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(Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)   Lawyer for family suing zoo is "outraged" that the zoo would "attack" the poor grieving family by pointing out their son probably wouldn't have died if Mom hadn't lifted him over the safety railing and them dropped him into a wild dog exhbit   (post-gazette.com) divider line 233
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2013-09-12 03:55:04 PM

vudukungfu: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

Should have pressed them immediately  but this is shiatsberg, so you're dealing with a mass population of retards, corrupt pigs, and a court system designed to give a cheap squeak to anyone who isn't black.


You sound like a fun person without any issues.
 
2013-09-12 03:55:33 PM

Blues_X: I really do feel sorry for the family, but she's a f*cking idiot.


This.  Everything about the enclosure was up to code.  And she is claiming that the boy "wrenched out of her arms".  Really?!  How high were you holding him, and how tightly?  How close to the railing were you?

What sucks about this is that it will cost so much money for the zoo to defend itself that they will have pretty much no choice but to settle out of court.
 
2013-09-12 03:56:38 PM
At least the stupid yinzers helped clean up the gene pool.
 
2013-09-12 03:56:40 PM
grimlock1972: They would have to prove she deliberately dropped the kid and that is not an easy thing to do.

You do know that "murder" isn't the only thing on the table, right? Child endangerment, for one. I'm pretty sure dropping your kid into a pit of meat-eating teddy bears counts as "danger."

I think she wasn't charged for the same reason 90-year olds who go the wrong way on freeways are also not charged. They figure the experience is traumatic enough, pat them on the head and send them on their way.

/I don't agree with that notion. Throw the book at her, especially now that she's digging for gold.
 
2013-09-12 03:57:11 PM
If she gave a shiat about the kid, she would have jumped in and fought the dogs to her last breath. She may have even done that shiat on purpose. It would an easy way to turn a unwanted kid into a million bucks. She should charged with manslaughter, or at least reckless endangerment of a child.
 
2013-09-12 03:57:17 PM
Bull Dogshiat! She threw her kid in for a fat check.

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A small net is seen stretched out under the observation deck's viewing area. It was meant to catch items like cellphones and sunglasses, but Maddox bounced off it and into the pit according to the family.

I didn't see anything in the story about witnesses
 
2013-09-12 03:59:33 PM

Lollipop165: This is so common it amazes me. I run a rental building and during showings bring people to the roofdeck to let them see it. All the time, mom or dad will lift 3 year old Ayden over the brick railing for a better view. Or my personal favorite, when adults allow their toddlers to run around willy nilly in the dog run and let them pull the dog's ears. Cause you know, when the kid gets bit its the DOG'S fault, amiright?


Legally, yes.  And it pisses me off.  As far as I know no one has ever been able to sucessfully beat a "viscious dog" charge when someone decides that a dog biting them is a sign something is wrong with the dog.  I've lost dogs this way, so have plenty of other farkers.  People will illicit a bite from a dog and will take revenge on the animal for their ignorance of animal behavior.  Some people simply refuse to accept that animals respond differently and give different warnings than human beings.  It's as though they expect a dog st rear up on it's hind legs and say "I say, good fellow, if you continue in this behavior I shall be coerced into using force upon you" before biting.  I have never, and will never, believe a dog bit someone "without warning".  There is always warning, it may be barking, it may be growling, it may be ears pinned back, it may be flicking eyes back and forth (that's a real thing), it may be snapping, it may be sticking their tounge between their teeth (again, that's a thing), but there was SOME warning.
 
2013-09-12 03:59:55 PM

neversubmit: Bull Dogshiat! She threw her kid in for a fat check.

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A small net is seen stretched out under the observation deck's viewing area. It was meant to catch items like cellphones and sunglasses, but Maddox bounced off it and into the pit according to the family.

I didn't see anything in the story about witnesses


We need to Mythbusters that shiat and drop a 2 year old on it and see if it bounces off.
 
2013-09-12 03:59:56 PM
If a suing zoo is anything like a petting zoo then it's no small wonder that lawyers are involved.
 
2013-09-12 04:01:14 PM
Her toss of Maddox into the enclosure was a weak, pitiful effort. I could have hurled that kid at least 20 or 25 feet into the enclosure.
 
