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2013-09-11 11:38:14 PM

saintwrathchild: I'm there like a clamshell o' burners.

aendeuryu: If Gilligan (or somebody equally smart) is involved, it might work, but it seems difficult. Saul doesn't have a ton of range -- he's there as a personality foil for Walter White, and his consistency of character is important so that we can use it as a gauge for how Walter White's character evolves. We don't expect, want or even need depth from him. Make his character the focus, though, and suddenly he might have to go through storylines that would either betray just how limited his range is, or else ruin the character we grew to love in BB. He's not a plot catalyst. AT BEST, he delivers messages that can push the plot.

I disagree. He's quite the deus ex machina for our dynamic duo on a number of occasions. I can't think of a better way of describing than "plot catalyst" than that.


But he doesn't reallydrive the plot. He's mostly just an enabler for other characters with the real motivations that push the story forwards. He'll pass along information when it's convenient for the plot, he'll halt an interrogation when it's convenient for the plot, he'll come up with a solution when it's convenient for the plot, but he isn't driving things. If he had more control within the story, if the characters actually listened to his ideas rather than fighting them so often, things would've gone a lot differently until this point.
 
2013-09-11 11:44:51 PM
Happened by my folks house, and they were watching an early Everybody loves Raymond episode. Young "Saul" played Ray's friend who was trying to pitch a go cart business to Ray's biatch wife. I said "Hey, it's Saul", and my folks said "Who?" Anyway, perhaps Bob could ask his old friend Ray to costar on the series as a transvestite callgirl who provides pimp, and dealer info from the streets.
 
2013-09-11 11:45:39 PM
The real question is, what would happen if Saul met Barry Zuckerkorn?
 
2013-09-11 11:48:18 PM
So, now that we know it will be a prequel, that opens up a lot more possibilities.....

One, the cast of regular characters that could return is pretty big.   Obviously Huell and Kuby are prime candidates to be in the show.  The receptionist becomes a major character.   Mike becomes a possibility.  Even Gus Fring, since it seems like there is a connection there with Saul even before Walter White gets himself into the game.  And if "Under the Dome" doesn't pan out... I'm sure Saul had some run-in's with Hank with pre-Walt drug related clients.

If you get Mike and/or Gus back in, even part time on the show, that could present some story arc's that cross episodes.  Otherwise, I'd expect the show to be more like a CSI/L&O type show, where there is a different set of 4-5 guest stars each episode, one or two playing some new client(s) that need Saul's services, and the people they have to interact with to deal with the client for that particular episode.

The other thing is that they are making it an hour show.  I was thinking there was a decent possibility it might be a 30 minute show, and they'd focus more on the comical side, but, as an hour show, while you'll certainly get the witty writing for Saul... I think the storylines might be fairly serious in nature.
 
2013-09-11 11:53:59 PM

aendeuryu: saintwrathchild: I'm there like a clamshell o' burners.

aendeuryu: If Gilligan (or somebody equally smart) is involved, it might work, but it seems difficult. Saul doesn't have a ton of range -- he's there as a personality foil for Walter White, and his consistency of character is important so that we can use it as a gauge for how Walter White's character evolves. We don't expect, want or even need depth from him. Make his character the focus, though, and suddenly he might have to go through storylines that would either betray just how limited his range is, or else ruin the character we grew to love in BB. He's not a plot catalyst. AT BEST, he delivers messages that can push the plot.

I disagree. He's quite the deus ex machina for our dynamic duo on a number of occasions. I can't think of a better way of describing than "plot catalyst" than that.

But he doesn't reallydrive the plot. He's mostly just an enabler for other characters with the real motivations that push the story forwards. He'll pass along information when it's convenient for the plot, he'll halt an interrogation when it's convenient for the plot, he'll come up with a solution when it's convenient for the plot, but he isn't driving things. If he had more control within the story, if the characters actually listened to his ideas rather than fighting them so often, things would've gone a lot differently until this point.


Maybe that's the show's schtick.  He gives characters good advice, they don't listen, shiat goes horribly wrong.

It worked for Dead Like Me.
 
