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(Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)   Lawyer for family suing zoo is "outraged" that the zoo would "attack" the poor grieving family by pointing out their son probably wouldn't have died if Mom hadn't lifted him over the safety railing and them dropped him into a wild dog exhbit   (post-gazette.com) divider line 233
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2013-09-12 05:22:36 PM  

KillerAttackParrot: Smelly Pirate Hooker: Why the fark do people not understand that safety warnings apply to them, too? It's not like a speed limit or some stupid rule that is annoying and seemingly designed only to give govt entities an excuse to fine you.

It's an actual safety measure designed to keep you from dying. 

I've seen people prop their very young children on the railing at the zoo. Idiots.

You know how many people are killed in zoos every year? You know how many are killed in auto collisions every year? Idiots.


I know the speed limit reference isn't perfect, but my point is, some speed limits are set in such a way to maximize profitability, not safety. You can exceed the speed limit by a little bit and still be perfectly safe as long as you're not driving like farking idiot. There doesn't seem to be much margin of error on propping a small child (small children have shiatty balance for a number of reasons, people with children should know this) on a railing overlooking a zoo exhibit filled with carnivores. Nor is there a reason to do it. Esp. when there are signs telling you not to.

This woman's negligence led to the death of her child. It's her fault and no one else's.
 
2013-09-12 05:22:37 PM  

mama2tnt: Really? No one has posted this yet?
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i.imgbox.com
 
2013-09-12 05:23:48 PM  

almostsane: Lollipop165: monoski: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

This

If she didn't sue the zoo, I would say let her go without charges. Its a tragedy enough, and obviously a stupid (really, really really stupid) mistake. Taking personal responsibility for killing your own child is punishment enough.

But now that's she's trying to shift blame onto the zoo... I saw make her pay. She's obviously learned nothing.

Seconded


Yeah, one would think that any civil suit that is based on an accidental death, would first require a full criminal investigation. And I can't imagine that a full investigation would turn up as much neglect on the zoo's part as there was on the mother's.
 
2013-09-12 05:24:13 PM  
Easy Money:

1. Pump out a crotch fruit.
2. Go to a zoo.
3. "Accidentally" get the kid killed by the animals.
4. Cry and mourn and blame the zoo.
5. Win the public's emotions.
6. Sue the zoo "so that this tragedy will never happen again to another family".
7. Profit from the degeneration of personal responsibility's importance in America.
 
2013-09-12 05:26:02 PM  

KillerAttackParrot: AngryDragon: An intelligent or wise person can make the distinction between a rule that has minor consequences (traffic fines) and one that can be deadly (dangling your child over hungry wild animals).

Yeah, because heaven knows no ever gets hurt or killed in auto collisions. You realize how stupid that statement is? How is it that whenever you talk about driving people turn into blithering idiots without an inkling of rational thought?


I was thinking parking fines, but OK.  A suggestion, maybe a little less caffeine.
 
2013-09-12 05:26:51 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: If she gave a shiat about the kid, she would have jumped in and fought the dogs to her last breath. She may have even done that shiat on purpose. It would an easy way to turn a unwanted kid into a million bucks. She should charged with manslaughter, or at least reckless endangerment of a child.


She is probably too fat to negotiate the obstacle.
 
2013-09-12 05:27:58 PM  
Not sure if this has been mentioned but this is some biased pandering scumbag journalism too. Notice the wording of the title of the article. "...zoo blames mother for boy's fatal mauling." Not "mother is suing zoo for son's death, etc".
 
2013-09-12 05:29:37 PM  
www.gamechangers.com

Damn thats a pretty dog. Shame that if you bread them for tameness, they would probably lose their marking like those foxes in Russia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox
 
2013-09-12 05:29:48 PM  

tjsands1118: almostsane: Lollipop165: monoski: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

This

If she didn't sue the zoo, I would say let her go without charges. Its a tragedy enough, and obviously a stupid (really, really really stupid) mistake. Taking personal responsibility for killing your own child is punishment enough.

