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(Slate)   Wonder how the Internet stayed up on 9/11? Thank this guy, whose algorithms made it much more efficient at massive data. Also, he single-handedly tried to stop the hijackers before Flight 11 hit the North Tower, thus became the very first 9/11 victim   (slate.com) divider line 138
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2013-09-11 09:18:57 PM  
wow
 
2013-09-11 09:20:31 PM  
This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".
 
2013-09-11 09:22:18 PM  
I'm pissed that a former IDF member didn't knock the requisite heads. Would have made for an inspiring story if he'd taken out at least one with his hands.
C'mon! Like, isn't that the average IDF guy's wet dream? On a plane full of terrorists and no holds barred?
 
2013-09-11 09:23:08 PM  
Random CSB:  9/11 was what made me a regular fark member.  I had visited a few times, but all the major news sites actually went down on 9/11 so I turned to Fark, and got the best up to the minute information from here.  So.. thanks Fark!

/Although I honestly dont think Fark would survive another event like 9/11, it alreayd dies during things like elections and exciting manhunts
 
2013-09-11 09:23:28 PM  

super_grass: This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".


Well done!
 
2013-09-11 09:23:59 PM  
the most interesting man in the world?
 
2013-09-11 09:24:14 PM  

super_grass: This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".


Ok, where shall I pick you up?  Plenty of work around here you can do.  I promise to feed you and beat you rarely.
 
2013-09-11 09:26:26 PM  
Salute, Mr. Danny Lewin
 
2013-09-11 09:26:29 PM  

Alonjar: Random CSB:  9/11 was what made me a regular fark member.  I had visited a few times, but all the major news sites actually went down on 9/11 so I turned to Fark, and got the best up to the minute information from here.  So.. thanks Fark!

/Although I honestly dont think Fark would survive another event like 9/11, it alreayd dies during things like elections and exciting manhunts


Somebody posted in another thread a link to that day.After 300 posts ,Drew and others were pleading to go to the next thread.
 
2013-09-11 09:26:37 PM  
the two mathematicians had taken a complex set of algorithms, patented them, and created Akamai, a company that still today uses its intelligent software to deliver content quickly and efficiently on the Internet.

Well, someONE sure got rich.

"He was the first victim of the first war of the 21st century," says myopic and Amero-centric Marco Greenberg, Lewin's best friend.
 
2013-09-11 09:27:17 PM  

super_grass: This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".


That's some weapons grade derp right there.
 
2013-09-11 09:27:19 PM  
www.vfwpost404.org
 
2013-09-11 09:27:36 PM  
That story is horrible and sad.  Look at what an ass-kicker this guy was, and he still got snuffed by being in the wrong place.  Depressing.
 
2013-09-11 09:33:24 PM  

Whiskey Dickens: I'm pissed that a former IDF member didn't knock the requisite heads. Would have made for an inspiring story if he'd taken out at least one with his hands.
C'mon! Like, isn't that the average IDF guy's wet dream? On a plane full of terrorists and no holds barred?


Well, I could take the conspiracy theory derp up to 11 and say that the Israel Defense Force caused the plane to crash into the tower and this guy really wasn't killed until it hit the tower because he was part of the Israeli conspiracy to cause 9/11/
 
2013-09-11 09:33:39 PM  
Wow, never heard this story. Hope it also shuts up the 'why didn't more fight back' crowd.

/hopes she goes down swinging
 
2013-09-11 09:35:04 PM  

Carn: I promise to feed you and beat you rarely.


Yeah, uhm, like, where would the parentheses be if that were a mathematical statement?
 
2013-09-11 09:35:11 PM  

super_grass: fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".


8/10, but you failed to stick the landing
 
2013-09-11 09:36:10 PM  

Lady Indica: Wow, never heard this story. Hope it also shuts up the 'why didn't more fight back' crowd.

/hopes she goes down swinging


How does it shut them up?  One guy stood up to fight, while he was distracted kicking some hadji ass another one snuck up behind him and slit his throat.  If anything it makes the "Why didn't more fight back" crowd even angrier.
 
2013-09-11 09:36:55 PM  

super_grass: fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".


I was going to say something pithy suggesting maybe you should move to a country that shares your values but then I remembered that over the last 12 years or so, most Americans have come around to your way of thinking.

/depressed now.
//I wonder how difficult it would be to emigrate to Holland.
 
2013-09-11 09:36:57 PM  

super_grass: This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".


Living in fear and paranoia will show those terrorists they can't terrorize you.
 
2013-09-11 09:37:09 PM  
That was an interesting read. I'm glad I got to find out about this guy. Thanks for keeping FARK running that day, Sir. It was pretty much the only online news source that was working, even over on this side of the pond.

super_grass: This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".


...for someone with that opinion you have a hugely ironic username
 
2013-09-11 09:37:41 PM  
regardless of what any of the derpers have to say,i raise this can of ridiculed american beer owned by a not american company and salute you, mr brave ,smart ,and loyal person. im sorry you are not around anymore,this world needs you. and folks,i really mean this.
 
2013-09-11 09:37:54 PM  

super_grass: This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".


Not bad, but I'll raise.

No mention of his fourteen inch penis? The Mossad's propaganda wing is slipping.
 
2013-09-11 09:37:57 PM  
Sounds like a great guy. How do we know how he acted on that day though?
 
2013-09-11 09:40:35 PM  
I don't get it. Do all the internet's backbone cables run up and down the towers?

If so, that makes UUnet look pretty darn stupid to make one big fail point for the whole internet.

Or is it that the two towers housed the old NSA listening post, and that's why all the world's internet traffic had to go through them?
 
2013-09-11 09:41:32 PM  
Wasn't the first victim this guy?

cdn3.sbnation.com
 
2013-09-11 09:42:15 PM  

Snapper Carr: super_grass: fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".

I was going to say something pithy suggesting maybe you should move to a country that shares your values but then I remembered that over the last 12 years or so, most Americans have come around to your way of thinking.

/depressed now.
//I wonder how difficult it would be to emigrate to Holland.


Holland's full of jerks. I'd suggest Australia, nobody ever farks with them.

Or New Zealand, except it's full of hobbitses.
 
2013-09-11 09:42:21 PM  
Um, guys, I don't want to take anything away from the spectacular effort  super_grass is making here, but this was not a particularly subtle troll, that you so many of you should so quickly be biting so hard.
 
2013-09-11 09:43:05 PM  
its fark,i should expect this,who was i kidding?
 
2013-09-11 09:43:41 PM  

RogermcAllen: Lady Indica: Wow, never heard this story. Hope it also shuts up the 'why didn't more fight back' crowd.

/hopes she goes down swinging

How does it shut them up?  One guy stood up to fight, while he was distracted kicking some hadji ass another one snuck up behind him and slit his throat.  If anything it makes the "Why didn't more fight back" crowd even angrier.


Terrorists used to do hijackings a little differently, and the passengers and crew typically were left alive. Meanwhile, try telling the crotchbomber people don't fight back.
 
2013-09-11 09:44:51 PM  

super_grass: This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".


