking, it may be growling, it may be ears pinned back, it may be flicking eyes back and forth (that's a real thing), it may be snapping, it may be sticking their tounge between their teeth (again, that's a thing), but there was SOME warning.


I was at a beer festival a few months back, and there was this couple who was just letting their toddler run completely amok, barely paying any attention to him.  They looked completely farking trashy too.  Covered in tats and with dumb shiat sticking in their ears.  Anyhow, as they are busy not watching their kid, an old man walks by with two medium-sized dogs, both on leashes and walking right at his side.  The toddler runs straight up to the dogs and screams excitedly.  One of the dogs barks loudly and lunges at the kid.  The kid of course starts crying and his dad walks over and gives the old man this look like "What the fark are you doing?!"  I couldn't hear what he said, but the old man started really yelling at the dad.  It looked like somebody was going to throw a punch for a moment.  Then, not a minute later, after they stopped watching their kid AGAIN, he grabbed a full pint glass that someone had set down on his stroller and tried to drink it, tipping the entire glass of beer in his face and all down the front of his clothes.  farking parents of the year right there.
 
2013-09-12 04:13:01 PM  
It's about time companies and businesses started standing up for themselves against the dumb people of this world.
 
2013-09-12 04:13:17 PM  
fark her and her spurious lawsuit.

The zoo should charge her for the cost of one painted dog plus cleaning fees. Maybe a bit more for a vet visit in case any of their animals got indigestion from eating her boy. (Painted dogs are only allowed one treat a day, and only if they ate all their painted dog food.)
 
2013-09-12 04:13:30 PM  
Painted dogs?
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2013-09-12 04:14:02 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: the morsel in question
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Did... did they really provide the news a picture of them allowing him to play with heavy equipment?

I realize the possibility that he was perfectly safe in that situation (keys removed, trained operater supervising, etc.), but that is a toddler with it's hands on the controls of what appears to be a bulldozer.  Given the circumstances of the child's death, it may have not been the brightest move on their part.
 
2013-09-12 04:14:18 PM  

gambitsgirl: grimlock1972: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

They would have to prove she deliberately dropped the kid and that is not an easy thing to do.

Even for endangering a child? Lifting them over the friggin railing and dropping them is negligent


Well, in her defense, when she took Maddox to Niagara Falls and he fell over the railing, Superman saved him... so maybe she thought he'd do it again...

But seriously... a 45 degree tilted railing... she'd have to hold that kid so far over and out for him to get a better look... I'm surprised one of the other zoo attendees didn't slap her yelling "WTF you doing with that kid biatch?!?!"
 
2013-09-12 04:14:24 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: zoo should counter-sue for the cost of replacing the endangered animal they had to shoot in attempting to save the kid.


The entire exhibit is gone. At least they didn't kill the other dogs, but man, I used to really like that exhibit.

Pittsburgh Zoo's enclosures for the animals are mostly railing-and-moat type enclosures. Very few of them are actually cages. The zoo is set up for awesome visibility of the animals and giving them space to live comfortably. I really think this woman is just a negligent idiot who didn't take a farking thing about the fact that these are wild animals seriously, and her stupidity caused her kid's death.

This lawsuit is just her way of avoiding the fact that she, and she alone, is responsible for what happened.
 
2013-09-12 04:15:11 PM  

grimlock1972: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

They would have to prove she deliberately dropped the kid and that is not an easy thing to do.


That would only be true if she was suspected of murder. No one is suspecting her of murder, but she nonetheless recklessly endangered him when she lifted him over the railing.
 
2013-09-12 04:17:04 PM  

stonicus: Well, in her defense, when she took Maddox to Niagara Falls and he fell over the railing, Superman saved him... so maybe she thought he'd do it again...


much like spidermans policy, everybody gets one
 
2013-09-12 04:17:37 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: mike_d85: Lollipop165: This is so common it amazes me. I run a rental building and during showings bring people to the roofdeck to let them see it. All the time, mom or dad will lift 3 year old Ayden over the brick railing for a better view. Or my personal favorite, when adults allow their toddlers to run around willy nilly in the dog run and let them pull the dog's ears. Cause you know, when the kid gets bit its the DOG'S fault, amiright?

Legally, yes.  And it pisses me off.  As far as I know no one has ever been able to sucessfully beat a "viscious dog" charge when someone decides that a dog biting them is a sign something is wrong with the dog.  I've lost dogs this way, so have plenty of other farkers.  People will illicit a bite from a dog and will take revenge on the animal for their ignorance of animal behavior.  Some people simply refuse to accept that animals respond differently and give different warnings than human beings.  It's as though they expect a dog st rear up on it's hind legs and say "I say, good fellow, if you continue in this behavior I shall be coerced into using force upon you" before biting.  I have never, and will never, believe a dog bit someone "without warning".  There is always warning, it may be barking, it may be growling, it may be ears pinned back, it may be flicking eyes back and forth (that's a real thing), it may be snapping, it may be sticking their tounge between their teeth (again, that's a thing), but there was SOME warning.

I was at a beer festival a few months back, and there was this couple who was just letting their toddler run completely amok, barely paying any attention to him.  They looked completely farking trashy too.  Covered in tats and with dumb shiat sticking in their ears.  Anyhow, as they are busy not watching their kid, an old man walks by with two medium-sized dogs, both on leashes and walking right at his side.  The toddler runs straight up to the dogs and screams excitedly.  One of the dogs barks loudly an ...


I work in the public library system and daily see trashy parents completely ignoring their kid, then screeching when their kid almost gets hurt (we have 5 flights of marble staircases) or almost runs out the door (which faces a very busy street).
 
2013-09-12 04:18:13 PM  

namegoeshere: The_Original_Roxtar: the morsel in question
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Poor little guy. Look at his coke bottle glasses, though. Apparently his vision was very poor. Perhaps a different type of zoo, one where he could safely get up close to and touch the animals, would have been a better experience. Why mom thought he needed to go look at blurs in the distance I don't know.


This.

There are two relatively well-known petting zoos about an hour north and 90 minutes east of Pittsburgh.

http://www.ltanimalpark.com/">http://www.ltanimalpark.com/
 
2013-09-12 04:19:01 PM  

mike_d85: Legally, yes.  And it pisses me off.


At my dog run, people will tell the kids to leave and more often than not talk shiat to the parents who let the kids in in the first place. I don't blame them at all and do this myself. ALL THE TIME the parents act like WE are the ones being jerks. How these people can't understand that CHILDREN and DOG RUNS do not mix I have no clue.
 
2013-09-12 04:19:39 PM  
People that name their children other people's surnames deserve to have their babies eaten by dingos.
 
2013-09-12 04:20:34 PM  

R.A.Danny: Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".


...oh, that's OK, I really wanted to stay awake with my thoughts tonight.
 
2013-09-12 04:23:33 PM  

R.A.Danny: Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".


This :(
 
2013-09-12 04:24:00 PM  
This makes me get all stabby feeling.  What a complete and utter piece of crap that woman is.
 
2013-09-12 04:25:13 PM  
I bet she was also one of those moms who refuses to read the signs that are every ten feet when her kid asks what they're looking at.
 
2013-09-12 04:26:20 PM  

pestluvr: R.A.Danny: Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".

...oh, that's OK, I really wanted to stay awake with my thoughts tonight.


This too. :(
 
2013-09-12 04:27:33 PM  
I'll see you all in the "I'm still too sad and angry to sleep" thread.
 
2013-09-12 04:30:46 PM  

vento: You sound like a fun person without any issues.


YOU spend 20 years trying to turn the "Hill" into a nice neighborhood by working with kids that live there.
Eventually, you will want to torch the entire three rivers area.
 
2013-09-12 04:31:43 PM  
The Pittsburgh Zoo is a beautiful, modern zoo and the mother is an irresponsible idjot.
 
2013-09-12 04:33:22 PM  

mike_d85: Lollipop165: This is so common it amazes me. I run a rental building and during showings bring people to the roofdeck to let them see it. All the time, mom or dad will lift 3 year old Ayden over the brick railing for a better view. Or my personal favorite, when adults allow their toddlers to run around willy nilly in the dog run and let them pull the dog's ears. Cause you know, when the kid gets bit its the DOG'S fault, amiright?

