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(Daily Mail)   Mother refused to let her five-year-old son see his father for a year because: A) he hit him, B) he let him watch porn, C) he might feed the boy meat   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 30
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2013-09-12 02:09:47 AM  
6 votes:
I'd like to take this opportunity to point out how awesome the mother of my nephew is.  She's a vegetarian, my neph is a carnivore, and his little brother (I consider him a neph but technically no blood relation) wants to follow in his mothers footsteps.  She wouldn't have a bar of it.  Her philosophy is that she's a vegetarian for moral reasons, but until her son (9 years old now) is old enough to fully appreciate and debate the topic, he's going to get fed a proper omnivorous diet.  She's cooked meat for him every day even though she can't stand the smell of the stuff now.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you do it.
2013-09-12 03:24:38 AM  
4 votes:

BonesJackson: Sources on these repeated cases of permanently damaged children?

Yes, growing kids need protein, fats, carbohydrates, etc.  Let's not get silly though.  You don't quite understand nutrition if you honestly believe a child can't grow up healthy without the aid of animal proteins.  Just because some nutters do it wrong (if they actually do--or are you arguing on a personal inkling you don't expect to be called out on?) doesn't mean it's unquestionably impossible.


All due respect but this woman is clearly off her rocker, and there's no reason to put a kid on this level of diet unless there are actual medical issues involved, IN WHICH CASE it would have been brought before the court.

No great sources either way, but here's What's the Harm, with a list of dead/injured kids due to dietary whackery

From there, here's a news story.

The Parkers were vegan, a common but less-than-household term that sounds distinctly extraterrestrial, possibly because the star Vega has spawned numerous science-fiction aliens that bore the name Vegan. From a dietary perspective, vegans are vegetarians who shun not only meat but animal products like gelatin, eggs, cheese and milk.
...
Kimu Parker's trial ended April 9: The jury took 95 minutes to convict her of three counts of child abuse. She faces a mandatory prison term of 30 to 51 years at her sentencing, scheduled for June 13.
And jury members hadn't even been told about Lily.
She was the Parkers' second daughter. She died at 3 after a series of seizures in 2001, three months before Zion was born.

/there is no reason not to feed your kids lean meat
2013-09-12 12:35:55 AM  
4 votes:
She'd better not be giving him pudding. How can he have any pudding if he doesn't eat his meat!?
2013-09-12 12:12:13 AM  
4 votes:
You don't force exclusionary diets on five year olds unless there is a medically necessary reason.  If the father isn't vegetarian he has every right to serve meat when his son is in his care, and I suppose the mother has the right to serve him vegetarian fare when he is in hers as long as it isn't resulting in health concerns for the kid.
2013-09-12 08:12:31 AM  
3 votes:
Damn hippies.  You know what, I freaking hate them.  Not for the average run of the mill reasons like "they smell" or "they're commies" but because they don't recognize ANY adverse effects of their lifestyle.

You've got people who are buying "craft made items" from third world countries to help out the local economy.  Oh... you mean a sweat shop that doesn't even have to have a building?  That's what I call a group of Egyptian women desperately sewing clothing that is being shipped overseas where a import/export company takes a significant portion of the markup.

You've got people queing up to buy hybrid cars left and right.  Oh, by the way, the minerals for that are strip-mined in Canada, shipped to Japan for treatment, then the finished batteries are shipped back to the US for assembly in the finished car.  It's about as good for the environment has a tire fire.

And they've all got stickers on EVERYTHING.  I mean freaking everything.  You know what stickers are made out of?  Plastic.  You know, one of the single most pollutant products in the world.

Oh, and they make everything brown and green.  You know how? Chemical dyes.  You want to know what recycled paper would really look like?  take a chunk of a cereal box and chew it for about 10 minutes then spit it out.  that's what those "100% recycled" paper products look like before Georgia Pacific coats them in dye.

Then you've got this twit.  She's justifying keeping her child away from his father by saving the lives of countless animals.  Never mind the slowly building hatred your child is developing, the moo-cow is gonna live a happy care-free lifestyle now.  I'm not even going to mention the nutritional jackassery that has a 80% chance of occurring,because once that kid manages to get ahold of his father and he shows him this article, all that hatred is going to spin right around to mommy and I've got a feeling rare steak will be appearing in the household.

