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2013-09-11 04:01:30 PM  
Scientist Matty told Scientist Hatty about a thing she saw
 
2013-09-11 04:18:28 PM  
If only they had evolved zippers.
 
2013-09-11 04:22:38 PM  
Clever headline.
 
2013-09-11 04:44:57 PM  
Interesting thing I learned recently about mammoths.  The Russians are STILL digging them up and harvesting the ivory.  Wouldn't have thought that was a thing, but apparently it is.
 
2013-09-11 04:51:50 PM  
Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.
 
2013-09-11 04:56:37 PM  

Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.


Cause it would be nifty, wouldn't it?  Probably not a good idea.  Thousands of years removed from the planet, I would think they'd be especially prone to disease.
 
2013-09-11 05:03:28 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Scientist Matty told Scientist Hatty about a thing she saw


Goddamnit, now I have that song in my head, and I can't play music at work - where I'm stuck for late shift! ARRGH!
 
2013-09-11 05:13:28 PM  
Begs to differ:


www.bookpalace.com
 
2013-09-11 05:54:50 PM  

ginandbacon: Clever headline.


Wooly Mammoths died out due to global warming
 
2013-09-11 05:55:02 PM  
Humans were there, so humans are responsible. I blame Al Gore.

i1129.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-11 05:56:34 PM  

Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.


Because Fuzzy-Wuzzy Elephants!

www.houghtonmifflinbooks.com
 
2013-09-11 06:14:17 PM  

Tax Boy: Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.

Because Fuzzy-Wuzzy Elephants!


Oh my god. I hope you know where that image is from. That book was like the only thing my 11 year old self read. What's it called?
 
2013-09-11 06:15:15 PM  

lilbjorn: ginandbacon: Clever headline.

Wooly Mammoths died out due to global warming


Um...I got the impression that was  Subby'spoint?
 
2013-09-11 06:16:37 PM  

Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.


Because it would be all kinds of awesome.   Jurassic Park kinds of awesome.
 
2013-09-11 06:19:35 PM  

Riche: Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.

Because it would be all kinds of awesome.   Jurassic Park kinds of awesome.


Wonder how much money someone could raise on Kickstarter for that?
 
2013-09-11 06:36:40 PM  

Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.


To know more about them.  As long as we don't try to clone our smart ancestors then I'm ok with it.
 
2013-09-11 06:44:27 PM  

Riche: Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.

Because it would be all kinds of awesome.   Jurassic Park kinds of awesome.


You say that, but what if it turned out to be disastrous, like Jurassic Park 3?
 
2013-09-11 06:47:32 PM  
I think it might have been more highly localized warming, to a medium rare.
 
2013-09-11 06:52:32 PM  

Tax Boy: Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.

Because Fuzzy-Wuzzy Elephants!

[www.houghtonmifflinbooks.com image 190x95]


This is a pic from "The Way Things Work", by David Macaulay.
 
2013-09-11 07:00:24 PM  
Meh. I'd rather they brought back the  thylacine or the dodo. Ones that really are humans fault.
 
2013-09-11 07:01:08 PM  
Does anybody remember an old classroom game, kinda like Oregon Trail, where the goal was to hunt mammoths?  I vaguely remember the details... I do remember that you could choose to either pick berries or hunt for mammoth each day.  The first option would provide a small amount of food but was more dependable, the second provided a lot of food but was harder.
 
2013-09-11 07:01:45 PM  

FarkingReading: Begs to differ:


[www.bookpalace.com image 750x495]


Check out the psycho hacking away at the trunk. Even the mammoth is like "WTF man".
 
2013-09-11 07:03:53 PM  

Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.


Mammoth braised ribs.
 
2013-09-11 07:05:44 PM  

CygnusDarius: Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.

Mammoth braised ribs.


So we can kill them for the ivory!
 
2013-09-11 07:12:00 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Does anybody remember an old classroom game, kinda like Oregon Trail, where the goal was to hunt mammoths?  I vaguely remember the details... I do remember that you could choose to either pick berries or hunt for mammoth each day.  The first option would provide a small amount of food but was more dependable, the second provided a lot of food but was harder.


Unless you're playing for money, I can't even imagine the kind of kids who would choose to pick berries. They should earmark their files as destined for careers in middle management.
 
2013-09-11 07:18:14 PM  
Yesterday's article said it was a large meteor going boom over North America that did them in.
 
2013-09-11 07:18:37 PM  

Pinner: CygnusDarius: Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.

Mammoth braised ribs.

So we can kill them for the ivory!


And getting massive woolly clothes.

/It's a little sad that we might actually resurrect an animal just so we can mass-produce it, put them in massive farms, and kill them
 
2013-09-11 07:23:23 PM  

CygnusDarius: Pinner: CygnusDarius: Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.

