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2013-09-12 02:18:01 PM  
I would be interested to see how flavorless they can make it.
 
2013-09-12 02:23:04 PM  
Blood pudding pizza.  Yum!
 
2013-09-12 02:25:35 PM  
New Papa Nigel's Bangers and Mash pizza!
 
2013-09-12 02:38:07 PM  
I have a good friend in Sweden, they put tuna on theirs.  Doesn't sound horrible, just weird.  Bone marrow though, that's horrible AND weird.
 
2013-09-12 02:42:20 PM  
How do you boil dough?
 
2013-09-12 02:47:15 PM  
I never had pineapple on a pizza until I had it from my aunt in Dublin's favourite pizza place.

And they used cheddar cheese......

brr.....
 
2013-09-12 02:49:15 PM  
It's got to be better than that New York cardboard crap.
 
2013-09-12 02:49:44 PM  
It's got curry on it, right?
 
2013-09-12 02:50:05 PM  

FrancoFile: How do you boil dough?


Isn't that how pretzels are made?
 
2013-09-12 02:50:41 PM  

URAPNIS: It's got to be better than that New York cardboard crap.


And we're off and running....
 
2013-09-12 02:51:04 PM  
mmm kidney pizza pie
 
2013-09-12 02:51:58 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: FrancoFile: How do you boil dough?

Isn't that how pretzels are made?


and bagels
 
2013-09-12 02:52:35 PM  

URAPNIS: It's got to be better than that New York cardboard crap.


Good try, Alabama.  I'm sure the pizza in Times Square did suck.
 
2013-09-12 02:52:54 PM  
Those are all fine examples of pizza toppings.  Just keep off the damn pineapple!
 
2013-09-12 02:53:00 PM  

URAPNIS: It's got to be better than that New York cardboard crap.


8/10.  You're gonna get a ton of bites.  If this had been a Deli sandwich thread you'd have got the full 10 points, and probably your house torched, as well.
 
2013-09-12 02:53:20 PM  

Is it better than Ohio-style?
 
2013-09-12 02:53:26 PM  

ChrisDe: URAPNIS: It's got to be better than that New York cardboard crap.

And we're off and running....


Hey!  I'm a proud NJ pizza snob, and I will be the first to admit that well-made Chicago deep-dish is among
the yummiest of foods around.

Its not pizza to be sure, but it is damn tasty.
 
2013-09-12 02:53:36 PM  
Bland, burned in some places and uncooked in others. So they're just heating up cheap frozen pizzas?
 
2013-09-12 02:54:40 PM  
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2013-09-12 02:54:59 PM  
As long as you don't put slices of hard boiled egg on it, I can prolly hang

/that was across the Atlantic, many moons ago
 
2013-09-12 02:55:12 PM  
I had something labelled pizza in England once about...*sob*...twenty years ago.  A round piece of cardboard with some ketchup and waxy flavorless cheese.
 
2013-09-12 02:55:12 PM  

FrancoFile: How do you boil dough?


In a boil-dough-zer?
 
2013-09-12 02:55:41 PM  
What is it, vomit on toast?
*click link*
Yep.
 
2013-09-12 02:55:49 PM  
I recall Douglas' Adam's comment on pizza in Dirk Gently's Shada.

Incidentally, this holds nothing to BBQ Chicken.
 
2013-09-12 02:57:10 PM  

UberDave: I would be interested to see how flavorless they can make it.


Easy, use the "Standard British Method"

1) Add ingredients to water in a pot
2) Boil until all flavor is extracted in to water
3) Discard water
4) Serve remaining flavorless mush

When in the UK I usually add a step 5

5) Find an Indian restaurant
 
2013-09-12 02:57:35 PM  

UberDave


I would be interested to see how flavorless they can make it.


Wow, Ned Flanders is on Fark.
 
2013-09-12 02:57:52 PM  

blatz514: Those are all fine examples of pizza toppings.  Just keep off the damn pineapple!


Freaked out at my first pineapple pizza (which also had Canadian bacon and green peppers).

It's great without the peppers. And since hot is the only way I like pineapple, it works.

/Still best to have Italian sausage and mushrooms, however.
//Fat.
 
2013-09-12 02:57:53 PM  

URAPNIS: It's got to be better than that New York cardboard crap.


Jealousy is so ugly.
 
2013-09-12 02:57:57 PM  
I bet they boil it
 
2013-09-12 02:58:22 PM  

nekom: I have a good friend in Sweden, they put tuna on theirs.  Doesn't sound horrible, just weird.  Bone marrow though, that's horrible AND weird.


Tuna? Not that common. However, Kebab Pizza is where the magic is at (most popular pizza type in Sweden):

www.glimmapizzeria.se
 
2013-09-12 02:58:39 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: URAPNIS: It's got to be better than that New York cardboard crap.

Good try, Alabama.  I'm sure the pizza in Times Square did suck.


cdn.uproxx.com
 
2013-09-12 02:58:40 PM  
Best homemade pizza: Ahi tuna with green thai curry sauce sprinkled with sesame seeds. Yum!
 
2013-09-12 02:58:53 PM  
Flavorless or fried. Those are the 2 possible outcomes.
 
2013-09-12 02:59:08 PM  
More remarkably, unlike their Hawaiian and peking duck predecessors, some of these experimental creations actually work.

fark you, Limey, Hawaiian pizza is awesome.
 
2013-09-12 02:59:15 PM  

FrancoFile: How do you boil dough?


- "You don't boil pizza!" *BLAM* *BLAM* *BLAM*

- "THAT'S THE WAY WE EAT IT HERE! THAT'S THE WAY W-AAAARGH!"

- "YOUR FOOD SUUUCKS!" *BLAM* *BLAM*

/RIP Bill Hicks
 
2013-09-12 02:59:34 PM  
In London last month, I ate some of the best food I have ever eaten; roast bone marrow and parsley "salad", braised duck leg, saddle of rabbit and the best pot of caramel creme.  I don't think British food is as bad anymore as it has been made out to be.  I'd be willing to try some British pizza.
 
2013-09-12 03:00:06 PM  

blatz514: Just keep off the damn pineapple!


Hmmmmm..... pizza with pineapple and crispy bacon.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-12 03:00:45 PM  

stirfrybry: Best homemade pizza: Ahi tuna with green thai curry sauce sprinkled with sesame seeds. Yum!


Pizza Hut in China had a salmon and wasabi seasonal special on their menu for a while. Never tried it.
 
2013-09-12 03:00:47 PM  
I'm surprised some Yank hasn't either...

1) Barbequed a pizza

or 2) deep fried one yet.


