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(Washington Examiner)   Not News: Large Companies are laying off thousands of American workers. Fark: The same Companies then turn around and demand immigration reform for new labor   (washingtonexaminer.com) divider line 99
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2013-09-11 03:49:18 PM
Large companies do not create jobs.  They destroy them.
 
2013-09-11 03:57:23 PM
This is what happens when the main motive is increasing profits quarter to quarter.
 
2013-09-11 04:01:12 PM
demotivators.despair.com
 
2013-09-11 04:03:51 PM
Why would they want that? They can hire illegals for 2$ an hour. If there's reform they will have to pay minimum wage.
 
2013-09-11 04:23:35 PM

johnryan51: Why would they want that? They can hire illegals for 2$ an hour. If there's reform they will have to pay minimum wage.


less scrutiny with legal work, however piss-poor the pay is

I should also point out that union membership is at an all-time low. Maybe if it wasn't and we had representation in the workplace for the worker, we wouldn't be worrying about this shiat.

no, wait, my bad. The companies will just fire you all and hire non-union labor
 
2013-09-11 04:28:09 PM

johnryan51: Why would they want that? They can hire illegals for 2$ an hour. If there's reform they will have to pay minimum wage.


There isn't an infinite amount of "illegals" to exploit, and as the economy in Mexico and the rest of Latin America has improved somewhat, it becomes less attractive to pay a coyote thousands of dollars and sneak across the desert without dying of thirst or being killed by gangs and/or crazed Minutemen. Indeed, the flow of people across the border is decreasing.

So getting a bill passed where importation of people that will do backbreaking labor for a pittance is a high priority for a lot of the signatories to the letter in TFA. There's also the tech companies, such as Hewlett-Packard, that would doubtless like more H1B visas so they can have more skilled tech workers who can be threatened with deportation if they don't continually eat shiat.
 
2013-09-11 05:30:09 PM
Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains.

 
2013-09-11 05:30:19 PM

SurfaceTension: This is what happens when the main motive is increasing profits quarter to quarter.


Yep, when all the CEOs are in "hit it and quit it" mode, big companies become little more than deadbeat dads in the economic scheme of things.
 
2013-09-11 05:36:54 PM
FTFA:  and millions more so discouraged that they have left the work force altogether.

So how do i become one of those and not be homeless?
 
2013-09-11 05:37:56 PM

johnryan51: Why would they want that? They can hire illegals for 2$ an hour. If there's reform they will have to pay minimum wage.


You can hire illegal programmers for $2 an hour?

Oh you are one of those people who like to pretend the only immigration is people coming over our boarders and not the close to 50% of "illegals" flying in on visas and overstaying.
 
2013-09-11 05:39:36 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Large companies do not create jobs.  They destroy them.


That's incorrect.

We take the ones we don't need and make them and pulverize them into a fine sludge which we then sell to another company for a quick buck.
 
2013-09-11 05:39:39 PM

shanrick: Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains.


If by chains you mean the ability to pay for my children's care, my house, new cars, my boat, food, disposable income, and all other manners of nice stuff, then yes, I could lose them.
 
2013-09-11 05:41:40 PM

palan: Marcus Aurelius: Large companies do not create jobs.  They destroy them.

That's incorrect.

We take the ones we don't need and make them and pulverize them into a fine sludge which we then sell to another company for a quick buck.


I hear Wall Street is bundling high and low quality job sludge to sell. Don't buy them.
 
2013-09-11 05:42:50 PM
Problem: Can't find any Americans work skilled jobs requiring degrees and experience for minimum wage.  Look, we posted in the paper about it a lot and got very few replies.
Solution: Let more immigrants in with work visas!
Outcome: If we let immigrants in for skilled jobs, why not unskilled ones too?? We can't find any Americans willing to work 20 hour shifts every day for a month for minimum wage level salaries!
 
2013-09-11 05:43:54 PM
Is this where I point out that Obama care is going to cost millions of jobs and actually encourage companies not to do business in the US?

*ducks*
 
2013-09-11 05:44:04 PM

MadMattressMack: shanrick: Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains.

If by chains you mean the ability to pay for my children's care, my house, new cars, my boat, food, disposable income, and all other manners of nice stuff, then yes, I could lose them.


OK, chains and livelihood.  The two things you have to lose are chains and livelihood.
 
2013-09-11 05:45:14 PM

MadMattressMack: FTFA:  and millions more so discouraged that they have left the work force altogether.

So how do i become one of those and not be homeless?


You could be an attractive woman, or you could have well to do parents with an extra room.
 
2013-09-11 05:45:38 PM

iheartscotch: Is this where I point out that Obama care is going to cost millions of jobs and actually encourage companies not to do business in the US?


You can see into the future?!