2013-09-12 04:01:14 PM

Pocket Ninja: I was almost frantic with concern when I saw this thread go more than 10 minutes without a dingo comment. I was beginning to question everything I know about Fark, whether I had somehow shifted into some alternate reality where nothing made sense anymore, whether everything I had once believed in was dead, gone, destroyed. Thankyou, TheDumbBlonde, for restoring my faith.


When you wrote "faith" you meant contempt, right?
 
2013-09-12 04:02:32 PM
Maybe I'm awful, but I love that we get stories like this every year or so.  It restores my faith in Darwin, in fact, I think it's the main reason why we should keep predators in zoos, to thin idiots from the herd.
 
2013-09-12 04:02:57 PM

onzmadi: It is people like this waste of oxygen that  we lose things like zoos. Its tragic the boy? died but using this as an opportunity for a payday is just beyond awful. I hope the mother gets Lou Gehrig's disease.


Hey HEY HEY! The poor mother could hang on for years with a disease like that, wasting away a little at a time. Think of the expense. And since I'm in the completely-wrong 1% bracket, my taxes are high enough as it is. Come up with something that doesn't involve huge governmental outlays for medical assistance, like maybe she falls into a vat of liquid poop and has to drink her way out and her stomach explodes with the last sip, or she gets a bit part in one of the Saw movies and Something Goes Tragically Wrong, the gun was accidentally loaded with real bullets or some such. A few thousand for the emergency room, OK, I don't mind, just get her to the morgue as fast as possible.

Besides, Lou Gehrig shouldn't have his disease associated with people like this. Let her be the index case for her own incurable disease so long as it works quick. We could call it Assholitis.
 
2013-09-12 04:03:00 PM
the morsel in question
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2013-09-12 04:05:27 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Normally I'd agree that blaming a parent for a death in the midst of a lawsuit is scummy, but it appears warranted in this case.

Why the fark do people not understand that safety warnings apply to them, too? It's not like a speed limit or some stupid rule that is annoying and seemingly designed only to give govt entities an excuse to fine you.

It's an actual safety measure designed to keep you from dying. Why the fark do people ignore shiat like that? So the kid can get a better look at a bunch of dogs?

I feel certain she'll be blaming herself for his death until she herself dies. And she should. Because it is her fault, if the situation is as the story describes.

I've seen people prop their very young children on the railing at the zoo. Idiots.


It seems odd, but the more you regulate and legislate the more this will happen.  People who are very stupid or naive reason that since everything has a rule attached and they've never been harmed by breaking the rules, this time will be safe too.  An intelligent or wise person can make the distinction between a rule that has minor consequences (traffic fines) and one that can be deadly (dangling your child over hungry wild animals).  Morons will just continue to push the envelope since that could "never happen to them".  Usually this comes from being coddled and sheltered, though eating lead paint chips as a kids could have an influence.

"Hey y'all!  Watch this!"
 
2013-09-12 04:05:40 PM
Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".
 
2013-09-12 04:07:27 PM

Well I use Mac/Linux...: neversubmit: Bull Dogshiat! She threw her kid in for a fat check.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x403]

A small net is seen stretched out under the observation deck's viewing area. It was meant to catch items like cellphones and sunglasses, but Maddox bounced off it and into the pit according to the family.

I didn't see anything in the story about witnesses

We need to Mythbusters that shiat and drop a 2 year old on it and see if it bounces off.


As far as I tell only the family said he even hit it. Still it a weight of the same amount as the kid doesn't bounce off the net it would put a hole in their story.
 
2013-09-12 04:08:13 PM
Take the animals out of the equation, it should still be obvious that hoisting your son over a cliffside railing and then dropping him isn't really a safe thing to do.
 
2013-09-12 04:10:00 PM

bborchar: I did feel bad for her, but not anymore.  She did something incredibly stupid with her kid, and while we all do it to some degree, her mistake had tragic consequences.  Instead of learning from that, she's obviously ignored the incredible guilt she feels because if I were her, there would have been no way on god's green earth that I wouldn't have plunged down into that pit to die with my son as well after doing something so so SOOOOO stupid.

Amazingly, I've taken both of my kids to that zoo, and neither one has been mauled to death by animals.  Guess we're just anomalies.


You suck at Zooing then!
 
2013-09-12 04:10:12 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: the morsel in question
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Poor little guy. Look at his coke bottle glasses, though. Apparently his vision was very poor. Perhaps a different type of zoo, one where he could safely get up close to and touch the animals, would have been a better experience. Why mom thought he needed to go look at blurs in the distance I don't know.
 