Legally, yes.  And it pisses me off.  As far as I know no one has ever been able to sucessfully beat a "viscious dog" charge when someone decides that a dog biting them is a sign something is wrong with the dog.  I've lost dogs this way, so have plenty of other farkers.  People will illicit a bite from a dog and will take revenge on the animal for their ignorance of animal behavior.  Some people simply refuse to accept that animals respond differently and give different warnings than human beings.  It's as though they expect a dog st rear up on it's hind legs and say "I say, good fellow, if you continue in this behavior I shall be coerced into using force upon you" before biting.  I have never, and will never, believe a dog bit someone "without warning".  There is always warning, it may be barking, it may be growling, it may be ears pinned back, it may be flicking eyes back and forth (that's a real thing), it may be snapping, it may be sticking their tounge between their teeth (again, that's a thing), but there was SOME warning.


This.

I was dropping a letter into an office in a builders yard for my boss in May, and the gate was locked as it was early. So I hopped the gate and walked around the piles of timber to the office. Where his guard Alsatian was sleeping. The dog did it's very best to let me know it didn't want a fight (although I don't know why, it was 3 metres tall at the shoulder and had teeth like knives...I think). Lots of snarling, barking, ears pinned back, etc.

For my part, I did my best to let it know I was hoping for a diplomatic resolution to the conflict. Eyes down, slowly walking backwards. What I can't understand is people not telling their kids how to deal with aggressive dogs. If you don't want them to drown, teach them to swim. If you don't want them to get bitten, teach them not to run screaming with their arms flailing. It doesn't usually help.

/Yes, I should have guessed it was guarded, but it was early and I hadn't had my coffee.
//There is always a warning. Dogs don't actually want to fight you. That shiat's dangerous , yo.
 
2013-09-12 04:33:44 PM  

MBooda: Painted dogs?
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My parent's have had a huge Blue Dog painting in their living room for years. They love Rodrigue
 
2013-09-12 04:33:51 PM  

vudukungfu: vento: You sound like a fun person without any issues.

YOU spend 20 years trying to turn the "Hill" into a nice neighborhood by working with kids that live there.
Eventually, you will want to torch the entire three rivers area.


I apologize for my comment.  That's no easy task.  Not many people would be anywhere near as committed as you.  You truly have my utmost respect.
 
2013-09-12 04:33:56 PM  
Yes, this is Fark, but as a parent, this just breaks my heart.  I just can't poke fun at the gruesome death of a nearly-blind toddler.
 
2013-09-12 04:34:17 PM  
Why didn't she jump in after him?  If I dropped my kid I'd be following him.
 
2013-09-12 04:34:45 PM  
Mission Accomplished, the kid got an up close look the wild dogs just like he wanted.
 
2013-09-12 04:35:50 PM  

stonicus: But seriously... a 45 degree tilted railing... she'd have to hold that kid so far over and out for him to get a better look... I'm surprised one of the other zoo attendees didn't slap her yelling "WTF you doing with that kid biatch?!?!"


I can't find it now, but somewhere back when this happened a person claiming to have been a witness said that she put the kid on the railing and then turned around to get a camera out of the stroller before he fell.
 
2013-09-12 04:36:43 PM  
They didn't want that kid anymore since they had little Roethlisberger a year later
 
2013-09-12 04:38:04 PM  

Molavian: Why didn't she jump in after him?  If I dropped my kid I'd be following him.


I was wondering this.  If my children were faced with any present mortal danger, nothing would stand in my way.
 
2013-09-12 04:38:44 PM  
Separated at birth...

screen.tezini.com
a.abcnews.go.com
 
2013-09-12 04:40:32 PM  

Magorn: wee: scottydoesntknow: God forbid she actually owns up to her actions.

This is a woman who named her son "Maddox".  She probably already had a school picked out for the two year old.

Look, what part of Mom's story DON'T you understand?  The Plexiglass was DIRTY and HER son has VISION PROBLEMS!  So, OF COURSE she had to hoist him over the saftey railing and dangle him 15 feet over a pit of hungry predators, so he could get a better look.   AND There were NO signs saying that it could be dangerous to deliberatly bypass the Zoo's safety measures ANYWHERE.  Not to mention the Zooo CLEARLY should have provided some sort of complimentary Safety harness so she could hang on better, and Finally, what kind of negligent, poorly run Zoo doesn't have crack snipers with tranquilizer guns stationed at all their exhibit just in case a vistor makes a perfectly reasonable minor mistake and needs the Zoo staff to instantly rescue them?

It's simply MONSTROUS  that instead of fesing up to thie rmisdeed and abjectly apologizing with a 7 figure check, the Zoo has the copper-plated GALL to suggest MOM is somehow the one at fault here....


I had a friend from Australia that knew of the case but never knew that a movie had been made so the first time one of the group said "A dingo ate my baby" she seemed confused by it. She did see the movie and called us a pack of "Sick america farks!"
 
2013-09-12 04:41:03 PM  
Wow, that is just farking horrible. She basically threw her kid to a pack of wild dogs. And so of course she sues. Possibly a cash grab, possibly to avoid being thrown in jail for killing her kid, or possibly just grief-stricken and/or stupid.

What kind of lawyer would take that case? Seriously, suing a zoo after the mother dropped her kid into the enclosure? I would just back out of the room slowly saying "thanks, but no".
 
2013-09-12 04:41:50 PM  

Matthew Keene: Separated at birth...

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Ralphie wanted a gun.  All little Maddox wanted was a puppy.
 
2013-09-12 04:42:59 PM  

heili skrimsli: stonicus: But seriously... a 45 degree tilted railing... she'd have to hold that kid so far over and out for him to get a better look... I'm surprised one of the other zoo attendees didn't slap her yelling "WTF you doing with that kid biatch?!?!"

I can't find it now, but somewhere back when this happened a person claiming to have been a witness said that she put the kid on the railing and then turned around to get a camera out of the stroller before he fell.


Oh if that's true, farking charge her ass. And make her pay for the emergency response, the dead animal, and any costs associated with closing the exhibit. If that's how it happened, I have sympathy for everyone involved except her.
 
2013-09-12 04:43:05 PM  
That kid was a cutie. I would have been happy to take him home and get him a BB gun.
 
2013-09-12 04:44:09 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Why the fark do people not understand that safety warnings apply to them, too? It's not like a speed limit or some stupid rule that is annoying and seemingly designed only to give govt entities an excuse to fine you.

It's an actual safety measure designed to keep you from dying. 

I've seen people prop their very young children on the railing at the zoo. Idiots.


You know how many people are killed in zoos every year? You know how many are killed in auto collisions every year? Idiots.
 
2013-09-12 04:44:55 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: People that name their children other people's surnames deserve to have their babies eaten by dingos.


As a man with "2 first names" I really hesitate to agree with you.

/Let's maintain the illusion that I want the neighborhood children to call me Mr. D.
//Penis.
 
2013-09-12 04:45:56 PM  
How is this father not punching that asshole of a mother's face inside out?

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2013-09-12 04:47:57 PM  

R.A.Danny: How is this father not punching that asshole of a mother's face inside out?

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I'd love to do it for him.
 
2013-09-12 04:49:38 PM  

AngryDragon: An intelligent or wise person can make the distinction between a rule that has minor consequences (traffic fines) and one that can be deadly (dangling your child over hungry wild animals).


Yeah, because heaven knows no ever gets hurt or killed in auto collisions. You realize how stupid that statement is? How is it that whenever you talk about driving people turn into blithering idiots without an inkling of rational thought?
 
2013-09-12 04:49:45 PM  
Steve Irwin copped a lot of flak for taking his tasty baby Bob into a croc show. The crocs are used to him dangling a dead chicken to perform, I'm assuming a baby would look much the same as chicken from a crocs point-of-view.
 
2013-09-12 04:50:05 PM  
Gerald Ford went the same way...
 
2013-09-12 04:50:13 PM  
Fun Fact:

In my previous career, I had interactions with Bob Mongeluzzi, of the Saltz & Mongeluzzi lawfirm. They did a lot of business with my former employer.

As they are now my *former* employer, I can say, without hesitation, that Bob Mongeluzzi was one of the scummiest lawyers I ever had the displeasure to do business with. Dude was everything that is wrong with the modern legal system. I hated working for his firm. Always felt dirty after a Saltz/Mongeluzzi case. Problem was, they were one of my former employer's top clients, so they always got their asses kissed and their cases put on high priority.

/CSB?
 
2013-09-12 04:50:22 PM  

Wingchild: fark her and her spurious lawsuit.

The zoo should charge her for the cost of one painted dog plus cleaning fees. Maybe a bit more for a vet visit in case any of their animals got indigestion from eating her boy. (Painted dogs are only allowed one treat a day, and only if they ate all their painted dog food.)


Throw in some 'pain and mental anguish' for the other dogs who witnessed the whole thing.
 
2013-09-12 04:52:06 PM  

AirForceVet: TheDumbBlonde: "A dingo ate my baby!".