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-09-11 05:45:57 PM
Gotta pay for Obama care somehow.
 
2013-09-11 05:47:07 PM

Corvus: You can hire illegal programmers for $2 an hour?


No. But if the worker you have now is making 13 dollars an hour because they have been at the company for x amount of years, you can fire them and hire someone else for half of that and still make minimal wage limit.

And while you average citizen may say, "But I can't survive on that. I need a higher wage." That same cry is less likely to come from an immigrant worker who 1) may not know the system well enough to bargain with 2) is willing to live at poverty level just to have job.
 
2013-09-11 05:47:14 PM
We are essentially a Corporatocracy with the political theater of a representational democracy. The People are given a choice between two well-funded, well publicized candidates who are both beholden to the same corporate interests. Our political system is about money (notice the media's focus on candidates "war chests") and large corporations have money to spare. The People, not so much.
 
2013-09-11 05:49:09 PM
It used to be labor unions which were strongly anti-immigrant.

I can't understand why racist tetards think businesses should be anti-immigrant.
 
2013-09-11 05:49:49 PM
So... combined with this and the article about how the US is becoming a Banana republic, moving to Europe or New Zealand sounds better and better.
 
2013-09-11 05:50:04 PM

kyrg: Gotta pay for Obama care somehow.


That's what you get for using ideas from Republican think tanks.

If a UHC single payer system had been implemented, costs would be lower and everyone would be covered.
 
2013-09-11 05:50:25 PM

johnryan51: Why would they want that? They can hire illegals for 2$ an hour. If there's reform they will have to pay minimum wage.


If there was really global competition for labor, the value of this scarce resource would be reflected in the ever-spiraling wages paid to Americans.
 
2013-09-11 05:51:17 PM

mekki: Corvus: You can hire illegal programmers for $2 an hour?

No. But if the worker you have now is making 13 dollars an hour because they have been at the company for x amount of years, you can fire them and hire someone else for half of that and still make minimal wage limit.

And while you average citizen may say, "But I can't survive on that. I need a higher wage." That same cry is less likely to come from an immigrant worker who 1) may not know the system well enough to bargain with 2) is willing to live at poverty level just to have job.


Thanks. They abuse all illegals no matter how they got here. Threaten deportation and you can get forced overtime or forced anything.
 
2013-09-11 05:52:18 PM

kyrg: Gotta pay for Obama care somehow.


With the money everyone spends on the medical system currently, every man/woman/child could be 100% covered for everything, no insurance companies would be needed, and there'd be plenty of room to spare for profit.  But no.  We pay the most for health care AND have one of the least accessible systems.
 
2013-09-11 05:52:25 PM

HairBolus: It used to be labor unions which were strongly anti-immigrant.

I can't understand why racist tetards think businesses should be anti-immigrant.


Maybe its not "racist tetards" but people in the lower middle class that honestly worry about losing jobs and livelihood to someone not already living here, who will demonstrate that they will live 16 to an apartment, do the same job for minimum wage, and export funds out of the economy back to their native nation, thus showing the economy and the rich that providing a living wage to people is not nessessary.

maybe short sighted farktards like you should think a bit and stop making this a race issue, when it is in fact detriment to everyone.
 
2013-09-11 05:54:15 PM
Corporations are simply better people than you. DEAL WITH IT!
 
2013-09-11 05:56:31 PM

jshine: iheartscotch: Is this where I point out that Obama care is going to cost millions of jobs and actually encourage companies not to do business in the US?

You can see into the future?!


I come from a very horrible future.

/ health care and broccoli were only the beginning of the dark years.
 
2013-09-11 05:57:28 PM
That's called increasing your bottom line.
 
2013-09-11 05:59:08 PM

Hrist: kyrg: Gotta pay for Obama care somehow.

With the money everyone spends on the medical system currently, every man/woman/child could be 100% covered for everything, no insurance companies would be needed, and there'd be plenty of room to spare for profit.  But no.  We pay the most for health care AND have one of the least accessible systems.


Can you watch my unicorn this weekend? I have to work my extra job to pay my fine for not having insurance.
 
2013-09-11 05:59:30 PM

MadMattressMack: FTFA:  and millions more so discouraged that they have left the work force altogether.

So how do i become one of those and not be homeless?


This would be my question.
 
2013-09-11 06:00:51 PM
I work for a health care plan, and we get claims and benefit calls from regional US hospitals where the callers are obviously from India. I don't care what they say, I don't believe your name is Steven or Kevin, or that you're not just droning questions from a list. Most of the screwed up claims come from those same companies because someone didn't do their job properly.
 
2013-09-11 06:03:30 PM

kyrg: Hrist: kyrg: Gotta pay for Obama care somehow.

