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2013-09-12 08:56:14 AM
We've got you now, Obama.  All those other times we had you, but you escaped, but this time we've got you for sure.
 
2013-09-12 09:00:06 AM
FreedomWorks, Club For Growth and Heritage Action

Domestic economic terrorist groups
 
2013-09-12 09:01:12 AM
It's OK, we still have what 2.5 weeks to get a budget (or CR) signed by the president to avoid a government shutdown?  I'm sure it'll be fine and everyone will come to a nice, sane compromise.
 
2013-09-12 09:02:02 AM
As delicious as it is to see the GOP repeatedly sticking its dick in a hornets nest because they heard there's honey in there, it bothers me that the Democratic Party doesn't have more publicity-worthy measures that they're trying to put forward. I mean, yes, we all love watching the GOP implode, but at some point I'd love to see some of the other side's policies make headlines. Hopefully positive ones. You'd think the Liberal Stream Media would be on this.
 
2013-09-12 09:03:03 AM
Both sides are bad so vote.... umm....
 
2013-09-12 09:03:21 AM
I think both the pro-corporate wing of the GOP and the pro-nutjobbery wing realize they actually need each other or else the Dems will end up running everything, but they sure enjoy the kind of infighting that causes parties to split.
 
2013-09-12 09:04:32 AM

Hypocritic_Oath: It's OK, we still have what 2.5 weeks to get a budget (or CR) signed by the president to avoid a government shutdown?  I'm sure it'll be fine and everyone will come to a nice, sane compromise.


Not to sound selfish, but if Congress fails to pass a budget or a continuing resolution, I get out of a business trip I really don't want to take.  So, fingers crossed for a budgetary meltdown!
 
2013-09-12 09:04:41 AM
Nobody ever accused the teabaggers of having a coherent, realistic plan.
 
2013-09-12 09:05:14 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: As delicious as it is to see the GOP repeatedly sticking its dick in a hornets nest because they heard there's honey in there, it bothers me that the Democratic Party doesn't have more publicity-worthy measures that they're trying to put forward. I mean, yes, we all love watching the GOP implode, but at some point I'd love to see some of the other side's policies make headlines. Hopefully positive ones. You'd think the Liberal Stream Media would be on this.


You absolutely would... especially if there was such a thing as liberal media.  But from a PR perspective (and a Sun Tzu perspective) it's best not to interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake.  And the GOP is essentially just a well funded mistake generating machine at this point.
 
2013-09-12 09:06:10 AM
Live by the derp, die by the derp.
 
2013-09-12 09:06:21 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: As delicious as it is to see the GOP repeatedly sticking its dick in a hornets nest because they heard there's honey in there, it bothers me that the Democratic Party doesn't have more publicity-worthy measures that they're trying to put forward. I mean, yes, we all love watching the GOP implode, but at some point I'd love to see some of the other side's policies make headlines. Hopefully positive ones. You'd think the Liberal Stream Media would be on this.


The GOP isn't sticking its dick in a hornet's nest because they think there's honey, they're doing it because Obama suggested that they shouldn't.
 
2013-09-12 09:07:42 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: As delicious as it is to see the GOP repeatedly sticking its dick in a hornets nest because they heard there's honey in there, it bothers me that the Democratic Party doesn't have more publicity-worthy measures that they're trying to put forward. I mean, yes, we all love watching the GOP implode, but at some point I'd love to see some of the other side's policies make headlines. Hopefully positive ones. You'd think the Liberal Stream Media would be on this.


I could be wrong, but with the GOP controlling the House, they control, and have majorities, on all the committees. I suspect Democrats have put forth plenty of measures in their committees only to have them never brought up for a vote by the Chairman or voted down by the GOP majority. I don't think anything comes to the floor that hasn't passed in some committee or another.
 
2013-09-12 09:10:36 AM

Mercutio74: Bareefer Obonghit: As delicious as it is to see the GOP repeatedly sticking its dick in a hornets nest because they heard there's honey in there, it bothers me that the Democratic Party doesn't have more publicity-worthy measures that they're trying to put forward. I mean, yes, we all love watching the GOP implode, but at some point I'd love to see some of the other side's policies make headlines. Hopefully positive ones. You'd think the Liberal Stream Media would be on this.

