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(Guardian)   You're cool if the NSA shares all your information with Israel, right?   (theguardian.com) divider line 104
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2013-09-11 01:27:30 PM
Why does the Guardian article contradict the source document they're using to make their claim?
 
2013-09-11 02:07:42 PM
Of course; Israel is a trusted ally and a valued friend of America.

/this post has been brought to you by AIPAC
 
2013-09-11 02:28:57 PM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-09-11 02:30:00 PM
*wait*
stop building new settlements,  assh*les
*carry on.*
 
2013-09-11 02:30:14 PM
I'm sure Israeli businesses will find that information useful.
 
2013-09-11 02:34:41 PM
Sure.  But why would Israel care if I performed 2437 searches for "big ass" porn?


/In the last month
 
2013-09-11 02:42:33 PM

James!: Why does the Guardian article contradict the source document they're using to make their claim?


You sound concerned.  But not about us.
 
2013-09-11 02:51:58 PM

Marcus Aurelius: James!: Why does the Guardian article contradict the source document they're using to make their claim?

You sound concerned.  But not about us.


Just follow the link to the document that the Guardian is citing.
 
2013-09-11 03:07:51 PM

UberDave: Sure.  But why would Israel care if I performed 2437 searches for "big ass" porn?


/In the last month


Says here you left out "tranny".
 
2013-09-11 03:08:37 PM
Hey Israel,

Don't be surprised when someone gets sick of your shiat and has to tell you twice.

Love,

Uncle Sam
 
2013-09-11 03:09:00 PM
Better Israel than Saudi Arabia or France.
 
2013-09-11 03:10:37 PM
Wait, you mean friendly nations share information with each other AND also spy on each other?!
 
2013-09-11 03:10:51 PM
Does it matter if I'm not cool with it? Will they not do it, then?

I didn't think so.
 
2013-09-11 03:10:52 PM
Since they already did it, my caring at this point is pretty irrelevant.
 
2013-09-11 03:11:56 PM

James!: Why does the Guardian article contradict the source document they're using to make their claim?


Happening in a lot of Guardian articles about the NSA for the last few years. Apparently, they discovered that nobody cares.
 
2013-09-11 03:12:15 PM
EkimProx


Better Israel than Saudi Arabia or France.

I am pretty sure they are on the list, just have yet to be identified.
 
2013-09-11 03:12:28 PM
Yes.

They will, after review, laugh at my bank balance, wonder how/why I ever married such a dick as my ex turned out to be, find out I have too many brownies in my freezer*, and know I pay my bills on time.

If they want to be bored to freaking death, fine.

*the kind of brownies you eat, not the baby girl scout kind

(OK, if any of you want to eat the baby girl scout kind, seek help, that's just ewwww)
 
2013-09-11 03:12:39 PM
That's creepy, they are not beholden to any of our pesky privacy laws or rights to be secure in our "papers" either, so that's nice...
 
2013-09-11 03:13:04 PM
I wonder if Israel shares it with the global Jewish banking cabal.
 
2013-09-11 03:13:45 PM
The Jews are truly our greatest ally
 
2013-09-11 03:14:15 PM
is it on a flash drive? i would prefer we give them a hard copy.
 
2013-09-11 03:14:22 PM
fine by me.
 
2013-09-11 03:14:44 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: UberDave: Sure.  But why would Israel care if I performed 2437 searches for "big ass" porn?


/In the last month

Says here you left out "tranny".


That had to do with a damaged torque converter!  I swear!
 
2013-09-11 03:14:48 PM
Are they after my latke recipe or my blintz recipe? Cos I don't really make any precise measurements with the blintz recipe and it pisses people off.
 
2013-09-11 03:15:10 PM
Loopholes, how do they work?
 
2013-09-11 03:15:21 PM
UberDave: Sure.  But why would Israel care if I performed 2437 searches for "big ass" porn?


/In the last month

>> in case you ever run for political office, they'll have a good file built up on you, so they can blackmail you if you don't vote the way you're supposed to. Just like what is done for most of our current legislators.
 
2013-09-11 03:15:26 PM

Headso: That's creepy, they are not beholden to any of our pesky privacy laws or rights to be secure in our "papers" either, so that's nice...


Except they are beholden to a professional and legal code of silence that bars them from using and/or passing that information to others. You know, the same code that Edward Snowden broke before he defected to Russia.
 
2013-09-11 03:16:09 PM
Goddamn it so much.
 
2013-09-11 03:16:27 PM
Could I get that Latkes recipe.
 
2013-09-11 03:17:15 PM
Thanks, Obama!

and Bush!
 
2013-09-11 03:17:59 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: UberDave: Sure.  But why would Israel care if I performed 2437 searches for "big ass" porn?


/In the last month

Says here you left out "tranny".



And 'midget'.
 
2013-09-11 03:18:20 PM
Our 51st state.
 
2013-09-11 03:18:34 PM
by Glenn Greenwald...

0-media-cdn.foolz.us

That guy gives pathological narcissism a bad name.
 
2013-09-11 03:19:45 PM

EkimProx: Better Israel than Saudi Arabia or France.


Page 1 of the document the article links to.

ISNU also recognizes that NSA has agreements with Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom...
 
2013-09-11 03:20:17 PM

JohnAnnArbor: by Glenn Greenwald...

[0-media-cdn.foolz.us image 250x272]

That guy gives pathological narcissism a bad name.


What? Just because he supported the Oathkeepers using Snowden's face on one of their ads in no way proves that he's using people to become internet famous.
 
