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(Daily Mail)   Mother refused to let her five-year-old son see his father for a year because: A) he hit him, B) he let him watch porn, C) he might feed the boy meat   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 109
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2013-09-12 12:03:05 AM
You don't win child custody with salad
 
2013-09-12 12:05:34 AM
I'm sorry, I can't get over that awesome picture of Lord Justice Underhill.

Klippoklondike: You don't win child custody with salad


It's just a little custody battle! It's still good! It's still good!
 
2013-09-12 12:11:40 AM
Feed him meat or toss his salad?
 
2013-09-12 12:12:13 AM
You don't force exclusionary diets on five year olds unless there is a medically necessary reason.  If the father isn't vegetarian he has every right to serve meat when his son is in his care, and I suppose the mother has the right to serve him vegetarian fare when he is in hers as long as it isn't resulting in health concerns for the kid.
 
2013-09-12 12:35:55 AM
She'd better not be giving him pudding. How can he have any pudding if he doesn't eat his meat!?
 
2013-09-12 12:37:45 AM
Disgusting. Just completely disgusting.
 
2013-09-12 12:41:36 AM
www.famousfoto.com
 
2013-09-12 01:12:44 AM

Klippoklondike: You don't win child custody with salad


I would like to nominate the above as the Fark Post of the YearTM
 
2013-09-12 01:13:42 AM
D) All of the above.  (He hit him with meat porn)
 
2013-09-12 01:21:09 AM
You know who invented salad? Poor people....
 
2013-09-12 01:32:52 AM
In August, a family judge in Bristol ordered a strict regime of contact between father and son - including overnight and weekend visits - and told the mother a residence order would be made in the father's favour if she put a foot out of line.

So... what? That was just a hollow threat?

The mother [...] had been refusing to engage in the court process and the father  had not seen his son for more than  a year.

She "refused to engage" in the court process but still maintained custody?   WTF?
 
2013-09-12 02:09:47 AM
I'd like to take this opportunity to point out how awesome the mother of my nephew is.  She's a vegetarian, my neph is a carnivore, and his little brother (I consider him a neph but technically no blood relation) wants to follow in his mothers footsteps.  She wouldn't have a bar of it.  Her philosophy is that she's a vegetarian for moral reasons, but until her son (9 years old now) is old enough to fully appreciate and debate the topic, he's going to get fed a proper omnivorous diet.  She's cooked meat for him every day even though she can't stand the smell of the stuff now.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you do it.
 
2013-09-12 02:46:29 AM
After his mom tries to feed him rabbit food again:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-12 02:47:38 AM

TuteTibiImperes: You don't force exclusionary diets on five year olds unless there is a medically necessary reason.  If the father isn't vegetarian he has every right to serve meat when his son is in his care, and I suppose the mother has the right to serve him vegetarian fare when he is in hers as long as it isn't resulting in health concerns for the kid.


What the hell are you doing in a Fark thread saying crap like this?  Is this some new variety of inverse-trolling where you post something reasonable just to see how many people will flip out?
 
2013-09-12 02:48:21 AM

Croooow!: D) All of the above.  (He hit him with meat porn)


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-12 02:48:56 AM
That child is going to grow up very, very stunted if not incredibly ill. There have been repeat cases of children being permanently damaged by psycho parents enforcing this kind of diet. Growing bodies need protein and dairy to properly assemble themselves. They are growing muscle and bone, if you don't give them the raw materials you are harming your kid.

Piscetarian? Fine, I'll go with it. No red meat? Okay, sure, some religions do that, no harm have some fowl. No pork? Okay. No meat at all?! Insanity.

Do whatever you want to your body but if you force choices on someone else's body you're a nutter.

/hope the kid's dad introduces him to the wonder of proper protein
//hell make it organic free range protein just to be a dick about it
 
2013-09-12 02:50:31 AM
Mwelp, no more Daily Fail links for me.
 
2013-09-12 02:54:53 AM
ugh i had a friends wife try to take away visitation rights from her husband because he was not following some ridiculous anti ADD diet that has been unproven for like 40 years.

the judge literally chuckled as he read the stuff.
 
2013-09-12 02:57:33 AM
If she's still breastfeeding the boy, I'm not going to argue with her. There's no need for a kid to eat meat if he can consume breast milk. It contains all the nutrients babies need.
 