Mammoth braised ribs.

So we can kill them for the ivory!

And getting massive woolly clothes.

/It's a little sad that we might actually resurrect an animal just so we can mass-produce it, put them in massive farms, and kill them


Yeah, and...?
I like the ribs idea. I need a new massive smoker anyway. And a woolly coat? Awesome! But probably super heavy.

Kidding aside, we already mass produce our meat. Maybe for specialty restaurants though... and finish the meal with cat shiat coffee.
 
2013-09-11 07:33:27 PM  

Yes please: Riche: Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.

Because it would be all kinds of awesome.   Jurassic Park kinds of awesome.

You say that, but what if it turned out to be disastrous, like Jurassic Park 3?


There always be crazy people who will pay stupid amounts of money for incredibly rare meat

www.wearysloth.com

Foodies..uh...will...um...find a...er...way
 
2013-09-11 07:37:28 PM  

CygnusDarius: we might actually resurrect an animal just so we can mass-produce it, put them in massive farms, and kill them



Imokwiththis.jpg
 
2013-09-11 07:45:27 PM  

Mega Steve: Yes please: Riche: Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.

Because it would be all kinds of awesome.   Jurassic Park kinds of awesome.

You say that, but what if it turned out to be disastrous, like Jurassic Park 3?

There always be crazy people who will pay stupid amounts of money for incredibly rare meat

[www.wearysloth.com image 320x240]

Foodies..uh...will...um...find a...er...way


Oh, yeah. Oooh, ahhh, that's how it always starts. Then later there's running and screaming.
 
2013-09-11 08:11:51 PM  
I've known some derpers whose heads would explode over this story.  They scoff at any suggestion that human behavior affects, well, anything, or that climate change happens, or that it can have any negative outcomes when it does.

So they'd be trapped between either "climate change can carry consequences" or "human activity can have an impact."
 
2013-09-11 08:14:58 PM  

Yes please: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Does anybody remember an old classroom game, kinda like Oregon Trail, where the goal was to hunt mammoths?  I vaguely remember the details... I do remember that you could choose to either pick berries or hunt for mammoth each day.  The first option would provide a small amount of food but was more dependable, the second provided a lot of food but was harder.

Unless you're playing for money, I can't even imagine the kind of kids who would choose to pick berries. They should earmark their files as destined for careers in middle management.


I don't remember the particulars of the game, but there were times when you had no choice.
 
2013-09-11 08:22:02 PM  

Kibbler: I've known some derpers whose heads would explode over this story.  They scoff at any suggestion that human behavior affects, well, anything, or that climate change happens, or that it can have any negative outcomes when it does.

So they'd be trapped between either "climate change can carry consequences" or "human activity can have an impact."


Why?  That story does not imply that cavemen were causing the global warming... In fact, quite the opposite....  You're the one's head who should be exploding right about now.
 
2013-09-11 08:22:07 PM  

Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.


I'm gonna have to quote cave johnson on this one.

"Science isn't about why. It's about why not!"
 
2013-09-11 08:33:10 PM  

T.rex: Why? That story does not imply that cavemen were causing the global warming... In fact, quite the opposite.... You're the one's head who should be exploding right about now.


It doesn't mean it's not true!
 
2013-09-11 08:44:13 PM  
Also begs to differ:

theeatenpath.com
 
2013-09-11 09:39:44 PM  
Not necessarily.

What if it was man-made global warming that killed the mammoth? Did anyone think about that?
 
2013-09-11 10:18:29 PM  

nekom: Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.

Cause it would be nifty, wouldn't it?  Probably not a good idea.  Thousands of years removed from the planet, I would think they'd be especially prone to disease.




The bigger problem is their place in the natural landscape no longer exists.
Bringing them back to the modern world would make them a invasive species, assuming we can find an environment suited to their needs.
You'd have to bring back a host of other mega fauna, predators, and vegetation to undo the damage that wiped them out from the start.

As it is they could only be kept in a zoo.
 
2013-09-11 10:21:09 PM  

CygnusDarius: Pinner: CygnusDarius: Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.

Mammoth braised ribs.

So we can kill them for the ivory!

And getting massive woolly clothes.

/It's a little sad that we might actually resurrect an animal just so we can mass-produce it, put them in massive farms, and kill them


As an aside--most mammoths were NOT horribly furry, and there's evidence to suggest even the furry ones were only really furry in winter and would blow their coats in summer.  (We describe one species as the "wooly mammoth" because it's one of the few that IS known to have a winter coat.)