But now that's she's trying to shift blame onto the zoo... I saw make her pay. She's obviously learned nothing.

Seconded

Yeah, one would think that any civil suit that is based on an accidental death, would first require a full criminal investigation. And I can't imagine that a full investigation would turn up as much neglect on the zoo's part as there was on the mother's.


Especially since the zoo had just passed its safety inspection when this happened.
 
2013-09-12 05:32:00 PM  

GreenSun: Easy Money:

1. Pump out a crotch fruit.
2. Go to a zoo.
3. "Accidentally" get the kid killed by the animals.
4. Cry and mourn and blame the zoo.
5. Win the public's emotions.
6. Sue the zoo "so that this tragedy will never happen again to another family".
7. Profit from the degeneration of personal responsibility's importance in America.


8. Use tax loopholes to never pay taxes!!
 
2013-09-12 05:32:51 PM  
"I think blaming the mother is unwarranted and wrong especially given that they were warned by their own employees of that very conduct," he said.

I admit I can't quite figure out what he means by the second part of this sentence.  Warned of what conduct?  Saying "Well, you shouldn't have dangled your kid over the safety rail?"  SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE DANGLED HER KID OVER THE SAFETY RAIL.  I have a certain amount of sympathy for the woman, I'm sure she must be going through a kind of agony that the rest of us can barely begin to truly comprehend, but that does not change the fact that she did something outrageously stupid, and that tragedy resulted directly from HER actions.  And I'm pretty sure the zoo wouldn't be filing court documents saying "it was your fault" if she hadn't tried to sue them for something SHE did.  Just because she's going through hell doesn't mean the zoo should take responsibility for her idiocy.
 
2013-09-12 05:46:39 PM  

Begoggle: Maddox died Nov. 4

[blog.cassiopeia.ca image 400x314]

A firetruck came to rescue him but it looked like this


a truck that was covered in uncomfortable hairs?  No Thanks.
 
2013-09-12 05:47:21 PM  
As a father of a 2 year old boy, this is incredibly sad and I really feel for the family.

However, this incident is entirely the mother's fault, and perhaps the father's if he knew his wife was dumb enough to endanger their child like that.

So, to the mother:

I'm sorry for your loss lady, but coping by trying to place blame elsewhere isn't going to cut it. Take responsibility, then spread your legs, and if you're lucky enough to have another kid afterward...don't be a dumb@ss.
 
2013-09-12 05:49:59 PM  
There should be training courses where doing stupid things gets you dunked in cold water.
Not sure people would learn from their mistakes, but it might be useful in identifiing them.
 
2013-09-12 05:52:04 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: pestluvr: R.A.Danny: Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".

...oh, that's OK, I really wanted to stay awake with my thoughts tonight.

This too. :(


I've said it before, and this just reinforces it.  People should need a goddam license before they breed.  If you are a dumb POS like this idiot woman who put her son through a horrible death, or an abusive jerk who has a history of violence or sexual crime, no kids for you.  NO KIDS FOR YOU.

The trick is to find a way to enforce this.  Oh, and to make sure the state doesn't abuse enforcement.  Both of these are a heavy lift, so I guess we'll continue to see kids pay the price for their parents' toxic natures.

:-(
 
2013-09-12 05:58:18 PM  
She must be related to the two dumb dumbs that used that slingshot on a tiger at that zoo in San Francisco last year.
 
2013-09-12 06:01:11 PM  

Rurouni: Not sure if this has been mentioned but this is some biased pandering scumbag journalism too. Notice the wording of the title of the article. "...zoo blames mother for boy's fatal mauling." Not "mother is suing zoo for son's death, etc".


That's because this article is about the zoo's response to the scumbag mother's lawsuit. I'm sure the article that reported on the original lawsuit was more along the lines of your "mother suing zoo..." headline.
 
2013-09-12 06:01:16 PM  

groppet: She must be related to the two dumb dumbs that used that slingshot on a tiger at that zoo in San Francisco last year.


or 6 years ago.

