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2013-09-11 12:04:38 PM
Boo farkin hoo. They'll live.

According to theTimes, billionaire David H. Koch and his wife Julia each contributed $145,000 to a PAC run by Lhota allies last week.

Infamous right-wing backer chooses to donate to a Republican PAC. STOP THE PRESSES!

"This tale is nothing more than class warfare," Mr. Lhotatold supporters Tuesday night.

It's only class warfare when the lower classes fight back.
 
2013-09-11 12:08:37 PM
This election will be awesome.
 
2013-09-11 12:09:29 PM
People seem to forget that 30 years ago New York City was a complete hellhole, full of scum and punks and gangs that would rob you of your money night and day. In short, NYC was a city full of scum-sucking assholes and robbers who leeched off society and brought out the worst in humanity.

It's nice to know that has all changed.

Don't forget that when you go to vote.
 
2013-09-11 12:11:42 PM

bdub77: People seem to forget that 30 years ago New York City was a complete hellhole, full of scum and punks and gangs that would rob you of your money night and day. In short, NYC was a city full of scum-sucking assholes and robbers who leeched off society and brought out the worst in humanity.

It's nice to know that has all changed.

Don't forget that when you go to vote.


What does that have to do with the article? Surely you're not suggesting that creating favorable conditions for the rich at the expense of the lower classes reduces crime.
 
2013-09-11 12:11:52 PM
Someone mentioned it in last night's Weiner thread, but in the primary Lhota, who led the GOP ticket, received 29,775, less than 5th place Weigher in the Democratic race.  De Blasio received more than 258,000 votes.

I hope that the overwhelmingly Democratic support turns out in the actual race.  This De Blasio guy is starting to sound pretty good.
 
2013-09-11 12:21:41 PM
"class warfare." LOL. the knee-jerk response of any one-percenter who's just been reminded how the game is rigged in his favor.

yawn.
 
2013-09-11 12:34:55 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Someone mentioned it in last night's Weiner thread, but in the primary Lhota, who led the GOP ticket, received 29,775, less than 5th place Weigher in the Democratic race.  De Blasio received more than 258,000 votes.

I hope that the overwhelmingly Democratic support turns out in the actual race.  This De Blasio guy is starting to sound pretty good.


It is weird that with numbers like this no Democrat has won the NY mayors race in almost 20 years.
 
2013-09-11 12:55:22 PM

bdub77: In short, NYC was a city full of scum-sucking assholes and robbers who leeched off society and brought out the worst in humanity.


It still is...they just work on Wall Street and donate to the GOP
 
2013-09-11 12:55:31 PM

bdub77: People seem to forget that 30 years ago New York City was a complete hellhole, full of scum and punks and gangs that would rob you of your money night and day. In short, NYC was a city full of scum-sucking assholes and robbers who leeched off society and brought out the worst in humanity.

It's nice to know that has all changed.


Don't forget that when you go to vote.



What do you mean it's changed?  Wall Street is still there.
 
2013-09-11 12:56:38 PM

DamnYankees: TuteTibiImperes: Someone mentioned it in last night's Weiner thread, but in the primary Lhota, who led the GOP ticket, received 29,775, less than 5th place Weigher in the Democratic race.  De Blasio received more than 258,000 votes.

I hope that the overwhelmingly Democratic support turns out in the actual race.  This De Blasio guy is starting to sound pretty good.

It is weird that with numbers like this no Democrat has won the NY mayors race in almost 20 years.


Well to be fair, 12 of those years are bad data, skewed by nanny bloomberg outspending everyone 20 to 1 and then getting them to change the laws so that he could be emperor for a third term. Before that was Giuliani, and before that was no Republicans for what? 28 years?
 
2013-09-11 01:02:29 PM
To be fair, De Blasio's son has a VERY aggressive afro.  He should be thankful that he doesn't live in Florida.
 
2013-09-11 01:05:35 PM

Aar1012: bdub77: In short, NYC was a city full of scum-sucking assholes and robbers who leeched off society and brought out the worst in humanity.