Well, you can die on your feet or on your knees. Since you've chosen the latter, while you're down there you can wash my floor.
 
2013-09-11 09:48:44 PM  
I suppose I'll get called out as a jackass about this, or told I am diminishing his legacy, but the article added no new information about his death and the 911 Commission Report concluded he was stabbed in his seat immediately as the muscle hijackers made their move.  They speculated it was because he looked like a physical threat, being a larger man. No one reported that he had confronted anyone.
Although he would have seen two hijackers two rows up he almost certainly not know it was a suicide hijacking and immediately decide to attack.  Especially since one of the two directly in front was Atta and on the other flights, the pilot hijacker alone or with a bodyguard sat until the cabin was under control.
 
2013-09-11 09:50:08 PM  
so America's super-CSI technicians are able to tell what actually happened to one specific person onboard one of the planes, yet to date, no one has been able to determine if it was a plane or a missile that hit the Pentagon.
 
2013-09-11 09:51:10 PM  

Carn: super_grass: This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".

Ok, where shall I pick you up?  Plenty of work around here you can do.  I promise to feed you and beat you rarely.


Don't forget the farm-theme fetish gear....
 
2013-09-11 09:51:21 PM  

semiotix: Um, guys, I don't want to take anything away from the spectacular effort  super_grass is making here, but this was not a particularly subtle troll, that you so many of you should so quickly be biting so hard.


You just can't handle how right he is. Prefer to think it's a troll.
 
2013-09-11 09:52:35 PM  
you know,terrorism has been around for centuries. i can only hope that at some point in time,the people who would commit these acts would realize that they arent really doing anything that would make people feel anything from their crimes but hatred for those who would commit them. perhaps that is their aim? doesnt really make any sense to me.im not likely to be sympathetic to people who kill innocent people in order to bring light to their issues. havent they figured that out yet? whatever desperation they think they have,killing innocent people will not make me sympathetic to them,it will only cause me to despise them.
 
2013-09-11 09:53:38 PM  

Lady Indica: Wow, never heard this story. Hope it also shuts up the 'why didn't more fight back' crowd.

/hopes she goes down swinging


Does anyone remember Tom Kean and his questions about why the plane was allowed to fly visual down the hudson river without anyone from Poughkeepsie, Dix, Coast Guard, DEA, etc getting up there and at least shadowing teh plane(s)?
 
2013-09-11 09:53:59 PM  

super_grass: This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".


www.maclife.com
 
2013-09-11 09:55:29 PM  
Since I was working at a local ISP in Westchester County, with all our bandwidth passing under the WTC, and having to route all bandwith through a few dialups out of Poughkeepsie...don't tell me the internet "stayed up".
 
2013-09-11 09:56:00 PM  
/O
 ()

i salute you sir.
 
2013-09-11 09:56:33 PM  

calbert: so America's super-CSI technicians are able to tell what actually happened to one specific person onboard one of the planes, yet to date, no one has been able to determine if it was a plane or a missile that hit the Pentagon.


It was a plane. They proved this by confiscating all camera footage and only showing what they wanted.

Now that everyone has a camera on them at all times, the NSA must have backdoored all the phones to make sure they can pull off that degree of coverup again.
 
2013-09-11 09:57:42 PM  
Ok, I admit I've only read the first few paragraphs of the article....hoping to find out where they got the sources from about this guy on the plane.

Since it's a long read can someone just tell me how the fark is his story even known? Did the hijackers communicate with someone on the ground? Someone found a singed but otherwise readable minute by minute journal at Ground Zero? A spiritual medium? What?

Confused.
 
2013-09-11 10:02:13 PM  
Only terrorists would doubt such an inspiring story. Why do you hate America?
 
2013-09-11 10:02:41 PM  

semiotix: this was not a particularly subtle troll


Seriously, WTF farkers are you all oxygen deprived or something?

SirEattonHogg: Wasn't the first victim this guy?


#1 the dude in the article was killed well before the plane hit
#2 the guy in the pic surfed down on an I-beam and only broke his collarbone
 
2013-09-11 10:03:01 PM  

GungFu: Ok, I admit I've only read the first few paragraphs of the article....hoping to find out where they got the sources from about this guy on the plane.

Since it's a long read can someone just tell me how the fark is his story even known? Did the hijackers communicate with someone on the ground? Someone found a singed but otherwise readable minute by minute journal at Ground Zero? A spiritual medium? What?

Confused.


In another article I read, the flight attendants from flight 11 made phone calls.  They stated the terrorists had killed the guy in 9D or something, which was his seat.
 
2013-09-11 10:03:47 PM  

GungFu: Ok, I admit I've only read the first few paragraphs of the article....hoping to find out where they got the sources from about this guy on the plane.

Since it's a long read can someone just tell me how the fark is his story even known? Did the hijackers communicate with someone on the ground? Someone found a singed but otherwise readable minute by minute journal at Ground Zero? A spiritual medium? What?

Confused.


People on the flights were on the phone with people on the ground.  Dozens according to TFA.
 
2013-09-11 10:04:28 PM  

Bacontastesgood: #2 the guy in the pic surfed down on an I-beam and only broke his collarbone


Whew, I was worried there for a second.
 
2013-09-11 10:05:15 PM  

super_grass: This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".


Fark needs "whack a troll" threads, where everyone tries to troll and the mods try to remove their posts before a set time limit (30 seconds or so). After the 30 second mark, the comments are forever enshrined in the thread. Scorekeeping would simply be a matter of tallying up the successful troll comments, and comparing them to the number of successful troll removals. Winner could be farker or mod.
 
2013-09-11 10:05:22 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: People on the flights were on the phone with people on the ground. Dozens according to TFA.


Unusually kind of the blood thirsty blade wielding murderers, but we mustn't let it shake our resolve.
 
2013-09-11 10:06:47 PM  

GungFu: Ok, I admit I've only read the first few paragraphs of the article....hoping to find out where they got the sources from about this guy on the plane.

Since it's a long read can someone just tell me how the fark is his story even known? Did the hijackers communicate with someone on the ground? Someone found a singed but otherwise readable minute by minute journal at Ground Zero? A spiritual medium? What?

Confused.


TFA: "Based on dozens of interviews with those who spoke with two of the plane's flight attendants during the hijacking...
 
2013-09-11 10:07:27 PM  

DeadGeek: Fark needs "whack a troll" threads, where everyone tries to troll and the mods try to remove their posts before a set time limit (30 seconds or so). After the 30 second mark, the comments are forever enshrined in the thread.


POOP THREAD!
 
2013-09-11 10:07:52 PM  
Interesting how they just know what happened on a flight where everyone died and the 'black' boxes weren't (officially) recovered and the last radio contact that happened at 8:13 am was routine.

Come on people, you're being bullshiatted. One way or another someone is lying somewhere.
 
2013-09-11 10:08:14 PM  

super_grass: This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".


You've just been banned from New Hampshire...sorry.
 
