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2013-09-12 09:10:58 AM
What you did there

I see it
 
2013-09-12 09:15:35 AM
"Well" that "was""hard" to read"."

"Liberal's"
 
2013-09-12 09:17:20 AM
Ack ack ack.

Didn't realize that was an AT article before I clicked. Bad Peki! Fortunately, I closed my eyes and the tab before any damage could be done.
 
2013-09-12 09:17:23 AM
I'll take the hit, so nobody else needs to.
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Why Millennials Won't Turn 'Conservative'
By Selwyn Duke

Every so often the wonks of wishful thinking give us an article about how blacks are becoming Republicans, how Hispanics are supposedly a natural GOP constituency, or, as is the subject here today, how the millennial generation is turning "conservative." Perhaps pundits asserting the last thing recall Winston Churchill's observation, "If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart; if you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain." And perhaps they overlook that it's possible to raise a brainless generation.

Don't think, as one might, that this will be a typical analysis sneering at the proverbial "next generation" using the perceived gold standard of one's own. After all, I realize that my generation is the tree the millennial nut fell from. Placing matters in further perspective, it's true that older and younger generations ever slam each other; it's also true that they both are always partially right. Lastly, I'll say that I don't at all consider the WWII FDR voters the "greatest generation," though it makes for a nice narrative. The greatest generation was the one that founded our nation and wondered if we could "keep" its republic, and there has been a consistent, but accelerating, degeneration ever since.

In discussing our latest movement toward idiocracy, my starting point will be a Sept. 4 American Thinker article written by one Chriss Street. In making his case for millennial hope, Mr. Street points out that while 61 percent of millennials voted for Barack Obama in 2012, his approval among them has now sunk to 46 percent. But this is a deceptive statistic. For an approval rating amounts to the judging of a candidate relative to people's ideal personal standard for the presidency, whereas in an election he is judged relative to another specific candidate for the presidency. And if Obama were again running against Mitt Romney -- with all the usual media propaganda -- does anyone really think he'd lose millennials to the governor? No doubt more would stay home, but I suspect the president would enjoy something close to his 2012 support among those who cast votes.

Moreover, millennials may have soured on Obama somewhat, but this reflects cynicism more than conservatism. Of course, that they'd be cynical is no surprise; they've been raised in an unraveling West in which feckless, morally-confused adults in their homes, schools, government, houses of worship and elsewhere have let them down. Nonetheless, cynicism is not traditionalism; in fact, it is a form of naiveté. Believing all people act out of selfish motives, the cynic instinctively paints everyone with the same brush. And such a person can hardly distinguish well among candidates.

Mr. Street also tells us that, "in 2008, 37.4% of incoming freshman women and 30.5% men identified themselves as liberals or leftists, the most in 35 years." The reality, though, is even worse than this indicates. First consider that self-reporting is more about perception than reality. For starters, it always underestimates leftist numbers, as likely a majority of "moderates" are liberals who -- usually because of self-delusion (a leftist bailiwick) and a desire to sound "reasonable" -- don't brand themselves what they really are; bear in mind when pondering this that liberals are generally solipsistic and fancy that they define the center, and also realize that the label "liberal" has been discredited enough so that many won't don it. Yet even more significant here is that it isn't just people's perceptions that shift -- the definitions of "liberal" and "conservative" do, too.

Consider that while a conservative in 1952 America was staunchly anti-communist, a conservative in the Soviet Union at the time was a communist. And "conservatives" in Western Europe are often our liberals' ideological soulmates. This isn't for lack of truth in political advertising. Rather, it's because the only consistent definition of "conservative" is "a desire to maintain the status quo" while "liberal's" only consistent definition involves a desire to change it. This means "conservatism" is always changing: tomorrow's version will reflect today's liberalism's success in altering the status quo. Conservatism is the caboose to liberalism's locomotive (I treat this in-depth here).

This explains a few things. First, it's often pointed out that a healthy plurality in America describes itself as conservative. Is this surprising? All it really means is that many, many people align themselves with the status quo -- and if this weren't the case, the status quo wouldn't be the status quo. Second, some insist that millennials will move toward conservatism, and this is true in that most people become somewhat more traditional with age. Yet it's also true that conservatism will move toward them.