It still is...they just work on Wall Street and donate to the GOP


That's the, um, joke.

/ jump, you farkers
 
2013-09-11 01:05:38 PM
Of all the things that could possibly happen, this is the. Worst. Possible. Thing!

/ fetch my fainting couch and the smelling salts, Sebastian.
 
2013-09-11 01:06:57 PM
Hey, subby, you misspelled "oligarh".
 
2013-09-11 01:07:39 PM
Well maybe if the rent wasn't too damn high, this wouldn't happen.
 
2013-09-11 01:08:20 PM

bdub77: People seem to forget that 30 years ago New York City was a complete hellhole, full of scum and punks and gangs that would rob you of your money night and day. In short, NYC was a city full of scum-sucking assholes and robbers who leeched off society and brought out the worst in humanity.

It's nice to know that has all changed.

Don't forget that when you go to vote.


So you want us to vote for David Dinkins?
 
2013-09-11 01:09:11 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

No one has yet corrected submitter's misspelling of "oligarh"?
 
2013-09-11 01:09:47 PM

theorellior: Hey, subby, you misspelled "oligarh".


I shall forever hold a grudge.

/Or at least until another twenty-six minutes.
 
2013-09-11 01:10:00 PM

dionysusaur: Aar1012: bdub77: In short, NYC was a city full of scum-sucking assholes and robbers who leeched off society and brought out the worst in humanity.

It still is...they just work on Wall Street and donate to the GOP

That's the, um, joke.

/ jump, you farkers


*tips hat* Cmon farkers I expect more from you!
 
2013-09-11 01:13:00 PM
once people actually start killing 1%ers you can call it class warfare until then it's just groups of people looking out for their financial interests.
 
2013-09-11 01:13:07 PM

Car_Ramrod: bdub77: People seem to forget that 30 years ago New York City was a complete hellhole, full of scum and punks and gangs that would rob you of your money night and day. In short, NYC was a city full of scum-sucking assholes and robbers who leeched off society and brought out the worst in humanity.

It's nice to know that has all changed.

Don't forget that when you go to vote.

What does that have to do with the article? Surely you're not suggesting that creating favorable conditions for the rich at the expense of the lower classes reduces crime.


He was... and stop calling him Shirley.
 
2013-09-11 01:13:41 PM

uknesvuinng: bdub77: People seem to forget that 30 years ago New York City was a complete hellhole, full of scum and punks and gangs that would rob you of your money night and day. In short, NYC was a city full of scum-sucking assholes and robbers who leeched off society and brought out the worst in humanity.

It's nice to know that has all changed.

Don't forget that when you go to vote.


What do you mean it's changed?  Wall Street is still there.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_Stat es
 
2013-09-11 01:13:46 PM

bdub77: dionysusaur: Aar1012: bdub77: In short, NYC was a city full of scum-sucking assholes and robbers who leeched off society and brought out the worst in humanity.

It still is...they just work on Wall Street and donate to the GOP

That's the, um, joke.

/ jump, you farkers

*tips hat* Cmon farkers I expect more from you!


Sadly, part of me thought it was but I decided to say something anyway
 
2013-09-11 01:14:45 PM

bdub77: People seem to forget that 30 years ago New York City was a complete hellhole, full of scum and punks and gangs that would rob you of your money night and day. In short, NYC was a city full of scum-sucking assholes and robbers who leeched off society and brought out the worst in humanity.

It's nice to know that has all changed.

Don't forget that when you go to vote.


I was never robbed, and I grew up in NYC 30 years ago. The changes that Guiliani brought were cosmetic, and NYC just happened to benefit from national trends that caused crime to decrease nationwide, trends brought about from multitudinous reasons from the removal of lead from the environment to the availability of abortion. For the most part conservatives just took credit for changes that took root long before they took office.
 
2013-09-11 01:15:52 PM
So instead of amassing five times as much money they could possibly spend this year, they'll only be able to amass four times as much.

cdn.bikechatforums.com
 
2013-09-11 01:16:36 PM

Dimensio: No one has yet corrected submitter's misspelling of "oligarh"?