2013-09-12 02:58:32 AM
"The little girl saw her dad coming out of the shower and said "dad, when do I get a penis like that?" The dad replied "As soon as mommy goes to work." - George Carlin. "Feed him meat" goes both ways.
 
2013-09-12 03:05:00 AM
"The mother's barrister, Byron James, argued on appeal that the reintroduction of so much contact after such a long break was 'too sudden and too steep a progression' and was likely to cause both the boy and his mother emotional harm."

Fark you lady. You didn't consider the emotional impact when you cut off all contact did you?
 
2013-09-12 03:05:51 AM

Ringshadow: That child is going to grow up very, very stunted if not incredibly ill. There have been repeat cases of children being permanently damaged by psycho parents enforcing this kind of diet. Growing bodies need protein and dairy to properly assemble themselves. They are growing muscle and bone, if you don't give them the raw materials you are harming your kid.

Piscetarian? Fine, I'll go with it. No red meat? Okay, sure, some religions do that, no harm have some fowl. No pork? Okay. No meat at all?! Insanity.

Do whatever you want to your body but if you force choices on someone else's body you're a nutter.

/hope the kid's dad introduces him to the wonder of proper protein
//hell make it organic free range protein just to be a dick about it



Sources on these repeated cases of permanently damaged children?

Yes, growing kids need protein, fats, carbohydrates, etc.  Let's not get silly though.  You don't quite understand nutrition if you honestly believe a child can't grow up healthy without the aid of animal proteins.  Just because some nutters do it wrong (if they actually do--or are you arguing on a personal inkling you don't expect to be called out on?) doesn't mean it's unquestionably impossible.
 
2013-09-12 03:14:53 AM

doglover: She'd better not be giving him pudding. How can he have any pudding if he doesn't eat his meat!?


(Shakes tiny fist of anger at Doglover) Damn you, damn you to Hell. It was the first thi... Oh well great minds think alike. =)
 
2013-09-12 03:24:38 AM

BonesJackson: Sources on these repeated cases of permanently damaged children?

Yes, growing kids need protein, fats, carbohydrates, etc.  Let's not get silly though.  You don't quite understand nutrition if you honestly believe a child can't grow up healthy without the aid of animal proteins.  Just because some nutters do it wrong (if they actually do--or are you arguing on a personal inkling you don't expect to be called out on?) doesn't mean it's unquestionably impossible.


All due respect but this woman is clearly off her rocker, and there's no reason to put a kid on this level of diet unless there are actual medical issues involved, IN WHICH CASE it would have been brought before the court.

No great sources either way, but here's What's the Harm, with a list of dead/injured kids due to dietary whackery

From there, here's a news story.

The Parkers were vegan, a common but less-than-household term that sounds distinctly extraterrestrial, possibly because the star Vega has spawned numerous science-fiction aliens that bore the name Vegan. From a dietary perspective, vegans are vegetarians who shun not only meat but animal products like gelatin, eggs, cheese and milk.
...
Kimu Parker's trial ended April 9: The jury took 95 minutes to convict her of three counts of child abuse. She faces a mandatory prison term of 30 to 51 years at her sentencing, scheduled for June 13.
And jury members hadn't even been told about Lily.
She was the Parkers' second daughter. She died at 3 after a series of seizures in 2001, three months before Zion was born.

/there is no reason not to feed your kids lean meat
 
2013-09-12 03:27:45 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: If she's still breastfeeding the boy, I'm not going to argue with her. There's no need for a kid to eat meat if he can consume breast milk. It contains all the nutrients babies need.


Aww Jesus.  You didn't even bait a hook; you're dragging your dick in the water.
 
2013-09-12 03:31:20 AM

Ringshadow: BonesJackson: Sources on these repeated cases of permanently damaged children?

Yes, growing kids need protein, fats, carbohydrates, etc.  Let's not get silly though.  You don't quite understand nutrition if you honestly believe a child can't grow up healthy without the aid of animal proteins.  Just because some nutters do it wrong (if they actually do--or are you arguing on a personal inkling you don't expect to be called out on?) doesn't mean it's unquestionably impossible.

All due respect but this woman is clearly off her rocker, and there's no reason to put a kid on this level of diet unless there are actual medical issues involved, IN WHICH CASE it would have been brought before the court.

No great sources either way, but here's What's the Harm, with a list of dead/injured kids due to dietary whackery

From there, here's a news story.