Oh... wait... Daily Mail.  It's fake.  Nevermind, carry on.
2013-09-12 07:27:41 AM  
3 votes:

lasercannon: "The mother's barrister, Byron James, argued on appeal that the reintroduction of so much contact after such a long break was 'too sudden and too steep a progression' and was likely to cause both the boy and his mother emotional harm."

Fark you lady. You didn't consider the emotional impact when you cut off all contact did you?


She just realizes that the minute her kid goes back to Dad's place and finds his dinner plate has a delicious slab of bloody meat on it, she's lost her kid.  She'll forever be "the icky food woman" and Dad will be the guy who serves him mouth-watering bacon-wrapped everything.  Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if that factored into the decision to keep the kid away from Dad in the first place.  I mean if you were 5 and the court was asking you who you wanted to stay with, would it be the person who made you eat nothing but vegetables or the guy who let you have a hot dog every now and then?
2013-09-12 04:53:48 AM  
3 votes:
Ugh. These kinds of threads always have me at war with myself.

1) Mom FTFA is a twat, plain and simple.
2) Kids can get by perfectly fine on a vegetarian diet if done properly, like any other human.
3) When people forgo meat because they just don't like it, I'm slightly puzzled, but whatever.
4) When people forgo meat because OMG IT'S MURDER, I wish they'd shut the f*ck up.
5) When people forgo meat for religious or health reasons, more power to them.
6) I f*cking love meat of all kinds, and yet find myself eating healthy vegetarian or vegan meals at least half the time because my body appreciates the conscious increase in nutrients, and vegetables are crazy delicious. And if you have even the slightest ability to cook, getting enough protein and fat is a cinch.
7) I f*cking love meat of all kinds, but people who INSIST on meat at every single meal are twats.
8) Entire cultures have sustained themselves on largely vegetarian diets for millenia and gotten by just fine. Try eating their cuisines sometime, it's generally fantastic.
9) The next hippie who gives me a dirty look when I tear into a rare ribeye is getting stabbed with my fork.

tl;dr People on all sides of the veg issue can often be concern trolling assholes.
2013-09-12 03:05:00 AM  
3 votes:
"The mother's barrister, Byron James, argued on appeal that the reintroduction of so much contact after such a long break was 'too sudden and too steep a progression' and was likely to cause both the boy and his mother emotional harm."

Fark you lady. You didn't consider the emotional impact when you cut off all contact did you?
2013-09-12 02:48:56 AM  
3 votes:
That child is going to grow up very, very stunted if not incredibly ill. There have been repeat cases of children being permanently damaged by psycho parents enforcing this kind of diet. Growing bodies need protein and dairy to properly assemble themselves. They are growing muscle and bone, if you don't give them the raw materials you are harming your kid.

Piscetarian? Fine, I'll go with it. No red meat? Okay, sure, some religions do that, no harm have some fowl. No pork? Okay. No meat at all?! Insanity.

Do whatever you want to your body but if you force choices on someone else's body you're a nutter.

/hope the kid's dad introduces him to the wonder of proper protein
//hell make it organic free range protein just to be a dick about it
2013-09-12 02:47:38 AM  
3 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: You don't force exclusionary diets on five year olds unless there is a medically necessary reason.  If the father isn't vegetarian he has every right to serve meat when his son is in his care, and I suppose the mother has the right to serve him vegetarian fare when he is in hers as long as it isn't resulting in health concerns for the kid.


What the hell are you doing in a Fark thread saying crap like this?  Is this some new variety of inverse-trolling where you post something reasonable just to see how many people will flip out?
2013-09-12 03:38:35 AM  
2 votes:
fark her. I'm sitting here reading this, not long after sending yet another "please call your kid" email to my kid's dad...he moved 2 hours away almost a year ago and started calling him only about every 2 months and has seen him twice (I drove, those are the only times it "would work"). No child support has ever been exchanged, it's not about that...I just want my kid to not feel shiatty because he's 13 now and "dad's just busy, you know he misses you" just doesn't cut it anymore.