I've always wondered why he didn't just include "Cuba" or "Communism" in there, it would have spelled the word correctly and the conspiracy theorists would have bee fine with the inclusion.
 
2013-09-11 01:17:27 PM
funnycatwallpapers.com
 
2013-09-11 01:21:48 PM

Car_Ramrod: Boo farkin hoo. They'll live.

According to theTimes, billionaire David H. Koch and his wife Julia each contributed $145,000 to a PAC run by Lhota allies last week.

Infamous right-wing backer chooses to donate to a Republican PAC. STOP THE PRESSES!

"This tale is nothing more than class warfare," Mr. Lhotatold supporters Tuesday night.

It's only class warfare when the lower classes fight back.


Beat me to it. Across the country we've had decades of class warfare - strip-mining wealth and income from the majority of Americans to the detriment of our economy. Somehow, magically, though it's only class warfare to the right when the poor and middle class want to fight back or even try to arrest the slide into serfdom.
 
2013-09-11 01:23:18 PM

Gwyrddu: The changes that Guiliani brought were cosmetic, and NYC just happened to benefit from national trends that caused crime to decrease nationwide


Don't knock cosmetic changes. Sure, nothing beats hard work, but to juice the numbers (as much as 20%, according to one study on that page, but I'd estimate it closer to single digits), it's a fine means.
As you say, the larger downward trend of crime (in NYC specifically, but nationwide) has less to do with cosmetic changes, and more to do with more sensible crime policies.

// and removal of lead paint, and legal abortion, and a higher minimum wage...
 
2013-09-11 01:23:18 PM

bdub77: People seem to forget that 30 years ago New York City was a complete hellhole, full of scum and punks and gangs that would rob you of your money night and day. In short, NYC was a city full of scum-sucking assholes and robbers who leeched off society and brought out the worst in humanity.

It's nice to know that has all changed.

Don't forget that when you go to vote.


And it was what made the city the city. Guilliani's Disney dream ruined NYC. Any edge or specialness that happened in the city is gone. Smoking bans, quality of life laws etc etc.

NYC is now more like mayberry. You used to be able to go to NYC and do things there that you would never get away with in other cities. It had an edge, it would intimidate regular folks and that was a good thing.
 
2013-09-11 01:29:42 PM

Dr Dreidel: Gwyrddu: The changes that Guiliani brought were cosmetic, and NYC just happened to benefit from national trends that caused crime to decrease nationwide

Don't knock cosmetic changes. Sure, nothing beats hard work, but to juice the numbers (as much as 20%, according to one study on that page, but I'd estimate it closer to single digits), it's a fine means.
As you say, the larger downward trend of crime (in NYC specifically, but nationwide) has less to do with cosmetic changes, and more to do with more sensible crime policies.

// and removal of lead paint, and legal abortion, and a higher minimum wage...


Oh BS. Those numbers got to where they were because Cops across the city were told to reclassify crimes and the precinct chiefs would refuse to list felonies etc because they were under pressure from city hall to get crime down. The numbers are totally useless. They completely massaged the numbers for purely political reasons.
 
2013-09-11 01:29:44 PM

mongbiohazard: Car_Ramrod: Boo farkin hoo. They'll live.

According to theTimes, billionaire David H. Koch and his wife Julia each contributed $145,000 to a PAC run by Lhota allies last week.

Infamous right-wing backer chooses to donate to a Republican PAC. STOP THE PRESSES!

"This tale is nothing more than class warfare," Mr. Lhotatold supporters Tuesday night.

It's only class warfare when the lower classes fight back.

Beat me to it. Across the country we've had decades of class warfare - strip-mining wealth and income from the majority of Americans to the detriment of our economy. Somehow, magically, though it's only class warfare to the right when the poor and middle class want to fight back or even try to arrest the slide into serfdom.


