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(ABC)   Red Green voted out in Norway. And so begins the winter of their discount tent   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 56
    More: Misc, voting bloc, Norway, Anders Behring Breivik, Labor Party, Jens Stoltenberg, elderly care, minority government, Norwegian Police  
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2013-09-11 10:54:22 PM  
Wonder how you say "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" in Norwegian.
 
2013-09-11 10:58:31 PM  

ds_4815: Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati


Same as in English
 
2013-09-11 11:05:16 PM  
Wait -- I'll ask my possum. He'll know...
 
2013-09-11 11:17:27 PM  
I'm pulling for him. We're all in this together.
 
2013-09-11 11:20:03 PM  
I'm a man. I can change. If I have to. I guess.
 
2013-09-11 11:37:05 PM  
I'll leave when you pry the duct tape from my cold, dead, hands.

mrwriteon.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-11 11:45:15 PM  
I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off!
 
2013-09-12 12:04:57 AM  
First Australia and now Norway, what the hell is up with conservatives suddenly gaining power overseas?  Is it just knee-jerk reactionism due to the global economic woes, people thinking that anything different is automatically better?

Still, it's telling that Norwegian conservatives still believe in universal health care, free college education, and a strong elder care commitment.  Those would be extreme left positions over here.
 
2013-09-12 12:42:34 AM  
And remember, if the voters don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy!
 
2013-09-12 01:02:24 AM  
The handyman's secret weapon:
www.furhappens.com
 
2013-09-12 01:51:00 AM  
The Possum Lodge set is actually here in Hamilton in a shop called Mr. Used.

Everything they sell in Mr. Used is wickedly expensive for the simple reason  they make more money renting props to the film and television industry than they do selling stuff. They have a very odd assortment of unusual items so hate to part with anything. If they sell it, they can't rent it.

Of course they also have some common everyday items which aren't too unreasonable in price. But the oddball stuff they price at way above market value.
 
2013-09-12 02:14:48 AM  
Only a select few Americans could understand this headline.

I am one of those

/Not too many people watch PBS
 
2013-09-12 03:34:26 AM  
Politics: where any tool can be the right tool.
 
2013-09-12 05:12:47 AM  
I never get tired of this picture
imagemacros.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-12 05:14:09 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: First Australia and now Norway, what the hell is up with conservatives suddenly gaining power overseas?  Is it just knee-jerk reactionism due to the global economic woes, people thinking that anything different is automatically better?

Still, it's telling that Norwegian conservatives still believe in universal health care, free college education, and a strong elder care commitment.  Those would be extreme left positions over here.


Yep.  It sure would be nice to have a party as far left as their conservative party here.
 
2013-09-12 05:18:10 AM  
I'm confused about the headline. Jens Stoltenberg looks nothing like Red Green. Also, the colour of his party is red, no green.
 
2013-09-12 05:22:24 AM  
TFA: Conservative Party leader Erna Solberg - nicknamed "Iron Erna" - will become Norway's new prime minister as the leader of a center-right coalition government likely including an anti-immigration party.

I hope she's not related to Petter Solberg. I'd hate for one of my favorite rally car drivers to be associated with a racist hardliner.

www.mibz.com

www.wallmay.net
 
2013-09-12 05:34:27 AM  
That's what you get when you don't keep your stick on the ice...
 
2013-09-12 05:35:32 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: First Australia and now Norway, what the hell is up with conservatives suddenly gaining power overseas?  Is it just knee-jerk reactionism due to the global economic woes, people thinking that anything different is automatically better?

Still, it's telling that Norwegian conservatives still believe in universal health care, free college education, and a strong elder care commitment.  Those would be extreme left positions over here.


And yet, somehow, I have a feeling that American conservatives will use this as an example of THEIR ideology being embraced.
 
2013-09-12 05:56:52 AM  

cman: Only a select few Americans could understand this headline.

I am one of those

/Not too many people watch PBS


I too, am one of those people, although if you look at this thread, there are a boatload of farkers who watch it too

/nothing is ever obscure on Fark
//except most of the jokes in my headlines
 
2013-09-12 06:26:00 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Still, it's telling that Norwegian conservatives still believe in universal health care, free college education, and a strong elder care commitment. Those would be extreme left positions over here.


The (weak) argument used by Scandinavian conservatives is that those are "traditional" values for their people.  Apparently America's traditional values concerning the old, young, poor and sick are "fark you, I got mine!"

LordJiro: And yet, somehow, I have a feeling that American conservatives will use this as an example of THEIR ideology being embraced.