2013-09-11 10:08:30 PM  

Flint Ironstag: GungFu: Ok, I admit I've only read the first few paragraphs of the article....hoping to find out where they got the sources from about this guy on the plane.

Since it's a long read can someone just tell me how the fark is his story even known? Did the hijackers communicate with someone on the ground? Someone found a singed but otherwise readable minute by minute journal at Ground Zero? A spiritual medium? What?

Confused.

TFA: "Based on dozens of interviews with those who spoke with two of the plane's flight attendants during the hijacking...


The flight attendants survived the crash?

Still confused.
 
2013-09-11 10:10:38 PM  

Lady Indica: Wow, never heard this story. Hope it also shuts up the 'why didn't more fight back' crowd.


That peaked with Virginia Tech, I think, where you had fairly big-name pundits floating the idea that the shooter was a deranged madman, but the REAL criminals were the pampered students who, when they heard gunfire, failed to spontaneously pour out in to the hallways, forming flying wedges and trying to crush the shooter under the weight of their dead bodies.

Compare that with Fort Hood, where most of the "fight back" crowd directed their anger at the seekrit commie mooslim president who was single-handedly responsible for the policy that meant every file clerk and swimming instructor on the base didn't have an M60 slung over their backs.

Or Aurora, where they blamed the theater's no-weapons policy, but mostly talked amongst themselves about the interesting tactical challenges of taking down an armored shooter using gas grenades in a noisy and crowded theater. (Consensus: they'd all still have put a bullet square between his eyes inside of three seconds.)

I kept waiting for the Breitbart.com article about how those little snots at Newtown should have grabbed that shooter's ankles, instead of hiding in closets like cowards, but it never came. Well, there were a few posts along the lines of "whoa, what's with all this fuss over the dead teacher who shielded her kids with her body? If she really loved them, she'd have been packing!" But that was about it.

I'm sorry to say the joy of Monday morning quarterbacking mass tragedies seems to have gone away for a lot of these guys. If you ask me, it was killing bin Laden that really spoiled it. Now how are they supposed to say what they'd have done to him if they ran into him in the Piggly Wiggly parking lot?
 
2013-09-11 10:11:46 PM  

GungFu: Ok, I admit I've only read the first few paragraphs of the article....hoping to find out where they got the sources from about this guy on the plane.

Since it's a long read can someone just tell me how the fark is his story even known? Did the hijackers communicate with someone on the ground? Someone found a singed but otherwise readable minute by minute journal at Ground Zero? A spiritual medium? What?

Confused.


Resurrection gauntlet.

cdn.static.ovimg.com
 
2013-09-11 10:13:31 PM  
FTA: "Likely happened" <---says it all.
 
2013-09-11 10:18:11 PM  
What are the odds hijackers try to take over a plane like this again? I can't imagine anyone sitting quietly during a hijacking if they think it's going to be used as a missile instead of ransom demand.
 
2013-09-11 10:18:13 PM  

GungFu: TFA: "Based on dozens of interviews with those who spoke with two of the plane's flight attendants during the hijacking...

The flight attendants survived the crash?

Still confused.


There were people on the ground. Those people were in radio communication with two flight attendants during the hijacking. The attendants are dead. The people on the ground are not. The people who are not dead can be interviewed. At that point, they will talk about what they recall of their conversations with the people who are dead.

/Not sure if trolling or illiterate
 
2013-09-11 10:24:46 PM  

Goimir: Lady Indica: Wow, never heard this story. Hope it also shuts up the 'why didn't more fight back' crowd.

/hopes she goes down swinging

Does anyone remember Tom Kean and his questions about why the plane was allowed to fly visual down the hudson river without anyone from Poughkeepsie, Dix, Coast Guard, DEA, etc getting up there and at least shadowing teh plane(s)?


I was driving down Route 9 that morning and thought it was more than a little odd...
 
2013-09-11 10:24:50 PM  

bearcats1983: What are the odds hijackers try to take over a plane like this again? I can't imagine anyone sitting quietly during a hijacking if they think it's going to be used as a missile instead of ransom demand.


People have already shown that they won't sit calmly anymore if something happens on a plane. How many stories have there been about some drunk / crazy person losing it on a flight and passengers have taken the matter into their own hands. Plenty.
 
2013-09-11 10:25:37 PM  

ArcadianRefugee [TotalFark]
2013-09-11 09:26:37 PM


the two mathematicians had taken a complex set of algorithms, patented them, and created Akamai, a company that still today uses its intelligent software to deliver content quickly and efficiently on the Internet.

Well, someONE sure got rich.

"He was the first victim of the first war of the 21st century," says myopic and Amero-centric Marco Greenberg, Lewin's best friend.

He was a Jew, so according to FARK rules you can hate him and fit in just fine w/ the staff here.
 
2013-09-11 10:26:57 PM  

super_grass: This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".


They were warned about 9/11. They were warned about Boston. These unconstitutional surveillance programs do nothing to keep you safer when they ignore the intel anyway.

2/10 Troll harder.
 
2013-09-11 10:28:03 PM  
Fine, I'll be "that guy". It really is heroic to attempt to thwart the hijacking, but if he was so elite and an actual counterterrorism type of elite then why did he fail? Maybe more importantly, why the hell didn't everyone on board that plane gang rush? It may have been futile like United 98, but at least they would have tried.
 
2013-09-11 10:28:55 PM  

Bacontastesgood: semiotix: this was not a particularly subtle troll

Seriously, WTF farkers are you all oxygen deprived or something?

SirEattonHogg: Wasn't the first victim this guy?

#1 the dude in the article was killed well before the plane hit
#2 the guy in the pic surfed down on an I-beam and only broke his collarbone


No kidding, I never knew that, that is so cool...Hey wait a second, how'd the photographer survive?
 
2013-09-11 10:32:06 PM  

Whiskey Dickens: I'm pissed that a former IDF member didn't knock the requisite heads. Would have made for an inspiring story if he'd taken out at least one with his hands.
C'mon! Like, isn't that the average IDF guy's wet dream? On a plane full of terrorists and no holds barred?


Two of my really good friends are ex IDF.  I have seen one literally explain to 7 guys who wanted to kick his ass(because he floored a guy for grabbing his girls tits) that he did not want to fight them he would rather buy them a drink and all be friends, because if they were going to try and fight them his words were "look guys, i am a lover not  a fighter, i also am a krav maga instructor and an Jewish version of Rambo, so if this does go down, someone is probably going to die, and at leat three of you are going to lose an eye and a couple of fingers, on the Ghaza we call that tuesday."  He said that in spanish in Colombia to some young toughs, his eyes were so dead they just left.
 
2013-09-11 10:33:49 PM  

ProfessorOhki: GungFu: TFA: "Based on dozens of interviews with those who spoke with two of the plane's flight attendants during the hijacking...

The flight attendants survived the crash?

Still confused.

There were people on the ground. Those people were in radio communication with two flight attendants during the hijacking. The attendants are dead. The people on the ground are not. The people who are not dead can be interviewed. At that point, they will talk about what they recall of their conversations with the people who are dead.