Please feel free not to provide any examples, thx.
 
2013-09-12 03:02:16 PM  
Bone marrow pizza is English? I thought that was Swedish

fark: Pizza topped with bone marrow and cabbage wins Swedish pizza championships   posted to Main » on 07 Jun 2013

and yes traditional Swedish food (that isn't fresh seafood) is worse than traditional English food.
 
2013-09-12 03:03:28 PM  

gopher321: I'm surprised some Yank hasn't either...

1) Barbequed a pizza

or 2) deep fried one yet.


Please feel free not to provide any examples, thx.


1) Grilled pizza is yummy.  Pizza with barbeque chicken is also  yummy.  I am unsure how to barbeque a pizza.

2) Pizza Rolls are deep fried.
 
2013-09-12 03:03:29 PM  

gopher321: I'm surprised some Yank hasn't either...

1) Barbequed a pizza

or 2) deep fried one yet.


Please feel free not to provide any examples, thx.


You mean make a pizza on a grill?

www.bbqjunkie.com
 
2013-09-12 03:03:32 PM  

gopher321: I'm surprised some Yank hasn't either...

1) Barbequed a pizza

or 2) deep fried one yet.


Please feel free not to provide any examples, thx.


24.media.tumblr.com
Pizza Taco biatch.
 
2013-09-12 03:04:04 PM  
I'd eat a whole pie of whatever crap they call pizza over there before ever having another bite of St. Louis style pizza again.
 
2013-09-12 03:04:21 PM  

farkingismybusiness: gopher321: I'm surprised some Yank hasn't either...

1) Barbequed a pizza

or 2) deep fried one yet.


Please feel free not to provide any examples, thx.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 364x393]
Pizza Taco biatch.


That is deeply unsettling.
 
2013-09-12 03:04:54 PM  
Kebab meat on a pizza: sounds good to me.

Kebab meat on a British imitation of a pizza: I'll pass. Looks like something they threw out of the test lab at California Pizza Kitchen
 
2013-09-12 03:04:57 PM  
Mmmm  marmite pizza. Yeasty...
 
2013-09-12 03:05:22 PM  
Did they just dis Hawaiian pizza?  The pineapple only works with ham/canadian bacon, but it works there.
 
2013-09-12 03:05:31 PM  

FooDog: nekom: I have a good friend in Sweden, they put tuna on theirs.  Doesn't sound horrible, just weird.  Bone marrow though, that's horrible AND weird.

Tuna? Not that common. However, KebabLutefisk Pizza is where the magic is at (most popular pizza type in Sweden):

[www.glimmapizzeria.se image 800x600]


FTFY
 
2013-09-12 03:05:41 PM  
Boiled dough?
 
2013-09-12 03:05:46 PM  
Never tried British pizza, but my husband hated Italian pizza: he forgot to order cheese for his once, and got octopus on his at another place (somehow thought he was ordering a particular spicy sausage we liked). But he kept trying at every little shop he found.....
 
2013-09-12 03:06:48 PM  

farkingismybusiness: gopher321: I'm surprised some Yank hasn't either...

1) Barbequed a pizza

or 2) deep fried one yet.


Please feel free not to provide any examples, thx.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 364x393]
Pizza Taco biatch.


Also known as a half-assed calzone
 
2013-09-12 03:06:59 PM  
I've seen pizzas on menus in London with sunny side up eggs right on the top. Weird. I did't order it.

The food in England was great. And everyone had all their teeth. Shocker.
 
2013-09-12 03:07:04 PM  
Is that when you eat bologna slices off of a chav with an orange spray tan?
 
2013-09-12 03:07:33 PM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUP7U5vTMM0">http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=PUP7U5vTMM0

Say what you want about British cooking but I will never go back to the Denny's style yellow ribbons of rubbery egg bits.

/Not pizza related
 
2013-09-12 03:08:17 PM  

Highroller48


FrancoFile: How do you boil dough?

In a boil-dough-zer?


You I like.
 
2013-09-12 03:09:19 PM  
You should try pizza in Asian countries, its....interesting.
 
2013-09-12 03:09:26 PM  
gopher321: I'm surprised some Yank hasn't either...

1) Barbequed a pizza

or 2) deep fried one yet.


These are available from most chip shops in Scotland. While there can also get a deep-fried Mars Bar for dessert.

Why yes, heart disease is an issue in Scotland, why do you ask?
 
2013-09-12 03:09:31 PM  
We Americans shouldn't make fun of them. We add Velveeta to Shepherd's Pie.

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/Actually, it's pretty tasty. And I hate Velveeta.
 
2013-09-12 03:10:48 PM  
Over the last 10 years, my household has steadily replaced Pizza Hut (our go to place for fresh baked pies for 20 years) with Papa Johns. And to be honest, we aren't looking back. They make a mean pie, and the garlic dipping sauce and fresh peppers are always a welcomed touch.
 
2013-09-12 03:10:55 PM  

farkingismybusiness: gopher321: I'm surprised some Yank hasn't either...

1) Barbequed a pizza

or 2) deep fried one yet.


Please feel free not to provide any examples, thx.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 364x393]
Pizza Taco biatch.


Pizza?  Now that's what I call a taco!!
 
2013-09-12 03:12:00 PM  
At my local greasy,   I used to order an unsliced 12 inch meat feast pizza,    and a chicken tikka madras curry..     and make a homemade calzone...


Awesome !
 
2013-09-12 03:12:24 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: ChrisDe: URAPNIS: It's got to be better than that New York cardboard crap.

And we're off and running....

Hey!  I'm a proud NJ pizza snob, and I will be the first to admit that well-made Chicago deep-dish is among
the yummiest of foods around.

Its not pizza to be sure, but it is damn tasty.


Agreed, and I love NJ/NY pizza as well.  What they are doing to pizza should not be considered, or be allowed to call "pizza", this is false advertising.  I guess just because it's made with dough, they are defining it as such.
 
2013-09-12 03:12:40 PM  

jigger: UrukHaiGuyz: FrancoFile: How do you boil dough?

Isn't that how pretzels are made?

and bagels


Meh - those are both either briefly dipped in boiling water, or steamed, and then finished in a regular oven.  They aren't pasta.
 
2013-09-12 03:12:47 PM  
It's always hilarious when Americans attempt to make fun of the food in other countries.
 
2013-09-12 03:13:18 PM  
Fish-and-Chips pizza is delicious!
 
2013-09-12 03:13:45 PM  
Slow roasted bone marrow (roasted still in the bone) is one of the most incredible things I have ever had in my entire life.  It is definitely in my Top 10 of All Time Favorite Foods.  I imagine it would be incredible on a pizza.
 