Not fair. I would never withhold visits, and I have a sinking feeling my ex would prefer if I was more like this woman. If it wasn't for this awesome kid, I would agree with anyone who says I should have chosen more wisely in my youth. :/
2013-09-12 02:54:53 AM  
2 votes:
ugh i had a friends wife try to take away visitation rights from her husband because he was not following some ridiculous anti ADD diet that has been unproven for like 40 years.

the judge literally chuckled as he read the stuff.
2013-09-12 02:46:29 AM  
2 votes:
After his mom tries to feed him rabbit food again:

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2013-09-12 03:07:03 PM  
1 votes:

Mister Buttons: Croooow!: D) All of the above.  (He hit him with meat porn)

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2013-09-12 01:16:49 PM  
1 votes:

enik: Vegetarians being sanctimonious douchebags? Never.


That never happens with meat eaters?

In my almost 20 years of being a non-vegan vegetarian I've encountered far more self righteous carnivores than not.  I don't preach about my dietary choice, and couldn't care less about yours.  In fact, the people around me are mostly unaware, and my family often forgets that I'm a vegetarian.  The reaction I usually get from someone once they've found me out is straight out of Invasion of the Body Snatchers.  They point, shriek, and attempt to assimilate me.  Many one sided arguments have been had over why "you should just eat meat... because... Bacon!"

In my early twenties, I was bartending, and one night a semi regular came in for a couple beers and a bit to eat.  As we talked he casually offered me a chicken finger.  I politely declined.  He pushed the basket forward, and insisted.  I explained that I was vegetarian.  This man stared blankly at me for a moment, and then began a tirade of foul language and disgust with "my kind".  After threatening me with bodily harm, and no small amount of finger wagging (both he and the chicken) he stormed out without paying.  Good times.

So yes, there are some crazy militant vegetarians out there, but the saloon door swings both ways my friend.
2013-09-12 09:36:37 AM  
1 votes:
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The mother's barrister, Byron James, argued on appeal that the reintroduction of so much contact after such a long break was 'too sudden and too steep a progression' and was likely to cause both the boy and his mother emotional harm.


So, the mother defies a court order and prevents the child from having any contact with his father for over a year and than her lawyer argues that the child should have no more contact with his father because they haven't been in contact for so long ?!?
He probably even said this with a straight face.

Btw, why wasn't the boy's mother punished for defying a court order and potentially harming both her son and his father ?
If the roles had been reversed and the father had defied a court order and kept his son from visiting his mother, would the courts have ignored it and just said don't do it again ?
2013-09-12 08:18:26 AM  
1 votes:

IBreakdance2NIN: Ugh. These kinds of threads always have me at war with myself.

1) Mom FTFA is a twat, plain and simple.
2) Kids can get by perfectly fine on a vegetarian diet if done properly, like any other human.
3) When people forgo meat because they just don't like it, I'm slightly puzzled, but whatever.
4) When people forgo meat because OMG IT'S MURDER, I wish they'd shut the f*ck up.
5) When people forgo meat for religious or health reasons, more power to them.
6) I f*cking love meat of all kinds, and yet find myself eating healthy vegetarian or vegan meals at least half the time because my body appreciates the conscious increase in nutrients, and vegetables are crazy delicious. And if you have even the slightest ability to cook, getting enough protein and fat is a cinch.
7) I f*cking love meat of all kinds, but people who INSIST on meat at every single meal are twats.
8) Entire cultures have sustained themselves on largely vegetarian diets for millenia and gotten by just fine. Try eating their cuisines sometime, it's generally fantastic.
9) The next hippie who gives me a dirty look when I tear into a rare ribeye is getting stabbed with my fork.

tl;dr People on all sides of the veg issue can often be concern trolling assholes.


So because I like the taste of meat more than I like the taste of veggies, I'm a twat?  And before you assume it's the quality of veggies, I have a very productive garden filled with all my favorites.  Tomatoes and corn are great, but they're not as great as chicken or steak or pig.  And as such, I'll have them as a side to my meat main course thank you very much.

/Breakfast is for cereal Mon-Fri
2013-09-12 08:06:39 AM  
1 votes:
vegetarian diets are farking stupid
2013-09-12 05:40:23 AM  
1 votes:
"I'm sorry, I can't get over that awesome picture of Lord Justice Underhill."