The Parkers were vegan, a common but less-than-household term that sounds distinctly extraterrestrial, possibly because the star Vega has spawned numerous science-fiction aliens that bore the name Vegan. From a dietary perspective, vegans are vegetarians who shun not only meat but animal products like gelatin, eggs, cheese and milk.
...
Kimu Parker's trial ended April 9: The jury took 95 minutes to convict her of three counts of child abuse. She faces a mandatory prison term of 30 to 51 years at her sentencing, scheduled for June 13.
And jury members hadn't even been told about Lily.
She was the Parkers' second daughter. She died at 3 after a series of seizures in 2001, three months before Zion was born.

/there is no reason not to feed your kids lean meat


When I grow up I want to marry you.

Srsly. Yer awesome, Ringy :3
 
2013-09-12 03:32:28 AM

Freschel: great minds think alike


They do, but YOU'RE thinking like me.

:-\
 
2013-09-12 03:37:04 AM

Zombie DJ: You know who invented salad? Poor people....


Originally, salad greens served as an excuse to eat salt, in the same way tortilla chip serve as an excuse to eat salsa, or potatoes as an excuse to eat sour cream.
 
2013-09-12 03:38:33 AM
We, carnivores, must continue to protect and assert our right to kill other sentient beings and eat their flesh on the Internet. For if we fail to continue, friends, I feel that the vegans will begin to assert control. We cannot let this happen. We should contemplate creating an 11th Amendment: The Right to Eat Meat
 
2013-09-12 03:38:35 AM
fark her. I'm sitting here reading this, not long after sending yet another "please call your kid" email to my kid's dad...he moved 2 hours away almost a year ago and started calling him only about every 2 months and has seen him twice (I drove, those are the only times it "would work"). No child support has ever been exchanged, it's not about that...I just want my kid to not feel shiatty because he's 13 now and "dad's just busy, you know he misses you" just doesn't cut it anymore.

Not fair. I would never withhold visits, and I have a sinking feeling my ex would prefer if I was more like this woman. If it wasn't for this awesome kid, I would agree with anyone who says I should have chosen more wisely in my youth. :/
 
2013-09-12 03:41:14 AM

OOBE Juan Kenobi: We, carnivores, must continue to protect and assert our right to kill other sentient beings and eat their flesh on the Internet. For if we fail to continue, friends, I feel that the vegans will begin to assert control. We cannot let this happen. We should contemplate creating an 11th Amendment: The Right to Eat Meat


that's just silly... everyone knows vegetarians are to weak to assert anything.
 
2013-09-12 03:43:46 AM

rogue_L_chick: fark her. I'm sitting here reading this, not long after sending yet another "please call your kid" email to my kid's dad...he moved 2 hours away almost a year ago and started calling him only about every 2 months and has seen him twice (I drove, those are the only times it "would work"). No child support has ever been exchanged, it's not about that...I just want my kid to not feel shiatty because he's 13 now and "dad's just busy, you know he misses you" just doesn't cut it anymore.

Not fair. I would never withhold visits, and I have a sinking feeling my ex would prefer if I was more like this woman. If it wasn't for this awesome kid, I would agree with anyone who says I should have chosen more wisely in my youth. :/


awww... damn, and I was all set to post the pic from Indiana Jones - Last Crusade "chose poorly"... just steal my thunder why don't ya.
 
2013-09-12 03:43:54 AM
Ringshadow: Stuff.

First sentence in that link you provided: "There is no harm in a properly balanced vegetarian diet."

I also followed the link they provided to KidsHealth.org offering more info about child vegetarianism.  This is what it said:

A Healthy Lifestyle

A vegetarian diet can be a healthy choice for all kids, as long as it's properly planned.

The principles of planning a vegetarian diet are the same as planning any healthy diet - provide a variety of foods and include foods from all of the food groups. A balanced diet will provide the right combinations to meet nutritional needs. But be aware of potential nutrient deficiencies in your child's diet and figure out how you'll account for them. With a little exploration, you may find more vegetarian options than you realized.

If you aren't sure your child is getting all necessary nutrients or if you have any questions about vegetarian diets, check in with your family doctor, pediatrician, or a registered dietitian.

Reviewed by:  Mary L. Gavin, MD Date reviewed: October 2011



To be clear, I'm not arguing on behalf the woman in this article or the parents listed on your link who did neglect their kids.  I'm saying raising a child vegetarian isn't in and of itself child abuse.
 