Well the ultra-nationialism and frequent homophobia would make American conservatives feel at home.
 
2013-09-12 06:30:01 AM  
I, for one, welcome Norway's new prime minister.

i1.squidoocdn.com
 
2013-09-12 06:48:39 AM  
Norway conservative voters embrace Norway traditional values: Free health care & education for all, and lots of other very progressive policies.

When the conservatives in Norway talk about cutting taxes on people making over $140,000, they're talking about cutting them from 50% to 48%. They also have a 25% sales tax on everything. And oil revenues that all go to the state to reduce the tax rates everyone would otherwise have to pay.
 
2013-09-12 06:54:53 AM  
Nor way!
 
2013-09-12 06:56:58 AM  
"with new ideas and new solutions"

Yeah that's what they said here too.  Good luck with that.
 
2013-09-12 07:01:07 AM  

somedude210: cman: Only a select few Americans could understand this headline.

I am one of those

/Not too many people watch PBS

I too, am one of those people, although if you look at this thread, there are a boatload of farkers who watch it too

/nothing is ever obscure on Fark
//except most of the jokes in my headlines


I introduced my Norwegian husband to Red Green pretty much the moment he arrived on US soil to meet my family.  I would kill for a DVD box set to give him.

Also, Red Green quotes are even funnier when you hear them spoken with a Norwegian accent.
 
2013-09-12 07:17:13 AM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-09-12 07:26:36 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: First Australia and now Norway, what the hell is up with conservatives suddenly gaining power overseas?  Is it just knee-jerk reactionism due to the global economic woes, people thinking that anything different is automatically better?

Still, it's telling that Norwegian conservatives still believe in universal health care, free college education, and a strong elder care commitment.  Those would be extreme left positions over here.


It's that way in Canada, too. The "liberals" have an abysmal record on the environment, health care, etc. Their "conservatives" would be Democrats down here, and their teatard contingent isn't taken seriously by much of anyone.
 
2013-09-12 07:40:09 AM  
Yet, none of the parties suggested that Norwegians should have to pay for things such as hospital visits, college education or elderly care.
"Everybody agrees that should be for free," he said.


And this is from a center-right party over there.  I love this country, but dammit if it doesn't piss me off.  Like a misbehaving child.
 
2013-09-12 07:45:54 AM  
TuteTibiImperes: First Australia and now Norway, what the hell is up with conservatives suddenly gaining power overseas?  Is it just knee-jerk reactionism due to the global economic woes, people thinking that anything different is automatically better?

Part of it is just a need for change. Speaking for myself, I would usually have voted Ap (Labour). They're safe. However, they're a party of bureaucrats and accountants. Very good accountants, at that; they've kept Norway out of the worst of the financial problems we've seen just about everywhere else. The problem is that they have no vision, no new ideas, and they're getting a little too used to being in power.
The thing is, we as a species have got to stop using fossil fuels, and Norway as a nation has to get out of the fossil fuel industry. There is only one party willing to do that, and that is the Green party (MDG). I voted green this year, and I will continue to do so until Ap decides to leave our oil and gas reserves where they are -- alternately V (Left) if they also return to their promise never to cooperate with FrP.

Another thing that really annoys me about *all* our politicians, not just Ap, is that they keep asking "what will we live on after oil?" and yet never listen when people answer: Thorium. Norway has more wealth and energy in Thorium than it ever did in fossil fuels, but no politician will touch it with a barge pole because that means nuclear power and that's super-scary. Green is no better WRT thorium, but at least they're willing to take the first step.

As for different ...the political distance between Labour (Ap), Right (H) is small. This isn't like a shift from Democrat to Republican. It's more like a shift from far-left Democrat to moderately left Democrat, just further to the left. All our parties are commies by US standards -- even FrP (the so-called "Progress Party"; they're norwegian teabaggers, essentially).

I would also add that the four parties that supposedly won the election are unlikely to form a lasting coalition. Their policies are far to different. My prediction is that we'll see an uneasy coalition with three or four of these parties that will last only until it hits a stumbling block or two -- after which Labour will be back in charge (they are still the largest party with 30% of the votes).

Thorium, dammit.
 
2013-09-12 07:47:13 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: 'Iron Erna'?

Just sounds sexy, doesn't it?


www0.artflakes.com
 
2013-09-12 07:47:18 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: 'Iron Erna'?

Just sounds sexy, doesn't it?


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-12 08:10:45 AM  
i1247.photobucket.com

What a typical Norwegian citizen may look like.........
 
2013-09-12 08:12:11 AM  

Uncle Tractor: Neighborhood Watch: 'Iron Erna'?