2013-09-12 04:10:24 PM
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2013-09-12 04:10:41 PM

mike_d85: Lollipop165: This is so common it amazes me. I run a rental building and during showings bring people to the roofdeck to let them see it. All the time, mom or dad will lift 3 year old Ayden over the brick railing for a better view. Or my personal favorite, when adults allow their toddlers to run around willy nilly in the dog run and let them pull the dog's ears. Cause you know, when the kid gets bit its the DOG'S fault, amiright?

Legally, yes.  And it pisses me off.  As far as I know no one has ever been able to sucessfully beat a "viscious dog" charge when someone decides that a dog biting them is a sign something is wrong with the dog.  I've lost dogs this way, so have plenty of other farkers.  People will illicit a bite from a dog and will take revenge on the animal for their ignorance of animal behavior.  Some people simply refuse to accept that animals respond differently and give different warnings than human beings.  It's as though they expect a dog st rear up on it's hind legs and say "I say, good fellow, if you continue in this behavior I shall be coerced into using force upon you" before biting.  I have never, and will never, believe a dog bit someone "without warning".  There is always warning, it may be barking, it may be growling, it may be ears pinned back, it may be flicking eyes back and forth (that's a real thing), it may be snapping, it may be sticking their tounge between their teeth (again, that's a thing), but there was SOME warning.


I was at a beer festival a few months back, and there was this couple who was just letting their toddler run completely amok, barely paying any attention to him.  They looked completely farking trashy too.  Covered in tats and with dumb shiat sticking in their ears.  Anyhow, as they are busy not watching their kid, an old man walks by with two medium-sized dogs, both on leashes and walking right at his side.  The toddler runs straight up to the dogs and screams excitedly.  One of the dogs barks loudly and lunges at the kid.  The kid of course starts crying and his dad walks over and gives the old man this look like "What the fark are you doing?!"  I couldn't hear what he said, but the old man started really yelling at the dad.  It looked like somebody was going to throw a punch for a moment.  Then, not a minute later, after they stopped watching their kid AGAIN, he grabbed a full pint glass that someone had set down on his stroller and tried to drink it, tipping the entire glass of beer in his face and all down the front of his clothes.  farking parents of the year right there.
 
2013-09-12 04:13:01 PM
It's about time companies and businesses started standing up for themselves against the dumb people of this world.
 
2013-09-12 04:13:17 PM
fark her and her spurious lawsuit.

The zoo should charge her for the cost of one painted dog plus cleaning fees. Maybe a bit more for a vet visit in case any of their animals got indigestion from eating her boy. (Painted dogs are only allowed one treat a day, and only if they ate all their painted dog food.)
 
2013-09-12 04:13:30 PM
Painted dogs?
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2013-09-12 04:14:02 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: the morsel in question
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Did... did they really provide the news a picture of them allowing him to play with heavy equipment?

I realize the possibility that he was perfectly safe in that situation (keys removed, trained operater supervising, etc.), but that is a toddler with it's hands on the controls of what appears to be a bulldozer.  Given the circumstances of the child's death, it may have not been the brightest move on their part.
 
2013-09-12 04:14:18 PM

gambitsgirl: grimlock1972: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

They would have to prove she deliberately dropped the kid and that is not an easy thing to do.

Even for endangering a child? Lifting them over the friggin railing and dropping them is negligent


Well, in her defense, when she took Maddox to Niagara Falls and he fell over the railing, Superman saved him... so maybe she thought he'd do it again...

But seriously... a 45 degree tilted railing... she'd have to hold that kid so far over and out for him to get a better look... I'm surprised one of the other zoo attendees didn't slap her yelling "WTF you doing with that kid biatch?!?!"
 
2013-09-12 04:14:24 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: zoo should counter-sue for the cost of replacing the endangered animal they had to shoot in attempting to save the kid.


The entire exhibit is gone. At least they didn't kill the other dogs, but man, I used to really like that exhibit.

Pittsburgh Zoo's enclosures for the animals are mostly railing-and-moat type enclosures. Very few of them are actually cages. The zoo is set up for awesome visibility of the animals and giving them space to live comfortably. I really think this woman is just a negligent idiot who didn't take a farking thing about the fact that these are wild animals seriously, and her stupidity caused her kid's death.

This lawsuit is just her way of avoiding the fact that she, and she alone, is responsible for what happened.
 