/I was told there'd be no math.
 
2013-09-12 06:02:00 PM  

NotARocketScientist: The zoo should put up a sign that says "Do Not Drop Your Children into Animal Enclosures" so that people like her are fully warned.


...

if only such a sign existed... wait - what?

imageshack.com

/needs to say "do not feed our animals with your children"
 
2013-09-12 06:04:34 PM  
Baby dying...bad.
But....well, Darwin canceled out that mentally unstable gene pool.
This can be seen as a good thing for humanity in the long run.
 
2013-09-12 06:19:23 PM  
There's got to be more to this story subby

*reads TFA

Not sure which is more appalling -- her stupidity or the gall she has to sue
 
2013-09-12 06:20:37 PM  

R.A.Danny: Don't get me wrong, she most likely was just really REALLY stupid, and is heartbroken that her stupidity resulted in the death of her kid. It's damn sad. She really needs to be taken out of society if she is in fact that stupid though.


At least her DNA is.
 
2013-09-12 06:23:31 PM  
Dumb question: why wasn't this person arrested for endangerment causing death?
 
2013-09-12 06:27:19 PM  
I hope the zoo doesn't settle. She deserves nothing. She got her child killed by wild dogs. I don't think she should necessarily go to jail, but she doesn't deserve a dime from the zoo. fark her.
 
2013-09-12 06:27:37 PM  

gaslight: Dumb question: why wasn't this person arrested for endangerment causing death?


Because the typical response in a situation like this is to say that the poor, mournful mother has suffered enough by the punishment of having to grieve over her dead child.
 
2013-09-12 06:28:07 PM  

jshine: Guns n' Farkin Roses: I don't want to come off all "Internet Tough Guy" but how does she or someone else not jump in right away and start wrecking shop on these dogs until help comes?  At least pickup the kid and start screaming at them hysterically, maybe kick a few of them in the gunt.

Depending on the drop, the fall might have incapacitated her immediately, in which case the gesture would have accomplished exactly nothing.  Fighting dogs is one thing -- maybe heroic -- but fighting gravity is just plain dumb.


But if the mother was killed by the same pack of dogs, she wouldn't have to live with the never-ending sound of her child crying as his guts were being ripped out, playing on a continual loop in her head.

Would jump in after my kid.
 
2013-09-12 06:28:31 PM  

itsaidwhat: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

That's the missing piece. Child endangerment. She should be charged with that crime. Or at least dingo fishing without a license.


Well played.
 
2013-09-12 06:33:05 PM  

R.A.Danny: Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".


I'm betting it was closer to, "AAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIEEEEEEEEEE!"
 
2013-09-12 06:33:39 PM  

bborchar: grimlock1972: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

They would have to prove she deliberately dropped the kid and that is not an easy thing to do.

It doesn't have to be murder.  There are other charges such as child endangerment and even criminally negligent homocide.


True true, but in anyway its a sticky situation. I wholeheartedly she should be charged with something, but no matter what punishment she might be given it would pale in comparison to having to live with the knowledge her stupidity cost the life of her child.
 
2013-09-12 06:40:38 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: pestluvr: R.A.Danny: Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".

...oh, that's OK, I really wanted to stay awake with my thoughts tonight.

This too. :(


I hope he didn't see her standing there doing nothing but watching him being killed.

Horrible parents.
 
2013-09-12 06:43:47 PM  
Lady needs to be charged with 2nd degree murder. Oh, she didn't use a gun? Well, then a jaywalking charge will have to do.
 
2013-09-12 07:03:18 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: People that name their children other people's surnames deserve to have their babies eaten by dingos.


 One of Angelina Jolie's trendy accessory kids is named Maddox.  I wouldn't be surprised if that's where she got the name from.
 
2013-09-12 07:13:30 PM  

onzmadi: It is people like this waste of oxygen that  we lose things like zoos. Its tragic the boy? died but using this as an opportunity for a payday is just beyond awful. I hope the mother gets Lou Gehrig's disease.