2013-09-11 03:22:52 PM

James!: Why does the Guardian article contradict the source document they're using to make their claim?


Hmmm how exactly? I'm not seeing it.
 
2013-09-11 03:23:32 PM
But will they respect us in the morning? LOL

FTFA:

The five-page memorandum, termed an agreement between the US and Israeli intelligence agencies "pertaining to the protection of US persons", repeatedly stresses the constitutional rights of Americans to privacy and the need for Israeli intelligence staff to respect these rights.

But this is undermined by the disclosure that Israel is allowed to receive "raw Sigint" - signal intelligence. The memorandum says: "Raw Sigint includes, but is not limited to, unevaluated and unminimized transcripts, gists, facsimiles, telex, voice and Digital Network Intelligence metadata and content."
 
2013-09-11 03:25:41 PM
Hey Israel,

I just did a GIS for "Girls of the IDF" with all the filters off.

Pretty "meh," Israel.

/Bring it.
 
2013-09-11 03:27:23 PM

Tellingthem: James!: Why does the Guardian article contradict the source document they're using to make their claim?

Hmmm how exactly? I'm not seeing it.


The NSA isn't freely dumping information to Israel.  There is an entire review process for information that may have info pertaining to citizens and it's outlined in the document that the Guardian is using as its source.
 
2013-09-11 03:28:33 PM

JohnAnnArbor: by Glenn Greenwald...

[0-media-cdn.foolz.us image 250x272]

That guy gives pathological narcissism a bad name.


Yes, narcissism, that's it.
 
2013-09-11 03:32:05 PM

WTF Indeed: Headso: That's creepy, they are not beholden to any of our pesky privacy laws or rights to be secure in our "papers" either, so that's nice...

Except they are beholden to a professional and legal code of silence that bars them from using and/or passing that information to others. You know, the same code that Edward Snowden broke before he defected to Russia.


So you're saying this code is essentially useless.
 
2013-09-11 03:32:59 PM

WTF Indeed: Headso: That's creepy, they are not beholden to any of our pesky privacy laws or rights to be secure in our "papers" either, so that's nice...

Except they are beholden to a professional and legal code of silence that bars them from using and/or passing that information to others. You know, the same code that Edward Snowden broke before he defected to Russia.


some how I doubt they'll break the "ethical code" to warn people about spying on Americans and might break it to invade privacy instead.
 
2013-09-11 03:33:05 PM
I think this has already been said on the thread, but what the article and the headline is implying seems to be the opposite of what the memo is stating. Also, the memo states we have similar agreements with the UK and most of its former colonies.

I'm having trouble finding outrage here...
 
2013-09-11 03:34:41 PM

James!: Marcus Aurelius: James!: Why does the Guardian article contradict the source document they're using to make their claim?

You sound concerned.  But not about us.

Just follow the link to the document that the Guardian is citing.


You want me to read the article AND the source material?

I'm not getting paid enough for that.
 
2013-09-11 03:36:31 PM

WTF Indeed: Headso: That's creepy, they are not beholden to any of our pesky privacy laws or rights to be secure in our "papers" either, so that's nice...

Except they are beholden to a professional and legal code of silence that bars them from using and/or passing that information to others. You know, the same code that Edward Snowden broke before he defected to Russia.


But that's the point

If an American entity misuses NSA data, you at least have a (hypothetical) chance of holding them to account - damages lawsuit etc.

Best of luck if Israeli action harms you
 
2013-09-11 03:37:18 PM

James!: Tellingthem: James!: Why does the Guardian article contradict the source document they're using to make their claim?

Hmmm how exactly? I'm not seeing it.

The NSA isn't freely dumping information to Israel.  There is an entire review process for information that may have info pertaining to citizens and it's outlined in the document that the Guardian is using as its source.


including, but not limited to. Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) technology and equipment and raw SIGINT data signals intelligence information that has not been reviewed for foreign intelligence purposes or minimized)

This agreement will apply to any SIGINT raw traffic, technology, or enabling that NSA mayprovide to ISNU. REL)

Raw SIGINT is any SIGINT acquired either as a result of search and development, or targeted collection operations against a particular foreign intelligence target before the information has been evaluated for foreign intelligence and minimized. Raw SIGINT includes, but is not limited to, unevaluated and unminimized transcripts, gists. facsimiles, telex, voice and Digital Network Intelligence (DNI) metadata andcontent.

- Minimization is the process used to determine whether U.S. person information encountered in raw SIGINT is essential to assess or understand the significance of the foreign intelligence.

But in that document it states that it can include raw and not reviewed intelligence? So unless I missed something how is it wrong?
 
2013-09-11 03:40:21 PM
Israel has no principles or morals so don't think the data stops there.

I don't understand how the US cozies up to one of the worlds worst pariah states. If Israel used chemical weapons in Palestine... we'd blame the Palestinians and bomb the crap out of them.
 
2013-09-11 03:41:13 PM

Headso: some how I doubt they'll break the "ethical code" to warn people about spying on Americans and might break it to invade privacy instead.


You are aware that Israel spies on Americans, American companies, and the American government? Just like every other major US ally does?
 
2013-09-11 03:41:39 PM

UberDave: Sure.  But why would Israel care if I performed 2437 searches for "big ass" porn?


/In the last month


So they can start sending you targeted spam for Discount c1rCUMc1510N!!! and "MEET HOT WOMEN" on Jdate.
 
2013-09-11 03:41:41 PM
CleanAndPure:

If Israel used chemical weapons in Palestine... we'd blame the Palestinians and bomb the crap out of them.

we would? that doesn't sound fair.
 
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