Just sounds sexy, doesn't it?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x480]


Yeah, I'd vote for her, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.
 
2013-09-12 08:12:16 AM  

Uncle Tractor: Part of it is just a need for change. Speaking for myself, I would usually have voted Ap (Labour). They're safe. However, they're a party of bureaucrats and accountants. Very good accountants, at that; they've kept Norway out of the worst of the financial problems we've seen just about everywhere else. The problem is that they have no vision, no new ideas, and they're getting a little too used to being in power.
The thing is, we as a species have got to stop using fossil fuels, and Norway as a nation has to get out of the fossil fuel industry. There is only one party willing to do that, and that is the Green party (MDG). I voted green this year, and I will continue to do so until Ap decides to leave our oil and gas reserves where they are -- alternately V (Left) if they also return to their promise never to cooperate with FrP.


And this boys and girls of the United States of America, is what politics look like in the rest of the world.
 
2013-09-12 08:12:26 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: First Australia and now Norway, what the hell is up with conservatives suddenly gaining power overseas?  Is it just knee-jerk reactionism due to the global economic woes, people thinking that anything different is automatically better?

Still, it's telling that Norwegian conservatives still believe in universal health care, free college education, and a strong elder care commitment.  Those would be extreme left positions over here.


No.

There is not sudden jerk to the right in Norway.  The foreign (US) press is trying hard to create something that isn't there.  "Iron Erna" is with Høyre, a very moderate right-of center party.  Høyre and AP (Labor Party) together won the overwhelming majority of votes, just like in EVERY ELECTION EVER IN NORWAY.  Those two parties take turns running the country, joined by coalitions of lesser parties.

It is noticable that FrP (the actual right-wing party) got more votes than in the past, and they will now be part of the government coalition.  But the PM and the real power will be held by Høyre.

(And FrP isn't as anti-immigration as the foreign press is making them out to be, either.  They are certainly not as anti-immigration as every GOP elected official in the entire United States.)
 
2013-09-12 08:15:04 AM  

CokeBear: Norway conservative voters embrace Norway traditional values: Free health care & education for all, and lots of other very progressive policies.

When the conservatives in Norway talk about cutting taxes on people making over $140,000, they're talking about cutting them from 50% to 48%. They also have a 25% sales tax on everything. And oil revenues that all go to the state to reduce the tax rates everyone would otherwise have to pay.


Demographics:  4 million people, almost all of them old and white. It's a Floridian Retirement Community.
 
2013-09-12 08:17:36 AM  
Good memories. I always used to roll my eyes and complain when my dad watched Red Green, but I secretly found it hilarious.
 
2013-09-12 08:22:27 AM  

Alphax: TuteTibiImperes: First Australia and now Norway, what the hell is up with conservatives suddenly gaining power overseas?  Is it just knee-jerk reactionism due to the global economic woes, people thinking that anything different is automatically better?

Still, it's telling that Norwegian conservatives still believe in universal health care, free college education, and a strong elder care commitment.  Those would be extreme left positions over here.

Yep.  It sure would be nice to have a party as far left as their conservative party here.


LOLWUT

"....the Conservative Party has managed to attract votes amid pledges to increase the availability of private health care and cut taxes on assets over $140,000."

I'm sure you guys would be falling all over yourselves to back this platform.
 
2013-09-12 08:24:35 AM  

TheCruxOfTheBiscuitIsTheApostrophe: Alphax: TuteTibiImperes: First Australia and now Norway, what the hell is up with conservatives suddenly gaining power overseas?  Is it just knee-jerk reactionism due to the global economic woes, people thinking that anything different is automatically better?

Still, it's telling that Norwegian conservatives still believe in universal health care, free college education, and a strong elder care commitment.  Those would be extreme left positions over here.

Yep.  It sure would be nice to have a party as far left as their conservative party here.

LOLWUT

"....the Conservative Party has managed to attract votes amid pledges to increase the availability of private health care and cut taxes on assets over $140,000."

I'm sure you guys would be falling all over yourselves to back this platform.


Cut taxes down to 50%?  I can live with that.
 
2013-09-12 08:25:50 AM  

unyon: I'll leave when you pry the duct tape from my cold, dead, hands.

[mrwriteon.files.wordpress.com image 310x310]


Came for this. Leaving satisfied

/if she don't find you handsome, at least she can find you handy
 
2013-09-12 08:29:23 AM  

TheCruxOfTheBiscuitIsTheApostrophe: Alphax: TuteTibiImperes: First Australia and now Norway, what the hell is up with conservatives suddenly gaining power overseas?  Is it just knee-jerk reactionism due to the global economic woes, people thinking that anything different is automatically better?