I was visiting Australia around the time after Azaria Chamberlain's death by dingo and was amazed the Australians all assumed she and her husband killed the baby. The general public there just couldn't seem to believe a wild dingo could take a nine-week-old baby and eat it. The jokes they made were dark and funny though.

As I'm from Florida, a baby getting killed and eaten by a wild animal isn't unknown. Seemed like the Australian media whipped the public up into a frenzy that the parents killed their baby, instead of believing the more logical cause.

Glad our American media doesn't do the same thing here, mates.


lh3.ggpht.com
"You're damned right. We only whip them up into a frenzy when we know good and well that they are guilty guilty guilty"
 
2013-09-12 04:53:03 PM  

R.A.Danny: How is this father not punching that asshole of a mother's face inside out?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x614]


I'm actually physically sick now.  Going to pick up my youngest from day care.

/You are now favored.
 
2013-09-12 04:53:37 PM  
Ostman:I was dropping a letter into an office in a builders yard for my boss in May, and the gate was locked as it was early. So I hopped the gate and walked around the piles of timber to the office. Where his guard Alsatian was sleeping. The dog did it's very best to let me know it didn't want a fight (although I don't know why, it was 3 metres tall at the shoulder and had teeth like knives...I think). Lots of snarling, barking, ears pinned back, etc.

For my part, I did my best to let it know I was hop ...


This is very true.  My sister called me one day and said that she was out with this guy from work who lived a few minutes from my house, and he remembered that he had left his dog outside in the back yard.  She asked me to run by his house, let myself in the backyard, and open the back door for the dog.  I agreed.  She gives me directions and I head over to the house.  I open the side gate on the fence, walk in, and see his dog chained up in the back.  It's a full grown German Shepard.  It stands up and starts barking at me, and I immediately pull one of these:

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-09-12 04:54:14 PM  
I don't want to come off all "Internet Tough Guy" but how does she or someone else not jump in right away and start wrecking shop on these dogs until help comes?  At least pickup the kid and start screaming at them hysterically, maybe kick a few of them in the gunt.

And maybe the dogs rip me to screds too, but if my kid is in there i'm hopping over and a few of these puppies are going down with us.

Or just push her in:
cdn.ksk.uproxx.com
 
2013-09-12 04:57:13 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: People that name their children other people's surnames deserve to have their babies eaten by dingos.


chekhovsgunman.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-12 04:58:22 PM  

Guns n' Farkin Roses: I don't want to come off all "Internet Tough Guy" but how does she or someone else not jump in right away and start wrecking shop on these dogs until help comes?  At least pickup the kid and start screaming at them hysterically, maybe kick a few of them in the gunt.

And maybe the dogs rip me to screds too, but if my kid is in there i'm hopping over and a few of these puppies are going down with us.

Or just push her in:
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Ahh yes, the Homer Simpson method of protecting a child

www.hwdyk.com

Just make sure your fat enough to take the blows!

/And have a robotic Santa as backup
 
2013-09-12 04:58:51 PM  

Evil High Priest: Wingchild: fark her and her spurious lawsuit.

The zoo should charge her for the cost of one painted dog plus cleaning fees. Maybe a bit more for a vet visit in case any of their animals got indigestion from eating her boy. (Painted dogs are only allowed one treat a day, and only if they ate all their painted dog food.)

Throw in some 'pain and mental anguish' for the other dogs who witnessed the whole thing.


How about "pain and mental anguish" for the poor zookeeper who had to remove a half-eaten toddler corpse from the enclosure.  Blech...
 
2013-09-12 04:59:38 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: the morsel in question
[www.wtae.com image 640x480]


I've seen that kid before - he worked as a model for The Far Side cartoons!

The zoo should put up a sign that says "Do Not Drop Your Children into Animal Enclosures" so that people like her are fully warned.
 
2013-09-12 04:59:54 PM  
I wonder what the animals poop looked like?
 
2013-09-12 05:00:46 PM  

Guns n' Farkin Roses: I don't want to come off all "Internet Tough Guy" but how does she or someone else not jump in right away and start wrecking shop on these dogs until help comes?  At least pickup the kid and start screaming at them hysterically, maybe kick a few of them in the gunt.

And maybe the dogs rip me to screds too, but if my kid is in there i'm hopping over and a few of these puppies are going down with us.


I don't think it's ITG at all.  Apparently it's only a 10 foot drop into the enclosure.
 
2013-09-12 05:01:08 PM  

Jument: Wow, that is just farking horrible. She basically threw her kid to a pack of wild dogs. And so of course she sues. Possibly a cash grab, possibly to avoid being thrown in jail for killing her kid, or possibly just grief-stricken and/or stupid.

What kind of lawyer would take that case? Seriously, suing a zoo after the mother dropped her kid into the enclosure? I would just back out of the room slowly saying "thanks, but no".


Better call Saul!

Guns n' Farkin Roses: I don't want to come off all "Internet Tough Guy" but how does she or someone else not jump in right away and start wrecking shop on these dogs until help comes?  At least pickup the kid and start screaming at them hysterically, maybe kick a few of them in the gunt.

And maybe the dogs rip me to screds too, but if my kid is in there i'm hopping over and a few of these puppies are going down with us.

Or just push her in:
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I was thinking the same thing as well. Jump down scream throw some rocks , sticks something.
 
2013-09-12 05:01:46 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: R.A.Danny: Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".

This :(


Definitely got some tears out of me.  I remember when it happened (this family lives very close) just feeling near sick with grief, just because it was so easy to imagine what it would feel like in her place.  My son is almost the same age, and it really bothered me for a while.

Still think she's a selfish biatch for suing the zoo, though.
 
2013-09-12 05:01:51 PM  
A wild pack of family dogs came runnin' through the yard one day
As my little sister played
The dogs took her away and I guess she was eaten up okay
Yeah, she was eaten up okay

I didn't say much of anything at all
Didn't say much of anything at all
Didn't say much of anything at all
 
2013-09-12 05:03:46 PM  

Guns n' Farkin Roses: I don't want to come off all "Internet Tough Guy" but how does she or someone else not jump in right away and start wrecking shop on these dogs until help comes?  At least pickup the kid and start screaming at them hysterically, maybe kick a few of them in the gunt.


Depending on the drop, the fall might have incapacitated her immediately, in which case the gesture would have accomplished exactly nothing.  Fighting dogs is one thing -- maybe heroic -- but fighting gravity is just plain dumb.
 
2013-09-12 05:04:16 PM  
This is totally unacceptable.  I don't know what the zoo was thinking, with safety standards so lax.  A railing and a moat, sure, but where's the obvious incentive to stay behind those clearly-crossable barriers?  The zoo should have done more.  Something like, say, keeping dangerous animals on the other side of that railing, so that nobody with any good sense would risk falling over it, out of fear of the dangerous animals.

Why this wasn't thought of, I have no idea.
 
2013-09-12 05:04:43 PM  

darth_badger: I wonder what the animals poop looked like?


At least one of them had glasses, so it probably felt like one of those portraits that stare at you.
 
2013-09-12 05:05:26 PM  

MBooda: Matthew Keene: Separated at birth...

[screen.tezini.com image 620x350]
[a.abcnews.go.com image 320x240]

Ralphie wanted a gun.  All little Maddox wanted was a puppy.


First class ticket, please.
 
2013-09-12 05:05:33 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2013-09-12 05:05:44 PM  

jshine: Guns n' Farkin Roses: I don't want to come off all "Internet Tough Guy" but how does she or someone else not jump in right away and start wrecking shop on these dogs until help comes?  At least pickup the kid and start screaming at them hysterically, maybe kick a few of them in the gunt.

Depending on the drop, the fall might have incapacitated her immediately, in which case the gesture would have accomplished exactly nothing.  Fighting dogs is one thing -- maybe heroic -- but fighting gravity is just plain dumb.


And remember the 45 degree railing that would have made it very difficult to get over and into the cage.  Well, unless someone would have helped her over the way she did for her kid.
 
2013-09-12 05:05:47 PM  

R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?


That's the missing piece. Child endangerment. She should be charged with that crime. Or at least dingo fishing without a license.
 
2013-09-12 05:06:45 PM  

itsaidwhat: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

That's the missing piece. Child endangerment. She should be charged with that crime. Or at least dingo fishing without a license.


Feeding wild animals without a permit?  Is that a crime in Pittsburgh?
 
2013-09-12 05:08:50 PM  
Why, oh, why, oh why can't THIS be the kind of case for which I get jury duty?
 
2013-09-12 05:09:24 PM  
Step 1.  Run up credit card debt

Step 2.  Realize kids a expensive

Step 3.  "Drop" kid into enclosure

Step 4.  PROFIT!!!!!
 