/Not sure if trolling or illiterate


Not thinking straight, most likely. It's 3.30am in the UK.

Anyway, I just can't get over the fact that people in the air spoke to people on the ground - and that two air attendants talked about a guy whom they know by name, telling people that he gets killed etc - all the while during a hijacking.

Not trolling, but that's some major bullshiat odour over that story.
 
2013-09-11 10:34:34 PM  

super_grass: fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free"


How's the steak?
www.taopractice.org
 
2013-09-11 10:37:51 PM  

bearcats1983: What are the odds hijackers try to take over a plane like this again?


It can't possibly happen now because no hijacker would be able to sneak a large container of mouthwash past security.

Seriously, tho, flight 93, for example, had 33 passengers out of 182 (not counting the 4 evil bastids).  The hijackers had studied flights and deliberately picked ones they expected to be near empty.  When's the last time you were on such a flight?  When's the last time you had so much as a frickin empty seat anywhere near you on a plane?  If the flight will even be half full the airline cancels it and makes up a bullshiat excuse, unless they desperately need that plane at the destination later.
 
2013-09-11 10:37:57 PM  

GungFu: ProfessorOhki: GungFu: TFA: "Based on dozens of interviews with those who spoke with two of the plane's flight attendants during the hijacking...

The flight attendants survived the crash?

Still confused.

There were people on the ground. Those people were in radio communication with two flight attendants during the hijacking. The attendants are dead. The people on the ground are not. The people who are not dead can be interviewed. At that point, they will talk about what they recall of their conversations with the people who are dead.

/Not sure if trolling or illiterate

Not thinking straight, most likely. It's 3.30am in the UK.

Anyway, I just can't get over the fact that people in the air spoke to people on the ground - and that two air attendants talked about a guy whom they know by name, telling people that he gets killed etc - all the while during a hijacking.

Not trolling, but that's some major bullshiat odour over that story.


Yes, well ...

Many of the passengers used their cell phones during the hijacking. This was in clear violation of FAA regulations! Then, those airplanes crashed. Now, I'm not saying that the cell phone interference caused the crashes, but there is a heck of a correlation here! I'm just asking questions!


/Probably should have created an alt for that. Oh well.
 
2013-09-11 10:38:05 PM  

DeadGeek: super_grass: This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".

Fark needs "whack a troll" threads, where everyone tries to troll and the mods try to remove their posts before a set time limit (30 seconds or so). After the 30 second mark, the comments are forever enshrined in the thread. Scorekeeping would simply be a matter of tallying up the successful troll comments, and comparing them to the number of successful troll removals. Winner could be farker or mod.


The house always wins.
 
2013-09-11 10:39:22 PM  

ParagonComplex: Fine, I'll be "that guy". It really is heroic to attempt to thwart the hijacking, but if he was so elite and an actual counterterrorism type of elite then why did he fail? Maybe more importantly, why the hell didn't everyone on board that plane gang rush? It may have been futile like United 98, but at least they would have tried.


Odds are it was government narrative, a myth, a legend, an emotional manipulation and an intentional leak.  I would find it difficult to believe that a man of such training could be killed by a guy with no where near the hand-to-hand skills armed with a box cutter. The writer of the first memo probably realized this and that's why that story has a gun. But the gun was troublesome in other respects so then they had to back track to being stabbed. That jives with the 'someone in business class was stabbed' statement over the airphone.

Then the question is, why weren't he or others fighting back? Unaware until it was too late? Following standard procedure to have the hijackers land and make demands? Waiting for the right time to strike at the hijackers and not expecting them to crash the plane?

We've had a dozen of years of government made up stories of heroic actions now. It's hard to believe anything that institution spews out in that vein now.
 
2013-09-11 10:39:48 PM  

Carn: super_grass: This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".

Ok, where shall I pick you up?  Plenty of work around here you can do.  I promise to feed you and beat you rarely.


Might be able to fark her too.
 
2013-09-11 10:39:54 PM  

leadmetal: Interesting how they just know what happened on a flight where everyone died and the 'black' boxes weren't (officially) recovered and the last radio contact that happened at 8:13 am was routine.

Come on people, you're being bullshiatted. One way or another someone is lying somewhere.


I don't want to believe the derp conspiracy theories out there, but how can you place a cell phone call in the air? I leave my phone on for take off sometimes and always lose cellular connection after getting to a decent altitude.
 
2013-09-11 10:42:02 PM  

cybrwzrd: I don't want to believe the derp conspiracy theories out there


Not wanting to is the only way to ignore the facts. You must continue not wanting to. For America.
 
2013-09-11 10:43:44 PM  

GungFu: ProfessorOhki: GungFu: TFA: "Based on dozens of interviews with those who spoke with two of the plane's flight attendants during the hijacking...

The flight attendants survived the crash?

Still confused.

There were people on the ground. Those people were in radio communication with two flight attendants during the hijacking. The attendants are dead. The people on the ground are not. The people who are not dead can be interviewed. At that point, they will talk about what they recall of their conversations with the people who are dead.

/Not sure if trolling or illiterate

Not thinking straight, most likely. It's 3.30am in the UK.

Anyway, I just can't get over the fact that people in the air spoke to people on the ground - and that two air attendants talked about a guy whom they know by name, telling people that he gets killed etc - all the while during a hijacking.

Not trolling, but that's some major bullshiat odour over that story.


Well, it was (from the articles timeline) about 30 minutes from the hijacking to the impact. "They killed the guy in seat X," doesn't seem that unbelievable to me. This sounds more reasonable though:

Old Man Winter: I suppose I'll get called out as a jackass about this, or told I am diminishing his legacy, but the article added no new information about his death and the 911 Commission Report concluded he was stabbed in his seat immediately as the muscle hijackers made their move.  They speculated it was because he looked like a physical threat, being a larger man. No one reported that he had confronted anyone

 
2013-09-11 10:45:31 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: cybrwzrd: I don't want to believe the derp conspiracy theories out there

Not wanting to is the only way to ignore the facts. You must continue not wanting to. For America.


The derpy conspiracy theories make even less sense. Maybe the truth is somewhere in between.

It is interesting how this precluded so many power grabs by the government and the handoff of power to big business.
 
2013-09-11 10:47:05 PM  

ParagonComplex: Fine, I'll be "that guy". It really is heroic to attempt to thwart the hijacking, but if he was so elite and an actual counterterrorism type of elite then why did he fail? Maybe more importantly, why the hell didn't everyone on board that plane gang rush? It may have been futile like United 98, but at least they would have tried.


It's not like the passengers knew for certain they were all going to die. Maybe if this all happened again it would end differently, but up until that point hijackers were typically trying to flee the country, not kill people or blow up buildings.
 
2013-09-11 10:48:08 PM  

cybrwzrd: Maybe the truth is somewhere in between.


It always is.
 
2013-09-11 10:49:11 PM  

cybrwzrd: leadmetal: Interesting how they just know what happened on a flight where everyone died and the 'black' boxes weren't (officially) recovered and the last radio contact that happened at 8:13 am was routine.