2013-09-12 03:45:06 AM
"I don't mind enforcing my lifestyle on my children, so long as their father is legally forced to help me. Otherwise he can never see them. Because I want everyone to know who controls things around here"

This is how hyper-vegetarians sound in my head.
 
2013-09-12 03:45:57 AM

BonesJackson: Ringshadow: Stuff.

First sentence in that link you provided: "There is no harm in a properly balanced vegetarian diet."

I also followed the link they provided to KidsHealth.org offering more info about child vegetarianism.  This is what it said:

A Healthy Lifestyle

A vegetarian diet can be a healthy choice for all kids, as long as it's properly planned.

The principles of planning a vegetarian diet are the same as planning any healthy diet - provide a variety of foods and include foods from all of the food groups. A balanced diet will provide the right combinations to meet nutritional needs. But be aware of potential nutrient deficiencies in your child's diet and figure out how you'll account for them. With a little exploration, you may find more vegetarian options than you realized.

If you aren't sure your child is getting all necessary nutrients or if you have any questions about vegetarian diets, check in with your family doctor, pediatrician, or a registered dietitian.

Reviewed by:  Mary L. Gavin, MD Date reviewed: October 2011


To be clear, I'm not arguing on behalf the woman in this article or the parents listed on your link who did neglect their kids.  I'm saying raising a child vegetarian isn't in and of itself child abuse.


Here is a simple test:

Do you have to use vitamins/artificial means to suppliment your nutrition?

YES = you're doing it wrong
NO = thumbs up
 
2013-09-12 03:46:13 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: OOBE Juan Kenobi: We, carnivores, must continue to protect and assert our right to kill other sentient beings and eat their flesh on the Internet. For if we fail to continue, friends, I feel that the vegans will begin to assert control. We cannot let this happen. We should contemplate creating an 11th Amendment: The Right to Eat Meat

that's just silly... everyone knows vegetarians are to weak to assert anything.


You're exactly right. I'll trust your logic is well founded. I have yet to discover any athlete vegans, after all, so I know exactly what you're talking about.
 
2013-09-12 03:48:06 AM

aerojockey: Zombie DJ: You know who invented salad? Poor people....

Originally, salad greens served as an excuse to eat salt, in the same way tortilla chip serve as an excuse to eat salsa, or potatoes as an excuse to eat sour cream.


In fact, the very word "salad" comes from the Latin word for "salted."
 
2013-09-12 03:50:51 AM

OOBE Juan Kenobi: HindiDiscoMonster: OOBE Juan Kenobi: We, carnivores, must continue to protect and assert our right to kill other sentient beings and eat their flesh on the Internet. For if we fail to continue, friends, I feel that the vegans will begin to assert control. We cannot let this happen. We should contemplate creating an 11th Amendment: The Right to Eat Meat

that's just silly... everyone knows vegetarians are to weak to assert anything.

You're exactly right. I'll trust your logic is well founded. I have yet to discover any athlete vegans, after all, so I know exactly what you're talking about.


thebestpictureproject.files.wordpress.com
/Love the name
 
2013-09-12 03:50:52 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: OOBE Juan Kenobi: We, carnivores, must continue to protect and assert our right to kill other sentient beings and eat their flesh on the Internet. For if we fail to continue, friends, I feel that the vegans will begin to assert control. We cannot let this happen. We should contemplate creating an 11th Amendment: The Right to Eat Meat

that's just silly... everyone knows vegetarians are to too weak to assert anything.


FTFY

/vegetarian
 
2013-09-12 03:51:30 AM

BonesJackson: To be clear, I'm not arguing on behalf the woman in this article or the parents listed on your link who did neglect their kids. I'm saying raising a child vegetarian isn't in and of itself child abuse.


Many on the Indian Subcontinent agree with your statement.  Millions upon millions of people raise their children never eating meat.  Not an issue as long as you get the requires nutrients from a variety of different vegetables.
 
2013-09-12 03:52:49 AM

shtychkn: BonesJackson: To be clear, I'm not arguing on behalf the woman in this article or the parents listed on your link who did neglect their kids. I'm saying raising a child vegetarian isn't in and of itself child abuse.

Many on the Indian Subcontinent agree with your statement.  Millions upon millions of people raise their children never eating meat.  Not an issue as long as you get the requires nutrients from a variety of different vegetables.


which vegetable provides biosoluable B12?
 
2013-09-12 03:58:35 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com

Thank you. 'Cordell' was taken.
 