2013-09-12 05:10:14 PM  

Begoggle: Maddox died Nov. 4

A firetruck came to rescue him but it looked like this


Yes, of course. The fire truck with whiskers...for the dingo emergency. Classic.
 
2013-09-12 05:10:44 PM  

Guns n' Farkin Roses: Or just push her in:
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Exactly! So she could eat the dingoes!
 
2013-09-12 05:13:03 PM  

ShamanGator: At least the lawyer didn't accuse her of trying to profit from the kids death.  I'd say he showed pretty good restraint on that part.


redtrouserdays.files.wordpress.com
I had to. We needed the money.
 
2013-09-12 05:13:33 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: the morsel in question


Oh Mr Maddox Magoo, you've done it again!!
 
2013-09-12 05:15:01 PM  
seanssabbatical.com
 
2013-09-12 05:15:15 PM  

R.A.Danny: How is this father not punching that asshole of a mother's face inside out?

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Is that guy with the beard PS in?  The look on his face is the only non-idiot face.  He looks like he just walked into the wrong funeral.

Also, if this was an only child, the father has a chance for a clean break from the idiot wife/former mother.
 
2013-09-12 05:15:36 PM  
 Seriously? When my kid was that age I was so paranoid that I didn't even go near the rail.
 
2013-09-12 05:15:55 PM  
Hey, that zoo owes her a compensatory payment!!!

/They pay the zookeepers that feed the animals, right? Well, she fed them. Pay up, suckas!
 
2013-09-12 05:18:54 PM  

Lollipop165: monoski: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

This

If she didn't sue the zoo, I would say let her go without charges. Its a tragedy enough, and obviously a stupid (really, really really stupid) mistake. Taking personal responsibility for killing your own child is punishment enough.

But now that's she's trying to shift blame onto the zoo... I saw make her pay. She's obviously learned nothing.


Seconded
 
2013-09-12 05:21:23 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Normally I'd agree that blaming a parent for a death in the midst of a lawsuit is scummy, but it appears warranted in this case.

Why the fark do people not understand that safety warnings apply to them, too? It's not like a speed limit or some stupid rule that is annoying and seemingly designed only to give govt entities an excuse to fine you.

It's an actual safety measure designed to keep you from dying. Why the fark do people ignore shiat like that? So the kid can get a better look at a bunch of dogs?

I feel certain she'll be blaming herself for his death until she herself dies. And she should. Because it is her fault, if the situation is as the story describes.

I've seen people prop their very young children on the railing at the zoo. Idiots.


Goddamn THIS. If you complain about\ignore safety warnings,  that is your own damn fault and you are an idiot if you get hurt, not a victim.
 
2013-09-12 05:21:32 PM  

BiffSpiffy: R.A.Danny: How is this father not punching that asshole of a mother's face inside out?

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Is that guy with the beard PS in?  The look on his face is the only non-idiot face.  He looks like he just walked into the wrong funeral.

Also, if this was an only child, the father has a chance for a clean break from the idiot wife/former mother.


I'd be booted out of the courtroom at the divorce hearing for referring to her as "That Stupid Coont".

Every filing would use that as her name.
 
2013-09-12 05:22:36 PM  

KillerAttackParrot: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Why the fark do people not understand that safety warnings apply to them, too? It's not like a speed limit or some stupid rule that is annoying and seemingly designed only to give govt entities an excuse to fine you.

It's an actual safety measure designed to keep you from dying. 

I've seen people prop their very young children on the railing at the zoo. Idiots.

You know how many people are killed in zoos every year? You know how many are killed in auto collisions every year? Idiots.


I know the speed limit reference isn't perfect, but my point is, some speed limits are set in such a way to maximize profitability, not safety. You can exceed the speed limit by a little bit and still be perfectly safe as long as you're not driving like farking idiot. There doesn't seem to be much margin of error on propping a small child (small children have shiatty balance for a number of reasons, people with children should know this) on a railing overlooking a zoo exhibit filled with carnivores. Nor is there a reason to do it. Esp. when there are signs telling you not to.

This woman's negligence led to the death of her child. It's her fault and no one else's.
 
2013-09-12 05:22:37 PM  

mama2tnt: Really? No one has posted this yet?
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i.imgbox.com
 
2013-09-12 05:23:48 PM  

almostsane: Lollipop165: monoski: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

This

If she didn't sue the zoo, I would say let her go without charges. Its a tragedy enough, and obviously a stupid (really, really really stupid) mistake. Taking personal responsibility for killing your own child is punishment enough.

But now that's she's trying to shift blame onto the zoo... I saw make her pay. She's obviously learned nothing.

Seconded


Yeah, one would think that any civil suit that is based on an accidental death, would first require a full criminal investigation. And I can't imagine that a full investigation would turn up as much neglect on the zoo's part as there was on the mother's.
 
2013-09-12 05:24:13 PM  
Easy Money:

1. Pump out a crotch fruit.
2. Go to a zoo.
3. "Accidentally" get the kid killed by the animals.
4. Cry and mourn and blame the zoo.
5. Win the public's emotions.
6. Sue the zoo "so that this tragedy will never happen again to another family".
7. Profit from the degeneration of personal responsibility's importance in America.
 
2013-09-12 05:26:02 PM  

KillerAttackParrot: AngryDragon: An intelligent or wise person can make the distinction between a rule that has minor consequences (traffic fines) and one that can be deadly (dangling your child over hungry wild animals).

Yeah, because heaven knows no ever gets hurt or killed in auto collisions. You realize how stupid that statement is? How is it that whenever you talk about driving people turn into blithering idiots without an inkling of rational thought?


I was thinking parking fines, but OK.  A suggestion, maybe a little less caffeine.
 
2013-09-12 05:26:51 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: If she gave a shiat about the kid, she would have jumped in and fought the dogs to her last breath. She may have even done that shiat on purpose. It would an easy way to turn a unwanted kid into a million bucks. She should charged with manslaughter, or at least reckless endangerment of a child.


She is probably too fat to negotiate the obstacle.
 
2013-09-12 05:27:58 PM  
Not sure if this has been mentioned but this is some biased pandering scumbag journalism too. Notice the wording of the title of the article. "...zoo blames mother for boy's fatal mauling." Not "mother is suing zoo for son's death, etc".
 
2013-09-12 05:29:37 PM  
www.gamechangers.com

Damn thats a pretty dog. Shame that if you bread them for tameness, they would probably lose their marking like those foxes in Russia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox
 
2013-09-12 05:29:48 PM  

tjsands1118: almostsane: Lollipop165: monoski: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

This

If she didn't sue the zoo, I would say let her go without charges. Its a tragedy enough, and obviously a stupid (really, really really stupid) mistake. Taking personal responsibility for killing your own child is punishment enough.

But now that's she's trying to shift blame onto the zoo... I saw make her pay. She's obviously learned nothing.

Seconded

Yeah, one would think that any civil suit that is based on an accidental death, would first require a full criminal investigation. And I can't imagine that a full investigation would turn up as much neglect on the zoo's part as there was on the mother's.


Especially since the zoo had just passed its safety inspection when this happened.
 
2013-09-12 05:32:00 PM  

GreenSun: Easy Money:

1. Pump out a crotch fruit.
2. Go to a zoo.
3. "Accidentally" get the kid killed by the animals.
4. Cry and mourn and blame the zoo.
5. Win the public's emotions.
6. Sue the zoo "so that this tragedy will never happen again to another family".
7. Profit from the degeneration of personal responsibility's importance in America.


8. Use tax loopholes to never pay taxes!!
 
2013-09-12 05:32:51 PM  
"I think blaming the mother is unwarranted and wrong especially given that they were warned by their own employees of that very conduct," he said.

I admit I can't quite figure out what he means by the second part of this sentence.  Warned of what conduct?  Saying "Well, you shouldn't have dangled your kid over the safety rail?"  SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE DANGLED HER KID OVER THE SAFETY RAIL.  I have a certain amount of sympathy for the woman, I'm sure she must be going through a kind of agony that the rest of us can barely begin to truly comprehend, but that does not change the fact that she did something outrageously stupid, and that tragedy resulted directly from HER actions.  And I'm pretty sure the zoo wouldn't be filing court documents saying "it was your fault" if she hadn't tried to sue them for something SHE did.  Just because she's going through hell doesn't mean the zoo should take responsibility for her idiocy.
 
2013-09-12 05:46:39 PM  

Begoggle: Maddox died Nov. 4

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A firetruck came to rescue him but it looked like this


a truck that was covered in uncomfortable hairs?  No Thanks.
 