2013-09-12 03:14:11 PM  
My British Pizza was only lukewarm.  I guess it was "British hot".
 
2013-09-12 03:14:22 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Over the last 10 years, my household has steadily replaced Pizza Hut (our go to place for fresh baked pies for 20 years) with Papa Johns. And to be honest, we aren't looking back. They make a mean pie, and the garlic dipping sauce and fresh peppers are always a welcomed touch.


I remember when Papa Johns was delicious. 20 years ago they had cheese and not cheese like product.
 
2013-09-12 03:14:49 PM  
In the early '90s, I was part of a team of Canadian IT developers who installed the first single-number 44 minutes or it's free pizza delivery system in the UK. Our customer's pizza menu was a bit of an eye-opener for us. I don't remember all the odd  toppings, but sweet corn was one of them. I remember it because it actually worked for me.

On a side note, there are very good reasons why there are so many British pubs in the world, but so few British restaurants...
 
2013-09-12 03:15:06 PM  

gopher321: I'm surprised some Yank hasn't either...

1) Barbequed a pizza

or 2) deep fried one yet.


Please feel free not to provide any examples, thx.


Deep fried pizza is a Scottish thing. Hell, they'll deep fry a salad if you ask.
 
2013-09-12 03:15:09 PM  
For all the Chicago Farkers out there, if you get the chance, go to VOLO and order their bone marrow.
 
2013-09-12 03:15:27 PM  

Highroller48: URAPNIS: It's got to be better than that New York cardboard crap.

8/10.  You're gonna get a ton of bites.  If this had been a Deli sandwich thread you'd have got the full 10 points, and probably your house torched, as well.


Yah, kinda like brew threads where a Natty Lite drinker is getting beat up by "craft" drinkers. One can develop a taste for the cheap crappy stuff especially if they have some pretentious and misguided  pride in it so they automatically go on the offensive under the guise of calling someone a troll.
 
2013-09-12 03:16:08 PM  
I don't know why people make fun of British food, every restaurant I ate at in London was delicious, both the curry places and the more traditional pubs. Steak and kidney pie is awesome, so is a full English breakfast. Although fyi, never order the nachos in a British pub, they will be awful.
 
2013-09-12 03:16:18 PM  
but i draw the line at corn

regular whole kernel corn is a pizza topping in england

just say no
 
2013-09-12 03:16:36 PM  

gopher321


I'm surprised some Yank hasn't either...

1) Barbequed a pizza

or 2) deep fried one yet.


I'm a little surprised you didn't mention chocolate-covered pizza.

No, I don't know if it's a thing.

No, I don't want to know if it's a thing.
 
2013-09-12 03:16:44 PM  
When I make pizza at home, I make a thin, crispy crust.  But for delivery pizza, I like something much thicker than a NY slice, but not Chicago deep dish, either.  Something like this:

http://b52pizza.com/images/Sicillian.JPG
 
2013-09-12 03:18:21 PM  

Mock26: For all the Chicago Farkers out there, if you get the chance, go to VOLO and order their bone marrow.


Vegans Only Live Once?
 
2013-09-12 03:18:48 PM  

gopher321: I'm surprised some Yank hasn't either...

1) Barbequed a pizza

or 2) deep fried one yet.


Please feel free not to provide any examples, thx.


Quess what? We've done both for years.

BBQ pizza with bbq sauce instead of pizza sauce and smoked bbq meat is something most non chains have. Pizza rolls are deep fried.
 
2013-09-12 03:19:17 PM  
I freaking love bone marrow.

The unfortunate thing is that now that it is back on a lot of menus people are actually buying it again.

Used to be you could get the butcher to practically give that stuff away.
 
2013-09-12 03:19:21 PM  
Mock26: For all the Chicago Farkers out there, if you get the chance, go to VOLO and order their bone marrow.


New to Chicago, will definitely try this weekend.
 
2013-09-12 03:19:32 PM  

UberDave: I would be interested to see how flavorless they can make it.


Pretty damn flavorless. In my hometown we make more pizza to sell around the world in a week than Italy does in a year. Have done for decades so it's nothing new.
 
2013-09-12 03:22:40 PM  
extra these please

www.frostsfish.com

/anyone?
 
2013-09-12 03:22:44 PM  

FooDog: nekom: I have a good friend in Sweden, they put tuna on theirs.  Doesn't sound horrible, just weird.  Bone marrow though, that's horrible AND weird.

Tuna? Not that common. However, Kebab Pizza is where the magic is at (most popular pizza type in Sweden):

[www.glimmapizzeria.se image 800x600]


I'd kick you in the head right now for a kebab pizza. I have yet to find anyplace that makes a good Doner Kebab in TX.
 
2013-09-12 03:23:52 PM  

Deedeemarz: Never tried British pizza, but my husband hated Italian pizza: he forgot to order cheese for his once, and got octopus on his at another place (somehow thought he was ordering a particular spicy sausage we liked). But he kept trying at every little shop he found.....


Polipo (or polpo) octopus
Polpetta = meaball

Hubby needs to work on is pronunciation.

Also, if he hates Italian pizza, he hates pizza.
 
Ant
2013-09-12 03:24:59 PM  

baconbeard: It's got curry on it, right?


My wife sometimes make a chicken tikka masala pizza with tandoori chicken and masala sauce. It's awesome!
 
2013-09-12 03:28:19 PM  
Eh, it can't be worse than Japanese pizza.  Which is the pits.

Chicago Deep Dish is a great style, I love it, but as a traditionalist I can't quite fully approve of it.  The best pizza is actually really simple:  a slice of Sicilian red with a mostly cherry tomato sauce base on the bottom, topped by a slice of Sicilian white.

I hail from outside Scranton, PA, which has statistically been demonstrated to be the capital of pizza in the United States.  The Jersey Shore, which has 2.23 pizza shops per 10,000 inhabitants, is number two in the US, and is well known for its pizza.  But the Scranton area has 5.18 shops per 10,000 inhabitants.  Most of the places don't call themselves Italian, anyway.  They're Sicilian, or Milano, or Roma style, and they'll be pleased to let you know it.  Each shop has a style that corresponds to a section of Italy.  (Except for the horrid franchises, which suck.  But you know them.)  And pizza critics who travel have wrote many things about Scranton (specifically, the neighborhood of Old Forge, where most of the best are).

My pick is Colarusso's, which has five different locations.  There are five brothers and sisters who each use the same recipe, who work in different neighborhoods, and they all do very well for themselves.  The sauce is the perfect mix of tart, sour, but with just a hint of sweetness, and the crust is light but firm.  But if you want to have the original white pizza (no, really, it was made in America, in Old Forge), go to Arcaro and Genell's.

