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(Yahoo)   Les Miles 'disagrees' with Oklahoma State allegations. Gee, I can't imagine why he would do that   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line 44
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2013-09-11 03:52:47 PM
Because imagining why Les Miles does anything is a long walk down a path of twisted madness, where reality becomes indistingushible from the most surreal fantasies of a diseased mind, while information is woven into a moving blanket that a salt shaker passes over eternally, delivering minute stars and wisps of pitch and ethereal nothingness?
 
2013-09-11 03:53:59 PM
So did we learn anything new in all of this?  Big-time college sports is dirty as sin and money greases the wheels.

/Maybe we could let the athletes accept gifts and endorsement deals and just bring all this nonsense above the table.
//and give Yahoo's graphic designer the death penalty for the new site
 
2013-09-11 03:55:13 PM
UNC_Samurai: //and give Yahoo's graphic designer the death penalty for the new site

And all the management pinheads who signed off on it
 
2013-09-11 04:02:58 PM
Christ almighty, can we just admit that this crap happens  everywhere? NCAA is a farking joke.
 
2013-09-11 04:03:51 PM
I guess Michigan lucked out by not hiring him.
 
2013-09-11 04:05:46 PM
Miles did not take any questions about the OSU matter, saying he is trying to get LSU ready for its game Saturday against Kent State.

"OK, men. We got to get ready to play Kent State in a couple days... so umm... we're done here... Go hit the showers."
 
2013-09-11 04:07:11 PM
I guarantee you he brought this sort of thing with him to EllisYou.
 
2013-09-11 04:07:24 PM
The SEC, Big 12, and PAC 12, and Ohio State need to leave the NCAA and form their own league and leave college football to the schools that attempt to play by normal rules
 
2013-09-11 04:08:10 PM

Ponzholio: Miles did not take any questions about the OSU matter, saying he is trying to get LSU ready for its game Saturday against Kent State.

"OK, men. We got to get ready to play Kent State in a couple days... so umm... we're done here... Go hit the showers."


Hey, the Golden Flashes have been pretty good recently.
 
2013-09-11 04:13:35 PM

The Slush: UNC_Samurai: //and give Yahoo's graphic designer the death penalty for the new site

And all the management pinheads who signed off on it


THIS
 
2013-09-11 04:28:29 PM
"Don't ask questions you wouldn't want asked of you"

Has King of the Hill taught us nothing?!
 
2013-09-11 04:28:34 PM
So which NFL team will he join up with next year?
 
2013-09-11 04:33:45 PM

Lost Thought 00: So which NFL team will he join up with next year?


Oh, I'm sure NFL teams are lining up down the streets in Baton Rouge to convince him to join them as a "clock management specialist".
 
2013-09-11 04:34:12 PM
JohnAnnArbor:  I guess Michigan lucked out by not hiring him.

We hired Rich Rodriguez instead.  Lucky us.
 
2013-09-11 04:38:11 PM
Get sports out of colleges.
 
2013-09-11 04:54:40 PM

The Muthaship: Get sports out of colleges.


I kind of agree, either that or pay athletes, but pay all athletes equally, that's my catch.
 
2013-09-11 04:56:48 PM

Tomahawk513: The Muthaship: Get sports out of colleges.

I kind of agree, either that or pay athletes, but pay all athletes equally, that's my catch.


That doesn't get rid of the sliminess.  It's become something academics is better off without.  Has been for a long time.
 
2013-09-11 05:01:03 PM

The Muthaship: Get sports out of colleges.


Sports, in general?  The vast majority of athletes are in the "non-money" sports that are basically just high-school sports on a slightly bigger stage.  Only football and basketball have gotten way over the top, and then only in Division 1.
 
2013-09-11 05:02:19 PM

JohnAnnArbor: The Muthaship: Get sports out of colleges.

Sports, in general?  The vast majority of athletes are in the "non-money" sports that are basically just high-school sports on a slightly bigger stage.  Only football and basketball have gotten way over the top, and then only in Division 1.


Sorry.  Title IX says it must be equal.  Please make your way to the exits.
 
2013-09-11 05:23:42 PM

The Muthaship: JohnAnnArbor: The Muthaship: Get sports out of colleges.