Come on people, you're being bullshiatted. One way or another someone is lying somewhere.

I don't want to believe the derp conspiracy theories out there, but how can you place a cell phone call in the air? I leave my phone on for take off sometimes and always lose cellular connection after getting to a decent altitude.


I think you just answered your own question.
 
2013-09-11 10:54:59 PM  

ProfessorOhki: GungFu: ProfessorOhki: GungFu: TFA: "Based on dozens of interviews with those who spoke with two of the plane's flight attendants during the hijacking...

The flight attendants survived the crash?

Still confused.

There were people on the ground. Those people were in radio communication with two flight attendants during the hijacking. The attendants are dead. The people on the ground are not. The people who are not dead can be interviewed. At that point, they will talk about what they recall of their conversations with the people who are dead.

/Not sure if trolling or illiterate

Not thinking straight, most likely. It's 3.30am in the UK.

Anyway, I just can't get over the fact that people in the air spoke to people on the ground - and that two air attendants talked about a guy whom they know by name, telling people that he gets killed etc - all the while during a hijacking.

Not trolling, but that's some major bullshiat odour over that story.

Well, it was (from the articles timeline) about 30 minutes from the hijacking to the impact. "They killed the guy in seat X," doesn't seem that unbelievable to me. This sounds more reasonable though:

Old Man Winter: I suppose I'll get called out as a jackass about this, or told I am diminishing his legacy, but the article added no new information about his death and the 911 Commission Report concluded he was stabbed in his seat immediately as the muscle hijackers made their move.  They speculated it was because he looked like a physical threat, being a larger man. No one reported that he had confronted anyone



That I can appreciate...but the guy's name? Not so much.

And as someone has said...people used mobile phones whilst in the air...surely it would have been those accounts that gives the story further validity. Was there any of that nature? Again, I didn't read that in the few paragraphs I read of the article.
 
2013-09-11 10:57:30 PM  

tonguedepressor: No kidding, I never knew that, that is so cool...Hey wait a second, how'd the photographer survive?


It was a selfie.  He sat his camera down on an a/c intake.  It was film though, not digital like people say.  Nikon F5 loaded with Agfa 400, F8 at 1/1000.   You can tell by the date back and the grain.

The sad part is Heywood got food poisoning from a deli on 63rd street and died 3 weeks later.  That's why most people don't know the truth.
 
2013-09-11 10:57:51 PM  

cybrwzrd: leadmetal: Interesting how they just know what happened on a flight where everyone died and the 'black' boxes weren't (officially) recovered and the last radio contact that happened at 8:13 am was routine.

Come on people, you're being bullshiatted. One way or another someone is lying somewhere.

I don't want to believe the derp conspiracy theories out there, but how can you place a cell phone call in the air? I leave my phone on for take off sometimes and always lose cellular connection after getting to a decent altitude.


The problem for me is that so many aspects of the official story are obvious lies or just pulled out of some bureaucrat's ass. The cell phone thing never made any sense. They just won't work as far as I know. The vertical distance to the cell tower alone is too far. At that time I was in cellular handset development and the only thing with that kind of range were car kits. They were still made back then for people who drove into the middle of nowhere.

The narrative we are reading about today was probably made up and intentionally leaked. When obvious problems with being shot etc showed it was massaged to jive with airphone conversations with one of the flight attendants. Basically it's a made up story altered to fix a few pieces of hearsay testimony.
 
2013-09-11 11:04:12 PM  

Alonjar: wow

 
2013-09-11 11:07:15 PM  
Wow; the fish he caught was |--this--| big when the morning radio gas bags were telling the tale, and |-------------thiiiiiiiiis------------| big when the afternoon radio gas bags were breaking out the extra heavy dead horse beating sticks. By tomorrow morning this guy will have choked out 7 terrorists with his woven nutsack hair before being narrowly bested in single combat with an ex IDF trained fighting bear.
 
2013-09-11 11:07:47 PM  

sno man: super_grass: fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free"

How's the steak?
[www.taopractice.org image 444x217]


chicolockersausage.files.wordpress.com

This is now officially a steak thread.

and just to incite some tension...
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-09-11 11:08:02 PM  

leadmetal: cybrwzrd: leadmetal: Interesting how they just know what happened on a flight where everyone died and the 'black' boxes weren't (officially) recovered and the last radio contact that happened at 8:13 am was routine.

Come on people, you're being bullshiatted. One way or another someone is lying somewhere.

I don't want to believe the derp conspiracy theories out there, but how can you place a cell phone call in the air? I leave my phone on for take off sometimes and always lose cellular connection after getting to a decent altitude.

The problem for me is that so many aspects of the official story are obvious lies or just pulled out of some bureaucrat's ass. The cell phone thing never made any sense. They just won't work as far as I know. The vertical distance to the cell tower alone is too far. At that time I was in cellular handset development and the only thing with that kind of range were car kits. They were still made back then for people who drove into the middle of nowhere.

The narrative we are reading about today was probably made up and intentionally leaked. When obvious problems with being shot etc showed it was massaged to jive with airphone conversations with one of the flight attendants. Basically it's a made up story altered to fix a few pieces of hearsay testimony.


It seems that when everything is perfect range can be significantly better than I recall. (wasn't the part I was working in so my memory has failed me)  Perhaps if everything is just right a call might go through but given the speed of the aircraft it wouldn't take long to be out of range of a tower.
 
2013-09-11 11:08:38 PM  

leadmetal: The cell phone thing never made any sense.


Most of the calls were airphones, you know, the old swipe the credit card things.  Cell phones indeed work, just not well, and the telecoms hate it when people use them from the air because they'll connect to multiple towers and confuse shiat, or at least in 2001 that was the case.

But yeah, you're probably right, it's a massive conspiracy involving every single person who was called agreeing to lie about someone calling them and saying stuff, who in some cases was the person they loved most in the world and had just died.  That totally is more plausible than some people using existing technology to find out what the fark is going on or say goodbye.
 
2013-09-11 11:11:23 PM  

GungFu: ProfessorOhki: GungFu: TFA: "Based on dozens of interviews with those who spoke with two of the plane's flight attendants during the hijacking...

The flight attendants survived the crash?

Still confused.

There were people on the ground. Those people were in radio communication with two flight attendants during the hijacking. The attendants are dead. The people on the ground are not. The people who are not dead can be interviewed. At that point, they will talk about what they recall of their conversations with the people who are dead.

/Not sure if trolling or illiterate

Not thinking straight, most likely. It's 3.30am in the UK.

Anyway, I just can't get over the fact that people in the air spoke to people on the ground - and that two air attendants talked about a guy whom they know by name, telling people that he gets killed etc - all the while during a hijacking.

Not trolling, but that's some major bullshiat odour over that story.


They have these things, called passenger manifests.  The attendants on the calls (which were recorded I believe) stated they had killed the person in that guys particular seat.
 
2013-09-11 11:13:52 PM  

Alonjar: and just to incite some tension...