2013-09-12 05:47:21 PM  
As a father of a 2 year old boy, this is incredibly sad and I really feel for the family.

However, this incident is entirely the mother's fault, and perhaps the father's if he knew his wife was dumb enough to endanger their child like that.

So, to the mother:

I'm sorry for your loss lady, but coping by trying to place blame elsewhere isn't going to cut it. Take responsibility, then spread your legs, and if you're lucky enough to have another kid afterward...don't be a dumb@ss.
 
2013-09-12 05:49:59 PM  
There should be training courses where doing stupid things gets you dunked in cold water.
Not sure people would learn from their mistakes, but it might be useful in identifiing them.
 
2013-09-12 05:52:04 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: pestluvr: R.A.Danny: Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".

...oh, that's OK, I really wanted to stay awake with my thoughts tonight.

This too. :(


I've said it before, and this just reinforces it.  People should need a goddam license before they breed.  If you are a dumb POS like this idiot woman who put her son through a horrible death, or an abusive jerk who has a history of violence or sexual crime, no kids for you.  NO KIDS FOR YOU.

The trick is to find a way to enforce this.  Oh, and to make sure the state doesn't abuse enforcement.  Both of these are a heavy lift, so I guess we'll continue to see kids pay the price for their parents' toxic natures.

:-(
 
2013-09-12 05:58:18 PM  
She must be related to the two dumb dumbs that used that slingshot on a tiger at that zoo in San Francisco last year.
 
2013-09-12 06:01:11 PM  

Rurouni: Not sure if this has been mentioned but this is some biased pandering scumbag journalism too. Notice the wording of the title of the article. "...zoo blames mother for boy's fatal mauling." Not "mother is suing zoo for son's death, etc".


That's because this article is about the zoo's response to the scumbag mother's lawsuit. I'm sure the article that reported on the original lawsuit was more along the lines of your "mother suing zoo..." headline.
 
2013-09-12 06:01:16 PM  

groppet: She must be related to the two dumb dumbs that used that slingshot on a tiger at that zoo in San Francisco last year.


or 6 years ago.

/I was told there'd be no math.
 
2013-09-12 06:02:00 PM  

NotARocketScientist: The zoo should put up a sign that says "Do Not Drop Your Children into Animal Enclosures" so that people like her are fully warned.


...

if only such a sign existed... wait - what?

imageshack.com

/needs to say "do not feed our animals with your children"
 
2013-09-12 06:04:34 PM  
Baby dying...bad.
But....well, Darwin canceled out that mentally unstable gene pool.
This can be seen as a good thing for humanity in the long run.
 
2013-09-12 06:19:23 PM  
There's got to be more to this story subby

*reads TFA

Not sure which is more appalling -- her stupidity or the gall she has to sue
 
2013-09-12 06:20:37 PM  

R.A.Danny: Don't get me wrong, she most likely was just really REALLY stupid, and is heartbroken that her stupidity resulted in the death of her kid. It's damn sad. She really needs to be taken out of society if she is in fact that stupid though.


At least her DNA is.
 
2013-09-12 06:23:31 PM  
Dumb question: why wasn't this person arrested for endangerment causing death?
 
2013-09-12 06:27:19 PM  
I hope the zoo doesn't settle. She deserves nothing. She got her child killed by wild dogs. I don't think she should necessarily go to jail, but she doesn't deserve a dime from the zoo. fark her.
 
2013-09-12 06:27:37 PM  

gaslight: Dumb question: why wasn't this person arrested for endangerment causing death?


Because the typical response in a situation like this is to say that the poor, mournful mother has suffered enough by the punishment of having to grieve over her dead child.
 
2013-09-12 06:28:07 PM  

jshine: Guns n' Farkin Roses: I don't want to come off all "Internet Tough Guy" but how does she or someone else not jump in right away and start wrecking shop on these dogs until help comes?  At least pickup the kid and start screaming at them hysterically, maybe kick a few of them in the gunt.

Depending on the drop, the fall might have incapacitated her immediately, in which case the gesture would have accomplished exactly nothing.  Fighting dogs is one thing -- maybe heroic -- but fighting gravity is just plain dumb.


But if the mother was killed by the same pack of dogs, she wouldn't have to live with the never-ending sound of her child crying as his guts were being ripped out, playing on a continual loop in her head.

Would jump in after my kid.
 
2013-09-12 06:28:31 PM  

itsaidwhat: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

That's the missing piece. Child endangerment. She should be charged with that crime. Or at least dingo fishing without a license.


Well played.
 
2013-09-12 06:33:05 PM  

R.A.Danny: Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".


I'm betting it was closer to, "AAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIEEEEEEEEEE!"
 
2013-09-12 06:33:39 PM  

bborchar: grimlock1972: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

They would have to prove she deliberately dropped the kid and that is not an easy thing to do.

It doesn't have to be murder.  There are other charges such as child endangerment and even criminally negligent homocide.


True true, but in anyway its a sticky situation. I wholeheartedly she should be charged with something, but no matter what punishment she might be given it would pale in comparison to having to live with the knowledge her stupidity cost the life of her child.
 
2013-09-12 06:40:38 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: pestluvr: R.A.Danny: Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".

...oh, that's OK, I really wanted to stay awake with my thoughts tonight.

This too. :(


I hope he didn't see her standing there doing nothing but watching him being killed.

Horrible parents.
 
2013-09-12 06:43:47 PM  
Lady needs to be charged with 2nd degree murder. Oh, she didn't use a gun? Well, then a jaywalking charge will have to do.
 
2013-09-12 07:03:18 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: People that name their children other people's surnames deserve to have their babies eaten by dingos.


 One of Angelina Jolie's trendy accessory kids is named Maddox.  I wouldn't be surprised if that's where she got the name from.
 
2013-09-12 07:13:30 PM  

onzmadi: It is people like this waste of oxygen that  we lose things like zoos. Its tragic the boy? died but using this as an opportunity for a payday is just beyond awful. I hope the mother gets Lou Gehrig's disease.


Not cool. That insults my husband who died of it
 
2013-09-12 07:13:46 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: [www.gamechangers.com image 513x563]

Damn thats a pretty dog. Shame that if you bread them for tameness, they would probably lose their marking like those foxes in Russia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox


But given those foxes came up with more variations in coloring than their wild forebears had (GIS domestic fox) it is possible the painted dogs could become even more visually interesting.
 
2013-09-12 07:19:38 PM  
Needs more signs like the Sydney Aquarium Croc exhibit...

evolution-control.com
 
2013-09-12 07:29:54 PM  

MadAzza: Smoky Dragon Dish: pestluvr: R.A.Danny: Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".

...oh, that's OK, I really wanted to stay awake with my thoughts tonight.

This too. :(

I hope he didn't see her standing there doing nothing but watching him being killed.

Horrible parents.


Yes.  I hope they don't have any other kids.  If they do, I hope CPS removes them from that home.

/DRTFA
 
2013-09-12 07:45:30 PM  

EnormousGreenRageMonster: Needs more signs like the Sydney Aquarium Croc exhibit...

[evolution-control.com image 800x600]


Asking people to read?  Ain't nobody got time for that!
 
2013-09-12 08:41:22 PM  

AirForceVet: TheDumbBlonde: "A dingo ate my baby!".

I was visiting Australia around the time after Azaria Chamberlain's death by dingo and was amazed the Australians all assumed she and her husband killed the baby. The general public there just couldn't seem to believe a wild dingo could take a nine-week-old baby and eat it. The jokes they made were dark and funny though.

As I'm from Florida, a baby getting killed and eaten by a wild animal isn't unknown. Seemed like the Australian media whipped the public up into a frenzy that the parents killed their baby, instead of believing the more logical cause.

Glad our American media doesn't do the same thing here, mates.


Australians are the same people that are convinced that the couple left behind by the dive boat staged the whole thing.

/I blame Murdoch
//and the constant fear of death from spiders.
 
2013-09-12 08:45:17 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: "A dingo ate my baby!".


Don't you mean, the painted dog's ate my baby.
 
2013-09-12 08:53:26 PM  

bborchar: grimlock1972: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

They would have to prove she deliberately dropped the kid and that is not an easy thing to do.

It doesn't have to be murder.  There are other charges such as child endangerment and even criminally negligent homocide.


Fortunately, the child is no longer in danger.
 
2013-09-12 09:08:07 PM  
Is it too  late to toss her in also?
 
2013-09-12 09:16:51 PM  
 As glad as I am that the zoo is completely in the right to be fighting this, it may be a bad move for them in the long run. There will likely be some stupid F'ing people on the jury. Some how, this horrible piece of human filth will be rewarded for her stupidity and gross negligence.
 