I've been in Philly for five years, and it's all horrible here. (Philly knows meat, but pizza?  No.)  New York?  Too soft crusts, the sauce is usually too sweet, and letting pizza sit and cool and then reheating it is a recipe for fail in terms of texture.  Chicago is delightfully greasy and usually has good sauce, but the quantity of crust is ... eh, not my thing.

Get to Scranton on Columbus Day weekend.  All the family shops from up and down the line set up tents and compete.  And you'll be the winner.

/ hears they have cannoli
// never ended up having it there
 
2013-09-12 03:28:20 PM  

Oh God I can't find good pizza here.  It's a joke.  There are of course the US chains like Pizza Hut and Pappa John's who push the same crap they do at home.  Then there's the major native chain Pizza Express which seems to be trying to do Italian style pizzas but fails horribly.  I've tried a variety of independent and mom&pop type places too - they are usually associated with a kebab shop or a fried chicken place. Most of them cant get the crust right - like a big chewey, soggy loaf of bread with a tiny little bit of ketchup on top and an extremely precious amount of toppings.


For real "weird" pizza that actually works, see Flying Wedge (PDF link). Perogi pizza rocks!

 
Ant
2013-09-12 03:29:11 PM  

HairBolus: and yes traditional Swedish food (that isn't fresh seafood) is worse than traditional English food.


You just gave me an idea: Swedish meatball pizza with lingonberries!
 
2013-09-12 03:29:40 PM  
Why are people posting pictures of boxes? Eat freshly made food, guys.

In the UK (at least where I am) most independent take-away places sell chicken, burgers, kebab & pizza

THEY ALSO OPEN WHEN I NEED FOOD.
My local one's opening times :

MON & THUR 4PM - 3.30AM
TUE, WED & SUN 4PM - 3AM
FRI 4PM - 4.30AM
SAT 4PM - 5AM
 
2013-09-12 03:29:43 PM  

gopher321: I'm surprised some Yank hasn't either...

1) Barbequed a pizza

or 2) deep fried one yet.


Please feel free not to provide any examples, thx.


Really?  I grill pizzas all the time.  But if you meant the real definition of barbecue, you pretty much can't 'low and slow' pizza dough unless you want a frisbee.
 
2013-09-12 03:29:50 PM  

wildcardjack: Hell, they'll deep fry a salad if you ask.


Japanese have been doing that forever. It's called tempura
 
2013-09-12 03:30:12 PM  

nekom: I have a good friend in Sweden, they put tuna on theirs.  Doesn't sound horrible, just weird.  Bone marrow though, that's horrible AND weird.


When we make home-made pizza I like putting tuna on mine, I use canned tuna in olive oil (canned tuna in water is pretty flavourless), it's perfect for pizza. Bone marrow ? I like bone marrow, it's neither horrible nor weird, so I'll be happy to try it.

Thanks for the idea.
 
ows
2013-09-12 03:32:54 PM  
bacon, bannana peppers, and goat cheese.
 
2013-09-12 03:33:08 PM  

nekom: I have a good friend in Sweden, they put tuna on theirs.  Doesn't sound horrible, just weird.  Bone marrow though, that's horrible AND weird.


Tuna pizza is pretty common in Hamburg.  The tuna meat is finely minced and pretty dark.  Its like halfway between italian sausage and anchovies.  I recommend it.
 
2013-09-12 03:33:45 PM  
Im wondering where the Author got his info on Pizaa in Italy being conservative.....Im thinking he invented it on the spot because it sounded good.

I've had pizza in Italy with everything from Horse to eggs on top of it. (dont recommend the horse meat) Fish, blue cheese, eggplant, mayonaise, capers, hot dogs, etc.....  The article acts like there is no competition among pizza restaurants in Italy.....

Im thinking the real truth here might be that British food only exists because of a massive prejudice britains have against mainland cuisine.

I mean seriously why would you eat British food at all with the variety of ethnic restaurants in Britain?
 
Ant
2013-09-12 03:34:23 PM  

Erebus1954: I've seen pizzas on menus in London with sunny side up eggs right on the top. Weird. I did't order it.

The food in England was great. And everyone had all their teeth. Shocker.


There's a place by my house that does that. Proletariat Pizza
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2013-09-12 03:34:28 PM  
Bone marrow on pizza sounds awesome, and in the dough switch out the veg oil with equal parts butter and duck fat.  mmmmmmm
 
2013-09-12 03:34:34 PM  

letrole: but i draw the line at corn

regular whole kernel corn is a pizza topping in england

just say no


I bet it would be great with mashed potatoes, bacon, cheddar cheese and gravy on a pie.  Especially if you had a flaky biscuit like bread for the dough.
 
2013-09-12 03:35:28 PM  
GIS of "Thunfisch Pizza"
http://tinyurl.com/l74nkhs
 
2013-09-12 03:36:24 PM  
I never understood why, in England, a cheese pizza is called a "tomato" pizza.
 
2013-09-12 03:37:40 PM  
In the 80's, Boston had a small local chain of "British Pizza" pizzerias called "Ruggles". It was more of a theme than "real British pizza", where you needed to use a knife and fork to eat it.

Favorite of mine for lunch was "The Baby Prince", which was a personal pizza (sort of deep dish), a garden salad, and a drink for $5.
 
2013-09-12 03:43:20 PM  
US pizza is a thing now?
 
2013-09-12 03:44:03 PM  

Cranialsodomy: I never understood why, in England, a cheese pizza is called a "tomato" pizza.


It isn't. Neither is it called a cheese pizza, you weird person.
 
2013-09-12 03:44:13 PM  

whosits_112: FooDog: nekom: I have a good friend in Sweden, they put tuna on theirs.  Doesn't sound horrible, just weird.  Bone marrow though, that's horrible AND weird.

Tuna? Not that common. However, Kebab Lutefisk Pizza is where the magic is at (most popular pizza type in Sweden):

[www.glimmapizzeria.se image 800x600]

FTFY

As a 50% Norwegian I have to ask:
images.sodahead.com
 
2013-09-12 03:45:51 PM  

CognaciousThunk: Kebab meat on a pizza: sounds good to me.

Kebab meat on a British imitation of a pizza: I'll pass. Looks like something they threw out of the test lab at California Pizza Kitchen


I was gonna say, around here in the States we call that kind of pizza "California-style".
 
2013-09-12 03:45:54 PM  
Like Russian tacos and Zimbabwean curry.
 