Sports, in general?  The vast majority of athletes are in the "non-money" sports that are basically just high-school sports on a slightly bigger stage.  Only football and basketball have gotten way over the top, and then only in Division 1.

Sorry.  Title IX says it must be equal.  Please make your way to the exits.


Title IX's implementation has destroyed men's gymnastics and wrestling nationwide, as they only count numbers, without accounting for actual participation interest.
 
2013-09-11 05:25:26 PM

WTF Indeed: The SEC, Big 12, and PAC 12, and Ohio State need to leave the NCAA and form their own league and leave college football to the schools that attempt to play by normal rules


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2013-09-11 05:27:59 PM
Les Miles: "What, we didn't do anything wrong! We do that kind of sh*t all the time here at LSU and no one says anything!"
 
2013-09-11 05:35:36 PM

The Slush: UNC_Samurai: //and give Yahoo's graphic designer the death penalty for the new site

And all the management pinheads who signed off on it


You'll get over it.
 
2013-09-11 05:39:29 PM

JohnAnnArbor: The Muthaship: JohnAnnArbor: The Muthaship: Get sports out of colleges.

Sports, in general?  The vast majority of athletes are in the "non-money" sports that are basically just high-school sports on a slightly bigger stage.  Only football and basketball have gotten way over the top, and then only in Division 1.

Sorry.  Title IX says it must be equal.  Please make your way to the exits.

Title IX's implementation has destroyed men's gymnastics and wrestling nationwide, as they only count numbers, without accounting for actual participation interest.


Football coaches and their AD enablers have destroyed men's gymnastics and wrestling, because why support more athletes when there's a $250,000,000 stadium renovation and a $3,000,000 salary to meet?
 
2013-09-11 05:39:36 PM

veedeevadeevoodee: WTF Indeed: The SEC, Big 12, and PAC 12, and Ohio State need to leave the NCAA and form their own league and leave college football to the schools that attempt to play by normal rules

[The-butthurt-is-strong-with-this-one.jpg]


The Browns fan has a point, though.  American collegiate football and basketball are the only sports in the world that bottleneck their farm system through an academic environment.  Futbol has a club system; if you're serious about going to school and playing, you play for a local club.  If you flunk out, you're still playing for the club.

We've developed this bizarre system, and it makes too much money to fix.
 
2013-09-11 05:55:51 PM

Tomahawk513: The Muthaship: Get sports out of colleges.

I kind of agree, either that or pay athletes, but pay all athletes equally, that's my catch.


Nah...

The football and basketball teams bring in way more than the swimming team. They should get paid more. Of course, you run into all type of Title IX issues with this. So the better answer is to get rid of it entirely out of academia.
 
2013-09-11 05:58:47 PM

Sliding Carp: JohnAnnArbor: The Muthaship: JohnAnnArbor: The Muthaship: Get sports out of colleges.

Sports, in general?  The vast majority of athletes are in the "non-money" sports that are basically just high-school sports on a slightly bigger stage.  Only football and basketball have gotten way over the top, and then only in Division 1.

Sorry.  Title IX says it must be equal.  Please make your way to the exits.

Title IX's implementation has destroyed men's gymnastics and wrestling nationwide, as they only count numbers, without accounting for actual participation interest.

Football coaches and their AD enablers have destroyed men's gymnastics and wrestling, because why support more athletes when there's a $250,000,000 stadium renovation and a $3,000,000 salary to meet?


no it's because to balance the 85 football scholarships the university hands out many more scholarships to women than men in the others sports.  this is particularly damning for sports without a female counterpart (see wrestling).  also, it's why bowling and beach volleyball is are ncaa scholarship sports for women and women's crew has 20 scholarships.

basketball: 13 men, 15 women
track/cross country: 12.6 men, 18 women
tennis: 4.5 men, 8 women
soccer: 9.9 men, 14 women
swimming/diving: 9.9 men, 14 women

thus, a cheap way to balance it ax men's gymnastics and wrestling
 
2013-09-11 06:33:35 PM

UNC_Samurai: So did we learn anything new in all of this?  Big-time college sports is dirty as sin and money greases the wheels.