Ral
2013-09-12 09:20:57 PM  
The mother's poor judgement resulted in her child falling into an animal enclosure, with no way for her to do anything to try to reach him, and she had to watch wild animals literally tear that kid to pieces.  That's going to really fark somebody up.  I mean, try to imagine doing that with your own toddler.

Either the woman is so overcome with guilt and grief that she's in total denial that she had anything to do with it, or she's a cold golddigger who needs to go to jail.  The former is a sad situation, but the zoo is not in the wrong to defend itself when accused of being to blame.
 
2013-09-12 09:51:11 PM  

mike_d85: The_Original_Roxtar: the morsel in question
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Did... did they really provide the news a picture of them allowing him to play with heavy equipment?

I realize the possibility that he was perfectly safe in that situation (keys removed, trained operater supervising, etc.), but that is a toddler with it's hands on the controls of what appears to be a bulldozer.  Given the circumstances of the child's death, it may have not been the brightest move on their part.


Could be a museum. Pretty sure there are photos of me in a cab like that at a similar age from a visit somewhere, the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago IIRC.
 
2013-09-12 09:58:40 PM  

mike_d85: darth_badger: I wonder what the animals poop looked like?

At least one of them had glasses, so it probably felt like one of those portraits that stare at you.


That poor dog.  Can you imagine the pain of passing a pair of spectacles through your bowels?
 
2013-09-12 10:00:32 PM  

groppet: She must be related to the two dumb dumbs that used that slingshot on a tiger at that zoo in San Francisco last year.


I do like how the tiger tracked down those specific assholes while ignoring tons of other people though.

Protip: Don't shiat around with one of the most perfect predators evolution has ever come up with. It will fark you up.

\Yes, I have more sympathy for the Tiger in that one.
 
2013-09-12 10:03:51 PM  
I did a college internship at a zoo and wow, parents. In 8 weeks I amassed many idiotic farking parent stories but here are the two that stand out the most. We had several mountain lions that loved to play ambush with patrons (hide just under the window and pop up or jump down from a tree) and one particular woman with a stroller stood there and took pictures while two hungry-looking mountain lions gazed at the stroller (and the tasty snack inside) for several minutes. I stood there kind of in awe until she looked at me and said "isn't it great they know it's a baby and are watching over it?" at which point I had given up on caring and said "yes they know it's a baby, but they are watching it because it is a tender snack". She huffed and strollered on.

The best one is similar to the article. A man put his toddler on the top of a wall over an alligator enclosure. Seven adult alligators were in the pit below. I looked at the man and said "sir, what you are doing is incredibly unsafe and you need take your child off the wall" he looked at me with dull, insulted eyes and said "well if he falls in you'll get him" to which I replied "no, if he falls in he will be dead before he hits the water". He seriously thought that the alligators wouldn't bother his most likely injured and screaming child and that I could (or would) get in there and safe his little crotchfruit in before he ended up like Mola Ram.
 
2013-09-12 10:16:44 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Ostman:I was dropping a letter into an office in a builders yard for my boss in May, and the gate was locked as it was early. So I hopped the gate and walked around the piles of timber to the office. Where his guard Alsatian was sleeping. The dog did it's very best to let me know it didn't want a fight (although I don't know why, it was 3 metres tall at the shoulder and had teeth like knives...I think). Lots of snarling, barking, ears pinned back, etc.

For my part, I did my best to let it know I was hop ...

This is very true.  My sister called me one day and said that she was out with this guy from work who lived a few minutes from my house, and he remembered that he had left his dog outside in the back yard.  She asked me to run by his house, let myself in the backyard, and open the back door for the dog.  I agreed.  She gives me directions and I head over to the house.  I open the side gate on the fence, walk in, and see his dog chained up in the back.  It's a full grown German Shepard.  It stands up and starts barking at me, and I immediately pull one of these:

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My sister's husband comes from an extended family that has a thing for German Shepherds. They're big, yes, but loyal and well behaved. We were up visiting and playing with one- still a puppy, and while she was giant, she was also an incredibly friendly and playful dog. Tossing a rope bone in the air for her was amazing- she could jump several feet up, twisting and flipping around, just to grab that bone and land perfectly. And could do it constantly for an hour. Compared to our family's rather uncoordinated dog (catching a treat you toss straight at her mouth is an accomplishment), it was amazing to watch. I've met some other German Shepherds before too, and have never had any issues.

Of course, their cat was flat out evil. And I mean evil. It would attack people, and not just in a playful way. I think they said that there's only one person the cat trusts enough for petting. Everybody else, touching gets your hand bitten.
 
2013-09-12 10:22:10 PM  
If she had dangled her son over an empty 11-foot drop and he fell, hit his head and died, this biatch would had never dared to sue anyone. But throw a zoo into the equation and she and the lawyers smell money.
 
2013-09-12 10:54:13 PM  
the article says the lawyers for the defense say the woman lifted the kid over the rail, the woman says the kid wiggled out of her grasp when she went to pick him up and he fell over the railing. farkers have deemed this woman a liar and the lawyers as telling the truth, really if we can't trust lawyers who can we trust...
 
2013-09-12 10:54:47 PM  

neversubmit: Well I use Mac/Linux...: neversubmit: Bull Dogshiat! She threw her kid in for a fat check.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x403]

A small net is seen stretched out under the observation deck's viewing area. It was meant to catch items like cellphones and sunglasses, but Maddox bounced off it and into the pit according to the family.

I didn't see anything in the story about witnesses

We need to Mythbusters that shiat and drop a 2 year old on it and see if it bounces off.

As far as I tell only the family said he even hit it. Still it a weight of the same amount as the kid doesn't bounce off the net it would put a hole in their story.

.
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The story in question claims he bounced off of it. My guess/assumption is that, depending on how he fell, perhaps only half of him hit the net, so he somersaulted off of it into the enclosure.
 
2013-09-12 10:57:06 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I was almost frantic with concern when I saw this thread go more than 10 minutes without a dingo comment. I was beginning to question everything I know about Fark, whether I had somehow shifted into some alternate reality where nothing made sense anymore, whether everything I had once believed in was dead, gone, destroyed. Thankyou, TheDumbBlonde, for restoring my faith.


This is why you're on my favorites list.
 
2013-09-12 11:02:12 PM  

Headso: the article says the lawyers for the defense say the woman lifted the kid over the rail, the woman says the kid wiggled out of her grasp when she went to pick him up and he fell over the railing. farkers have deemed this woman a liar and the lawyers as telling the truth, really if we can't trust lawyers who can we trust...


1) The two are not mutually exclusive
2) It's still not the zoo's fault
 
2013-09-12 11:06:48 PM  

Lollipop165: monoski: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

This

If she didn't sue the zoo, I would say let her go without charges. Its a tragedy enough, and obviously a stupid (really, really really stupid) mistake. Taking personal responsibility for killing your own child is punishment enough.

But now that's she's trying to shift blame onto the zoo... I saw make her pay. She's obviously learned nothing.


You know, I suspect that you could press charges, set a very low bail so she's out in a day or two, and then sentence her to time served. For someone so adamantly in denial of their responsibility here, a legal judgment that this was your fault is probably a worse punishment than any sentence you could possibly impose anyway.
 
2013-09-12 11:31:58 PM  

Headso: the article says the lawyers for the defense say the woman lifted the kid over the rail, the woman says the kid wiggled out of her grasp when she went to pick him up and he fell over the railing. farkers have deemed this woman a liar and the lawyers as telling the truth, really if we can't trust lawyers who can we trust...


have you looked at the rail? She would have to be holding him awfully high and awfully close to the rail. I have a 2 year old and I pick her up to look at stuff at the zoo. But I don't hold her whole body over the height if the railing and farking lean over.

Because that would be retarded.

If she gets held up that means her head pokes over the rail while the rest of her body is below it. It means we are usually back a foot or two. Often she just has to look through the rail. I get that this kid had a vision problem, but maybe its time to think about appropriate activities for your disabled toddler rather than throw them to a pack of wild dogs.

Frankly the MOST disturbing thing is she didn't jump in there. I would not have effing thought twice about it. I probably would have been jumping in before she even hit the ground.
 
2013-09-12 11:50:48 PM  
WTF kind of name is Derkosh?
 
2013-09-13 12:02:46 AM  

ace in your face: Frankly the MOST disturbing thing is she didn't jump in there. I would not have effing thought twice about it. I probably would have been jumping in before she even hit the ground.


This right here.
 
2013-09-13 12:06:50 AM  

R.A.Danny: How is this father not punching that asshole of a mother's face inside out?