2013-09-12 03:46:25 PM  

lockers: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Over the last 10 years, my household has steadily replaced Pizza Hut (our go to place for fresh baked pies for 20 years) with Papa Johns. And to be honest, we aren't looking back. They make a mean pie, and the garlic dipping sauce and fresh peppers are always a welcomed touch.

I remember when Papa Johns was delicious. 20 years ago they had cheese and not cheese like product.


It's still delicious, and they use 100% mozzarella cheese.
 
2013-09-12 03:48:12 PM  

make me some tea: CognaciousThunk: Kebab meat on a pizza: sounds good to me.

Kebab meat on a British imitation of a pizza: I'll pass. Looks like something they threw out of the test lab at California Pizza Kitchen

I was gonna say, around here in the States we call that kind of pizza "California-style".


I've never heard of "California-style" pizza, unless you're referring to California Pizza Kitchen
 
2013-09-12 03:54:23 PM  
You can get really creative with pizza.  It's just a bread base with some sort of sauce and some toppings.  You could pretty much make any variety of meal out of it and it would be delicious.

For example:

Hoisin sauce or a teriyaki sauce substituted for tomato sauce, white rice substituted for cheese, topped with some chinese style pork and some green beans with onions or even some snap peas.  Probably pretty tasty.
 
2013-09-12 03:54:48 PM  

onzmadi: whosits_112: FooDog: nekom: I have a good friend in Sweden, they put tuna on theirs.  Doesn't sound horrible, just weird.  Bone marrow though, that's horrible AND weird.

Tuna? Not that common. However, Kebab Lutefisk Pizza is where the magic is at (most popular pizza type in Sweden):

[www.glimmapizzeria.se image 800x600]

FTFY
As a 50% Norwegian I have to ask:
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Why, to provoke a reaction. Like this:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-12 03:55:38 PM  
Still looks better than "New York style" crap.
 
2013-09-12 03:56:07 PM  
Isn't a doner kebab pizza just an unrolled doner kebab with tomato sauce?
 
2013-09-12 03:56:23 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: make me some tea: CognaciousThunk: Kebab meat on a pizza: sounds good to me.

Kebab meat on a British imitation of a pizza: I'll pass. Looks like something they threw out of the test lab at California Pizza Kitchen

I was gonna say, around here in the States we call that kind of pizza "California-style".

I've never heard of "California-style" pizza, unless you're referring to California Pizza Kitchen


California pizza kitchen probably has the best pizza in town.  A close second would be the pizza they put out at Old Country Buffet.  I usually don't get to eat it cause i fill up on their all you can eat shrimp.  Its delectable.
 
2013-09-12 04:02:03 PM  

Mock26: Slow roasted bone marrow (roasted still in the bone) is one of the most incredible things I have ever had in my entire life.  It is definitely in my Top 10 of All Time Favorite Foods.  I imagine it would be incredible on a pizza.


Can I get a bowl of burgoo with that?

/For dipping.
 
2013-09-12 04:03:17 PM  

GentDirkly: nekom: I have a good friend in Sweden, they put tuna on theirs.  Doesn't sound horrible, just weird.  Bone marrow though, that's horrible AND weird.

Tuna pizza is pretty common in Hamburg.  The tuna meat is finely minced and pretty dark.  Its like halfway between italian sausage and anchovies.  I recommend it.


That actually sounds fantastic.
 
2013-09-12 04:03:33 PM  

EvilMonkeyBoy: I'd eat a whole pie of whatever crap they call pizza over there before ever having another bite of St. Louis style pizza again.


24.media.tumblr.com

/Love me some Imo's
 
2013-09-12 04:04:00 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: make me some tea: CognaciousThunk: Kebab meat on a pizza: sounds good to me.

Kebab meat on a British imitation of a pizza: I'll pass. Looks like something they threw out of the test lab at California Pizza Kitchen

I was gonna say, around here in the States we call that kind of pizza "California-style".

I've never heard of "California-style" pizza, unless you're referring to California Pizza Kitchen


It's a thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California-style_pizza
 
2013-09-12 04:08:09 PM  

jfivealive: You can get really creative with pizza.  It's just a bread base with some sort of sauce and some toppings.  You could pretty much make any variety of meal out of it and it would be delicious.

For example:

Hoisin sauce or a teriyaki sauce substituted for tomato sauce, white rice substituted for cheese, topped with some chinese style pork and some green beans with onions or even some snap peas.  Probably pretty tasty.


that is no longer pizza
 
2013-09-12 04:14:27 PM  
So in addition to British Cute, we now have British Tasty?
 
2013-09-12 04:15:29 PM  
Oblig?

slice.seriouseats.com
 
2013-09-12 04:16:27 PM  

chitownmike: jfivealive: You can get really creative with pizza.  It's just a bread base with some sort of sauce and some toppings.  You could pretty much make any variety of meal out of it and it would be delicious.

For example:

Hoisin sauce or a teriyaki sauce substituted for tomato sauce, white rice substituted for cheese, topped with some chinese style pork and some green beans with onions or even some snap peas.  Probably pretty tasty.

that is no longer pizza


Yeah. Dumping your teriyaki bowl on a tortilla isn't a burrito, either.
 
2013-09-12 04:18:56 PM  
The best pizza hands down is to be found at Mellow Mushroom.
 
2013-09-12 04:22:09 PM  

chitownmike: jfivealive: You can get really creative with pizza.  It's just a bread base with some sort of sauce and some toppings.  You could pretty much make any variety of meal out of it and it would be delicious.

For example:

Hoisin sauce or a teriyaki sauce substituted for tomato sauce, white rice substituted for cheese, topped with some chinese style pork and some green beans with onions or even some snap peas.  Probably pretty tasty.

that is no longer pizza


Would you prefer that i call it a variation of pizza?  Or perhaps you would feel better if i called it "pizza"?

Are veggie burgers not burgers?  If i put turkey on a BLT is it no longer a BLT?  If I grill a sandwich with ham, cheese, and avocado is it no longer a grilled cheese?    What about if i drink almond or soy milk, is it no longer milk?

A pizza contains 3 main parts.  Dough, sauce, and toppings.
 
2013-09-12 04:26:52 PM  

wildcardjack: Deep fried pizza is a Scottish thing. Hell, they'll deep fry a salad if you ask.


What about shirts?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-12 04:29:37 PM  
I prefer a huarache (the food shaped like a sandal; not the sandal) to a pizza, but if I must have pizza, I like mine with beef, pineapple, jalapeño and habanero. Hook it up!
 
2013-09-12 04:30:57 PM  
I stopped reading around the second paragraph where the asshole who wrote the article dissed the Hawaian Pizza.

Get farked, seriously.
 