Why did Communism and Socialism develop? Because unrestrained Capitalism led directly to it. Restrain Capitalism and people stop complaining. Allow the rich to fark over the average person and people get pissed off. I don't understand why the Randian pseudo-intellectuals can't grasp that.
 
2013-09-11 01:30:49 PM

kindms: And it was what made the city the city. Guilliani's Disney dream ruined NYC. Any edge or specialness that happened in the city is gone. Smoking bans, quality of life laws etc etc.

NYC is now more like mayberry. You used to be able to go to NYC and do things there that you would never get away with in other cities. It had an edge, it would intimidate regular folks and that was a good thing.


That is the dumbest thing I have heard all day.    

How dare they try to make a city livable if it changes it from your little ghetto vacation spot to make you feel special and edgy.
 
2013-09-11 01:34:37 PM
Remember, boys and girls:

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Class warfare.

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Not class warfare.
 
2013-09-11 01:34:53 PM

Headso: once people actually start killing 1%ers you can call it class warfare until then it's just groups of people looking out for their financial interests.


Muggers are also looking out for their financial interest, you know.

The rich in NYC already pay 8.97% marginal NYS income tax and city income tax of 3.65%. That adds up to 12.6%, on top of federal tax which is of course much higher.

But it's not enough apparently. "More" seems to always be the answer to Gimmecrats these days.
 
2013-09-11 01:35:32 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: But it's not enough apparently.


Correct.
 
2013-09-11 01:35:43 PM

MadCat221: So instead of amassing five times as much money they could possibly spend this year, they'll only be able to amass four times as much.

[cdn.bikechatforums.com image 320x240]


Actually, they'll still amass five time as much as they could possibly spend this year...they're pissed because they won't be able to amass six times as much...
 
2013-09-11 01:35:46 PM

Gwyrddu: I was never robbed, and I grew up in NYC 30 years ago. The changes that Guiliani brought were cosmetic, and NYC just happened to benefit from national trends that caused crime to decrease nationwide, trends brought about from multitudinous reasons from the removal of lead from the environment to the availability of abortion. For the most part conservatives just took credit for changes that took root long before they took office.


I'm going to disagree partially. While I agree there was a trend in a decrease in crime, Giuliani's focus was more quality of life issues such as policing the squee gee guys (remember those?) and vagrancy, etc which led to a wider decrease in crime in my opinion. I could definitely notice a difference in the amount of police officers patrolling the streets during his tenure.  I'm not at all a fan of Giuliani, but I do think he did this right.

I voted for Bloomberg mainly because right after 9/11 everyone wanted a business-friendly guy who could keep the business on Wall Street We were all terrified they'd go somewhere else. I voted for him again for his second term but most definitely did NOT vote for him on the 3rd term.

Yesterday I was telling everyone how disappointed I was in this year's candidates. I felt like I was picking the shiniest turd.  But I went with De Blasio.
 
2013-09-11 01:36:29 PM

Car_Ramrod: Boo farkin hoo. They'll live.

According to theTimes, billionaire David H. Koch and his wife Julia each contributed $145,000 to a PAC run by Lhota allies last week.

Infamous right-wing backer chooses to donate to a Republican PAC. STOP THE PRESSES!

"This tale is nothing more than class warfare," Mr. Lhotatold supporters Tuesday night.

It's only class warfare when the lower classes fight back.


This.
 
2013-09-11 01:36:48 PM

kindms: Oh BS. Those numbers got to where they were because Cops across the city were told to reclassify crimes and the precinct chiefs would refuse to list felonies etc because they were under pressure from city hall to get crime down. The numbers are totally useless. They completely massaged the numbers for purely political reasons.


Not that I'm arguing any of that, but I was referring to an actual study from the Netherlands listed on the wiki page, not the NYPD's juked stats.

// Bunny Colvin does not approve of juked stats
// brown. paper. bag.
 