That is to say, as "conservatism" drifts "left," it follows that millennials will "become more conservative" even if they stay in the same place, in that they will be situated more on the post-shift political spectrum's right side; this is just as how a person can become poorer in a definitional sense if the poverty line standard is altered.

That so few recognize this reflects the relativism of our time, where we label ourselves with provisional terms and measure ourselves against other people (it's people who define the political spectrum). If we want to see matters clearly, however, we must define them differently: in absolute terms.

In other words, what do millennials actually believe? Well, never before has an American generation been so tolerant of intolerable sexual practices, so supportive of faux marriage and skeptical of actual marriage, so relativistic and disconnected from Christianity (church attendance is one of the best predictors of voting habits). Never before has an American generation been to their degree socially "liberal."

This brings us to the claim that millennials are, at least, fiscally conservative. Now, not only is convincing evidence of this elusive, but considering it a saving grace is essentially saying that it profits a man to gain the world but lose his soul. Regardless, however, while the social liberalism/fiscal conservatism marriage may exist in particular cases, I suspect that in principle it is an impossibility.

For instance, speaking of principle versus particular, if you ask people, "Do you believe government should balance its budget and be frugal," of course they'll say yes. But if you ask them if they're willing to relinquish their particular piece of the pie (government college aid?), their tune changes. Espousing fiscal responsibility requires only a voice; achieving it requires virtue.

Second, consider the side-effects of social liberalism in modern times. And this should be prefaced by saying that since this explanation warrants a book, my treatment here will necessarily be lacking. But just as an example, social liberalism means loose sexual mores. Loose sexual mores mean a high rate of single motherhood (today it's 42 percent... and rising). And what does this mean? Since the modern West won't let these women twist in the wind, the government will step into the breach and play daddy with handouts and/or mommy with tax-funded daycare. It is unavoidable.

And in point of fact, this cultural decay brings us to the real reason for political drift. It was something about which the Founding Fathers -- as well as great thinkers throughout Christendom's history -- spoke much. Ben Franklin warned, "As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." British philosopher Edmund Burke observed, "It is written in the eternal constitution of things that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." And John Adams wrote in 1798, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Question: does "moral and religious" describe us today?

Of course, some will now say, "But why do you think millennials supported Ron Paul? They want liberty!" Sure they do.

So does a tiger in a zoo.

So does a toddler.

Neither, however, can be allowed to roam free in civilization without hurting himself or others. And the less people are civilized growing up, the closer they will be to that infantile or animalistic state -- and the more they have need of cages and masters.

The truth? Government can be no better than the public's virtue, though it can be worse. And this morality-government relationship is evident in voting patterns. Is it a coincidence that every group orthodox Christians label immoral -- those involved in "alternative" sexual deathstyles, criminally inclined inner-city dwellers, effete college professors, grunge-type youths scarred with multiple tattoos and body piercings -- vote left? "What fellowship hath light with darkness?" The darkness hates the light. When people have sins they yearn to rationalize away, the last thing they'll do is support leaders who would uphold, even just through word, a moral standard condemning their passions.

Providing specificity as to how this affects government is another book-worthy topic, so I'll offer just two examples. We've heard about those ruggedly individualistic Americans who'd rather live in poverty in Appalachia than accept government handouts and those spirit-of-entitlement types who protest violently when they don't receive them. And society will always contain both kinds, but the ratio can vary greatly. In a nation characterized by self-sufficiency, honor, and virtue, a redistributionist will find barren ground. But if a spirit of greed, covetousness, and thievery prevails, people will be susceptible to the demagogic appeal, "You've been cheated, but give me power and I'll get you your piece of the pie, comrade!" Or consider lust. If people resolved to be chaste outside of marriage, do you think the abortion movement or taxpayer funded contraception appeal could gain traction?

So how do you make a civilization susceptible to dark demagogues?

Make it love the darkness.