2013-09-12 04:48:08 PM  
 
2013-09-12 04:48:20 PM  
I've had some very good pizza in Britain.  Their cheese is a billion times better than the fake plasticky garbage that we get in North America.  This alone gives the UK a massive advantage.
 
2013-09-12 04:48:51 PM  
I have been to England, I have thought it unfair and inaccurate to label English women somehow naturally ugly. But the stereotypes of English cuisine are so dead on the mark. They have some ghastly food.
 
2013-09-12 04:49:22 PM  

gopher321: I'm surprised some Yank hasn't either...

1) Barbequed a pizza

or 2) deep fried one yet.


Please feel free not to provide any examples, thx.


We do. By the slice or whole.
 
2013-09-12 04:49:44 PM  

nekom: I have a good friend in Sweden, they put tuna on theirs.  Doesn't sound horrible, just weird.  Bone marrow though, that's horrible AND weird.


so not an Osso Buco fan, then?
 
2013-09-12 04:49:58 PM  
The pizzas all have bad teeth. And the male pizzas are all gay.
Am I right?
 
2013-09-12 04:50:29 PM  
There was one pizza place in Bristol that I would frequent, best pizza around.  It still didn't taste very good but I was good friends with the proprietor and as an American, I crave food that makes me more fat and obnoxious.

It was some kind of thin crust that still wasn't crispy, the sauce was rather bland and there was no spice to anything.  Didn't stop me from eating the hell out of it after a few pints though.  My wife would always get a pickled egg from the place...they closed down some months after we moved to the USA but shortly before then they had gotten so used to us that they would just get the jar out before we even ordered.

I hate pickled eggs.
 
2013-09-12 05:00:37 PM  

stirfrybry: Best homemade pizza: Ahi tuna with green thai curry sauce sprinkled with sesame seeds. Yum!


That sounds awesome
 
2013-09-12 05:02:05 PM  

turboeli: Eh, it can't be worse than Japanese pizza.  Which is the pits.

Chicago Deep Dish is a great style, I love it, but as a traditionalist I can't quite fully approve of it.  The best pizza is actually really simple:  a slice of Sicilian red with a mostly cherry tomato sauce base on the bottom, topped by a slice of Sicilian white.

I hail from outside Scranton, PA, which has statistically been demonstrated to be the capital of pizza in the United States.  The Jersey Shore, which has 2.23 pizza shops per 10,000 inhabitants, is number two in the US, and is well known for its pizza.  But the Scranton area has 5.18 shops per 10,000 inhabitants.  Most of the places don't call themselves Italian, anyway.  They're Sicilian, or Milano, or Roma style, and they'll be pleased to let you know it.  Each shop has a style that corresponds to a section of Italy.  (Except for the horrid franchises, which suck.  But you know them.)  And pizza critics who travel have wrote many things about Scranton (specifically, the neighborhood of Old Forge, where most of the best are).

My pick is Colarusso's, which has five different locations.  There are five brothers and sisters who each use the same recipe, who work in different neighborhoods, and they all do very well for themselves.  The sauce is the perfect mix of tart, sour, but with just a hint of sweetness, and the crust is light but firm.  But if you want to have the original white pizza (no, really, it was made in America, in Old Forge), go to Arcaro and Genell's.

I've been in Philly for five years, and it's all horrible here. (Philly knows meat, but pizza?  No.)  New York?  Too soft crusts, the sauce is usually too sweet, and letting pizza sit and cool and then reheating it is a recipe for fail in terms of texture.  Chicago is delightfully greasy and usually has good sauce, but the quantity of crust is ... eh, not my thing.

Get to Scranton on Columbus Day weekend.  All the family shops from up and down the line set up tents and compete. ...


Pizza from Scranton?

"Oh no, it's bad. It's real bad. It's like eating a hot circle of garbage "


(obscure?)
 
2013-09-12 05:07:18 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Over the last 10 years, my household has steadily replaced Pizza Hut (our go to place for fresh baked pies for 20 years) with Papa Johns. And to be honest, we aren't looking back. They make a mean pie, and the garlic dipping sauce and fresh peppers are always a welcomed touch.


Tried to like it, I really did, but something about their crust just doesn't do it for me.  Can't quite explain it.
 
2013-09-12 05:13:26 PM  
I'm with the (real) Italians on this one - whatever the hell passes for pizza in the UK or the US, it ain't proper pizza.
 
2013-09-12 05:17:15 PM  

gopher321: I'm surprised some Yank hasn't either...

1) Barbequed a pizza

or 2) deep fried one yet.


Please feel free not to provide any examples, thx.


Grilled pizza is a thing. My mom uses the technique to make some very good flatbread.

Deep-friend pizza doesn't sound that great.
 
2013-09-12 05:17:34 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: URAPNIS: It's got to be better than that New York cardboard crap.

Good try, Alabama.  I'm sure the pizza in Times Square did suck.


Well, yes. It does, actually.
 
2013-09-12 05:23:24 PM  
Does it come with Thunder Muscle?
 
2013-09-12 05:26:06 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Yanks_RSJ: URAPNIS: It's got to be better than that New York cardboard crap.

Good try, Alabama.  I'm sure the pizza in Times Square did suck.

Well, yes. It does, actually.


I know, I work in that vicinity.  It doesn't have to be any good when your target audience are the tourist blobs who want to try "real" New York pizza but aren't willing to leave the 5 block radius around their hotels.
 
2013-09-12 05:57:05 PM  

SpectroBoy: URAPNIS: It's got to be better than that New York cardboard crap.

Jealousy is so ugly.


--- Troll deny HAHA

And for you Brits calling these flatbreads pizza,

SHUT YOUR BLOODY GOB!!
You wouldn't know pizza if Mr Grimaldi himself rammed one down your throat with the butt of a cricket bat!!
 
2013-09-12 06:13:41 PM  
Spotted Dick, Haggis, pineapples and rasins pizza
That sounds like a Britland pizza favorite
So glad my ancestors left the horrible place generations ago
 
2013-09-12 06:16:02 PM  

ukexpat: I'm with the (real) Italians on this one - whatever the hell passes for pizza in the UK or the US, it ain't proper pizza.


Ah, but we have Italian restaurants & Pizzerias in the UK staffed by real Italians.

We also buy kebabs from Turks, curries from Indians & Pakistanis and Chinese food from the Chinese
 
2013-09-12 06:38:33 PM  
Can I get a Cockney pizza with eels?
 
2013-09-12 06:55:30 PM  

jamspoon: Ah, but we have Italian restaurants & Pizzerias in the UK staffed by real Italians.