2013-09-11 11:54:45 PM
So Gus Fring may be back, along with Mike?

I just want to find out why Saul was trying to unload that stupid laser tag/arcade place.
 
2013-09-11 11:55:27 PM

Ooba Tooba: Happened by my folks house, and they were watching an early Everybody loves Raymond episode. Young "Saul" played Ray's friend who was trying to pitch a go cart business to Ray's biatch wife. I said "Hey, it's Saul", and my folks said "Who?" Anyway, perhaps Bob could ask his old friend Ray to costar on the series as a transvestite callgirl who provides pimp, and dealer info from the streets.


Basically, your interest in this show is based on the slim chance you will see Ray Romano cross dress on a regular basis and play a prostitute who gives blow jobs to random men.

NTTAWWT, of course.
 
2013-09-11 11:56:56 PM

MrEricSir: The real question is, what would happen if Saul met Barry Zuckerkorn?


He would have advised Walt to cook on a boat so if he gets caught he can be tried under maritime law.
 
2013-09-12 12:04:44 AM

LesserEvil: Ooba Tooba: Happened by my folks house, and they were watching an early Everybody loves Raymond episode. Young "Saul" played Ray's friend who was trying to pitch a go cart business to Ray's biatch wife. I said "Hey, it's Saul", and my folks said "Who?" Anyway, perhaps Bob could ask his old friend Ray to costar on the series as a transvestite callgirl who provides pimp, and dealer info from the streets.

Basically, your interest in this show is based on the slim chance you will see Ray Romano cross dress on a regular basis and play a prostitute who gives blow jobs to random men.

NTTAWWT, of course.


I'm just throwing out ideas here. Ray is quite dainty, so him going down as a painted lady seems plausible at least.
 
2013-09-12 12:05:40 AM
I think this could be an enjoyable spinoff, though it seems more suited for the standard 22 minute episodes. But who knows, the concept will be fleshed out, new characters will be added, it should be good, man.
 
2013-09-12 12:07:20 AM

FutureWars: I think this could be an enjoyable spinoff, though it seems more suited for the standard 22 minute episodes. But who knows, the concept will be fleshed out, new characters will be added, it should be good, man.


It's all good man
 
2013-09-12 12:08:59 AM

Ooba Tooba: LesserEvil: Ooba Tooba: Happened by my folks house, and they were watching an early Everybody loves Raymond episode. Young "Saul" played Ray's friend who was trying to pitch a go cart business to Ray's biatch wife. I said "Hey, it's Saul", and my folks said "Who?" Anyway, perhaps Bob could ask his old friend Ray to costar on the series as a transvestite callgirl who provides pimp, and dealer info from the streets.

Basically, your interest in this show is based on the slim chance you will see Ray Romano cross dress on a regular basis and play a prostitute who gives blow jobs to random men.

NTTAWWT, of course.

I'm just throwing out ideas here. Ray is quite dainty, so him going down as a painted lady seems plausible at least.


Well, it seemed rather specific, though in your defense, at least you didn't list what you thought he should be wearing.
 
2013-09-12 12:18:42 AM

aendeuryu: But he doesn't reallydrive the plot. He's mostly just an enabler for other characters with the real motivations that push the story forwards. He'll pass along information when it's convenient for the plot, he'll halt an interrogation when it's convenient for the plot, he'll come up with a solution when it's convenient for the plot, but he isn't driving things. If he had more control within the story, if the characters actually listened to his ideas rather than fighting them so often, things would've gone a lot differently until this point.


He was also their connect with Mike. He's an amoral fixer. What's the opposite of a trickster? I can't think of a good word. Whatever Loki is, Saul's the opposite of that. He's the un-meddler, and pretty instrumental in keeping the drama high stakes but keeping Walt unscathed. And you're right, he gives real good advice, and you're also right, the characters all choose not to listen to him (provided their ass isn't on the line at the moment).

Could be fun watching him learn all these legal tricks that make him so shady and yet competent somehow. Burned by the system, maybe?
 
2013-09-12 12:20:34 AM
This will go over as well as a Les Grossman movie
 
2013-09-12 12:22:46 AM

Gunderson: This will go over as well as a Les Grossman movie


I didn't know WKRP had a spinoff!
 