Still, it's telling that Norwegian conservatives still believe in universal health care, free college education, and a strong elder care commitment.  Those would be extreme left positions over here.

Yep.  It sure would be nice to have a party as far left as their conservative party here.

LOLWUT

"....the Conservative Party has managed to attract votes amid pledges to increase the availability of private health care and cut taxes on assets over $140,000."

I'm sure you guys would be falling all over yourselves to back this platform.


I love watching arguments between ignorant Americans who think similar political labels in other countries mean the same things they mean here.
 
2013-09-12 08:37:40 AM  
Why does everyone act as if wanting to put some limits on immigration is the same as being a racist?
 
2013-09-12 08:38:32 AM  
If Norway has been allowing a Canadian to rule their country, I'd say it's about time they voted him out and I really don't understand the Red Green reference.
 
2013-09-12 08:42:12 AM  
CokeBear:  They also have a 25% sales tax on everything. And oil revenues that all go to the state to reduce the tax rates everyone would otherwise have to pay.

No--The oil revenues all go into the oil fund, where the money is saved for a rainy day.

The conservatives want to slightly increase the percentage of the oil fund that the government is allowed to spend--raising it from 4% maybe all the way up to 6%.  Norway will continue to save to vast majority of its oil revenues.
 
2013-09-12 08:53:21 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Demographics: 4 million people, almost all of them old and white. It's a Floridian Retirement Community.


...so why aren't the y behaving like one and voting Tea Party?
 
2013-09-12 08:54:22 AM  

Rambino: CokeBear:  They also have a 25% sales tax on everything. And oil revenues that all go to the state to reduce the tax rates everyone would otherwise have to pay.

No--The oil revenues all go into the oil fund, where the money is saved for a rainy day.

The conservatives want to slightly increase the percentage of the oil fund that the government is allowed to spend--raising it from 4% maybe all the way up to 6%.  Norway will continue to save to vast majority of its oil revenues.


To add to your post, not everything has the 25% VAT on it.  Food is somewhere around half that (tho still expensive because of corporate monopoly) and I seem to recall that books and learning materials have no tax at all.
 
2013-09-12 09:06:49 AM  
Zeb Hesselgresser:

Demographics:  4 million people, almost all of them old and white. It's a Floridian Retirement Community.

Actually, 5 million people, and 13%+ are immigrants or children of immigrants.

And unlike Florida, there aren't many Jews in Norway (they were prohibited by law from entering the Kingdom until fairly recently), but mostly atheists instead.
 
2013-09-12 09:25:11 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Zeb Hesselgresser: Demographics: 4 million people, almost all of them old and white. It's a Floridian Retirement Community.

...so why aren't the y behaving like one and voting Tea Party?


Florida old people often come from the Northeast and have a heavy number of Jews. It's the Arizona Retirement Communities that are full of Teaists.

Also -- not all European nationalist right wing parties are created equal.

Relatively harmless: Norway (FrP), Denmark (I forgot their name sadly)
full of uncles who're sending you "FW: FW: FW:" stuff: Netherlands (whatever Geert Wilders and his crew call themselves now), Belgium (VB - they hate Walloons way more than brown people), UKIP, Republilkaner (Germany), National Front (France)
Laughable neo-Nazis due to a lack of votes: BNP, NDP (Germany)
Scary neo-Nazis due to actually getting a decent share of votes: Jobbik (Hungary), ATAKA (Bulgaria), and Golden Dawn (Greece)

OK, you might quibble about where to put each party. But my point is that not all nationalist-right parties are created equal. I'd put the Tea Party (at least the majority that were Republicans before this and didn't really change a thing in their voting behavior) in the level of "full of uncles who're sending you FW: FW: FW: stuff."
 /wrote all that from memory, I did
 
2013-09-12 11:16:23 AM  
cman: Only a select few Americans could understand this headline.

I am one of those

/Not too many people watch PBS


While that may be true, I think it's a safe bet that Red Green was the one show on PBS that had the very highest PBS viewership of rednecks.

I used to work with some interesting redneck IT types - a DBA who made videos on how to build .50 cal sniper rifles, for one, and we would sit at lunchtime and watch Red Green tapes on the big screens in the video conference room.  (That DBA and I went to see 'Duct Tape Forever' in the theater in Baltimore; he was actually a great guy.)

/also: 'Select Few'?!?  Have you ever SEEN one of their fundraisers on PBS?  The turnout was Phenomenal!
 
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