/Maybe we could let the athletes accept gifts and endorsement deals and just bring all this nonsense above the table.
//and give Yahoo's graphic designer the death penalty for the new site


I read the article last night. The answer to your question is 'no'.
 
2013-09-11 06:35:39 PM

Old Huntstein: The Slush: UNC_Samurai: //and give Yahoo's graphic designer the death penalty for the new site

And all the management pinheads who signed off on it

THIS


I use it for NASCAR news, and it's actually better than NASCAR's site by a good long way.
 
2013-09-11 06:39:06 PM
Would Title IX be an issue if the players got paid? Wouldn't being paid make them university employees rather than amateur student athletes? They might have to open recruiting to female players for the paid team but other than a few schools like West Dakota State, it'd probably only be men who made the cut.

In other news, Yahoo Sports is reporting that they have proof that an Alabama player was the paymaster for a pro agent, handling money for players at Alabama, Tennessee, and Mississippi State in recent years. It seems to be the season for discovering rules violations.
 
2013-09-11 06:51:44 PM

EngineerAU: In other news, Yahoo Sports is reporting that they have proof that an Alabama player was the paymaster for a pro agent, handling money for players at Alabama, Tennessee, and Mississippi State in recent years. It seems to be the season for discovering rules violations.


unlike 2010 when no one could discover rules violations.  there was just no proof of any violation.  none.  a squeaky clean college football season i tell ya!

/why doesn't the ncaa just let the players accept cash, endorsements, etc?
//who the fark cares if talented college kids get paid?
 
2013-09-11 07:08:39 PM

A Fark Handle: EngineerAU: In other news, Yahoo Sports is reporting that they have proof that an Alabama player was the paymaster for a pro agent, handling money for players at Alabama, Tennessee, and Mississippi State in recent years. It seems to be the season for discovering rules violations.

unlike 2010 when no one could discover rules violations.  there was just no proof of any violation.  none.  a squeaky clean college football season i tell ya!

/why doesn't the ncaa just let the players accept cash, endorsements, etc?
//who the fark cares if talented college kids get paid?


The NCAA moves slowly. Who would have thought they'd actually implement a playoff? A few years back they did allow a small payment to players but changed the policy soon afterward. There's too much money in the system for some of it not to leak into the hands of the players. Eventually either the big money teams are going to go out on their own, the courts are going to force the issue, or the NCAA will allow it.

The current system of waiting for enough evidence to randomly show up doesn't work very well and given the large number of boosters not part of the schools who are quite willing to pay for wins, not to mention pro agents who care only about getting a cut of a pro player's huge salary, there is no way any school can keep clean even if they're able to make all their employees do everything to the letter. The lack of subpena power and uneven enforcement makes the whole thing as big of a sham as the TSA.

Personally I think the schools should all spin off their athletic departments into independent entities that have a licensing agreement with the schools to use their name, colors, logos, etc. It's become too big of a distraction for what were founded as educational institutions. They can keep a piece of the pie by licensing their name and the teams can be required to have a certain percentage of their players be students at the school whose name they're using. Much like overseas basketball leagues require a certain percentage of native players on each team.
 
2013-09-11 07:14:03 PM
Read that as "Les Mis"
 
2013-09-11 07:24:40 PM
We call him Loopy Les around here (Oklahoma) for the off the wall things he does and says.
 
2013-09-11 07:41:37 PM

EngineerAU: The NCAA moves slowly. Who would have thought they'd actually implement a playoff?


The NCAA has had playoffs in place for decades.

/people really need to start learning the difference between "colleges" and "the NCAA"
 
2013-09-11 09:06:28 PM
The pinhead author of the trash story started out 10 months ago following Tyrann Mathieu around LSU after he was discharged from LUS's team by Les Miles. When he couldn't get any trash there, he went after Oky State to keep trying to get trash to dish on Miles. He obviously found some trash who had been kicked off of Oky State's team.  S.I. Should shiatcan this guy for this kind of garbage.
 
2013-09-11 09:22:00 PM

EngineerAU: A Fark Handle: EngineerAU: In other news, Yahoo Sports is reporting that they have proof that an Alabama player was the paymaster for a pro agent, handling money for players at Alabama, Tennessee, and Mississippi State in recent years. It seems to be the season for discovering rules violations.

unlike 2010 when no one could discover rules violations.  there was just no proof of any violation.  none.  a squeaky clean college football season i tell ya!