2013-09-12 12:28:40 AM

LesserEvil: Ooba Tooba: LesserEvil: Ooba Tooba: Happened by my folks house, and they were watching an early Everybody loves Raymond episode. Young "Saul" played Ray's friend who was trying to pitch a go cart business to Ray's biatch wife. I said "Hey, it's Saul", and my folks said "Who?" Anyway, perhaps Bob could ask his old friend Ray to costar on the series as a transvestite callgirl who provides pimp, and dealer info from the streets.

Basically, your interest in this show is based on the slim chance you will see Ray Romano cross dress on a regular basis and play a prostitute who gives blow jobs to random men.

NTTAWWT, of course.

I'm just throwing out ideas here. Ray is quite dainty, so him going down as a painted lady seems plausible at least.

Well, it seemed rather specific, though in your defense, at least you didn't list what you thought he should be wearing.


But really, who hasn't rubbed one out while thinking about getting sucked off by Ray Romano in drag?
 
2013-09-12 12:35:24 AM

Marc L'Hommedieu: Frasier Crane only works in small doses!

Nah, this could work.  Saul may be a sleazebag, but underneath it all, he does have something of a heart.  Remember when he got quiet and offered Walt "the paddle?"  And he genuinely wanted Jesse to use the same escape.  He doesn't like violence (unless it's absolutely necessary.)  Basically, Saul is a good middleman between the innocent and the truly depraved.  One minute, he's holding an old lady's hand and vowing to get her the most settlement money for her son's tragic accident.  The next, he's getting a murderer off on a technicality.  No matter what side of the pond he's in, he just wants to see things run smoothly, get his cut, and maybe stick it to the people in power by twisting their system to his own ends.  And then snort some blow off a stripper's ass.

Tell me that won't work as a show.


I. WOULD. WATCH. THAT!!!

/ Every fraking week!
// Are you a wizard?!?
 
2013-09-12 12:41:21 AM

rotsky: LesserEvil: Sorry, pet peeve

WTF? Still?  Asshole.


Dude, you're a Fark legend. Embrace and enjoy it.

/Anyone have that thread bookmarked?
 
2013-09-12 12:42:03 AM

skinink: I just want to find out why Saul was trying to unload that stupid laser tag/arcade place.


I kinda thought it was cause he wanted to play laser tag.
 
2013-09-12 12:47:13 AM

rustypouch: LesserEvil: Ooba Tooba: LesserEvil: Ooba Tooba: Happened by my folks house, and they were watching an early Everybody loves Raymond episode. Young "Saul" played Ray's friend who was trying to pitch a go cart business to Ray's biatch wife. I said "Hey, it's Saul", and my folks said "Who?" Anyway, perhaps Bob could ask his old friend Ray to costar on the series as a transvestite callgirl who provides pimp, and dealer info from the streets.

Basically, your interest in this show is based on the slim chance you will see Ray Romano cross dress on a regular basis and play a prostitute who gives blow jobs to random men.

NTTAWWT, of course.

I'm just throwing out ideas here. Ray is quite dainty, so him going down as a painted lady seems plausible at least.

Well, it seemed rather specific, though in your defense, at least you didn't list what you thought he should be wearing.

But really, who hasn't rubbed one out while thinking about getting sucked off by Ray Romano in drag?


This exchange reminded me of Richard Belzer as a hooker in blackface from Groove Tube, but to my dismay I couldn't find an image anywhere.
Action starts at 52:02-
http://youtu.be/Ym96nMeL5OE
 
2013-09-12 12:49:20 AM

Uncle Pooky: rotsky: LesserEvil: Sorry, pet peeve

WTF? Still?  Asshole.

Dude, you're a Fark legend. Embrace and enjoy it.

/Anyone have that thread bookmarked?


Says the nuts-stuck-in-a-chair guy's alt.
 
2013-09-12 12:54:01 AM

skinink: I just want to find out why Saul was trying to unload that stupid laser tag/arcade place.