I take a bite, and if it's just meh I have no problem A1ing it.  Hell, I'll use BBQ sauce sometimes if it's real crap.  But if it's a perfectly done filet, it's pretty farked up to put anything on it, let's be honest here.
 
2013-09-11 11:14:55 PM  

Whiskey Dickens: C'mon! Like, isn't that the average IDF guy's wet dream? On a plane full of terrorists and no holds barred?


Yeah, until someone comes up from behind and stabs you in the neck with a box cutter....
 
2013-09-11 11:15:53 PM  

Carn: super_grass: This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".

Ok, where shall I pick you up?  Plenty of work around here you can do.  I promise to feed you and beat you rarely.


Shoot, and I like my slaves well done....

What?
 
2013-09-11 11:17:09 PM  
I checked this thread just to make sure everything seemed kosher (heheh) before I related the story to my husband. Funny thing is that I said "Well he did X for the internet", but I mispronounced the company name. He corrected me.

So yeah, apparently what Akamai did was a big deal. Good to know.
 
2013-09-11 11:27:30 PM  

GungFu: I just can't get over the fact that people in the air spoke to people on the ground


Since you claim to be not trolling: picture three dudes with, at most, a small razor knife clustered around the cockpit.  The other guy is inside flying them to their deaths.  Their job is to keep anyone out of the cockpit, and they are outnumbered even on these thinly seated flights 10:1.  They're gonna go to the crowd at the back of the plane and start policing people on phones, who are already deeply suspicious?   No way.  What are the people on the phone gonna do, call the police?  The military?  The plane will be crashed and they will be farking their virgins by then.

Go to bed.
 
2013-09-11 11:30:13 PM  
cache1.asset-cache.net
 
2013-09-11 11:32:40 PM  

Aidan: I checked this thread just to make sure everything seemed kosher (heheh) before I related the story to my husband. Funny thing is that I said "Well he did X for the internet", but I mispronounced the company name. He corrected me.

So yeah, apparently what Akamai did was a big deal. Good to know.


Actually what Akamia did was "smart" (cause that's what that word means.
 
2013-09-11 11:35:26 PM  
TFA: his father, Charles, had become an ardent Zionist and relocated his family to "make aliyah,"

cdn.cnwimg.com

I knew the Jews were behind her death.
 
2013-09-11 11:42:50 PM  

Bacontastesgood: I take a bite, and if it's just meh I have no problem A1ing it.  Hell, I'll use BBQ sauce sometimes if it's real crap.  But if it's a perfectly done filet, it's pretty farked up to put anything on it, let's be honest here.


I smoked some hamburgers once for several hours over hickory wood.  They were so damn good not a single person applied a topping or condiment.  Id recommend it if you ever have a chance... just pack it real good or it'll fall apart.

/Only talking about hamburgers because I have those in the fridge... no steak.... :/
 
2013-09-11 11:43:18 PM  

super_grass: This is why scum like Manning, Assange, Snowden, and their supporters need to be ridiculed as much as possible. Imagine how many more 9/11s will happen if they got their way and we dismantled our defenses against terrorism?

fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".


Why not both, patriot?
 
2013-09-12 12:04:12 AM  
Holy shiat. I knew the first guy killed on 9/11 was a former IDF commando trying to handle the situation, but I had no idea he was also an Akamai co-founder. He's like a real-life Forrest Gump. Where wasn't he?
 
2013-09-12 12:04:59 AM  
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a box-cutter is...nothing, if there's another one behind you. :-(
 
2013-09-12 12:07:40 AM  

leadmetal: ParagonComplex: Fine, I'll be "that guy". It really is heroic to attempt to thwart the hijacking, but if he was so elite and an actual counterterrorism type of elite then why did he fail? Maybe more importantly, why the hell didn't everyone on board that plane gang rush? It may have been futile like United 98, but at least they would have tried.

Odds are it was government narrative, a myth, a legend, an emotional manipulation and an intentional leak.  I would find it difficult to believe that a man of such training could be killed by a guy with no where near the hand-to-hand skills armed with a box cutter. The writer of the first memo probably realized this and that's why that story has a gun. But the gun was troublesome in other respects so then they had to back track to being stabbed. That jives with the 'someone in business class was stabbed' statement over the airphone.

Then the question is, why weren't he or others fighting back? Unaware until it was too late? Following standard procedure to have the hijackers land and make demands? Waiting for the right time to strike at the hijackers and not expecting them to crash the plane?

We've had a dozen of years of government made up stories of heroic actions now. It's hard to believe anything that institution spews out in that vein now.


Wow, you're trying way too hard.
1/10

/I haven't read past your post but I hope the only bites you got for your troll was a rude request that you not be lazy and Google the story.
 
2013-09-12 12:23:32 AM  

MrEricSir: It's not like the passengers knew for certain they were all going to die. Maybe if this all happened again it would end differently, but up until that point hijackers were typically trying to flee the country, not kill people or blow up buildings.


Yeah, you're right. Sort of sad that when 'fight or flight' kicked in they presumabely just decided for 'flight'.
 
2013-09-12 12:35:35 AM  

Bacontastesgood: leadmetal: The cell phone thing never made any sense.

Most of the calls were airphones, you know, the old swipe the credit card things.  Cell phones indeed work, just not well, and the telecoms hate it when people use them from the air because they'll connect to multiple towers and confuse shiat, or at least in 2001 that was the case.

But yeah, you're probably right, it's a massive conspiracy involving every single person who was called agreeing to lie about someone calling them and saying stuff, who in some cases was the person they loved most in the world and had just died.  That totally is more plausible than some people using existing technology to find out what the fark is going on or say goodbye.


It's funny how you ignored my mention of the airphone call and then you go into greater ridicule.

As to cell phones working, over a populated area they are going to be handing off very fast and I mentioned no sort of conspiracy regarding cell phones.  But that of course is your distraction off the point I made. All I stated was that government types make up shiat, no great conspiracy. Just that political types lie.

That is they lie to the people for political reasons. Why is it that some events suddenly make these lying arseholes who are in politics honest and saintly? They lie to us every farking day but some traumatic event happens and then whatever they say becomes some sort of gospel for the new high holy day,. Then when someone dares not believe this gospel social enforcers like you have to step out of the woodwork to put him back in his place.

Sorry, those in government lie. They lie on small things. They certainly lie on the big ones. There is nothing sacred about the events of 11-sep-2001 that would cause them to stop lying. In fact they have all the reason to lie more. To create stories and myths that help them and most of all cover their collective asses.

pedobearapproved: I haven't read past your post but I hope the only bites you got for your troll was a rude request that you not be lazy and Google the story.


I have. It's obvious bullshiat. The biggest tell is how the "leaked" memo story of being shot was morphed to fit the hearsay testimony that "someone" was stabbed. But hey, how dare I question this holiday of the state religion!

Glory be the government that keeps us safe from the people it angers across the globe, while it trains, funds, and arms them when it finds them useful for something or the other. In Syria the US federal government is currently arming the very same group of people that these hijackers of a dozen years ago were supposedly a part of.
 