That said--it'd be damned neat to resurrect them so we can learn more about them--it'd be particularly cool to verify just how close they are behaviourally to Asian elephants and it'd be neat to see a Beringian Elephant walking the earth again.  (Asian elephants are the closest living relatives of mammoths--enough that had mammoths survived to the time of Linnaeus, they'd likely have been classified as an American elephant and it's entirely possible they'd be classified in the same clade as Asian elephants; skeletons of dwarf mammoths HAVE been confused for Asian elephants and vice versa, and it's sometimes taken DNA testing to sort out.  As it is, they do seem to be close enough it's felt that Asian elephants can probably carry a cloned mammoth to term.)

I don't know about elephants (including mammoths) being particularly tasty, but I expect people liked to hunt them because it was "holy crap one animal can feed the entire tribe for a good while".
 
2013-09-11 11:17:29 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: I don't know about elephants (including mammoths) being particularly tasty, but I expect people liked to hunt them because it was "holy crap one animal can feed the entire tribe for a good while".


If mammoths are anything like modern elephants, I'll bet that the meat would be really really tough (especially on the legs).  Elephants live 40 or 50 years---gamey as hell probably.

But maybe it would make really outstanding slow-cooked dishes, like pit-barbecue or stew.  I wonder what the traditional dishes are for elephant in Africa......
 
2013-09-11 11:24:18 PM  
They weren't driving electric cars. It's obviously MMGW.
 
2013-09-11 11:26:32 PM  
I love that this has turned into a food thread!
 
2013-09-11 11:28:20 PM  

CygnusDarius: Pinner: CygnusDarius: Tom_Slick: Why are scientists trying so hard to clone one?  I really don't understand the reasoning behind cloning an extinct species.

Mammoth braised ribs.

So we can kill them for the ivory!

And getting massive woolly clothes.

/It's a little sad that we might actually resurrect an animal just so we can mass-produce it, put them in massive farms, and kill them


Kinda like meeting interesting and stimulating people of an ancient culture, then killing them?

filmdope.com
 
2013-09-11 11:28:44 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Great Porn Dragon: I don't know about elephants (including mammoths) being particularly tasty, but I expect people liked to hunt them because it was "holy crap one animal can feed the entire tribe for a good while".

If mammoths are anything like modern elephants, I'll bet that the meat would be really really tough (especially on the legs).  Elephants live 40 or 50 years---gamey as hell probably.

But maybe it would make really outstanding slow-cooked dishes, like pit-barbecue or stew.  I wonder what the traditional dishes are for elephant in Africa......


...and a quick trip through the Googles says that pit-roasted elephant foot is apparently a huge delicacy(the sole peels right off when it's done, and a set of feet is a yummy meal for 50 men after the hunt!), and that one elephant can feed a village of ~240 people for a month.  It's lean, and tastes kind of like moose or elk.

I'll bet it could make excellent sausages.
 
2013-09-11 11:30:31 PM  

nekom: Interesting thing I learned recently about mammoths. The Russians are STILL digging them up and harvesting the ivory. Wouldn't have thought that was a thing, but apparently it is.


Yeah, apparently, the melting of ice sheets and permafrost are making them easier and easier to find.

When I was a kid, my father told me that they weren't just digging them up for the ivory but also for the meat (which was basically flash-frozen), but I have no proof of that.
 
2013-09-11 11:35:08 PM  

FarkingReading: Begs to differ:


[www.bookpalace.com image 750x495]


Well groomed hunters, those.
 
2013-09-12 02:01:39 AM  
So they froze to death because of global warming.

Got it.
 
2013-09-12 04:30:19 AM  

Bonzo_1116: Great Porn Dragon: I don't know about elephants (including mammoths) being particularly tasty, but I expect people liked to hunt them because it was "holy crap one animal can feed the entire tribe for a good while".

If mammoths are anything like modern elephants, I'll bet that the meat would be really really tough (especially on the legs).  Elephants live 40 or 50 years---gamey as hell probably.

But maybe it would make really outstanding slow-cooked dishes, like pit-barbecue or stew.  I wonder what the traditional dishes are for elephant in Africa......


If Humans only hunted the very young Mammoths, their impact on a slow reproducing species could be significant.
 
2013-09-12 05:08:37 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: it'd be particularly cool to verify just how close they are behaviourally to Asian elephants


Resurrecting a species to see how they behaved? You can't be serious... There wouldn't be a mature herd so there wouldn't be any knowledge transfer from the old to the young, there wouldn't be socialisation, there wouldn't be any of the original surroundings and there sure as hell won't be any kind of reference to correct for those issues.

You might as well stick a few newborn children in a dark room without any outside input (except for food of course) for a few years to check if Latin or Greek is the native language of humanity.
 
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