I wouldn't first and foremost spend time on intellectual appeals. As the Soviets once did (as explained by ex-KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov) I'd seek to undermine the morality of the target nation. I'd spread the idea that morality is really "values" and values are relative -- all just a matter of perspective, you see. Once this was accepted and people no longer believed in the rules of morality, it would be as if they ceased believing in the rules of human nutrition: not thinking any food could actually be "bad," they'd be governed only by taste and would try, and could develop an affinity for, anything -- even perhaps poison. Vice corresponds to this on the moral menu.

I'd then get them hooked on their bad moral diet through inundation. Stoke their lust's fires via highly sexualized entertainment, and portray violence as just as casual and cool, so lashing out at others seems the norm. I'd engorge their egos with media messages about how they could determine their own morality so that, as the serpent said, "you will be like God." I'd provide co-ed dorms and a general party atmosphere at universities, creating "occasions of sin" that will ensure the kids have as much as possible they need to justify. And after robbing them of moral judgment and creating a visceral craving for vice, I'd fill their heads full of anti-Western, anti-Christian -- in fact, anti-goodness -- ideas in college classrooms. When I was done with them, they'd not only possess the discernment of a man in the midst of a drug-fueled orgy, their egos would be so bloated they'd consider their ignorance wisdom.

Speaking of wisdom, when conservatives indulge wishful thinking and suppose that millennials will "wake up," they ignore that we actually need a shakeup, something that changes the cultural trajectory on which we've long been (so if an asteroid strikes the Earth, millennials may turn into conservatives -- of course, they instead may turn into cavemen, too). Until then, whatever the keepers of the flame plan had better require the participation of only a zealous minority. For the masses will not wake up when beset by a cultural narcolepsy in which nightmares are fancied nice dreams.
 
2013-09-12 09:18:04 AM

catsfish: "Well" that "was""hard" to read"."

"Liberal's"


Is that kind of how the sovereign citizens people put random words in all caps?
 
2013-09-12 09:20:00 AM
I love how these articles start out - shows a little intelligence then turns to full pants-on-the-head crazy.

"social liberalism means loose sexual mores. Loose sexual mores mean a high rate of single motherhood (today it's 42 percent... and rising). And what does this mean? Since the modern West won't let these women twist in the wind, the government will step into the breach and play daddy with handouts and/or mommy with tax-funded daycare."


I know.  That totally sucks that we can't let those promiscuous single mothers "twist in the wind."  They should be punished for their promiscuity I tell you!!


/Oh, and that quote was from the part *before* it got crazy.
 
2013-09-12 09:20:21 AM
"Consider that while a conservative in 1952 America was staunchly anti-communist, a conservative in the Soviet Union at the time was a communist. And "conservatives" in Western Europe are often our liberals' ideological soulmates. This isn't for lack of truth in political advertising. Rather, it's because the only consistent definition of "conservative" is "a desire to maintain the status quo" while "liberal's" only consistent definition involves a desire to change it. This means "conservatism" is always changing: tomorrow's version will reflect today's liberalism's success in altering the status quo. Conservatism is the caboose to liberalism's locomotive."

Hey, American Thinker writer, that's actually a pretty reasonable definition of conservative (that's actually a pretty piss poor definition of liberal if you're trying to create a universal one, but, whatever). And by that definition, most self-described moderates and many self-describes liberals are, in fact, conservatives because they want to maintain the status quo, aka the New Deal state. And very, very few self-described "conservatives" are. Rather, they are mostly radical reactionaries who want to create a system in the United States radically different than anything that has ever existed. Of course, you won't see that because thinking is not a major prerequisite for writing on American Thinker.
 
2013-09-12 09:21:28 AM
When noting that your own generation isn't perfect "we're the ones who raised these total wankers" probably isn't the bone you should throw.

In fact, that's really just another dig.
 
2013-09-12 09:21:44 AM
Nonetheless, cynicism is not traditionalism; in fact,it is a form of naiveté. Believing all people act out of selfish motives, the cynic instinctively paints everyone with the same brush.

Is that why conservatives are always telling me tales about Welfare Queens and Godless Communist Liberals?
 
2013-09-12 09:23:02 AM
Comparing Millennials simultaneously to toddlers and to tigers? Nice touch of mixed contempt and fear.
 
2013-09-12 09:23:42 AM
How can you have a constant AND accelerating degeneration?
 
