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(The Atlantic Wire)   Newly released documents show NSA's official response to the FISA court after a finding they were massively violating federal law and the Constitution was: Gee fellas, we were stealing so much data even WE didn't know what we had   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 31
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2013-09-11 12:10:18 PM
Obama must be held accountable.
 
2013-09-11 12:22:32 PM
The Director of National Intelligence has a Tumblr?
 
2013-09-11 12:24:31 PM
"massive overhaul of the agency's collection of phone metadata in 2009"

New Boss distinctly different from the Old Boss.
 
2013-09-11 12:51:01 PM

James!: "massive overhaul of the agency's collection of phone metadata in 2009"

New Boss distinctly different from the Old Boss.


I keep waiting for him to be wrong, but thus far he's like farking Nostradamus.

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2013-09-11 01:28:55 PM
So we're cool right?
 
2013-09-11 01:30:59 PM
I'm gonna start holding my breath.

Let me know when anyone is prosecuted and jailed for this crime against, well, pretty much everyone.....
 
2013-09-11 01:33:07 PM

Irving Maimway: James!: "massive overhaul of the agency's collection of phone metadata in 2009"

New Boss distinctly different from the Old Boss.

I keep waiting for him to be wrong, but thus far he's like farking Nostradamus.

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My point is that these violations were stopped after the 2009 overhaul.
 
2013-09-11 01:33:50 PM
I KNEW ceiling cat was working for the government.
 
2013-09-11 01:34:39 PM

James!: "massive overhaul of the agency's collection of phone metadata in 2009"

New Boss distinctly different from the Old Boss.


More like they were streamlining the data they were illegally obtaining.
 
2013-09-11 01:37:09 PM
Andrew Lloyd Weber?
 
2013-09-11 01:37:13 PM

Fano: James!: "massive overhaul of the agency's collection of phone metadata in 2009"

New Boss distinctly different from the Old Boss.

More like they were streamlining the data they were illegally obtaining.


No doubt sending it directly to the reverse-vampires.
 
2013-09-11 01:37:51 PM
I don't see anything wrong with the headline
 
2013-09-11 01:50:31 PM
So they were monitoring 17,000 phone numbers, 16,000 of which they shouldn't have, and their excuse is that the PHBs couldn't keep up with the thingamabobs and doohickies?But we have their assurance that everything's now cool and they even promise to give us more details, when acceptable. I am so relieved. to hear th....Fark it! Can't finish writing this with a straight face.
 
rpm
2013-09-11 02:06:17 PM

James!: My point is that these violations were stopped after the 2009 overhaul.


Right, that's why they told Israel to ignore communications from US Government officials that were shipped to them starting in 2009.
 
2013-09-11 02:10:02 PM

Flab: So they were monitoring 17,000 phone numbers, 16,000 of which they shouldn't have, and their excuse is that the PHBs couldn't keep up with the thingamabobs and doohickies?But we have their assurance that everything's now cool and they even promise to give us more details, when acceptable. I am so relieved. to hear th....Fark it! Can't finish writing this with a straight face.


"Sure, back in '01 and then again in '05 and '07 we asked you to just trust us, we knew what we were doing, and that's what burned you. But we fixed it. Trust us. We know what we're doing."
 
2013-09-11 02:28:23 PM

unlikely: Obama must be held accountable.


That's.... unlikely.
 
2013-09-11 02:33:48 PM
Translation for tech-idiots - Complex automated algorithms were assigning too many follow tags to phone data and 'some' of those were American.

Thankfully someone has bunched 1000 pages of documents into one easy to be outraged about misunderstanding;

There was nobody in NSA who really had a full understanding of how the program was operating at the time."  That's an intelligence official's one-line summary of thousands of documents

This paragraph is a bit of a Debbie Downer to people who want to run on conspiracy theories alone;

Officials were quick to note that the violations were unintentional and the problem has since been remedied. A substantial part of the DNI's letter explaining the release of the documents is predicated on exhaustively articulating that response. Among the fixes: "making technological fixes, improving training, and implementing new oversight procedures." The DNI also explains how the technology got out ahead of the ability of staff to understand how it exceeded authorization. "NSA also recognized that its compliance and oversight infrastructure had not kept pace with its operational momentum and the evolving and challenging technological environment in which it functioned."
 
2013-09-11 02:35:17 PM
federal alw?
 
2013-09-11 02:49:38 PM
Now all we need is a machine capable of processing all of that data and throwing out whatever is irrelevant.
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2013-09-11 03:04:52 PM

jjwars1: federal alw?


sixpacktech.com
 
2013-09-11 04:02:27 PM
FTFA:  Only about 10% of the calls followed were legal.  That's almost a 90% failure rate.  That's unfathomably bad, even for government work.