Now that I think about it, an arcade would be a pretty good place to launder money. You just put the money in the change machines, put the coins in the games, and that's it. No receipts or anything.
 
2013-09-12 01:03:33 AM

Ooba Tooba: Gunderson: This will go over as well as a Les Grossman movie

I didn't know WKRP had a spinoff!


You're thinking of Rex Nessman.
 
2013-09-12 01:15:49 AM

MrEricSir: The real question is, what would happen if Saul met Barry Zuckerkorn?


For one thing, they would obviously meet at Ms. Temple's.

Also, we all know that they are both very good.
 
2013-09-12 01:20:40 AM

Glitchwerks: I'd rather have The Adventures of Badger and Skinny Pete.  Animated.


Throw in Huell and Kuby and I'm there.
 
2013-09-12 01:22:43 AM
I think at the end, the only people left alive are going to be Badger and Skinny Pete.
 
2013-09-12 01:23:28 AM

Glitchwerks: I'd rather have The Adventures of Badger and Skinny Pete.  Animated.


It could work

http://www.vulture.com/2013/08/breaking-bad-badger-star-trek-story-a ni mated.html
 
2013-09-12 01:24:52 AM

Glitchwerks: I'd rather have The Adventures of Badger and Skinny Pete.  Animated.


I would think they'll be brought back. Same goes for Combo.
 
2013-09-12 01:46:02 AM
Agree that the show needs Huell and Kuby.  Although, I haven't watched the episode in awhile, but don't they introduce Huell in a way that implies he has just met Saul?

/Comedy Central was running one of Lavell Crawford's half hours when I got off work this AM.  Seems odd now to see speak that much...
 
2013-09-12 01:57:31 AM

SpiritualRemains: Triumph: He is not the "comic relief" of Breaking Bad. The whole thing is a giant black comedy. Todd's ringtone was the funniest touch last week.

I thought Todd's shooting was the funniest touch last week.

Wait, it wasn't suppose to be funny?


It was funny. First, Hank was endlessly careful about the surrender of his brother-in-law and then he's just kind of standing out in the open as these four trucks full of Nazis drive up and unload on him.

/Vamanos, pest
 
2013-09-12 01:59:38 AM
Ole Billy redface better be involved somehow.
 
2013-09-12 02:04:12 AM

skeeterjennings: Although, I haven't watched the episode in awhile, but don't they introduce Huell in a way that implies he has just met Saul?


I want to say he hires Huell as a bodyguard some time during Season 4 as things get increasingly dangerous. I'm sure they can find a way to write him in, though. He's too good not to use and his scenes together with Bill Burr are hilarious.
 
2013-09-12 04:24:56 AM
Odenkirk is a comedic genius.  His web series is brilliant.
 
2013-09-12 04:30:55 AM
.... this should be great.  So many possibilities, Breaking Bad ties aside (maybe he introduced Gus and Mike? Where the fark did he find Huell?).  Hell, it would be entertaining to watch Saul just haggle with the Cadillac salesman.
 
2013-09-12 05:05:48 AM
I really want more Huell. Huell origins and Huell adventures. If it's with Saul that's a farking very fortunate bonus.
HUELL! HUELL! HUELL!
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-12 06:37:06 AM

Triumph: It was funny. First, Hank was endlessly careful about the surrender of his brother-in-law and then he's just kind of standing out in the open as these four trucks full of Nazis drive up and unload on him.


It's one of the rules of the show: if you think you have everything planned out, something is bound to go sideways.  For Walt, he thought he'd have the Nazis send Pinkman to Belize, but it wasn't until they showed up that he realized how desperate they were to have him cook for them again, and that they were going to kill everybody.
 
2013-09-12 07:50:19 AM

saintwrathchild: Dwight_Yeast: No, Kelsey Grammar is insufferable no matter what the quantity. The problem with Frasier Crane was that you had a character actor of average intelligence playing a guy who was supposed to be a genius and Grammar eventually became convinced that he actually was one!

Hey I liked Boss. Apparently I was the only one though.


Hardly!  The Mrs and I really enjoyed that show.  It was ruthless and enjoyable.
 