With the money everyone spends on the medical system currently, every man/woman/child could be 100% covered for everything, no insurance companies would be needed, and there'd be plenty of room to spare for profit.  But no.  We pay the most for health care AND have one of the least accessible systems.

Can you watch my unicorn this weekend? I have to work my extra job to pay my fine for not having insurance.


So it's another of those things that works for the rest of the developed world, but someone will fail in the US, because reasons?

Compare how much the US government pays into healthcare compared to governments in other developed nations.
 
2013-09-11 06:04:32 PM
If no-one has a job, no-one can buy your useless shiney baubles no matter how cheaply you can make it.
 
2013-09-11 06:04:53 PM

Corvus: You can hire illegal programmers for $2 an hour?


No, but you can bring over an MSCS on an H1B and pay them $35k/year.
 
2013-09-11 06:05:33 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: MadMattressMack: FTFA:  and millions more so discouraged that they have left the work force altogether.

So how do i become one of those and not be homeless?

This would be my question.


Get elected to Congress.
 
2013-09-11 06:06:28 PM

AngryDragon: The more you eat the more you fart: MadMattressMack: FTFA:  and millions more so discouraged that they have left the work force altogether.

So how do i become one of those and not be homeless?

This would be my question.

Get elected to Congress.


Lol
 
2013-09-11 06:07:45 PM
It's getting to be like a cafe with business and Government... "Order Up".
 
2013-09-11 06:08:23 PM

Raw_fishFood: So... combined with this and the article about how the US is becoming a Banana republic, moving to Europe or New Zealand sounds better and better.


My wife and I have been trying to emigrate for some time now. Both of us have been accepted at jobs in other countries, but in both cases the respective countries rejected the company's petition for an immigrant visa for us. In my case I had over ten years of experience in the job I applied to, the native candidate had none, but the government immigration agency decided that the company "hadn't proven that it suffer hardship" by being forced to hire a totally unqualified native candidate.

In other words, your chances of legally emigrating to somewhere like Europe or NZ are slim and none, and slim just left town. Pity that those governments aren't beholden to hiring cheap foreign labor like the US is.
 
2013-09-11 06:09:18 PM

MadMattressMack: shanrick: Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains.

If by chains you mean the ability to pay for my children's care, my house, new cars, my boat, food, disposable income, and all other manners of nice stuff, then yes, I could lose them.


If you're paying for a boat, the chains aren't your job.
 
2013-09-11 06:10:50 PM
Ah, "would suffer hardship". Still kind of sickened by that letter. I even had two references _from that country_ vouching for me. It meant nothing.
 
2013-09-11 06:12:06 PM

somedude210: johnryan51: Why would they want that? They can hire illegals for 2$ an hour. If there's reform they will have to pay minimum wage.

less scrutiny with legal work, however piss-poor the pay is

I should also point out that union membership is at an all-time low. Maybe if it wasn't and we had representation in the workplace for the worker, we wouldn't be worrying about this shiat.

no, wait, my bad. The companies will just fire you all and hire non-union labor


Unions are for slugs and thugs
 
2013-09-11 06:16:04 PM
disgusting.
 
2013-09-11 06:16:25 PM
Robert Reich had an excellent column on this :
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/romneyism_b_2069095.html
 
2013-09-11 06:17:51 PM
There are plenty of companies out there looking to low-ball people by paying a few dollars below competitive wages.

Looking back the last ten years the cost of living has gone up plenty but some of the companies offering maybe a $1 more an hour for the same level work.
 
2013-09-11 06:19:46 PM

MadMattressMack: FTFA:  and millions more so discouraged that they have left the work force altogether.

So how do i become one of those and not be homeless?


You don't, you may be able to stall eviction and foreclosure for a while or move in with family and friends. If you are unemployed for more than a year, you no longer count as unemployed. Which is funny because pretty much no company will hire someone in that position. It is really horrible and the problem will only get worse. It is not something to envy.
 
2013-09-11 06:19:59 PM
A new immigration law, the corporate officers saywould be a long overdue step toward aligning our nation's immigration policies corporate greed and selfishness with its workforce labor exploitation needs at all skill levels to ensure U.S. global competitiveness  executives, shareholders, and owners can keep their profits high while they spit on the working class

FTFA
 
2013-09-11 06:23:15 PM

zzrhardy: If no-one has a job, no-one can buy your useless shiney baubles no matter how cheaply you can make it.


That's the insidious part. The American market is being phased out. Asia and the Middle East/India are the new markets. The 1% are running this country like a "going out of business sale" because that's exactly what it is. They are taking one last run at her and then they'll leave for greener pastures with all our wealth and resources.

After a couple generations of being a 3rd world shiathole, they'll put their heads back in and ask "Hey, remember how you demanded living wages and safe working conditions? We just wanted to see if you had reconsidered."
 
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