2013-09-12 09:24:04 AM

Vertdang: I'll take the hit, so nobody else needs to.
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Thanks!
 
2013-09-12 09:24:19 AM
You know I actually read (skimmed) much of that article, and it was, actually, not as stupid as I had expected. It was actually fairly logical and made a lot of sense, if you accept his assumptions. Unfortunately, to accept his assumptions, you would have to either be a lunatic or a time traveler from the 18th c.
 
2013-09-12 09:24:56 AM

UberDave: I love how these articles start out - shows a little intelligence then turns to full pants-on-the-head crazy.

"social liberalism means loose sexual mores. Loose sexual mores mean a high rate of single motherhood (today it's 42 percent... and rising). And what does this mean? Since the modern West won't let these women twist in the wind, the government will step into the breach and play daddy with handouts and/or mommy with tax-funded daycare."


I know.  That totally sucks that we can't let those promiscuous single mothers "twist in the wind."  They should be punished for their promiscuity I tell you!!


And defund Planned Parenthood.
 
2013-09-12 09:25:22 AM

abb3w: Comparing Millennials simultaneously to toddlers and to tigers? Nice touch of mixed contempt and fear.


Fear and comtempt are the only thing religous fanatics know. It is why they are fanatics/zealots, not your everyday run of the mill believer. You know, someone with better things to worry about than who is sticking what into whom.
 
2013-09-12 09:30:14 AM
Ah yes, the tried and true conservative method of appealing to various groups... insulting them.
 
2013-09-12 09:30:54 AM
"Lastly, I'll say that I don't at all consider the WWII FDR voters the 'greatest generation,'"

That's because he still remembers them as those whippersnappers listing to immoral 'negro music', smoking the reefer, and lighting bags of dog crap on his porch.
 
2013-09-12 09:31:05 AM
First, thank you vertdang for the copy pasta.

That was a lotta derp for before coffee, but my takeaway with this is that millennials will never be conservative because they enjoy too much filthy sinning, and government handouts.

That was a lotta butthurt.
 
2013-09-12 09:31:08 AM
Yeah, it actually started out with a modicum of self-awareness with the "conservative is a relative term" bit, but by this point it had devolved into a spittle-flecked fever dream:

The truth? Government can be no better than the public's virtue, though it can be worse. And this morality-government relationship is evident in voting patterns. Is it a coincidence that every group orthodox Christians label immoral -- those involved in "alternative" sexual deathstyles, criminally inclined inner-city dwellers, effete college professors, grunge-type youths scarred with multiple tattoos and body piercings -- vote left? "What fellowship hath light with darkness?" The darkness hates the light. When people have sins they yearn to rationalize away, the last thing they'll do is support leaders who would uphold, even just through word, a moral standard condemning their passions.
 
2013-09-12 09:33:08 AM
Right. Just like the Woodstock generation aren't now old, greedy, and conservative.
 
2013-09-12 09:34:10 AM
Well, that was some weapons grade derp.
 
2013-09-12 09:34:34 AM

YodaTuna: Ah yes, the tried and true conservative method of appealing to various groups... insulting them.


Like tough love - berate your kid long enough, and eventually they start craving your approval.

Or sour grapes - "You won't vote for us? Well, you're amoral, too accepting, too coddled, greedy, tatted- and tarted-up, reactionary know-nothings anyway, so WE DON'T NEED YOU!"
 
2013-09-12 09:36:03 AM

UberDave: I love how these articles start out - shows a little intelligence then turns to full pants-on-the-head crazy.

"social liberalism means loose sexual mores. Loose sexual mores mean a high rate of single motherhood (today it's 42 percent... and rising). And what does this mean? Since the modern West won't let these women twist in the wind, the government will step into the breach and play daddy with handouts and/or mommy with tax-funded daycare."


I know.  That totally sucks that we can't let those promiscuous single mothers "twist in the wind."  They should be punished for their promiscuity I tell you!!


/Oh, and that quote was from the part *before* it got crazy.


Most importantly, the children should definitely be punished for the sins of their parents.
 
2013-09-12 09:37:20 AM
The greatest generation was the one that founded our nation and wondered if we could keep its republic, and there has been a consistent, but accelerating, degeneration ever since.

