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(Politico)   Obama's zigging with the zagging and Politico don't knows about that people are chokin' and nobody's floatin' and aah aah aah   (politico.com) divider line 38
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2013-09-11 09:34:15 AM
Go home, subby, you're drunk.
 
2013-09-11 09:34:42 AM
Absolutely absurd foreign policy.
Bizarre, even.
 
2013-09-11 09:36:46 AM
Threaten war, then offer a way out. How bizarre.
 
2013-09-11 09:36:47 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Absolutely absurd foreign policy.
Bizarre, even.


What, specifically, is absurd? It's not like we've ever ignored the use of chemical weapons before.
 
2013-09-11 09:37:41 AM
So now I am suppose to be mad we didn't go to war?

/meh
 
2013-09-11 09:38:55 AM

MFAWG: HotIgneous Intruder: Absolutely absurd foreign policy.
Bizarre, even.

What, specifically, is absurd? It's not like we've ever ignored the use of chemical weapons before.


Obama proposed it, that's all he needs to know
 
2013-09-11 09:40:19 AM
I can see how some would think it bizarre considering how we've done things for the last 30 years.

John Kerry Costs U.S. Defense Industry $400 Billion
 
2013-09-11 09:40:43 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Bizarre


the_cnidarian: bizarre


Is see we have a new talking point issued for today from the RNC. Critical, yet non-committal. Slight variation on the concept of "concern"
 
2013-09-11 09:43:32 AM
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He's just bee bopping and scattin' all over the place!
 
2013-09-11 09:44:55 AM

Lost Thought 00: HotIgneous Intruder: Bizarre

the_cnidarian: bizarre

Is see we have a new talking point issued for today from the RNC. Critical, yet non-committal. Slight variation on the concept of "concern"


Well, my use was sarcastic. I would've preferred "bizarro."
 
2013-09-11 09:45:21 AM
HotIgneous Intruder: Absolutely absurd foreign policy.
Bizarre, even.



the_cnidarian: Threaten war, then offer a way out. How bizarre.


No shiat Sherlock.  You're supposed to threaten war then bomb the crap out of them regardless of the events that transpire.
 
2013-09-11 09:45:47 AM

Lost Thought 00: HotIgneous Intruder: Bizarre

the_cnidarian: bizarre

Is see we have a new talking point issued for today from the RNC. Critical, yet non-committal. Slight variation on the concept of "concern"


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If you wanna know how it happened, hey...buy the rights.
 
2013-09-11 09:49:25 AM
I think it is funny conservatives were pooping their pants over the idea that the US may attack another country. When it looks like the attack might be avoided conservatives poop their pants for the sake of pant pooping.
 
2013-09-11 09:49:53 AM
My sensationalist reporter brain can't process all this nuance.  Are you a belligerent warmonger or a hippie peacenick?  Tell me!  I have a deadline to meet!
 
2013-09-11 09:54:12 AM

Yakk: So now I am suppose to be mad we didn't go to war?

/meh




Obama was against the war before he was for it, but then Putin objected to us being for it and Kerry made a joke about what Putin and Assad wouldn't do... But this turned out to be what they would do and direction forward and against the war (which doesn't stop the current war, just an insignificantly small addition to that war, which had no objective other than hurting Assad's feelings).
As a result, Assad will now turn over the weapons the rebels used to gas themselves and the UN will secure that stockpile, thusly not stopping Assad's current efforts to depopulate Syria by conventional means.

I don't know about mad, but I'm sure as hell confused as to why we bothered bringing up the war option.
 
2013-09-11 10:00:45 AM

imontheinternet: My sensationalist reporter brain can't process all this nuance.  Are you a belligerent warmonger or a hippie peacenick?  Tell me!  I have a deadline to meet!


I'm afraid they've got both sides to cover here.  Our two party system has made it clear that there are exactly two sides to every issue.
 
2013-09-11 10:01:01 AM
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2013-09-11 10:02:00 AM

way south: I'm sure as hell confused


Obviously.
 
2013-09-11 10:04:48 AM
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Oh, oh-oh! You see, the libs these days, they listen to the 0bama administration, which gives them the brain damage. With the hippin' and the hoppin' and the bippin' and the boppin', they don't know what the foreign policy is all about. Y'see, jazz is like Jello pudding... no, that's not it. Foreign policy is like Kodak film... no, that's not right neither. I've got it, foriegn policy is like the new Coke - it'll be around forever.
 
2013-09-11 10:06:24 AM

way south: I don't know about mad, but I'm sure as hell confused as to why we bothered bringing up the war option.


I think Wiki can help solve this:

Brinkmanship:  is the practice of pushing dangerous events to the verge of-or to the brink of-disaster in order to achieve the most advantageous outcome. This maneuver of pushing a situation with the opponent to the brink succeeds by forcing the opponent to back down and make concessions.

Its not over yet. I'm betting its gonna get pushed further. Someone might still get bombed.
 
2013-09-11 10:10:10 AM

the_cnidarian: Threaten war, then offer a way out. How bizarre.


Threaten war, get denied by public opinion, stall, hope John Kerry cracks out of turn and someone (please not Putin, oops) comes up with a face  saving measure (that everyone knows is untenable).  The Aristocrats?

Seriously, I have no problem with this outcome but I hope you realize if the British Parliament voted in favor of combat operations, the US would have already bombed Syria.
 