We also buy kebabs from Turks, curries from Indians & Pakistanis and Chinese food from the Chinese


The reason the British had to conquer so much of the world was to find a decent meal.  :)
 
2013-09-12 07:27:07 PM  

capt.hollister: nekom: I have a good friend in Sweden, they put tuna on theirs.  Doesn't sound horrible, just weird.  Bone marrow though, that's horrible AND weird.

When we make home-made pizza I like putting tuna on mine, I use canned tuna in olive oil (canned tuna in water is pretty flavourless), it's perfect for pizza. Bone marrow ? I like bone marrow, it's neither horrible nor weird, so I'll be happy to try it.

Thanks for the idea.


Enriched with nourishing marrow-bone jelly.  Mmmmmm!
 
2013-09-12 07:32:51 PM  
I'm not reading the entire thread, so apologies if it's been said, but doner kebab (AKA "donair" here in Canada) is a very common type of pizza
 
2013-09-12 07:36:57 PM  

litespeed74: Mmmm  marmite pizza. Yeasty...


I'm sure you're joking, but I tried that once, just a thin layer of marmite on a slice.  It was delicious, but I have weird tastes.
 
2013-09-12 08:39:01 PM  
I've had my local, New York, pizza place put both tuna and kebab (gyro) meat on a pizza before. If you frequent a non-chain pizza place, and you're friendly enough with them, they can do it for you. They usually have the ingredients anyway.
 
2013-09-12 08:40:30 PM  
I mean in two separate pizzas, of course.

I've also had the pizza place make me a stacked pizza. Bake two pizzas, and then put them one atop each other.

/Yeah I know, I sound fat.
 
2013-09-12 09:03:30 PM  
I hope subby's using the [SICK] in the way that today's extreme youth use it, because pizza is the perfect delivery system for any topping.
 
2013-09-12 09:39:16 PM  
www.reactiongifs.us
 
2013-09-12 10:55:23 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: capt.hollister: nekom: I have a good friend in Sweden, they put tuna on theirs.  Doesn't sound horrible, just weird.  Bone marrow though, that's horrible AND weird.

When we make home-made pizza I like putting tuna on mine, I use canned tuna in olive oil (canned tuna in water is pretty flavourless), it's perfect for pizza. Bone marrow ? I like bone marrow, it's neither horrible nor weird, so I'll be happy to try it.

Thanks for the idea.

Enriched with nourishing marrow-bone jelly.  Mmmmmm!


Nothing like a glass of refreshing dog's milk after a fish and marrow pizza. Full of goodness, full of vitamins, full of marrowbone jelly, dog's milk.  Plus it has the advantage that it tastes exactly the same when it goes off as when it's fresh.
 
2013-09-13 12:10:31 AM  
Pizza can't really be done wrong. It's very versatile.

But that shiat aint right.
 
2013-09-13 12:36:09 AM  
FTABritish pizza: from bone marrow to Thai curry
Boundary-pushing pizzerias are serving toppings that would make a Neapolitan swoon - and not in a good way. But some of them are delicious. Would you order a doner kebab pizza?


Thus again proving that when a headline is a question, the answer is "no."
 
2013-09-13 12:43:54 AM  
UK's had Pizza for years.  The only thing is, its been sauceless and they've been calling it rarebit.
 
2013-09-13 12:44:10 AM  

Nightsweat: Did they just dis Hawaiian pizza?  The pineapple only works with ham/canadian bacon, but it works there.


It's mathematically impossible to "dis" Hawaiian pizza, assuming "dis" means "give it less respect than it deserves."

Sigh.... I guess it's time to post this again:

Things that are good on pizza:
vegetables
mushrooms
meat from a mammal
cheese
tomatoes (regardless of whether you think it's a fruit or not) (including tomato sauce)

Things that you should be shot for even suggesting putting on pizza:
fruit
eggs
anything that ever swam or flew

Things that you should be shot for arguing about:
whether a tomato is a fruit
 
2013-09-13 12:51:11 AM  

ciberido: Things that you should be shot for even suggesting putting on pizza:
fruit
eggs
anything that ever swam or flew


Have you ever considered joining Orthodox Judaism? They also have strong opinions on what is good or abominable to eat though their categories are much more refined than yours.
 
2013-09-13 12:51:17 AM  

special20: I question everyone's subjectivity.


From your article: "Oh, and let's discuss the concept of cherries on pizza: No. End of discussion."

I like how this man thinks.
 
2013-09-13 12:53:05 AM  

HairBolus: ciberido: Things that you should be shot for even suggesting putting on pizza:
fruit
eggs
anything that ever swam or flew

Have you ever considered joining Orthodox Judaism? They also have strong opinions on what is good or abominable to eat though their categories are much more refined than yours.


That would be redundant.  I'm already in a Fark food thread.
 
2013-09-13 01:03:52 AM  

EvilMonkeyBoy: Mock26: For all the Chicago Farkers out there, if you get the chance, go to VOLO and order their bone marrow.


New to Chicago, will definitely try this weekend.


Be sure to make reservations.  Website.
 
2013-09-13 01:24:40 AM  

ciberido: Nightsweat: Did they just dis Hawaiian pizza?  The pineapple only works with ham/canadian bacon, but it works there.

It's mathematically impossible to "dis" Hawaiian pizza, assuming "dis" means "give it less respect than it deserves."

Sigh.... I guess it's time to post this again:

Things that are good on pizza:
vegetables
mushrooms
meat from a mammal
cheese
tomatoes (regardless of whether you think it's a fruit or not) (including tomato sauce)

Things that you should be shot for even suggesting putting on pizza:
fruit
eggs
anything that ever swam or flew

Things that you should be shot for arguing about:
whether a tomato is a fruit


Denying yourself some fine eating experiences, there, young man.  All edible fauna and flora has it's place on a pizza.
Btw, what's your position on herbs and pizza ?
 
2013-09-13 01:39:13 AM  
long story short:  I ate British pizza.  It sucked.
 
2013-09-13 01:40:57 AM  

capt.hollister: Denying yourself some fine eating experiences, there, young man.  All edible fauna and flora has it's place on a pizza.
Btw, what's your position on herbs and pizza ?


You can put almost anything on almost anything else and I'm generally happy to try it.

Just don't call it "pizza" if it isn't pizza.  Use your imagination and come up with a new name.  Call it a "hollister" if you like.
 
Ral
2013-09-13 01:54:18 AM  
On the subject of odd food, anyone who has never had oxtail soup needs to go find some.  Or make it.  It's awesome.
 
2013-09-13 01:59:45 AM  

ciberido: capt.hollister: Denying yourself some fine eating experiences, there, young man.  All edible fauna and flora has it's place on a pizza.
Btw, what's your position on herbs and pizza ?