You absolutely would... especially if there was such a thing as liberal media.  But from a PR perspective (and a Sun Tzu perspective) it's best not to interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake.  And the GOP is essentially just a well funded mistake generating machine at this point.


And yet they still get elected in large numbers rather consistently, which say's a lot about the state of the US these days.
 
2013-09-12 09:14:57 AM

GoldSpider: Nobody ever accused the teabaggers of having a coherent, realistic plan.


Plan? Hell they don't even have a coherent, realistic interpretation of the facts before them.
 
2013-09-12 09:15:21 AM

Smoking GNU: And yet they still get elected in large numbers rather consistently, which say's a lot about the state of the US these days.


Oh absolutely, it's no mistake that the GOP's legislative effect on education has been to limit it in a de facto manner.  If the citizenry of the US had more information and better critical thinking abilities, the Republicans would just be an unfortunate footnote in textbooks 20 years from now.
 
2013-09-12 09:17:36 AM

Mercutio74: Smoking GNU: And yet they still get elected in large numbers rather consistently, which say's a lot about the state of the US these days.

Oh absolutely, it's no mistake that the GOP's legislative effect on education has been to limit it in a de facto manner.  If the citizenry of the US had more information and better critical thinking abilities, the Republicans would just be an unfortunate footnote in textbooks 20 years from now.


You give the citizenry too much credit.  Many of them don't want the "burden" of information and critical thinking.  It ain't how their brains work.
 
2013-09-12 09:18:18 AM

Smoking GNU: Mercutio74: Bareefer Obonghit: As delicious as it is to see the GOP repeatedly sticking its dick in a hornets nest because they heard there's honey in there, it bothers me that the Democratic Party doesn't have more publicity-worthy measures that they're trying to put forward. I mean, yes, we all love watching the GOP implode, but at some point I'd love to see some of the other side's policies make headlines. Hopefully positive ones. You'd think the Liberal Stream Media would be on this.

You absolutely would... especially if there was such a thing as liberal media.  But from a PR perspective (and a Sun Tzu perspective) it's best not to interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake.  And the GOP is essentially just a well funded mistake generating machine at this point.

And yet they still get elected in large numbers rather consistently, which say's a lot about the state of the US these days.


Not so much about the state of the US as the utter corruption than ensues when we divide the representation for 320 million people across 425 seats, with a proviso that every state (no matter that they have less than the population of a major city) gets two senators and a representative. And every city, no matter how large, has their vote diluted by their surrounding hicks.
 
2013-09-12 09:19:09 AM
Conservatives don't hate America? Weird, 'cos last I checked, they want to destroy the American government and adhere to a fundamentalist perversion of a religion (beit Christianity or capitalism). Aren't those the characteristics of a terrorist group? Or does it have to involve blah people?
 
2013-09-12 09:23:01 AM

King Something: Bareefer Obonghit: As delicious as it is to see the GOP repeatedly sticking its dick in a hornets nest because they heard there's honey in there, it bothers me that the Democratic Party doesn't have more publicity-worthy measures that they're trying to put forward. I mean, yes, we all love watching the GOP implode, but at some point I'd love to see some of the other side's policies make headlines. Hopefully positive ones. You'd think the Liberal Stream Media would be on this.

The GOP isn't sticking its dick in a hornet's nest because they think there's honey, they're doing it because Obama suggested that they shouldn't.


I'm now picturing Boehner gathering the House GOP together and saying, "Guys, Obama said if we fark this hornet's nest we'll get hurt. I'll bet he's hiding something in there." And then a line of naked Republicans taking turns boring out ol' Stingy Sally.
 
2013-09-12 09:26:40 AM

born_yesterday: Mercutio74: Smoking GNU: And yet they still get elected in large numbers rather consistently, which say's a lot about the state of the US these days.

Oh absolutely, it's no mistake that the GOP's legislative effect on education has been to limit it in a de facto manner.  If the citizenry of the US had more information and better critical thinking abilities, the Republicans would just be an unfortunate footnote in textbooks 20 years from now.