This is the conservative view of history in a nutshell.  Everything is gradually going to shiat as compared to some idealized point in the past (that never really existed), and so everything they do is a desperate rearguard action to go back to that imaginary past, or failing that, at least keep the status quo.

The progressive view is the complete opposite.  History is a series of steps towards greater human equality and standard of living.  The Enlightenment, abolition of slavery, women's suffrage, the Civil Rights movement, marriage equality, all being seen as steps on this path.

Both views are oversimplification, but obviously I feel that the progressive view is a closer representation of reality.
 
2013-09-12 09:38:02 AM
You.  I learned it from you.
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2013-09-12 09:38:56 AM
And perhaps they overlook that it's possible to raise a brainless generation.

If there's one thing that will show millennials the virtues of conservatism it's calling them stupid.
 
2013-09-12 09:38:56 AM
If we want to see matters clearly, however, we must define them differently: in absolute terms.

And this is why conservatives will continue to lose ground in national elections. You do not have the ability to define things in absolute terms and when you try, you are essentially saying "fark you" to everyone who does not agree with your absolutes. Absolutes result in extremism and radicalism. Government needs pragmatism. Conservatives who define their positions in terms of absolutes can all DIAF.
 
2013-09-12 09:41:35 AM
Yikes. It started off well enough with facts, but the "people need to be controlled" thing gives me chills.  I can't believe there are really people that sill think like that.
 
2013-09-12 09:41:59 AM

johnnieconnie: First, thank you vertdang for the copy pasta.

That was a lotta derp for before coffee, but my takeaway with this is that millennials will never be conservative because they enjoy too much filthy sinning, and government handouts.

That was a lotta butthurt.


Plus, for Millennials, Republicans serve as an object lesson of what happens when you become an American 'conservative'.
 
2013-09-12 09:43:17 AM
Is it a coincidence that every group orthodox Christians label immoral -- those involved in "alternative" sexual deathstyles, criminally inclined inner-city dwellers, effete college professors, grunge-type youths scarred with multiple tattoos and body piercings -- vote left? "What fellowship hath light with darkness?" The darkness hates the light. When people have sins they yearn to rationalize away, the last thing they'll do is support leaders who would uphold, even just through word, a moral standard condemning their passions.

Wow.
 
2013-09-12 09:46:00 AM
Wow, I guess "American Thinker" is apt for that website.  Nothing seems to be based on external facts or evidence.  It's all just thought experiments with bad premises, sloppy "logic", and really bad hypotheses.

He's right, overall, millennials won't become conservative, but it's not for the reasons he suggests.
 
2013-09-12 09:46:15 AM

spcMike: How can you have a constant AND accelerating degeneration?


The Author didn't make sense throughout the entire piece, why start there?
 
2013-09-12 09:48:50 AM

theknuckler_33: If we want to see matters clearly, however, we must define them differently: in absolute terms.

And this is why conservatives will continue to lose ground in national elections. You do not have the ability to define things in absolute terms and when you try, you are essentially saying "fark you" to everyone who does not agree with your absolutes. Absolutes result in extremism and radicalism. Government needs pragmatism. Conservatives who define their positions in terms of absolutes can all DIAF.



Pretty much, except they *are* free to define things however they feel like. They just can't expect anyone else to buy into their definitions just because.
 
2013-09-12 09:49:03 AM
So how do you make a civilization susceptible to dark demagogues?

Make it love the darkness.


We get it. He's black.
 
2013-09-12 09:49:27 AM

theknuckler_33: Is it a coincidence that every group orthodox Christians label immoral -- those involved in "alternative" sexual deathstyles, criminally inclined inner-city dwellers, effete college professors, grunge-type youths scarred with multiple tattoos and body piercings -- vote left? "What fellowship hath light with darkness?" The darkness hates the light. When people have sins they yearn to rationalize away, the last thing they'll do is support leaders who would uphold, even just through word, a moral standard condemning their passions.

Wow.


QFT.
 