I would've guessed either Pittsburgh or Cleveland, based on this picture alone.

So sad.
 
2013-09-13 12:10:35 AM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Ostman:I was dropping a letter into an office in a builders yard for my boss in May, and the gate was locked as it was early. So I hopped the gate and walked around the piles of timber to the office. Where his guard Alsatian was sleeping. The dog did it's very best to let me know it didn't want a fight (although I don't know why, it was 3 metres tall at the shoulder and had teeth like knives...I think). Lots of snarling, barking, ears pinned back, etc.

For my part, I did my best to let it know I was hop ...

This is very true.  My sister called me one day and said that she was out with this guy from work who lived a few minutes from my house, and he remembered that he had left his dog outside in the back yard.  She asked me to run by his house, let myself in the backyard, and open the back door for the dog.  I agreed.  She gives me directions and I head over to the house.  I open the side gate on the fence, walk in, and see his dog chained up in the back.  It's a full grown German Shepard.  It stands up and starts barking at me, and I immediately pull one of these:

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My experience 15 yrs ago was the complete opposite. For 2 yrs while in college, I worked for a delivery company. We had the contract for KFC, Subway, ESM, Swiss Chalet and most of the smaller pizza joints.

It's not that I'm afraid of dogs/animals and not that I am not afraid of animals, it's just that I really have no idea if they're about to bite me, so I avoid any opportunity to give them the chance.

However, having said that, once you walk into their territory carrying a warm smelly food bag (does not matter if it's KFC or a pizza) you are their bestest FRIEND evar and they will love you and want to raise a family with you. I routinely went up to sketchy looking dwellings that had 'beware of doug' signs posted and the dogs would bark rabidly, but lost all interest in me once they had a sniff of the bag.
 
2013-09-13 12:35:02 AM  
Darwin by Proxy
 
2013-09-13 12:35:41 AM  

otaku69: TheDumbBlonde: "A dingo ate my baby!".

Don't you mean, the painted dog's ate my baby.


Reminds me of the song:

"Painted ladies and a bottle from the whino."
 
2013-09-13 01:12:21 AM  
This mother is probably going through a lot of grief, and I'll bet that she didn't reach out to find a lawyer. I'll bet that every lawyer in her state rushed to "help" her in her time of need. It's a tragic story, but at this point i'm going to have to give her a pass and instead blame the bloodsucking lawyers.

CSB: A city bus crunched the front end of our minivan while my wife was driving. She was fine. 6 cops showed up and everybody agrees that the bus driver was completely 100% at fault (my wife was stopped at a red light). Within two days we got these amazing lawyer packets in the mail from all over our state. Not just the 'we'll represent you' crap a person in an accident normally gets, but we got DVDs and expensive-ass paper and hand written notes. Because "city bus" equals money.

Eventually we got sued by two different people on the bus (because they got nice packets in the mail too). Seriously. Everything worked out just fine in the end though, and the city covered the cost of our repairs + rental car for the week. We had zero interest in suing (If she had been hurt or ended up with PTSD, then it would be a different story), but I could see how somebody, in their darkest moment of grief at not only losing their child, but also probably watching that horrific event happen.. I could see how a lawyer could take advantage of that. I could see the mother wanting to share in that responsibility.

Kill all the lawyers.
 
2013-09-13 01:48:03 AM  

heili skrimsli: gaslight: Dumb question: why wasn't this person arrested for endangerment causing death?

Because the typical response in a situation like this is to say that the poor, mournful mother has suffered enough by the punishment of having to grieve over her dead child.


Just like those poor Menendez boys, shown leniency by the court because they were orphans in the cold hard world after they murdered their parents.

/except they weren't
//but that was the 80s, it was a different time
///back when "personal responsibility" wasn't considered a phrase used only by racists
 
2013-09-13 03:25:05 AM  

FnkyTwn: Eventually we got sued by two different people on the bus (because they got nice packets in the mail too).


The claims against you must have been choice.
 
2013-09-13 03:31:56 AM  
What painted dogs might look like:

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2013-09-13 06:35:14 AM  

Tatterdemalian: Just like those poor Menendez boys, shown leniency by the court because they were orphans in the cold hard world after they murdered their parents.


You don't think that happens? Here's an example:

grimlock1972: True true, but in anyway its a sticky situation. I wholeheartedly she should be charged with something, but no matter what punishment she might be given it would pale in comparison to having to live with the knowledge her stupidity cost the life of her child.


I think she should be jailed for the negligent manslaughter of her kid. And no, the fact that he's dead is not more punishment than her being in prison.
 
2013-09-13 06:58:59 AM  

FnkyTwn: This mother is probably going through a lot of grief, and I'll bet that she didn't reach out to find a lawyer. I'll bet that every lawyer in her state rushed to "help" her in her time of need. It's a tragic story, but at this point i'm going to have to give her a pass and instead blame the bloodsucking lawyers.

CSB: A city bus crunched the front end of our minivan while my wife was driving. She was fine. 6 cops showed up and everybody agrees that the bus driver was completely 100% at fault (my wife was stopped at a red light). Within two days we got these amazing lawyer packets in the mail from all over our state. Not just the 'we'll represent you' crap a person in an accident normally gets, but we got DVDs and expensive-ass paper and hand written notes. Because "city bus" equals money.

Eventually we got sued by two different people on the bus (because they got nice packets in the mail too). Seriously. Everything worked out just fine in the end though, and the city covered the cost of our repairs + rental car for the week. We had zero interest in suing (If she had been hurt or ended up with PTSD, then it would be a different story), but I could see how somebody, in their darkest moment of grief at not only losing their child, but also probably watching that horrific event happen.. I could see how a lawyer could take advantage of that. I could see the mother wanting to share in that responsibility.

Kill all the lawyers.


Seriously?  This lunatic dropped her baby into a den of wild animals and you're blaming...the lawyers?  She SHOULD be experiencing a lot of grief.  She killed another human being through gross and willful negligence. She should also be behind bars.

A mother causing the death of her own child should be held accountable to a greater degree not lesser.  I can't possible imagine a greater breach of trust and responsibility.
 
2013-09-13 08:09:01 AM  
Little Maddox was the best kid in the universe.
 
2013-09-13 08:15:30 AM  

heili skrimsli: Tatterdemalian: Just like those poor Menendez boys, shown leniency by the court because they were orphans in the cold hard world after they murdered their parents.

You don't think that happens? Here's an example:

grimlock1972: True true, but in anyway its a sticky situation. I wholeheartedly she should be charged with something, but no matter what punishment she might be given it would pale in comparison to having to live with the knowledge her stupidity cost the life of her child.

I think she should be jailed for the negligent manslaughter of her kid. And no, the fact that he's dead is not more punishment than her being in prison.


Not a parent, are you ?
 
2013-09-13 08:59:44 AM  

capt.hollister: heili skrimsli: Tatterdemalian: Just like those poor Menendez boys, shown leniency by the court because they were orphans in the cold hard world after they murdered their parents.

You don't think that happens? Here's an example:

grimlock1972: True true, but in anyway its a sticky situation. I wholeheartedly she should be charged with something, but no matter what punishment she might be given it would pale in comparison to having to live with the knowledge her stupidity cost the life of her child.

I think she should be jailed for the negligent manslaughter of her kid. And no, the fact that he's dead is not more punishment than her being in prison.

Not a parent, are you ?


Your argument would absolve any parent of criminal guilt if that parent kills his or her own child. By your logic, Susan Smith shouldn't be in prison and Andrea Yates should be free because it's so much worse punishment that their children are dead. Why bother putting Michelle Tharp in prison, because obviously she's been punished enough by the fact that her daughter starved to death.

If your kid dies of malnutrition because of your veganism we should just let it go, because nothing we can do is more punishment than the fact that your kid is dead? Should the parents who prayed instead of providing medical care to their diabetic child be let off with our sympathies because losing their kid is worse punishment than prison?

When your negligence causes the death of someone else, we don't, as a society, say 'Well he'll just have to live with the guilt, and that's the worst punishment of all.' Feeling guilty doesn't erase criminal culpability, and I'm damn sure that not being in prison is a lot more enjoyable than being in prison.
 
2013-09-13 09:16:50 AM  

heili skrimsli: capt.hollister: heili skrimsli: Tatterdemalian: Just like those poor Menendez boys, shown leniency by the court because they were orphans in the cold hard world after they murdered their parents.

You don't think that happens? Here's an example:

grimlock1972: True true, but in anyway its a sticky situation. I wholeheartedly she should be charged with something, but no matter what punishment she might be given it would pale in comparison to having to live with the knowledge her stupidity cost the life of her child.