Not cool. That insults my husband who died of it
 
2013-09-12 07:13:46 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: [www.gamechangers.com image 513x563]

Damn thats a pretty dog. Shame that if you bread them for tameness, they would probably lose their marking like those foxes in Russia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox


But given those foxes came up with more variations in coloring than their wild forebears had (GIS domestic fox) it is possible the painted dogs could become even more visually interesting.
 
2013-09-12 07:19:38 PM  
Needs more signs like the Sydney Aquarium Croc exhibit...

evolution-control.com
 
2013-09-12 07:29:54 PM  

MadAzza: Smoky Dragon Dish: pestluvr: R.A.Danny: Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".

...oh, that's OK, I really wanted to stay awake with my thoughts tonight.

This too. :(

I hope he didn't see her standing there doing nothing but watching him being killed.

Horrible parents.


Yes.  I hope they don't have any other kids.  If they do, I hope CPS removes them from that home.

/DRTFA
 
2013-09-12 07:45:30 PM  

EnormousGreenRageMonster: Needs more signs like the Sydney Aquarium Croc exhibit...

[evolution-control.com image 800x600]


Asking people to read?  Ain't nobody got time for that!
 
2013-09-12 08:41:22 PM  

AirForceVet: TheDumbBlonde: "A dingo ate my baby!".

I was visiting Australia around the time after Azaria Chamberlain's death by dingo and was amazed the Australians all assumed she and her husband killed the baby. The general public there just couldn't seem to believe a wild dingo could take a nine-week-old baby and eat it. The jokes they made were dark and funny though.

As I'm from Florida, a baby getting killed and eaten by a wild animal isn't unknown. Seemed like the Australian media whipped the public up into a frenzy that the parents killed their baby, instead of believing the more logical cause.

Glad our American media doesn't do the same thing here, mates.


Australians are the same people that are convinced that the couple left behind by the dive boat staged the whole thing.

/I blame Murdoch
//and the constant fear of death from spiders.
 
2013-09-12 08:45:17 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: "A dingo ate my baby!".


Don't you mean, the painted dog's ate my baby.
 
2013-09-12 08:53:26 PM  

bborchar: grimlock1972: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

They would have to prove she deliberately dropped the kid and that is not an easy thing to do.

It doesn't have to be murder.  There are other charges such as child endangerment and even criminally negligent homocide.


Fortunately, the child is no longer in danger.
 
2013-09-12 09:08:07 PM  
Is it too  late to toss her in also?
 
2013-09-12 09:16:51 PM  
 As glad as I am that the zoo is completely in the right to be fighting this, it may be a bad move for them in the long run. There will likely be some stupid F'ing people on the jury. Some how, this horrible piece of human filth will be rewarded for her stupidity and gross negligence.
 
Ral
2013-09-12 09:20:57 PM  
The mother's poor judgement resulted in her child falling into an animal enclosure, with no way for her to do anything to try to reach him, and she had to watch wild animals literally tear that kid to pieces.  That's going to really fark somebody up.  I mean, try to imagine doing that with your own toddler.

Either the woman is so overcome with guilt and grief that she's in total denial that she had anything to do with it, or she's a cold golddigger who needs to go to jail.  The former is a sad situation, but the zoo is not in the wrong to defend itself when accused of being to blame.
 
2013-09-12 09:51:11 PM  

mike_d85: The_Original_Roxtar: the morsel in question
[www.wtae.com image 640x480]

Did... did they really provide the news a picture of them allowing him to play with heavy equipment?

I realize the possibility that he was perfectly safe in that situation (keys removed, trained operater supervising, etc.), but that is a toddler with it's hands on the controls of what appears to be a bulldozer.  Given the circumstances of the child's death, it may have not been the brightest move on their part.


Could be a museum. Pretty sure there are photos of me in a cab like that at a similar age from a visit somewhere, the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago IIRC.
 
2013-09-12 09:58:40 PM  

mike_d85: darth_badger: I wonder what the animals poop looked like?