2013-09-12 12:41:16 AM  
Aren't you glad Facebook et al wasn't around in 2001?
 
2013-09-12 01:07:25 AM  
The first victims were the pilots who were fatally stabbed in the cockpit. This guy was the first non-aviation victim (maybe), but not the first victim overall.
 
2013-09-12 01:07:56 AM  

Haoie: Aren't you glad Facebook et al wasn't around in 2001?


Oh dear god.
 
2013-09-12 01:13:17 AM  

RogermcAllen: Lady Indica: Wow, never heard this story. Hope it also shuts up the 'why didn't more fight back' crowd.

/hopes she goes down swinging

How does it shut them up?  One guy stood up to fight, while he was distracted kicking some hadji ass another one snuck up behind him and slit his throat.  If anything it makes the "Why didn't more fight back" crowd even angrier.


The real answer is.. The passengers on the plane didn't know it was a suicide mission.
 
2013-09-12 01:17:46 AM  
leadmetal:
Sorry, those in government lie. They lie on small things. They certainly lie on the big ones. There is nothing sacred about the events of 11-sep-2001 that would cause them to stop lying. In fact they have all the reason to lie more. To create stories and myths that help them and most of all cover their collective asses.

I hate it when people think like this.

"The government has lied, therefore governments can only lie!"

Two planes hit two skyscrapers in the most populated place in the United States. Both impacts were seen on video. There is no mystery as to how heavy damage and fire can bring down such a building. As for building 7, a burning skyscraper fell on it and gouged a 20 storey hole in the side - you know, the side that was so engulfed in smoke you could barely see it. There is nothing at all inconsistent with the official story, unless you're a complete buffoon with no reasoning skills. Seriously, I'm not even joking, go and study basic logic. It will change the way you see the world.

No, I'm not just being snarky. I think you would genuinely benefit from studying logic, argumentation, etc. just as much as I did.
 
2013-09-12 01:20:33 AM  
leadmetal (farkied: Antivax idiot): Come on people, you're being bullshiatted. One way or another someone is lying somewhere.

Truer words were never spoken.  We are indeed being bullschitted.

(re-farkied: Antivax idiot and truther)
 
2013-09-12 01:24:19 AM  

LavenderWolf: leadmetal:
Sorry, those in government lie. They lie on small things. They certainly lie on the big ones. There is nothing sacred about the events of 11-sep-2001 that would cause them to stop lying. In fact they have all the reason to lie more. To create stories and myths that help them and most of all cover their collective asses.

I hate it when people think like this.

"The government has lied, therefore governments can only lie!"

Two planes hit two skyscrapers in the most populated place in the United States. Both impacts were seen on video. There is no mystery as to how heavy damage and fire can bring down such a building. As for building 7, a burning skyscraper fell on it and gouged a 20 storey hole in the side - you know, the side that was so engulfed in smoke you could barely see it. There is nothing at all inconsistent with the official story, unless you're a complete buffoon with no reasoning skills. Seriously, I'm not even joking, go and study basic logic. It will change the way you see the world.

No, I'm not just being snarky. I think you would genuinely benefit from studying logic, argumentation, etc. just as much as I did.


www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com
 
2013-09-12 01:26:17 AM  

insertsnarkyusername: Sounds like a great guy. How do we know how he acted on that day though?


We don't, it's all supposition.
 
2013-09-12 01:32:29 AM  
Buildings that are severely damaged on one side...tend to fall toward that side.
 
2013-09-12 01:35:28 AM  

insertsnarkyusername: Sounds like a great guy. How do we know how he acted on that day though?


In all honesty probably not much.. Remember prior to 911, hijackers were more about hostage taking, bargaining and has more of the 'take me to Cuba' kinda agenda. I would assume none of the passengers on this flight (unlike the other one) knew they were on a one way trip until the very last moment. This guy was probably mouthing off or asking one too many questions and one of hijackers just murdered him since he knew he had nothing to gain anyway.
 
2013-09-12 01:39:04 AM  

cryptozoophiliac: Buildings that are severely damaged on one side...tend to fall toward that side.


That wasn't the only damage, that was just the most obvious damage. The roof got cored, and the whole building burned from the inside out before the collapse. Further, it DID; you can't really see it in most videos because the angle of the video itself, as the camera operators didn't want to get video of nothing but dense grey smoke. If you watch the collapse videos, you'll see that the side further from the camera falls first, along with the inside of the building; it all went towards the side with the heaviest damage; the thing to remember is that gravity only goes in one direction. A falling building falls down.
 
2013-09-12 01:44:48 AM  
A large building has many floors and many supports. These prevent collapse. When some of them are removed, collapse can occur, but it won't be like we saw on that day,  because of the laws of physics...resistance will slow the rate of collapse, and direct the energy toward the path of least resistance. Here, have some science with your logic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVCDpL4Ax7I
 
2013-09-12 01:58:29 AM  

SuperNinjaToad: insertsnarkyusername: Sounds like a great guy. How do we know how he acted on that day though?

In all honesty probably not much.. Remember prior to 911, hijackers were more about hostage taking, bargaining and has more of the 'take me to Cuba' kinda agenda. I would assume none of the passengers on this flight (unlike the other one) knew they were on a one way trip until the very last moment. This guy was probably mouthing off or asking one too many questions and one of hijackers just murdered him since he knew he had nothing to gain anyway.


Or maybe he was an Israeli commando who actually understood what was happening.
 
2013-09-12 02:30:05 AM  

Subby here. I was hoping there'd be more discussion on the Akamai algorithms and their impact, as well as his heroism. I should've expected Truther threadjacking. (sigh) So, I guess I'll comment on a more pleasant and sensibile threadjack:


Bacontastesgood: Alonjar: and just to incite some tension...

I take a bite, and if it's just meh I have no problem A1ing it.  Hell, I'll use BBQ sauce sometimes if it's real crap.  But if it's a perfectly done filet, it's pretty farked up to put anything on it, let's be honest here.


beef.betterrecipes.com
Not even bacon, chives, and gorgonzola butter?
 
2013-09-12 02:30:53 AM  

Subby here. I was hoping there'd be more discussion on the Akamai algorithms and their impact, as well as his heroism. I should've expected Truther threadjacking. (sigh) So, I guess I'll comment on a more pleasant and sensible threadjack:


Bacontastesgood: Alonjar: and just to incite some tension...

I take a bite, and if it's just meh I have no problem A1ing it.  Hell, I'll use BBQ sauce sometimes if it's real crap.  But if it's a perfectly done filet, it's pretty farked up to put anything on it, let's be honest here.


beef.betterrecipes.com
Not even bacon, chives, and gorgonzola butter?
 
2013-09-12 02:52:43 AM  

Snapper Carr: super_grass: fark privacy, fark the constitution, I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free".

I was going to say something pithy suggesting maybe you should move to a country that shares your values but then I remembered that over the last 12 years or so, most Americans have come around to your way of thinking.

/depressed now.
//I wonder how difficult it would be to emigrate to Holland.


When's the last time you heard about the modern Dutch doing something heroic? Not to disparage them, just... I haven't heard anything, have you?