2013-09-12 08:09:26 AM

AltheaToldMe: saintwrathchild: Dwight_Yeast: No, Kelsey Grammar is insufferable no matter what the quantity. The problem with Frasier Crane was that you had a character actor of average intelligence playing a guy who was supposed to be a genius and Grammar eventually became convinced that he actually was one!

Hey I liked Boss. Apparently I was the only one though.

Hardly!  The Mrs and I really enjoyed that show.  It was ruthless and enjoyable.


That actually good -like it was written to Grammar's skills- but it got canceled before I got around to checking it out.
 
2013-09-12 08:10:03 AM

skinink: So Gus Fring may be back, along with Mike?

I just want to find out why Saul was trying to unload that stupid laser tag/arcade place.


I doubt Fring will be back. If I remember correctly Saul didn't know who Fring was, per se. Saul just knew, through Mike, that there was a giant businessman type meth distributor. He called Mike to set up the meeting.
 
2013-09-12 08:10:39 AM

AnotherBluesStringer: skinink: So Gus Fring may be back, along with Mike?

I just want to find out why Saul was trying to unload that stupid laser tag/arcade place.

I doubt Fring will be back. If I remember correctly Saul didn't know who Fring was, per se. Saul just knew, through Mike, that there was a giant businessman type meth distributor. He called Mike to set up the meeting.


Well...He didn't know who Fring was (in name) until Walt told him.
 
2013-09-12 08:16:56 AM
Badger, Skinny Pete and Huell team up, buy a van and solve crimes in the American southwest.

Get on it, USA Network!
 
2013-09-12 08:19:46 AM

Glitchwerks: I'd rather have The Adventures of Badger and Skinny Pete.  Animated.


It was a Saturday morning cartoon called, "Clerks".
 
2013-09-12 08:21:31 AM

Foxxinnia: skinink: I just want to find out why Saul was trying to unload that stupid laser tag/arcade place.

Now that I think about it, an arcade would be a pretty good place to launder money. You just put the money in the change machines, put the coins in the games, and that's it. No receipts or anything.


He has said that he's been in the laundering business for quite some time now

"Man I miss the 80s"
 
2013-09-12 08:23:34 AM
Good for Bob.

/going to see him, David, and Brian tomorrow.
 
2013-09-12 08:28:15 AM

Gunny Highway: Good for Bob.



The thing is though is that Bob always comes across like he hates playing the character. If you listen to his various interviews he's always so meh when discussing the show. Like on his interview on Fresh Air not that long ago he just sounded like it was painful for him to be there and he wanted to be anywhere else than there talking about the show, even his possible spin off.

IDK, maybe that's just how Bob is in real life and he has a very melancholic personality.
 
2013-09-12 08:35:58 AM

LesserEvil: rotsky: I have a feeling we'll find his charactercaricature only good in small doses.

Sorry, pet peeve


He's not a caricature! He's the only one who's good at his job!
 
2013-09-12 08:44:51 AM
Dwight_Yeast:

That actually good -like it was written to Grammar's skills- but it got canceled before I got around to checking it out.

If I am not mistaken it's on Netflix now.  If you catch this and like it, might I suggest House Of Cards too.  It was very watchable and sucked us right in.
 
2013-09-12 09:08:43 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Gunny Highway: Good for Bob.


The thing is though is that Bob always comes across like he hates playing the character. If you listen to his various interviews he's always so meh when discussing the show. Like on his interview on Fresh Air not that long ago he just sounded like it was painful for him to be there and he wanted to be anywhere else than there talking about the show, even his possible spin off.

IDK, maybe that's just how Bob is in real life and he has a very melancholic personality.


Kids gotta go to college, family has to eat, etc.?
 
2013-09-12 09:14:23 AM

Crewmannumber6: LesserEvil: rotsky: I have a feeling we'll find his charactercaricature only good in small doses.

Sorry, pet peeve

He's not a caricature! He's the only one who's good at his job!


I think you missed the point of the post. Read the link, then see who I was responding to.
 
2013-09-12 09:15:42 AM

Gunny Highway: Kids gotta go to college, family has to eat, etc.?


I guess, you would guess you might get a little more excited though
 
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