You give the citizenry too much credit.  Many of them don't want the "burden" of information and critical thinking.  It ain't how their brains work.


Ted Cruz ad flashy! Me like big red words! Oooh, say scary thing of Democrat now. Me like Cruz more!

/and now, for some bread to go with that circus
 
2013-09-12 09:27:43 AM
I guess the saddest part is that due to gerrymandering, not only will these clowns not get voted out of office, but the only way they get replaced is by "now with MORE conservative rage" people who have no idea how politics ("the art of the deal") is supposed to work.
 
2013-09-12 09:28:01 AM
I'm not sure why, but this reminds me of yesterday's Benghazi protests in Washington. I read an interview with one protester who just couldn't understand why the conservative leadership wasn't jumping all over Benghazi. He couldn't understand why they didn't have the same "information" he did.
 
2013-09-12 09:29:36 AM

xanadian: born_yesterday: Mercutio74: Smoking GNU: And yet they still get elected in large numbers rather consistently, which say's a lot about the state of the US these days.

Oh absolutely, it's no mistake that the GOP's legislative effect on education has been to limit it in a de facto manner.  If the citizenry of the US had more information and better critical thinking abilities, the Republicans would just be an unfortunate footnote in textbooks 20 years from now.

You give the citizenry too much credit.  Many of them don't want the "burden" of information and critical thinking.  It ain't how their brains work.

Ted Cruz ad flashy! Me like big red words! Oooh, say scary thing of Democrat now. Me like Cruz more!

/and now, for some bread to go with that circus


We're getting some really sweet Ted Cuchinelli ads spilling over from Virginia right now, here in Maryland.  The only reason the guy is in the race is because of who the Dems picked to run against him.  Really?  Virginia only rates McCauliffe?  Not a state worth a decent candidate, I guess?
 
2013-09-12 09:39:11 AM

snowshovel: I guess the saddest part is that due to gerrymandering, not only will these clowns not get voted out of office, but the only way they get replaced is by "now with MORE conservative rage" people who have no idea how politics ("the art of the deal") is supposed to work.


The only thing I can think to compare to this is the Spartan Apella, where the person yelling the loudest won.  Then I thought, really, can we compare that lot of right-wing, chickenhawk, tax dodging, kiddie diddling arselochs to Sparta. . .
 
2013-09-12 09:49:50 AM

Evil Twin Skippy: GoldSpider: Nobody ever accused the teabaggers of having a coherent, realistic plan.

Plan? Hell they don't even have a coherent, realistic interpretation of reality the facts before them.


Better.
 
2013-09-12 10:18:23 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: King Something: Bareefer Obonghit: As delicious as it is to see the GOP repeatedly sticking its dick in a hornets nest because they heard there's honey in there, it bothers me that the Democratic Party doesn't have more publicity-worthy measures that they're trying to put forward. I mean, yes, we all love watching the GOP implode, but at some point I'd love to see some of the other side's policies make headlines. Hopefully positive ones. You'd think the Liberal Stream Media would be on this.

The GOP isn't sticking its dick in a hornet's nest because they think there's honey, they're doing it because Obama suggested that they shouldn't.

I'm now picturing Boehner gathering the House GOP together and saying, "Guys, Obama said if we fark this hornet's nest we'll get hurt. I'll bet he's hiding something in there." And then a line of naked Republicans taking turns boring out ol' Stingy Sally.


Stingy Sally?

Lots of different *spittake.jpg* here. Lulz
 
2013-09-12 10:24:05 AM

Smoking GNU: Mercutio74: Bareefer Obonghit: As delicious as it is to see the GOP repeatedly sticking its dick in a hornets nest because they heard there's honey in there, it bothers me that the Democratic Party doesn't have more publicity-worthy measures that they're trying to put forward. I mean, yes, we all love watching the GOP implode, but at some point I'd love to see some of the other side's policies make headlines. Hopefully positive ones. You'd think the Liberal Stream Media would be on this.

You absolutely would... especially if there was such a thing as liberal media.  But from a PR perspective (and a Sun Tzu perspective) it's best not to interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake.  And the GOP is essentially just a well funded mistake generating machine at this point.