2013-09-12 09:49:41 AM
I consider myself more Gen Y than Millennial, since I can barely remember life without computers at home and the internet. That means I was also old enough to have some idea of what was going on politically after 9/11, and while I supported it at the time, came to see what a disasterous decade of Republican rule the oughties were after a good few years. The GOP and neoconservatives took full cynical advantage of how farked in the head this country was after 9/11 and used it to take this country to the precipice of fascism, they took us the full way to disaster when it came to starting the war in Iraq and their stewardship of the economy.

I may not always pull the lever for a Democrat when I vote, but I will never vote for a Republican for the rest of my life unless they fundamentally reevaluate their economic platform and throw out their hateful base of ignorant backwoods Bible bumpkins. The opposite is actually occurring.
 
2013-09-12 09:49:55 AM

Vertdang: I'll take the hit, so nobody else needs to.

[snip]


I can summarize it as follows: modern morality sucks because it's different than "traditional" morality, whatever the fark that means.
 
2013-09-12 09:51:39 AM

UberDave: I love how these articles start out - shows a little intelligence then turns to full pants-on-the-head crazy.

"social liberalism means loose sexual mores. Loose sexual mores mean a high rate of single motherhood (today it's 42 percent... and rising). And what does this mean? Since the modern West won't let these women twist in the wind, the government will step into the breach and play daddy with handouts and/or mommy with tax-funded daycare."


I know.  That totally sucks that we can't let those promiscuous single mothers "twist in the wind."  They should be punished for their promiscuity I tell you!!


/Oh, and that quote was from the part *before* it got crazy.


he lost me at "its possible to raise a brainless generation"
 
2013-09-12 09:52:19 AM
That was probably the best sales pitch for contempt, fear, and moral superiority that I have read in awhile.

Considering the audience it was meant for, I would have to give it a 9/10.
 
2013-09-12 09:53:10 AM
Hey, Stupid, vote for me!  No?  Fine, I don't need your vote anyways, Stupid!
 
2013-09-12 09:54:12 AM
Is it a coincidence that every group orthodox Christians label immoral -- those involved in "alternative" sexual deathstyles, criminally inclined inner-city dwellers, effete college professors, grunge-type youths scarred with multiple tattoos and body piercings -- vote left?

"Is it a coincidence that all the people we regularly demean and oppress turn around and want nothing to do with us?"
 
2013-09-12 09:55:32 AM

phaseolus: theknuckler_33: If we want to see matters clearly, however, we must define them differently: in absolute terms.

And this is why conservatives will continue to lose ground in national elections. You do not have the ability to define things in absolute terms and when you try, you are essentially saying "fark you" to everyone who does not agree with your absolutes. Absolutes result in extremism and radicalism. Government needs pragmatism. Conservatives who define their positions in terms of absolutes can all DIAF.


Pretty much, except they *are* free to define things however they feel like. They just can't expect anyone else to buy into their definitions just because.


But that's the point. They use 'absolutes' in the same way as 'beyond question' or 'universal truth'... there is no such thing as 'buying into' these things for them, they just are.

Such things do not exist and, try as they might, they are not defining absolutes, they are just trying to tell other people how to live their lives and when people inevitably balk at that, the absolutist (for lack of a better word) can feel superior by telling them they're wrong.
 
2013-09-12 09:55:51 AM
So now the GOP can move beyond just writing off outreach to minorities and women to include an entire generation as well. Please proceed.
 
2013-09-12 09:57:37 AM

cubic_spleen: johnnieconnie: First, thank you vertdang for the copy pasta.

That was a lotta derp for before coffee, but my takeaway with this is that millennials will never be conservative because they enjoy too much filthy sinning, and government handouts.

That was a lotta butthurt.

Plus, for Millennials, Republicans serve as an object lesson of what happens when you become an American 'conservative'.


At first I thought that he was going to make a potentially reasonable argument that the younger generation was no longer going to forgive the politicians for their idiot statements, like anti-gay, or anti-minority, and vote for them anyway (like Log Cabin Republicans). However, it soon became clear that his point was that the younger generations have descended into hedonistic, sinning hell, and are in danger of being lost forever for embracing single motherhood (instead of having evil abortions, amiright?), teh ghey, and miscegenation, etc.

That was a lot of spewing about sinful activities...hmmm.
 