2013-09-12 04:16:03 AM
Psycho-vegan freakout? Sounds like a job for The Reverend Horton Heat.
 
2013-09-12 04:21:02 AM
farm1.staticflickr.com

You Farkers really brought your A-game to this one. Bravo.

/Your kindergartener wants steak
 
2013-09-12 04:23:15 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Here is a simple test:

Do you have to use vitamins/artificial means to suppliment your nutrition?

YES = you're doing it wrong
NO = thumbs up


THIS

supplemented diet = incomplete diet.

Balance of intake in regards to foodstuffs encourages the body's metabolism to remain constant. Stability of metabolism helps to ward off diabetes, for a start, and helps maintain mental stability.

My (hypothetical) kids will be free to choose to become vegan at any point of their lives, but not without a trip to a nutritionist doctor, and regular blood testing.

I cook for my household, catering for vegans (thus, myself, eating a 98% vegan diet), but you'll prize my bacon, cheese, steak, cheese, venison and bacon from my cold, dead, but well-fed hands. I simply get horribly depressed without meat and cheese.

Forcing a child to be vegan from birth means that you have effectively removed meat from the list of their easily digestible foodstuffs befor they have any legal say in the matter - when they come to the age of 18 and maybe want to try it themselves, they'll be most likely violently ill as their system rejects the animal proteins. (anyone who claims that this is not cruelty should be hung by their wrists and be bled to death from cuts to their soles)
 
2013-09-12 04:24:30 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: shtychkn: BonesJackson: To be clear, I'm not arguing on behalf the woman in this article or the parents listed on your link who did neglect their kids. I'm saying raising a child vegetarian isn't in and of itself child abuse.

Many on the Indian Subcontinent agree with your statement.  Millions upon millions of people raise their children never eating meat.  Not an issue as long as you get the requires nutrients from a variety of different vegetables.

which vegetable provides biosoluable B12?


A Japanese fermented black tea known as Batabata-cha has been found to contain biologically active B12


If you can trust Wikipedia.


However, I should have been more clear in my post.  Milk products/yogurt are perfectly acceptable source in a vegetarian diet.
 
2013-09-12 04:37:51 AM

shtychkn: HindiDiscoMonster: shtychkn: BonesJackson: To be clear, I'm not arguing on behalf the woman in this article or the parents listed on your link who did neglect their kids. I'm saying raising a child vegetarian isn't in and of itself child abuse.

Many on the Indian Subcontinent agree with your statement.  Millions upon millions of people raise their children never eating meat.  Not an issue as long as you get the requires nutrients from a variety of different vegetables.

which vegetable provides biosoluable B12?

A Japanese fermented black tea known as Batabata-cha has been found to contain biologically active B12


If you can trust Wikipedia.


However, I should have been more clear in my post.  Milk products/yogurt are perfectly acceptable source in a vegetarian diet.


Does not contain enough unless you are drinking it by the dozen gallons per day... talk about a pisser.
 
2013-09-12 04:50:23 AM
i265.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-12 04:53:48 AM
Ugh. These kinds of threads always have me at war with myself.

1) Mom FTFA is a twat, plain and simple.
2) Kids can get by perfectly fine on a vegetarian diet if done properly, like any other human.
3) When people forgo meat because they just don't like it, I'm slightly puzzled, but whatever.
4) When people forgo meat because OMG IT'S MURDER, I wish they'd shut the f*ck up.
5) When people forgo meat for religious or health reasons, more power to them.
6) I f*cking love meat of all kinds, and yet find myself eating healthy vegetarian or vegan meals at least half the time because my body appreciates the conscious increase in nutrients, and vegetables are crazy delicious. And if you have even the slightest ability to cook, getting enough protein and fat is a cinch.
7) I f*cking love meat of all kinds, but people who INSIST on meat at every single meal are twats.
8) Entire cultures have sustained themselves on largely vegetarian diets for millenia and gotten by just fine. Try eating their cuisines sometime, it's generally fantastic.
9) The next hippie who gives me a dirty look when I tear into a rare ribeye is getting stabbed with my fork.

tl;dr People on all sides of the veg issue can often be concern trolling assholes.
 
2013-09-12 05:09:44 AM
The father should have told her that it was mock meat, made of soy.  He could, also, tell her that he gives the kid mock wine and not real wine.  This should go over well when the mother comes to pick the kid up and asks why the kid is throwing up and falling down all over the place.  He's mock drunk.
 
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