I think she should be jailed for the negligent manslaughter of her kid. And no, the fact that he's dead is not more punishment than her being in prison.

Not a parent, are you ?

Your argument would absolve any parent of criminal guilt if that parent kills his or her own child. By your logic, Susan Smith shouldn't be in prison and Andrea Yates should be free because it's so much worse punishment that their children are dead. Why bother putting Michelle Tharp in prison, because obviously she's been punished enough by the fact that her daughter starved to death.

If your kid dies of malnutrition because of your veganism we should just let it go, because nothing we can do is more punishment than the fact that your kid is dead? Should the parents who prayed instead of providing medical care to their diabetic child be let off with our sympathies because losing their kid is worse punishment than prison?

When your negligence causes the death of someone else, we don't, as a society, say 'Well he'll just have to live with the guilt, and that's the worst punishment of all.' Feeling guilty doesn't erase criminal culpability, and I'm damn sure that not being in prison is a lot more enjoyable than being in prison.


No, there is a difference. There is no reason to think that she didn't love her son and intended to kill him. His death was the result of a stupid, inconsiderate gesture. No malice was involved. Stupidity, negligence, yes, but not malice. You can certainly accuse her of reckless endangerment causing death and jail her for it, but do not make the mistake of thinking that this would be worst than having lost her small child.
 
2013-09-13 09:36:12 AM  

gambitsgirl: onzmadi: It is people like this waste of oxygen that  we lose things like zoos. Its tragic the boy? died but using this as an opportunity for a payday is just beyond awful. I hope the mother gets Lou Gehrig's disease.

Not cool. That insults my husband who died of it



False. That comment has absolutely nothing to do with your husband. Not everything is about you.

Sorry for your loss, but get some perspective.
 
2013-09-13 10:37:29 AM  

capt.hollister: No, there is a difference. There is no reason to think that she didn't love her son and intended to kill him. His death was the result of a stupid, inconsiderate gesture. No malice was involved. Stupidity, negligence, yes, but not malice. You can certainly accuse her of reckless endangerment causing death and jail her for it, but do not make the mistake of thinking that this would be worst than having lost her small child.


So then she's pretty much just like the people who prayed instead of getting medical care for their diabetic child?

Well, except that those people actually thought the prayer was helping, and there's no rational basis whatsoever for thinking that holding your kid over a pen of wild animals is a beneficial move.
 
2013-09-13 11:27:39 AM  

heili skrimsli: So then she's pretty much just like the people who prayed instead of getting medical care for their diabetic child?

Well, except that those people actually thought the prayer was helping, and there's no rational basis whatsoever for thinking that holding your kid over a pen of wild animals is a beneficial move.



You should look at the images of where this kid fell from. The plexiglass kids are allowed to look through is all scuffed and hard to see anything through, and clearly she didn't dangle her kid over the edge.. she had picked him up and according to her he bucked wildly.. like kids sometimes do. There were lots of people around, and nobody saw her 'dangle' him.. so i'm inclined to believe her version.

Praying for a miracle clearly isn't the same as accidentally dropping your kid. It was dumb on her part, and she clearly got him too close to the rail, but these things do happen. Kids can be crazy sometimes. I've never dropped one, but I've had mine buck while carrying them up and down the stairs and that's some pretty crazy sheet. Even when you're expecting it it's hard to brace for it.

Unless you're just trolling. You're probably just trolling.
 
2013-09-13 11:51:56 AM  

wineguy: Darwinism by proxy.

Stupid woman reproduces and then does something stupid resulting in the death of her little snowflake. Stupid genes removed from gene pool, all's well. It's a shame though that the woman didn't jump in after the kid and get mauled to death herself. That would have been hilarious.

/yes, a window seat will be fine thanks.


you know, you (unintentionally?) bring up a good point. If I were a parent I'd jump the fark in there, do what I can, get mauled first, hopefully some guy with the tranquilizer shotgun comes out before they move on to jr. why didn't she jump in after him?
 
2013-09-13 11:54:31 AM  
Clearly, if the zoo fed the dogs enough babbies, these dogs would not have show any interest in this one.
 
2013-09-13 12:22:07 PM  

FnkyTwn: You should look at the images of where this kid fell from.


I've actually been where this kid fell from. Numerous times.

She stood her kid on the railing over the exhibit. If you want to hold a 2 year-old up so they can see over it, it is possible to stand about 2 feet from the railing, and hold them against your chest, so that they can see but can't fall in. In fact, sensible people do that all the time.

FnkyTwn: There were lots of people around, and nobody saw her 'dangle' him.. so i'm inclined to believe her version.


Her version of events differs from the version of events that the police investigation revealed when the actual incident occurred. Specifically she is now denying that she stood the boy on the railing, although after the police investigated and interviewed witnesses:

"Almost immediately after that he lost his balance, fell down off the railing into the actual pit and he was immediately attacked by 11 dogs,"  Lt. Kraus said.

Nobody in Nov. 2012 was denying that she put him on the railing. Her sister even said she understands why the mother put him on the railing, and it was because he wore glasses. He was in a standing position and lost his balance. The railing is slanted at 45 degrees toward the viewing platform:

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She stood him on that railing and he fell in. That is entirely her fault.
 
2013-09-13 12:26:09 PM  

Pangea: gambitsgirl: onzmadi: It is people like this waste of oxygen that  we lose things like zoos. Its tragic the boy? died but using this as an opportunity for a payday is just beyond awful. I hope the mother gets Lou Gehrig's disease.

Not cool. That insults my husband who died of it


False. That comment has absolutely nothing to do with your husband. Not everything is about you.

Sorry for your loss, but get some perspective.


False. It was snark. It was fark. Not comparing ALS to this mom... oh fark it. You're right. Pardon me. I'll run get you a drink.
 
2013-09-13 01:15:08 PM  
you guys have me laughing my arse off
but yea, she's a pretty awful farking human

keep up on this one subbie
I wanna see how badly she fails
again
 
2013-09-13 02:18:57 PM  

heili skrimsli: capt.hollister: No, there is a difference. There is no reason to think that she didn't love her son and intended to kill him. His death was the result of a stupid, inconsiderate gesture. No malice was involved. Stupidity, negligence, yes, but not malice. You can certainly accuse her of reckless endangerment causing death and jail her for it, but do not make the mistake of thinking that this would be worst than having lost her small child.

So then she's pretty much just like the people who prayed instead of getting medical care for their diabetic child?

Well, except that those people actually thought the prayer was helping, and there's no rational basis whatsoever for thinking that holding your kid over a pen of wild animals is a beneficial move.


You're missing my point. Perhaps I wasn't clear. My disagreement with you is when you state that prison is worst than the loss of her child. I don't think it is.

I think the same is true of parents who deny their children proper care because of some misguided belief in woo.  In my mind what sets the two apart is that one death is the result of one very short lapse in judgment, while the other is the result of a long drawn-out process with many chances not taken and advice not heeded to do the right thing.   What is the same in both cases is that the pain of the loss is greater than any temporary loss of freedom that results from it.

You can, and often should, jail stupid people whether to punish them or to set an example or even to educate them, I'm not in any way denying society's right to do that, but I also believe that when non-malicious people cause the death of their children, their own conscience imprisons them in a burden of pain and guilt that continues long after they have finished serving time in a physical jail.
 
2013-09-13 02:53:49 PM  

Begoggle: Maddox died Nov. 4

[blog.cassiopeia.ca image 400x314]

A firetruck came to rescue him but it looked like this


Ding ding ding!! Here comes the shiatmobile!!
 
2013-09-13 07:27:57 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Robert Mongeluzzi, who represents the Derkosh family, called the zoo's conduct "unconscionable."

"I think blaming the mother is unwarranted and wrong especially given that they were warned by their own employees of that very conduct," he said. "I think their attack on the Derkosh family is awful."

Telling the truth is NOT an attack. God forbid she actually owns up to her actions.


Done in 1. My wife is enraged about this- not because the zoo called her out, but because it's entirely this woman's fault and she can't admit it.

I hope this zoo bans the family for life.
 
2013-09-13 07:34:03 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: scottydoesntknow: Robert Mongeluzzi, who represents the Derkosh family, called the zoo's conduct "unconscionable."

"I think blaming the mother is unwarranted and wrong especially given that they were warned by their own employees of that very conduct," he said. "I think their attack on the Derkosh family is awful."

Telling the truth is NOT an attack. God forbid she actually owns up to her actions.

Done in 1. My wife is enraged about this- not because the zoo called her out, but because it's entirely this woman's fault and she can't admit it.

I hope this zoo bans the family for life.


Well, we know that at least one member will not be coming back!
 
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