I think there are a lot of us who hate that idea, but the problem then becomes how do you stand up to the 'Man' without getting permanent black marks on your record? We haven't had a real leader to represent The People in decades. I had hopes during Occupy, but... their philosophy was 'DON'T ORGANIZE' and frankly I think they hamstrung themselves from the get-go. So much potential, but then ~two months went by and the rabble got bored.
 
2013-09-12 02:53:24 AM  
Sees what you did there:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-12 03:20:53 AM  

super_grass: I would rather be alive as a slave than be dead and "free"


I often experience difficulty telling the difference between sarcasm and stupidity. I hope this is one of those times.
 
2013-09-12 07:42:55 AM  
Kind of ironic, since the IDF is one of the largest terrorist organizations (after the CIA) in the world.
 
2013-09-12 07:43:58 AM  

noitsnot: That story is horrible and sad.  Look at what an ass-kicker this guy was, and he still got snuffed by being in the wrong place.  Depressing.


Assuming you believe the official story of 9/11. So much of the official story cannot be true, that more than likely none of it is true.
 
2013-09-12 07:48:33 AM  

LavenderWolf: cryptozoophiliac: Buildings that are severely damaged on one side...tend to fall toward that side.

That wasn't the only damage, that was just the most obvious damage. The roof got cored, and the whole building burned from the inside out before the collapse. Further, it DID; you can't really see it in most videos because the angle of the video itself, as the camera operators didn't want to get video of nothing but dense grey smoke. If you watch the collapse videos, you'll see that the side further from the camera falls first, along with the inside of the building; it all went towards the side with the heaviest damage; the thing to remember is that gravity only goes in one direction. A falling building falls down.


And less than 3% of the mass of the towers actually landed in or around the towers' footprints. The bulk of the mass was ejected outwards.
 
2013-09-12 08:09:05 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Carn: I promise to feed you and beat you rarely.

Yeah, uhm, like, where would the parentheses be if that were a mathematical statement?


Dealer's choice
 
2013-09-12 08:16:27 AM  

cryptozoophiliac: A large building has many floors and many supports. These prevent collapse. When some of them are removed, collapse can occur, but it won't be like we saw on that day,  because of the laws of physics...resistance will slow the rate of collapse, and direct the energy toward the path of least resistance. Here, have some science with your logic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVCDpL4Ax7I


lol... "Physics Toolkit"....
 
2013-09-12 08:59:10 AM  
Snapper Carr:

I was going to say something pithy suggesting maybe you should move to a country that shares your values but then I remembered that over the last 12 years or so, most Americans have come around to your way of thinking.

/depressed now.
//I wonder how difficult it would be to emigrate to Holland.


No they haven't.
 
2013-09-12 09:06:44 AM  
Oh goodie, a truther thread
 
2013-09-12 09:10:41 AM  

cryptozoophiliac: Buildings that are severely damaged on one side...tend to fall toward that side.


Which they did.
 
2013-09-12 09:39:03 AM  

LavenderWolf: I hate it when people think like this.

"The government has lied, therefore governments can only lie!"

Two planes hit two skyscrapers in the most populated place in the United States. Both impacts were seen on video. There is no mystery as to how heavy damage and fire can bring down such a building. As for building 7, a burning skyscraper fell on it and gouged a 20 storey hole in the side - you know, the side that was so engulfed in smoke you could barely see it. There is nothing at all inconsistent with the official story, unless you're a complete buffoon with no reasoning skills. Seriously, I'm not even joking, go and study basic logic. It will change the way you see the world.

No, I'm not just being snarky. I think you would genuinely benefit from studying logic, argumentation, etc. just as much as I did.


Nice theory about 7, Except when you compare Building 7 to Building 6 which had way more structural damage done to it and did not collapse in the same manner as a controlled demolition.  Every vertical structural member of Building 7 had to fail or really be severed at nearly the same time to create what happen.
 
2013-09-12 09:43:10 AM  
So lets get this straight a so-called counter-terrorism expert did not realize his plan was going to be hi-jacked until it was too late?  That's some fine expert counter-terrorism work there, Lou.
 
2013-09-12 02:35:27 PM  
 
2013-09-12 05:05:35 PM  
"Because of Akamai, almost every major news site remained up and running that day..."

Um, no.

From where I was, not a single major news site was running, unless you count 10+ minute load times as "up".
 
2013-09-12 09:30:55 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: (re-farkied: Antivax idiot and truther)


Thanks for clarifying the depth of idiocy we got here.  Measles cases in the US are at a new high after decades of being almost nonexistent, thanks to morons like this.  I did get a chuckle out of his calling me an enforcer, though, and love how he really believes that the victims families would just go along and help lie about all this.  It's a special kind of dumb and insane we've missed.  Even birfirs didn't get this dumb.

COMALite J: Not even bacon, chives, and gorgonzola butter?


Definitely not.  Not into 'gilding the lily'.   Don't you at least sometimes love a nice juicy steak-flavored steak, so tender you don't even need a knife?

Especially in a restaurant if they put bacon on anything I think they're trying to cover for not knowing how to cook well.  Anyway, condolences on the threadjack but a lot of people did comment on the guy, and it was news to me.
 
2013-09-12 09:34:49 PM  

RadioMatthew: The first victims were the pilots who were fatally stabbed in the cockpit. This guy was the first non-aviation victim (maybe), but not the first victim overall.


(for COMALite J) - and of course you got the required "farker who feels the need to set everyone straight even tho he didn't so much as click on the article and read it's headline or skim the article"
 
2013-09-12 11:11:12 PM  

Bacontastesgood: RadioMatthew: The first victims were the pilots who were fatally stabbed in the cockpit. This guy was the first non-aviation victim (maybe), but not the first victim overall.

(for COMALite J) - and of course you got the required "farker who feels the need to set everyone straight even tho he didn't so much as click on the article and read it's headline or skim the article"


It is the headline? Is it the headline? Set everyone straight.

/tho
 
2013-09-13 12:41:01 AM  

Bacontastesgood: Lee Jackson Beauregard: (re-farkied: Antivax idiot and truther)

Thanks for clarifying the depth of idiocy we got here.  Measles cases in the US are at a new high after decades of being almost nonexistent, thanks to morons like this.  I did get a chuckle out of his calling me an enforcer, though, and love how he really believes that the victims families would just go along and help lie about all this.  It's a special kind of dumb and insane we've missed.  Even birfirs didn't get this dumb.

COMALite J: Not even bacon, chives, and gorgonzola butter?

Definitely not.  Not into 'gilding the lily'.   Don't you at least sometimes love a nice juicy steak-flavored steak, so tender you don't even need a knife?

Especially in a restaurant if they put bacon on anything I think they're trying to cover for not knowing how to cook well.  Anyway, condolences on the threadjack but a lot of people did comment on the guy, and it was news to me.


Meh. I'm just not into steak all that much. I've only had one in my life that I would call really good that needed no condiments, and a few tolerable. (But gorgonzola butter helps.)
 
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