2013-09-12 04:15:11 PM

grimlock1972: R.A.Danny: Why haven't charges been pressed against the mother?

They would have to prove she deliberately dropped the kid and that is not an easy thing to do.


That would only be true if she was suspected of murder. No one is suspecting her of murder, but she nonetheless recklessly endangered him when she lifted him over the railing.
 
2013-09-12 04:17:04 PM

stonicus: Well, in her defense, when she took Maddox to Niagara Falls and he fell over the railing, Superman saved him... so maybe she thought he'd do it again...


much like spidermans policy, everybody gets one
 
2013-09-12 04:17:37 PM

Well I use Mac/Linux...: mike_d85: Lollipop165: This is so common it amazes me. I run a rental building and during showings bring people to the roofdeck to let them see it. All the time, mom or dad will lift 3 year old Ayden over the brick railing for a better view. Or my personal favorite, when adults allow their toddlers to run around willy nilly in the dog run and let them pull the dog's ears. Cause you know, when the kid gets bit its the DOG'S fault, amiright?

Legally, yes.  And it pisses me off.  As far as I know no one has ever been able to sucessfully beat a "viscious dog" charge when someone decides that a dog biting them is a sign something is wrong with the dog.  I've lost dogs this way, so have plenty of other farkers.  People will illicit a bite from a dog and will take revenge on the animal for their ignorance of animal behavior.  Some people simply refuse to accept that animals respond differently and give different warnings than human beings.  It's as though they expect a dog st rear up on it's hind legs and say "I say, good fellow, if you continue in this behavior I shall be coerced into using force upon you" before biting.  I have never, and will never, believe a dog bit someone "without warning".  There is always warning, it may be barking, it may be growling, it may be ears pinned back, it may be flicking eyes back and forth (that's a real thing), it may be snapping, it may be sticking their tounge between their teeth (again, that's a thing), but there was SOME warning.

I was at a beer festival a few months back, and there was this couple who was just letting their toddler run completely amok, barely paying any attention to him.  They looked completely farking trashy too.  Covered in tats and with dumb shiat sticking in their ears.  Anyhow, as they are busy not watching their kid, an old man walks by with two medium-sized dogs, both on leashes and walking right at his side.  The toddler runs straight up to the dogs and screams excitedly.  One of the dogs barks loudly an ...


I work in the public library system and daily see trashy parents completely ignoring their kid, then screeching when their kid almost gets hurt (we have 5 flights of marble staircases) or almost runs out the door (which faces a very busy street).
 
2013-09-12 04:18:13 PM

namegoeshere: The_Original_Roxtar: the morsel in question
[www.wtae.com image 640x480]

Poor little guy. Look at his coke bottle glasses, though. Apparently his vision was very poor. Perhaps a different type of zoo, one where he could safely get up close to and touch the animals, would have been a better experience. Why mom thought he needed to go look at blurs in the distance I don't know.


This.

There are two relatively well-known petting zoos about an hour north and 90 minutes east of Pittsburgh.

http://www.ltanimalpark.com/">http://www.ltanimalpark.com/
 
2013-09-12 04:19:01 PM

mike_d85: Legally, yes.  And it pisses me off.


At my dog run, people will tell the kids to leave and more often than not talk shiat to the parents who let the kids in in the first place. I don't blame them at all and do this myself. ALL THE TIME the parents act like WE are the ones being jerks. How these people can't understand that CHILDREN and DOG RUNS do not mix I have no clue.
 
2013-09-12 04:19:39 PM
People that name their children other people's surnames deserve to have their babies eaten by dingos.
 
2013-09-12 04:20:34 PM

R.A.Danny: Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".


...oh, that's OK, I really wanted to stay awake with my thoughts tonight.
 
2013-09-12 04:23:33 PM

R.A.Danny: Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".


This :(
 
2013-09-12 04:24:00 PM
This makes me get all stabby feeling.  What a complete and utter piece of crap that woman is.
 
2013-09-12 04:25:13 PM
I bet she was also one of those moms who refuses to read the signs that are every ten feet when her kid asks what they're looking at.
 
2013-09-12 04:26:20 PM

pestluvr: R.A.Danny: Morsel. HAHAHAHA!!

Really though, being a dad, this farking crushes me. He trusted his mommy, and I'm sure his last thought as he was being torn to shreds and in agonizing pain was "Mommy will fix this".