You can put almost anything on almost anything else and I'm generally happy to try it.

Just don't call it "pizza" if it isn't pizza.  Use your imagination and come up with a new name.  Call it a "hollister" if you like.


The Italian side of me tells me I can absolutely call it a pizza. You see, the Italian word pizza originally derives from the Neapolitan word for kneading and flattening, which is itself related to the Greek word pita. In other words, what defines a pizza is the flatbread (a proper pizza is made with a very thin crust), not the toppings.
 
2013-09-13 06:04:54 AM  

ciberido: special20: I question everyone's subjectivity.

From your article: "Oh, and let's discuss the concept of cherries on pizza: No. End of discussion."

I like how this man thinks.


He had me at his opener: "This creator of this restaurant should be thrown in jail."
Yes, that's no wishy-washy, sitting on the fence, kind of opinion.

I wonder what his Fark handle is...
 
2013-09-13 06:39:07 AM  

FrancoFile: How do you boil dough?


fe867b.medialib.glogster.com
 
2013-09-13 09:33:52 AM  
Pizza kebab is the best: doner meat, jalapenos, chillis and red onions.
 
2013-09-13 09:42:03 AM  
I would venture to say that anything you have to cook in advance before you put it on the pizza does not belong on pizza. Except for bacon, because it'll never get crispy enough on its own in the oven. But other than that, if you're precooking an ingredient before you put it on there, it probably doesn't belong on there. And yes, I realize that this means no more sausage or hamburger pizza, which is what you heathens get.

As far as British "cuisine" goes, from what I can tell, it's not like they don't have good ingredients, or good ideas, or whatever. It's that nobody in the country knows how to farking cook. I'm no wizard in the kitchen or anything, but I know how to make fried chicken where the skin is crispy but not burnt, and the meat is juicy but not raw. This is apparently a mystery to anybody in ole Blighty. I've never had so much burned food served cold in my entire life.
 
2013-09-13 11:24:35 AM  
I'd rather have Japanese pizza.

static1.businessinsider.com
 
2013-09-13 11:27:07 AM  

ciberido: Things that you should be shot for arguing about:
whether a tomato is a fruit


Heh. And, I love how that's the only one that people harp on, completely ignoring all the other culinary vegetables which are also biological fruits, exactly like the tomato: peppers, squash, cucumbers, etc... They're all fruits in exactly the same way a tomato is, but no one throws a damn hissy fit every time someone refers to them as a vegetable (which they all also are, along with the goddamn tomato)!

It's one of those things they heard once long ago, and have squirreled away in their brains and then trot out as some kind of trivia "gotcha" to play, thinking they're correcting people, when in fact they're just being totally stupid...
 
2013-09-13 02:38:44 PM  

RobSeace: ciberido: Things that you should be shot for arguing about:
whether a tomato is a fruit

Heh. And, I love how that's the only one that people harp on, completely ignoring all the other culinary vegetables which are also biological fruits, exactly like the tomato: peppers, squash, cucumbers, etc... They're all fruits in exactly the same way a tomato is, but no one throws a damn hissy fit every time someone refers to them as a vegetable (which they all also are, along with the goddamn tomato)!

It's one of those things they heard once long ago, and have squirreled away in their brains and then trot out as some kind of trivia "gotcha" to play, thinking they're correcting people, when in fact they're just being totally stupid...


We create artificial categories with their attendant descriptions and proceed to try and fit the world into them. Evolution, or Mother Nature, or FSM (bless his noodly appendages), meantime, creates life with whichever characteristics work best, rudely ignoring our carefully constructed categories. A tomato is neither a fruit nor a vegetable, it's a tomato. And it goes very nicely in salads and on pizzas.
 
2013-09-13 03:16:06 PM  

capt.hollister: A tomato is neither a fruit nor a vegetable


Well, rather, it's sort of both, really... It's a fruit from a botanical perspective, in that it's the fleshy, seed-bearing part of a flowering plant... But, it's not a fruit from a culinary perspective, since it's not sweet and is not commonly eaten in the same way as other fruits... However, it's definitely a vegetable from both a botanical and culinary perspective...

In common parlance, most people only talk about the culinary meanings of the two words... Except when it comes to tomatoes for some damn reason! Then, they'll beat you over the head with the fact that it's a botanical fruit, and try to claim that means it can't be a vegetable... While ignoring all the other commonly accepted vegetables that also are botanical fruits, but no one ever questions the vegetablehood of...
 
2013-09-13 03:50:21 PM  

RobSeace: capt.hollister: A tomato is neither a fruit nor a vegetable

Well, rather, it's sort of both, really... It's a fruit from a botanical perspective, in that it's the fleshy, seed-bearing part of a flowering plant... But, it's not a fruit from a culinary perspective, since it's not sweet and is not commonly eaten in the same way as other fruits... However, it's definitely a vegetable from both a botanical and culinary perspective...

In common parlance, most people only talk about the culinary meanings of the two words... Except when it comes to tomatoes for some damn reason! Then, they'll beat you over the head with the fact that it's a botanical fruit, and try to claim that means it can't be a vegetable... While ignoring all the other commonly accepted vegetables that also are botanical fruits, but no one ever questions the vegetablehood of...


"fruit" and "vegetable" are human definitions. Nature does not stick to human definitions. A tomato is a tomato. A pepper is a pepper. We like to categorize things, but those categories have no intrinsic existence.
 
2013-09-13 04:25:51 PM  

capt.hollister: "fruit" and "vegetable" are human definitions. Nature does not stick to human definitions. A tomato is a tomato. A pepper is a pepper. We like to categorize things, but those categories have no intrinsic existence.


While I agree with everything you just said, I have no idea what the point is... Yes, we humans defined the terms, but it doesn't change the fact that the items in question clearly fall under the scope of those terms as we've defined them...

The problem in the case being discussed isn't that we silly humans have unsuitable definitions for the categories, and that the tomato trancends them somehow... It's not like it's a particularly special botanical fruit; it's just a perfectly regular one that easily falls under our definition of one... And, like many other botanical fruits, we happen to use it as a culinary vegetable rather than a culinary fruit... This is not a strange and unique situation... But, many people mistakenly think that it is...

Perhaps things wouldn't confuse people so much if we used totally different terms for either the botanical categories or the culinary categories, rather than sharing "fruit" and "vegetable" between them both... I say go with Latin for the botanical terms: fructus and vegetabilis, and leave the common terms for culinary use... Then there would never have been any confusion: a tomato is a fructus, but it's a vegetable...
 
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