/why doesn't the ncaa just let the players accept cash, endorsements, etc?
//who the fark cares if talented college kids get paid?

The NCAA moves slowly. Who would have thought they'd actually implement a playoff? A few years back they did allow a small payment to players but changed the policy soon afterward. There's too much money in the system for some of it not to leak into the hands of the players. Eventually either the big money teams are going to go out on their own, the courts are going to force the issue, or the NCAA will allow it.

The current system of waiting for enough evidence to randomly show up doesn't work very well and given the large number of boosters not part of the schools who are quite willing to pay for wins, not to mention pro agents who care only about getting a cut of a pro player's huge salary, there is no way any school can keep clean even if they're able to make all their employees do everything to the letter. The lack of subpena power and uneven enforcement makes the whole thing as big of a sham as the TSA.

Personally I think the schools should all spin off their athletic departments into independent entities that have a licensing agreement with the schools to use their name, colors, logos, etc. It's become too big of a distraction for what were founded as educational institutions. They can keep a piece of the pie by licensing their name and the teams can be required to have a certain percentage of their players be students at the school whose name they're using. Much like overseas bas ...


Or the NFL could step in on the potential cash cow of a minor league system that could be comparable to the Canadian Major Junior Hockey League is to the NHL...that way there is a choice and there is none of this licensing crap. The kids that just want to train for the NFL and get paid can go to the minor league and those that want to learn can go to college.
 
2013-09-11 09:28:40 PM

Coconut Meat: Or the NFL could step in on the potential cash cow of a minor league system that could be comparable to the Canadian Major Junior Hockey League is to the NHL...that way there is a choice and there is none of this licensing crap. The kids that just want to train for the NFL and get paid can go to the minor league and those that want to learn can go to college.


A pretty good idea but I doubt the NFL would want to pay for such a system when they get it for free with the NCAA. I'm guessing that if they could make a buck by cutting out college ball they would have done it already. Should the concussion lawsuit or pay-for-play lawsuit go against the NCAA, a minor league like the one you described might have to come into being.

It would be nice to free the universities from the guys who are there for football rather than an education. Not to mention the scandals that pop up constantly related to the athletic programs. They'd probably still happen but on a much smaller scale.
 
2013-09-12 02:09:31 AM

EngineerAU: Coconut Meat: Or the NFL could step in on the potential cash cow of a minor league system that could be comparable to the Canadian Major Junior Hockey League is to the NHL...that way there is a choice and there is none of this licensing crap. The kids that just want to train for the NFL and get paid can go to the minor league and those that want to learn can go to college.

A pretty good idea but I doubt the NFL would want to pay for such a system when they get it for free with the NCAA. I'm guessing that if they could make a buck by cutting out college ball they would have done it already. Should the concussion lawsuit or pay-for-play lawsuit go against the NCAA, a minor league like the one you described might have to come into being.


and the nfl actually makes more with all the free pub with the current system. there's a reason the nfl draft is so popular (besides being the biggest revenue sport in america).  it's because all of the players have had at least 2 years (with a redshirt) or 3 years of national and regional tv exposure.  we know all their names.  we know their stories, so unlike the other drafts.  sure seth jones maybe popeye's son and played for a great team in portland, but the winterhawks don't have weekly primetime spots on abc, cbs, and espn.  never mind the discussion about the games...there's no cash cow for the nfl.  junior hockey and minor baseball never lead sportscenter, never will.  but bama vs oregon?
 
2013-09-12 08:25:29 AM
Les FewerMiles

/ftfy
/pet peeve
 
2013-09-12 08:56:44 AM

Sliding Carp: JohnAnnArbor: The Muthaship: JohnAnnArbor: The Muthaship: Get sports out of colleges.

Sports, in general?  The vast majority of athletes are in the "non-money" sports that are basically just high-school sports on a slightly bigger stage.  Only football and basketball have gotten way over the top, and then only in Division 1.

Sorry.  Title IX says it must be equal.  Please make your way to the exits.