...oh, that's OK, I really wanted to stay awake with my thoughts tonight.


This too. :(
 
2013-09-12 04:27:33 PM
I'll see you all in the "I'm still too sad and angry to sleep" thread.
 
2013-09-12 04:30:46 PM

vento: You sound like a fun person without any issues.


YOU spend 20 years trying to turn the "Hill" into a nice neighborhood by working with kids that live there.
Eventually, you will want to torch the entire three rivers area.
 
2013-09-12 04:31:43 PM
The Pittsburgh Zoo is a beautiful, modern zoo and the mother is an irresponsible idjot.
 
2013-09-12 04:33:22 PM

mike_d85: Lollipop165: This is so common it amazes me. I run a rental building and during showings bring people to the roofdeck to let them see it. All the time, mom or dad will lift 3 year old Ayden over the brick railing for a better view. Or my personal favorite, when adults allow their toddlers to run around willy nilly in the dog run and let them pull the dog's ears. Cause you know, when the kid gets bit its the DOG'S fault, amiright?

Legally, yes.  And it pisses me off.  As far as I know no one has ever been able to sucessfully beat a "viscious dog" charge when someone decides that a dog biting them is a sign something is wrong with the dog.  I've lost dogs this way, so have plenty of other farkers.  People will illicit a bite from a dog and will take revenge on the animal for their ignorance of animal behavior.  Some people simply refuse to accept that animals respond differently and give different warnings than human beings.  It's as though they expect a dog st rear up on it's hind legs and say "I say, good fellow, if you continue in this behavior I shall be coerced into using force upon you" before biting.  I have never, and will never, believe a dog bit someone "without warning".  There is always warning, it may be barking, it may be growling, it may be ears pinned back, it may be flicking eyes back and forth (that's a real thing), it may be snapping, it may be sticking their tounge between their teeth (again, that's a thing), but there was SOME warning.


This.

I was dropping a letter into an office in a builders yard for my boss in May, and the gate was locked as it was early. So I hopped the gate and walked around the piles of timber to the office. Where his guard Alsatian was sleeping. The dog did it's very best to let me know it didn't want a fight (although I don't know why, it was 3 metres tall at the shoulder and had teeth like knives...I think). Lots of snarling, barking, ears pinned back, etc.

For my part, I did my best to let it know I was hoping for a diplomatic resolution to the conflict. Eyes down, slowly walking backwards. What I can't understand is people not telling their kids how to deal with aggressive dogs. If you don't want them to drown, teach them to swim. If you don't want them to get bitten, teach them not to run screaming with their arms flailing. It doesn't usually help.

/Yes, I should have guessed it was guarded, but it was early and I hadn't had my coffee.
//There is always a warning. Dogs don't actually want to fight you. That shiat's dangerous , yo.
 
2013-09-12 04:33:44 PM

MBooda: Painted dogs?
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[who'sawesome?you'reawesomedog.jpg]

My parent's have had a huge Blue Dog painting in their living room for years. They love Rodrigue
 
2013-09-12 04:33:51 PM

vudukungfu: vento: You sound like a fun person without any issues.

YOU spend 20 years trying to turn the "Hill" into a nice neighborhood by working with kids that live there.
Eventually, you will want to torch the entire three rivers area.


I apologize for my comment.  That's no easy task.  Not many people would be anywhere near as committed as you.  You truly have my utmost respect.
 
2013-09-12 04:33:56 PM
Yes, this is Fark, but as a parent, this just breaks my heart.  I just can't poke fun at the gruesome death of a nearly-blind toddler.
 
2013-09-12 04:34:17 PM
Why didn't she jump in after him?  If I dropped my kid I'd be following him.
 
2013-09-12 04:34:45 PM
Mission Accomplished, the kid got an up close look the wild dogs just like he wanted.
 
2013-09-12 04:35:50 PM

stonicus: But seriously... a 45 degree tilted railing... she'd have to hold that kid so far over and out for him to get a better look... I'm surprised one of the other zoo attendees didn't slap her yelling "WTF you doing with that kid biatch?!?!"


I can't find it now, but somewhere back when this happened a person claiming to have been a witness said that she put the kid on the railing and then turned around to get a camera out of the stroller before he fell.
 
2013-09-12 04:36:43 PM
They didn't want that kid anymore since they had little Roethlisberger a year later
 
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