2013-09-12 09:58:31 AM

Zeno-25: I consider myself more Gen Y than Millennial, since I can barely remember life without computers at home and the internet. That means I was also old enough to have some idea of what was going on politically after 9/11, and while I supported it at the time, came to see what a disasterous decade of Republican rule the oughties were after a good few years. The GOP and neoconservatives took full cynical advantage of how farked in the head this country was after 9/11 and used it to take this country to the precipice of fascism, they took us the full way to disaster when it came to starting the war in Iraq and their stewardship of the economy.

I may not always pull the lever for a Democrat when I vote, but I will never vote for a Republican for the rest of my life unless they fundamentally reevaluate their economic platform and throw out their hateful base of ignorant backwoods Bible bumpkins. The opposite is actually occurring.


They did away with Generation Y and lumped them in with the Millennials.  I'm on the upper end of that label and have little in common with the majority of it other than being raised in the technology age.  There seems to be a gap from those born in the mid-80s that really doesn't belong to X or the Millennials.

/yolo
//or something
 
2013-09-12 09:58:33 AM

Serious Black: Vertdang: I'll take the hit, so nobody else needs to.

[snip]

I can summarize it as follows: modern morality sucks because it's different than "traditional" morality, whatever the fark that means.


And US 'culture' = Christianity, so if you say "meh" about teh gheys, you hate traditional marriage and are destroying the country.
 
2013-09-12 10:01:48 AM
that's right: they will become greedy, angry bigoted people for their OWN reasons, dammit.

/american way
 
2013-09-12 10:02:22 AM

theknuckler_33: phaseolus: theknuckler_33: If we want to see matters clearly, however, we must define them differently: in absolute terms.

And this is why conservatives will continue to lose ground in national elections. You do not have the ability to define things in absolute terms and when you try, you are essentially saying "fark you" to everyone who does not agree with your absolutes. Absolutes result in extremism and radicalism. Government needs pragmatism. Conservatives who define their positions in terms of absolutes can all DIAF.


Pretty much, except they *are* free to define things however they feel like. They just can't expect anyone else to buy into their definitions just because.

But that's the point. They use 'absolutes' in the same way as 'beyond question' or 'universal truth'... there is no such thing as 'buying into' these things for them, they just are.

Such things do not exist and, try as they might, they are not defining absolutes, they are just trying to tell other people how to live their lives and when people inevitably balk at that, the absolutist (for lack of a better word) can feel superior by telling them they're wrong.


It also ignores that we have adopted some fairly absolutist rules in morality today. Example: consent to sexual activity. If person X does not consent to person Y, say, grabbing their ass, then it would be unequivocally wrong for X to grab Y's ass outside of ludicrous scenarios like grabbing Y's ass is the singular way to stop nuclear armageddon. The problem is consent empowers people to dictate for themselves what is acceptable and what isn't instead of leaving that split up to a likely non-existent higher power. Bible thumpers for the most part do not want people to take charge of their own lives.
 
2013-09-12 10:03:26 AM
An entire article complaining about people who choose to live their lives differently from the typical member of the Party of Small Government, using those choices to argue that liberty and freedom are dangerous when enjoyed by those other people.

Proto-fascism, par for the course for the current GOP.
 
2013-09-12 10:03:47 AM
I see what you did there subby. Using code words for those whom you despise.

label immoral -- those involved in "alternative" sexual deathstyles, criminally inclined inner-city dwellers, effete college professors, grunge-type youths scarred with multiple tattoos and body piercings

I.E.- Gays, Blacks, Educated Intellectuals, and anybody else who does not fit your version of wholesome Real America.

Seriously not a good idea to insult a generation that you need to win future elections.
Our generation tends to be more socially liberal because we have been exposed to so much from such a young age. Lots of us have black friends or know a gay person. We interact with people outside our own peer groups. And because a lot of us went to college, many people meet different groups of folks. And after hanging out with them, you discover they are not bad people and generally want the same things you do: a steady job and the hope of a stable future. It really bothers some in that older generation because they were taught that "those folks" are bad and immoral. I have a good feeling that with the right conditions and a few people stepping up that my generation may one day be considered a Hero Generation. We can do better and we will.
 
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