I thought that was the mom.
2013-09-12 04:23:15 AM  
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: Here is a simple test:

Do you have to use vitamins/artificial means to suppliment your nutrition?

YES = you're doing it wrong
NO = thumbs up


THIS

supplemented diet = incomplete diet.

Balance of intake in regards to foodstuffs encourages the body's metabolism to remain constant. Stability of metabolism helps to ward off diabetes, for a start, and helps maintain mental stability.

My (hypothetical) kids will be free to choose to become vegan at any point of their lives, but not without a trip to a nutritionist doctor, and regular blood testing.

I cook for my household, catering for vegans (thus, myself, eating a 98% vegan diet), but you'll prize my bacon, cheese, steak, cheese, venison and bacon from my cold, dead, but well-fed hands. I simply get horribly depressed without meat and cheese.

Forcing a child to be vegan from birth means that you have effectively removed meat from the list of their easily digestible foodstuffs befor they have any legal say in the matter - when they come to the age of 18 and maybe want to try it themselves, they'll be most likely violently ill as their system rejects the animal proteins. (anyone who claims that this is not cruelty should be hung by their wrists and be bled to death from cuts to their soles)
2013-09-12 03:48:06 AM  
1 votes:

aerojockey: Zombie DJ: You know who invented salad? Poor people....

Originally, salad greens served as an excuse to eat salt, in the same way tortilla chip serve as an excuse to eat salsa, or potatoes as an excuse to eat sour cream.


In fact, the very word "salad" comes from the Latin word for "salted."
2013-09-12 03:45:06 AM  
1 votes:
"I don't mind enforcing my lifestyle on my children, so long as their father is legally forced to help me. Otherwise he can never see them. Because I want everyone to know who controls things around here"

This is how hyper-vegetarians sound in my head.
2013-09-12 03:37:04 AM  
1 votes:

Zombie DJ: You know who invented salad? Poor people....


Originally, salad greens served as an excuse to eat salt, in the same way tortilla chip serve as an excuse to eat salsa, or potatoes as an excuse to eat sour cream.
2013-09-12 03:14:53 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: She'd better not be giving him pudding. How can he have any pudding if he doesn't eat his meat!?


(Shakes tiny fist of anger at Doglover) Damn you, damn you to Hell. It was the first thi... Oh well great minds think alike. =)
2013-09-12 03:05:51 AM  
1 votes:

Ringshadow: That child is going to grow up very, very stunted if not incredibly ill. There have been repeat cases of children being permanently damaged by psycho parents enforcing this kind of diet. Growing bodies need protein and dairy to properly assemble themselves. They are growing muscle and bone, if you don't give them the raw materials you are harming your kid.

Piscetarian? Fine, I'll go with it. No red meat? Okay, sure, some religions do that, no harm have some fowl. No pork? Okay. No meat at all?! Insanity.

Do whatever you want to your body but if you force choices on someone else's body you're a nutter.

/hope the kid's dad introduces him to the wonder of proper protein
//hell make it organic free range protein just to be a dick about it



Sources on these repeated cases of permanently damaged children?

Yes, growing kids need protein, fats, carbohydrates, etc.  Let's not get silly though.  You don't quite understand nutrition if you honestly believe a child can't grow up healthy without the aid of animal proteins.  Just because some nutters do it wrong (if they actually do--or are you arguing on a personal inkling you don't expect to be called out on?) doesn't mean it's unquestionably impossible.
2013-09-12 01:32:52 AM  
1 votes:
In August, a family judge in Bristol ordered a strict regime of contact between father and son - including overnight and weekend visits - and told the mother a residence order would be made in the father's favour if she put a foot out of line.

So... what? That was just a hollow threat?

The mother [...] had been refusing to engage in the court process and the father  had not seen his son for more than  a year.

She "refused to engage" in the court process but still maintained custody?   WTF?
2013-09-12 01:21:09 AM  
1 votes:
You know who invented salad? Poor people....
2013-09-12 01:12:44 AM  
1 votes:

Klippoklondike: You don't win child custody with salad


I would like to nominate the above as the Fark Post of the YearTM
2013-09-12 12:41:36 AM  
1 votes:
www.famousfoto.com
2013-09-12 12:03:05 AM  
1 votes:
You don't win child custody with salad
 
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