2013-09-11 01:37:15 PM

Dr Dreidel: Gwyrddu: The changes that Guiliani brought were cosmetic, and NYC just happened to benefit from national trends that caused crime to decrease nationwide

Don't knock cosmetic changes. Sure, nothing beats hard work, but to juice the numbers (as much as 20%, according to one study on that page, but I'd estimate it closer to single digits), it's a fine means.
As you say, the larger downward trend of crime (in NYC specifically, but nationwide) has less to do with cosmetic changes, and more to do with more sensible crime policies.

// and removal of lead paint, and legal abortion, and a higher minimum wage...


Correct.

/and tougher sentencing laws.
 
2013-09-11 01:39:05 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Someone mentioned it in last night's Weiner thread, but in the primary Lhota, who led the GOP ticket, received 29,775, less than 5th place Weigher in the Democratic race.  De Blasio received more than 258,000 votes.

I hope that the overwhelmingly Democratic support turns out in the actual race.  This De Blasio guy is starting to sound pretty good.


It's going to happen.  Four years ago Bill Thompson ran against Bloomberg and...Thompson was a complete farktard.  I mean, Bloomberg didn't have to actually go into 5th gear against him, more like staying in 3rd gear.

Yet Thompson only lost by 5%, should've lost by at least 15%.
 
2013-09-11 01:39:32 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Debeo Summa Credo: But it's not enough apparently.

Correct.


It always comes down to "gimme" with you guys, doesn't it? No reason or rationale.
 
2013-09-11 01:41:41 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Headso: once people actually start killing 1%ers you can call it class warfare until then it's just groups of people looking out for their financial interests.

Muggers are also looking out for their financial interest, you know.

The rich in NYC already pay 8.97% marginal NYS income tax and city income tax of 3.65%. That adds up to 12.6%, on top of federal tax which is of course much higher.

But it's not enough apparently. "More" seems to always be the answer to Gimmecrats these days.


Arguing against the higher tax rates for the rich is like arguing against putting oil in your car's engine. An economy that requires spending can't have all the wealth concentrated in the hands of like 8 dudes. Don't worry the bracket you will never hope to achieve in your life will be fine with the higher taxes, worry about your own rates.
 
2013-09-11 01:41:48 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Dusk-You-n-Me: Debeo Summa Credo: But it's not enough apparently.

Correct.

It always comes down to "gimme" with you guys, doesn't it? No reason or rationale.


Not sure if super-rich or idiot...
 
2013-09-11 01:41:55 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: It always comes down to "gimme" with you guys, doesn't it?


I know this is your go-to response in every thread about the rich. That's what I know.
 
2013-09-11 01:42:06 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: The rich in NYC already pay 8.97% marginal NYS income tax and city income tax of 3.65%. That adds up to 12.6%, on top of federal tax which is of course much higher.

But it's not enough apparently. "More" seems to always be the answer to Gimmecrats these days.


Man, I've looked everywhere but it seems I can't seem to find my microscopic violin to play it for you.
 
2013-09-11 01:42:10 PM

bdub77: People seem to forget that 30 years ago New York City was a complete hellhole, full of scum and punks and gangs that would rob you of your money night and day. In short, NYC was a city full of scum-sucking assholes and robbers who leeched off society and brought out the worst in humanity.

It's nice to know that has all changed.

Don't forget that when you go to vote.


Now days the thugs wear $2000 silk suits and work on wall street but yeah...remember that when you go vote
 
2013-09-11 01:44:13 PM

Weaver95: bdub77: People seem to forget that 30 years ago New York City was a complete hellhole, full of scum and punks and gangs that would rob you of your money night and day. In short, NYC was a city full of scum-sucking assholes and robbers who leeched off society and brought out the worst in humanity.

It's nice to know that has all changed.

Don't forget that when you go to vote.

Now days the thugs wear $2000 silk suits and work on wall street but yeah...remember that when you go vote


This; the thug demographic changed in the years when Giuliani was Mayor.  Now it's your typical WS asshole who snorts $5K worth of Coke off a hooker's back.
 
2013-09-11 01:45:10 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: It always comes down to "gimme" with you guys, doesn't it? No reason or rationale.


Diminishing marginal returns on income.
 
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