2013-09-11 10:19:43 AM

TedDalton: the_cnidarian: Threaten war, then offer a way out. How bizarre.

Threaten war, get denied by public opinion, stall, hope John Kerry cracks out of turn and someone (please not Putin, oops) comes up with a face  saving measure (that everyone knows is untenable).  The Aristocrats?

Seriously, I have no problem with this outcome but I hope you realize if the British Parliament voted in favor of combat operations, the US would have already bombed Syria.


Because we only do things with the help of the British? There are people that live in the Amazon and haven't heard of the internet, and right now they're laughing at how stupid that sounds.
 
2013-09-11 10:25:22 AM
Watching people try to spin this into a "defeat" for Obama is entertaining as all hell.

He was faced with either allowing Syria to violate the taboo against chemical weapons without reprisal or ordering a very unpopular attack, and he either found or lucked into a diplomatic solution. It's a definite tick in the "win" column, either way.
 
MFK
2013-09-11 10:35:46 AM
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2013-09-11 10:37:02 AM
It's almost as if Obama doesn't know what the jazz is all about!
 
2013-09-11 10:39:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLwjDigdM6k
For a little more of the bippin' and the boppin'.
 
2013-09-11 11:03:33 AM

MFK: [s3.amazonaws.com image 550x557]


It's worth pointing out that Sorensen published a statement saying she wasn't pro-invasion, this is merely criticism of the Bush era idiots who are still idiots.
 
2013-09-11 11:04:07 AM

the_cnidarian: Threaten war, then offer a way out. How bizarre.


Stick and carrot.
 
2013-09-11 11:06:42 AM

Smoking GNU: the_cnidarian: Threaten war, then offer a way out. How bizarre.

Stick and carrot.


Actually, this shows the very likely statement that we'll hear in a couple weeks(when Obama hasn't been demonstrated to be obviously wrong), that bush's invasion of Iraq showed how "we mean it."  Conservatives will jump right back to a position that contradicts their position today as soon as it makes a "better" attack on Obama.
 
2013-09-11 11:10:48 AM

gnosis301: It's almost as if Obama doesn't know what the jazz is all about!


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2013-09-11 11:13:34 AM

Somacandra: way south: I don't know about mad, but I'm sure as hell confused as to why we bothered bringing up the war option.

I think Wiki can help solve this:

Brinkmanship:  is the practice of pushing dangerous events to the verge of-or to the brink of-disaster in order to achieve the most advantageous outcome. This maneuver of pushing a situation with the opponent to the brink succeeds by forcing the opponent to back down and make concessions.

Its not over yet. I'm betting its gonna get pushed further. Someone might still get bombed.


Now, now. You can't expect The Party of ReaganTM to understand a concept like brinksmanship!
 
2013-09-11 12:09:10 PM
is this where we call him ... the Jackal?
 
2013-09-11 12:13:39 PM
9/11 is Bush's benghazi #neverforget
 
2013-09-11 02:54:48 PM

ikanreed: MFK: [s3.amazonaws.com image 550x557]

It's worth pointing out that Sorensen published a statement saying she wasn't pro-invasion, this is merely criticism of the Bush era idiots who are still idiots.


It's kinda a shame she had to do that.
 
2013-09-11 03:00:39 PM

cameroncrazy1984: TedDalton: the_cnidarian: Threaten war, then offer a way out. How bizarre.

Threaten war, get denied by public opinion, stall, hope John Kerry cracks out of turn and someone (please not Putin, oops) comes up with a face  saving measure (that everyone knows is untenable).  The Aristocrats?

Seriously, I have no problem with this outcome but I hope you realize if the British Parliament voted in favor of combat operations, the US would have already bombed Syria.

Because we only do things with the help of the British? There are people that live in the Amazon and haven't heard of the internet, and right now they're laughing at how stupid that sounds.


Obama did not refrain from bombing Syria because we need the help of the British whose Parliament voted to deny said help.  But that vote did get the anti-war ball rolling in the US which gave Obama some pause, and the realization he would be going it alone, with no diplomatic cover.  So he thought he could get out of it by asking Congress to vote.  Well enough of the left stiffened up to say no to war and enough on the right over came their instinct for war if it meant sticking it to Obama.  The President would have lost both houses if the vote was 'delayed'.  If the British were on board with the war from the beginning, Obama would not  have sought Congressional approval and bombed Syria before the anti-bombing crowd got too loud to ignore.  If Cameron didn't have to get that vote, Kerry never makes his off the cuff remark that Putin pounces on for a "solution" (such as it is).

Cameron Crazy -   I'm guessing you must just be a fan.
 
2013-09-11 03:06:33 PM

Dwight_Yeast: ikanreed: MFK: [s3.amazonaws.com image 550x557]

It's worth pointing out that Sorensen published a statement saying she wasn't pro-invasion, this is merely criticism of the Bush era idiots who are still idiots.

It's kinda a shame she had to do that.


It was on her blog, not like a big press release.  Lots of people explain things in greater deal in their blogs(which suck).
 
2013-09-11 04:20:18 PM
I get the impression that Politico journalists think foreign policy is easier than playing with Duplo blocks.
 
2013-09-11 06:12:48 PM
Obama, as stated in another thread elsewhere, is playing 3D chess while Putin is playing checkers. This brilliant head fake by Obama/Kerry will be studied in diplomatic circles for years.
 
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