Title IX's implementation has destroyed men's gymnastics and wrestling nationwide, as they only count numbers, without accounting for actual participation interest.

Football coaches and their AD enablers have destroyed men's gymnastics and wrestling, because why support more athletes when there's a $250,000,000 stadium renovation and a $3,000,000 salary to meet?


You don't really get how college athletics work, do you?
 
2013-09-12 09:18:18 AM

WTF Indeed: The SEC, Big 12, and PAC 12, and Ohio State need to leave the NCAA and form their own league and leave college football to the schools that attempt to play by normal rules


10/10

That's some quality trolling right there.

Or will you double down and claim that the NCAA rules are "normal" ?
 
2013-09-12 02:26:17 PM
10 out of the 13 ex OSU players quoted by SI have very publicly denounced SI and have stated that the lead investigative reporter on the story (Thayer Evans) either misrepresented who he was, what the story was about and all of them claim that he took their comments out of context, misquoted them or otherwise misrepresented their positions.  One of these guys is a former QB who was quite active in Fellowship of Christian Athletes and has been the youth Minister at the Methodist Church in Lawton, Ok for the last 7 years.

Pretty much all of the players named have refuted the allegations that they received extra benefits or goodies (2 of them are dead, so they can't exactly defend themselves.)

SI is claiming that OSU "looked the other way" when it came to drug usage, yet the record shows that a total of around 30 players were released from scholarship (in over a decade long period) for what are almost certainly drug related offenses, including several starters.   One of those released did a full interview yesterday detailing how he cleaned himself up, paid his own way to school and begged for a chance to rejoin the team.  He was allowed to do so, after one year and jumping through a ton of academic and other hoops to regain the trust of the coaching staff.

If the storyline is supposed to be that OSU made it easy for drug use to happen, then how the hell can they explain the number of players, including starters, who were dismissed for violating the drug policy?

BTW, I have no doubt that drug use happened with many OSU athletes, just as I am sure that drug use is happening with any given subset of the college population on virtually ANY CAMPUS across the US.  As Chef from South Park once put it: "Childen' there's a time and place for everything, and the time for drugs.....well, that's called College!"

I'm also certain that some players got some bene's and maybe even some extra cash from fans every once in a while (just like at every other Div 1 school), but I'm fairly confident it was from from some institutional or organized practice like SI is making it out to be.

Now, did our ex coach pass out envelopes with cash in them after games?  Absolutely, 100% true!  Also in context, absolutely nothing sordid about the practice as the cash was the player's per diem which the NCAA requires to be paid to all players on the visiting squad on or before game day.  But you will note that SI NEVER noted that at any time in their story.  You will also note that they never quote or spend much time with the hundreds of players and individuals who they contacted who had stories that contradicted their narrative.  Of the 60 players they claim to have conducted interviews with, we have no idea how many refuted the story, of the 13 named now 10 are calling shenanigans.

SI claims to have recordings of all the interviews, at least for the 10 denying - almost to the man they have demanded public release of any recordings with them for the public to judge.  So far, no response by SI to these requests.
 
2013-09-12 03:16:35 PM
ESPN just ran a story that exposed the primary witness for SI's story as lying about a number of his claims.

The ex-players name is Fath" (pronounced like Fate) Carter who was at OSU from around 2001-2005.

He claimed and SI reported that he had earned two degrees from OSU.  But I guess that SI forgot to ask for any proof of that ESPN has verified from OSU's Registrar's office that he has NO degrees from OSU.  Dohrmann, the SI Writer interrupted his interview by Doug Gottlieb on Tuesday, citing this as a "fact" and claiming it proved that Carter had credibility.  (Well, if it "proved" credibility, will the fact we now know it was all a lie "prove" his source has NO CREDIBILITY?)

Secondly, Carter claimed that he took a class with teammate Tatum Bell (former NFL back for Lions and Broncos) in the spring of 2004 and the professor flunked them both, while the previous semester he had given them both A's.  (He claimed that the low grade was due to both players having used up their eligibility and of being of no further use to the University.)  However, Tatum Bell withdrew from school and declared for the draft,  the day after he played in the Cotton Bowl (Jan 2, 2004) and never attended a single class at OSU in 2004.
 
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