And yet they still get elected in large numbers rather consistently, which say's a lot about the state of the US these days.


You do realize that many districts are gerrymandered to hell and back, right?
 
2013-09-12 10:45:33 AM

Lackofname: Smoking GNU: Mercutio74: Bareefer Obonghit: You do realize that many districts are gerrymandered to hell and back, right?


I'm starting to wonder if gerrymandering is an excuse at this point. More of a "we can't put our support behind this great candidate, he'll get destroyed in that district! just like all those empty suits we put in!" than a "clearly the people don't like us, we shouldn't even bother" type of thing.

People do like change and may vote against their norm if given a real reason to. Hell, RFK managed to win both blacks and klan country Indianans in 68. I don't think much has changed in how we see the world. If we could pull off putting great, meaningful candidates and give them all backing, we could probably make gerrymandering null.

If the parties run a good, local candidate from a heavily gerrymandered district, it's possible that they could win if you play your cards right.
 
2013-09-12 10:47:31 AM

somedude210: If we could pull off putting great, meaningful candidates and give them all backing, we could probably make gerrymandering null.

If the parties run a good, local candidate from a heavily gerrymandered district, it's possible that they could win if you play your cards right.


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2013-09-12 10:51:23 AM

somedude210: Lackofname: Smoking GNU: Mercutio74: Bareefer Obonghit: You do realize that many districts are gerrymandered to hell and back, right?

I'm starting to wonder if gerrymandering is an excuse at this point. More of a "we can't put our support behind this great candidate, he'll get destroyed in that district! just like all those empty suits we put in!" than a "clearly the people don't like us, we shouldn't even bother" type of thing.

People do like change and may vote against their norm if given a real reason to. Hell, RFK managed to win both blacks and klan country Indianans in 68. I don't think much has changed in how we see the world. If we could pull off putting great, meaningful candidates and give them all backing, we could probably make gerrymandering null.

If the parties run a good, local candidate from a heavily gerrymandered district, it's possible that they could win if you play your cards right.


Possible, yes, but unlikely.

Gerrymandering doesn't absolutely guarantee a victory, it just improves the odds.  It's the same idea as voter ID laws, it doesn't mean that no minorities will vote, but if you make it a little harder some percentage of the millions of people effected won't end up voting.
 
2013-09-12 11:00:12 AM

EyeballKid: [ohwaityoureserious.jpg]


jcooli09: Possible, yes, but unlikely.

Gerrymandering doesn't absolutely guarantee a victory, it just improves the odds. It's the same idea as voter ID laws, it doesn't mean that no minorities will vote, but if you make it a little harder some percentage of the millions of people effected won't end up voting.


cynicism aside, if you put up the right candidates, there is no "safe" seat. So should we just relegate ourselves to not trying because the district is so one-sided, or try with a better candidate.

Gerrymandering also works against you too. You can gerrymander a district to what you favor what you think the people want, put up a piss poor candidate who will tout the line and have them win that first election then completely blow the next few elections because the candidate really was terrible and you didn't care because it was a "lock"

case in point: the tea party members that won in 2010
 
2013-09-12 11:04:26 AM

somedude210: You can gerrymander a district to what you favor what you think the people want, put up a piss poor candidate who will tout the line and have them win that first election then completely blow the next few elections because the candidate really was terrible and you didn't care because it was a "lock."


And I guarantee you a lot of those Tea-per Tantrum congressmen will be re-elected in spite of their incompetence because they're still fighting the good fight against that nig...um, that is, ah..."socialist" in the White House.
 
2013-09-12 11:18:48 AM

EyeballKid: And I guarantee you a lot of those Tea-per Tantrum congressmen will be re-elected in spite of their incompetence because they're still fighting the good fight against that nig...um, that is, ah..."socialist" in the White House.


because Democrats refuse to toss money at running a worthwhile candidate
 
2013-09-12 03:22:12 PM

DeaH: I'm not sure why, but this reminds me of yesterday's Benghazi protests in Washington. I read an interview with one protester who just couldn't understand why the conservative leadership wasn't jumping all over Benghazi. He couldn't understand why they didn't have the same "infromation" he did.


FTFY
 
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