How is "technology got in front of our ability to understand it" an acceptable excuse?  We didn't know it was illegal, but we're getting better.  Imagine trying to use that as an individual in a court of law.

Didn't one of the top guys lie to Congress not to long ago about this?  Isn't that a jailable offense?
 
2013-09-11 04:23:30 PM

James!: Irving Maimway: James!: "massive overhaul of the agency's collection of phone metadata in 2009"

New Boss distinctly different from the Old Boss.

I keep waiting for him to be wrong, but thus far he's like farking Nostradamus.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 320x338]

My point is that these violations were stopped after the 2009 overhaul.


That's so cute. I'd put it somewhere between amazingly naive and pants-on-head stupid. But cute.
 
2013-09-11 04:32:18 PM
So where are all the derps that have been saying this stuff was all on the up and up and that if you were concerned about this you were just being a paranoid whacko?
 
2013-09-11 04:40:57 PM

nocturnal001: So where are all the derps that have been saying this stuff was all on the up and up and that if you were concerned about this you were just being a paranoid whacko?


Researching encryption software.
 
2013-09-11 04:46:42 PM

lysdexic: I don't see anything wrong with the headline


Great, I've snorted so loud, I'm sure the office knows I'm not working.
 
2013-09-11 04:52:59 PM

Flab: So they were monitoring 17,000 phone numbers, 16,000 of which they shouldn't have, and their excuse is that the PHBs couldn't keep up with the thingamabobs and doohickies?But we have their assurance that everything's now cool and they even promise to give us more details, when acceptable. I am so relieved. to hear th....Fark it! Can't finish writing this with a straight face.


After the Utah center is completed, you can multiply those figures by a power of ten.

Makes one feel safe that big brother is on top of the problem.

And collecting private evidence every day to use against you in secret court.
 
2013-09-11 05:07:45 PM

mjbok: FTFA: Only about 10% of the calls followed were legal. That's almost a 90% failure rate. That's unfathomably bad, even for government work.


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2013-09-11 06:37:51 PM
Remember how the prez assured us that the special courts were watching out for and preventing abuse? So how come this kind of crap was happening for years and nobody seems to have noticed until it got spilled in the press? Looks to me like the 'watchdogs' only knew what the NSA felt like telling them. And where were the members of Congress who supposedly are briefed on what the NSA is doing and were supposed to keep the NSA in line? Some oversight.
 
2013-09-11 07:05:09 PM
Step 1: Get power.
Step 2: Identify political enemies.
Step 3: Illegally search any and all correspondence from and between political enemies for "suspicious" activity.
Step 4: Use illegal search to identify other means to legally exploit suspicious activity.
Step 5: Arrest and prosecute all opposition using "legal" means (which were found illegally).
Step 6: Profit.
 
2013-09-12 12:43:32 AM

nocturnal001: So where are all the derps that have been saying this stuff was all on the up and up and that if you were concerned about this you were just being a paranoid whacko?


If this is the result of snowdens data dump, suddenly I'm a bit appreciative of his efforts.
 
2013-09-12 01:14:48 AM

jjorsett: Remember how the prez assured us that the special courts were watching out for and preventing abuse? So how come this kind of crap was happening for years and nobody seems to have noticed until it got spilled in the press? Looks to me like the 'watchdogs' only knew what the NSA felt like telling them. And where were the members of Congress who supposedly are briefed on what the NSA is doing and were supposed to keep the NSA in line? Some oversight.


Oversight? Two options. One, Congress can only oversee what it is told exists. Two, as covered in my Native American Law class, Crow Dog ex parte basically said that Congress didn't give themselves the ability to enforce laws on reservations and thus Crow Dog could not be prosecuted for murder under Constitutional laws. However Congress could decide to go beyond the Constitution if they so desired. This was sort of a SCOTUS handwaving to cover the fact that "dependent sovereignties" and pretty much everything Congress did from the Louisiana Purchase onward had exceeded Constitutional authority.

After that came out in class suddenly everything else since the 1880's made sense. Nothing taught in high school is actually true. It's one reason young people don't vote. They see that the system as presented by authorities is nonexistent. Nobody plays by the rules. In fact modern society demands a government that goes far beyond the Constitution. In practice it is just there to placate the masses. It is like votes in Congress. Nothing gets voted on without everyone knowing the outcome beforehand. The debates, the votes are all for show. A bill's fate is known as soon as the committee chair allows it to be voted out of committee.

I'm just pissed that they keep up the pretenses and cling to their hypocrisy. Do away with the smoke and mirrors and let us all see what has been wrought in our name.
 
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