At least one of them had glasses, so it probably felt like one of those portraits that stare at you.


That poor dog.  Can you imagine the pain of passing a pair of spectacles through your bowels?
 
2013-09-12 10:00:32 PM  

groppet: She must be related to the two dumb dumbs that used that slingshot on a tiger at that zoo in San Francisco last year.


I do like how the tiger tracked down those specific assholes while ignoring tons of other people though.

Protip: Don't shiat around with one of the most perfect predators evolution has ever come up with. It will fark you up.

\Yes, I have more sympathy for the Tiger in that one.
 
2013-09-12 10:03:51 PM  
I did a college internship at a zoo and wow, parents. In 8 weeks I amassed many idiotic farking parent stories but here are the two that stand out the most. We had several mountain lions that loved to play ambush with patrons (hide just under the window and pop up or jump down from a tree) and one particular woman with a stroller stood there and took pictures while two hungry-looking mountain lions gazed at the stroller (and the tasty snack inside) for several minutes. I stood there kind of in awe until she looked at me and said "isn't it great they know it's a baby and are watching over it?" at which point I had given up on caring and said "yes they know it's a baby, but they are watching it because it is a tender snack". She huffed and strollered on.

The best one is similar to the article. A man put his toddler on the top of a wall over an alligator enclosure. Seven adult alligators were in the pit below. I looked at the man and said "sir, what you are doing is incredibly unsafe and you need take your child off the wall" he looked at me with dull, insulted eyes and said "well if he falls in you'll get him" to which I replied "no, if he falls in he will be dead before he hits the water". He seriously thought that the alligators wouldn't bother his most likely injured and screaming child and that I could (or would) get in there and safe his little crotchfruit in before he ended up like Mola Ram.
 
2013-09-12 10:16:44 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Ostman:I was dropping a letter into an office in a builders yard for my boss in May, and the gate was locked as it was early. So I hopped the gate and walked around the piles of timber to the office. Where his guard Alsatian was sleeping. The dog did it's very best to let me know it didn't want a fight (although I don't know why, it was 3 metres tall at the shoulder and had teeth like knives...I think). Lots of snarling, barking, ears pinned back, etc.

For my part, I did my best to let it know I was hop ...

This is very true.  My sister called me one day and said that she was out with this guy from work who lived a few minutes from my house, and he remembered that he had left his dog outside in the back yard.  She asked me to run by his house, let myself in the backyard, and open the back door for the dog.  I agreed.  She gives me directions and I head over to the house.  I open the side gate on the fence, walk in, and see his dog chained up in the back.  It's a full grown German Shepard.  It stands up and starts barking at me, and I immediately pull one of these:

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My sister's husband comes from an extended family that has a thing for German Shepherds. They're big, yes, but loyal and well behaved. We were up visiting and playing with one- still a puppy, and while she was giant, she was also an incredibly friendly and playful dog. Tossing a rope bone in the air for her was amazing- she could jump several feet up, twisting and flipping around, just to grab that bone and land perfectly. And could do it constantly for an hour. Compared to our family's rather uncoordinated dog (catching a treat you toss straight at her mouth is an accomplishment), it was amazing to watch. I've met some other German Shepherds before too, and have never had any issues.

Of course, their cat was flat out evil. And I mean evil. It would attack people, and not just in a playful way. I think they said that there's only one person the cat trusts enough for petting. Everybody else, touching gets your hand bitten.
 
2013-09-12 10:22:10 PM  
If she had dangled her son over an empty 11-foot drop and he fell, hit his head and died, this biatch would had never dared to sue anyone. But throw a zoo into the equation and she and the lawyers smell money.
 
2013-09-12 10:54:13 PM  
the article says the lawyers for the defense say the woman lifted the kid over the rail, the woman says the kid wiggled out of her grasp when she went to pick him up and he fell over the railing. farkers have deemed this woman a liar and the lawyers as telling the truth, really if we can't trust lawyers who can we trust...
 
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