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2013-09-11 08:13:45 AM  
Because lord knows you only ever get transcripts of the Constitution in cursive format.
 
2013-09-11 08:13:49 AM  
The worst thing about the decline of cursive is nothing.  It's stupid, and you're stupid for lamenting it.
 
2013-09-11 08:14:15 AM  
Heavens to Betsy Ross!

It's a shame that it has never been digitized or put in print.

It's also a shame that someone can never choose to learn cursive later in life if they are interested.

The horror. The horror. . . .
 
2013-09-11 08:14:17 AM  
 
2013-09-11 08:14:37 AM  
Without understanding how to spell, they won't be able to read it anyway. You know, like Tea Partiers.
 
2013-09-11 08:14:40 AM  
 
2013-09-11 08:16:10 AM  
Time to start a kickstarter to make a special stand that can hold an iPad so that people can read it. Also, the stand accepts bitcoins and has cardboard gears glued to it and it doesn't recognize gender.
 
2013-09-11 08:16:41 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Molavian: The worst thing about the decline of cursive is nothing.  It's stupid, and you're stupid for lamenting it.

I agree... in fact, lets go a step further... lets eliminate painting, sculpture, and other art forms as well. They serve no proctical purpose after all.


Let's no eliminate it and bundle it with "calligraphy".  If someone wants to pursue the art, then fine.  But let's not make it mandantory.
 
2013-09-11 08:17:12 AM  
www.theblaze.com

Get it right,subby. It's spelled "Constituion."

/'merica
 
2013-09-11 08:17:37 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: HindiDiscoMonster: Molavian: The worst thing about the decline of cursive is nothing.  It's stupid, and you're stupid for lamenting it.

I agree... in fact, lets go a step further... lets eliminate painting, sculpture, and other art forms as well. They serve no proctical practical purpose after all.

wow... what a type-fail on my part... my appologies...

/FTFM


Perhaps we could teach typing instead of cursive? :P
 
2013-09-11 08:18:27 AM  

Smoking GNU: Because lord knows you only ever get transcripts of the Constitution in cursive format.


Because lord knows the constitution doesn't mean jack shiat anymore.
 
2013-09-11 08:18:31 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: lets eliminate painting, sculpture, and other art forms as well.


We don't teach calligraphy in the classroom either.  U mad?
 
2013-09-11 08:18:33 AM  
abfalter:
Let's no eliminate it and bundle it with "calligraphy".  If someone wants to pursue the art, then fine.  But let's not make it mandantory.

there's nothing worse than things being mandantory. although these days you should really say persondantory
 
2013-09-11 08:18:42 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Molavian: The worst thing about the decline of cursive is nothing.  It's stupid, and you're stupid for lamenting it.

I agree... in fact, lets go a step further... lets eliminate painting, sculpture, and other art forms as well. They serve no proctical purpose after all.


Except cursive wasn't *created as an art form*. Cursive is a way to write fast without lifting your pen from the paper (because you might spill ink everywhere).


SURPRISE! WE NO LONGER USE shiatTY PENS LIKE THAT, and we don't need to write that fast when we can type.

So that's a really stupid analogy.

It's like decrying the loss of the elegance of horse and buggies. Yes. They might be pretty. They're also obsolete.
 
2013-09-11 08:18:53 AM  
Yeah, if you're not taught the ancient art of writing in quill-pen font, you'll never be able to puzzle it out. I personally can never read anything in a font I haven't been taught to write.

Losing cursive is about as significant as losing German Gothic font. They really used to write this way:

luc.devroye.org
 
2013-09-11 08:18:59 AM  
If you want your child to learn cursive writing but the school doesn't teach it, do it yourdamnself.
 
2013-09-11 08:19:42 AM  
Isn't this all part of fartbongo's plan? If the sheeple don't know what it says, it's that much easier to take away so many rights.
 
2013-09-11 08:20:48 AM  
They'll never be able to read anything that was written in the 19th century. They won't be able to read the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, or anything written during the Civil War.

1. Historical documents are transcribed into plain text as a matter of course.  As in, you literally  have to transcribe something to plain text for archiving now, it is not a bonus option.  This is also not new to the age of digital media, you've had to do it since the '50s at least, because original documents degrade and fall apart... most of those archived civil war letters have typed transcriptions in addition.

2. I can't read Latin and Greek.  I can't read (directly) anything written during the 15th century.  I can't read Newton's  Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica. I can't read Kepler's Mysterium Cosmographicum.  I can't read anything written during the Italian Wars.  All of these things are significantly more historically and culturally important than the constitution, etc.  Somehow, I get by on transcriptions and translations.

Summary: As usual, the MNN conspiracy theory idiots can fark right off.
 
2013-09-11 08:21:36 AM  
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If that's the best justification you got for teaching a redundant writing system, it's time to let it go.
 
2013-09-11 08:22:54 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Molavian: The worst thing about the decline of cursive is nothing.  It's stupid, and you're stupid for lamenting it.

I agree... in fact, lets go a step further... lets eliminate painting, sculpture, and other art forms as well. They serve no proctical purpose after all.


It's not really an art form, it's a means to write slightly faster.

Some of it looks nice, but most people's looks like hell. I don't really miss it.
 
2013-09-11 08:24:45 AM  
I can't remember which grade it was, but at some point in elementary or junior high school, we actually were taught to write with a nibbed pen and ink in a bottle. I think it was junior high art class. Seems a perfectly appropriate place to teach cursive writing, but that BS of forcing kids to write only that way from third through fifth grade needed to go. My writer's cramp was bad enough when printing; just the thought of having to write in cursive makes my hand cramp.
 
2013-09-11 08:25:08 AM  
I had a dick of a professor tell me that I couldn't take notes in class using my laptop because I would use it to go on facebook.  Despite the fact that I was 29, had a wife and child, and had worked real jobs since I dropped out of college the first time, apparently I was incapable of taking her 100 level com class without updating my status every five seconds.
In any case, rather than make a big stink about it, I relearned to write in cursive and as it turns out, I have sexy handwriting.

/the ink in my pen puts some lead in my pencil?
 
2013-09-11 08:25:25 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Felgraf: HindiDiscoMonster: Molavian: The worst thing about the decline of cursive is nothing.  It's stupid, and you're stupid for lamenting it.

I agree... in fact, lets go a step further... lets eliminate painting, sculpture, and other art forms as well. They serve no proctical purpose after all.

Except cursive wasn't *created as an art form*. Cursive is a way to write fast without lifting your pen from the paper (because you might spill ink everywhere).


SURPRISE! WE NO LONGER USE shiatTY PENS LIKE THAT, and we don't need to write that fast when we can type.

So that's a really stupid analogy.

It's like decrying the loss of the elegance of horse and buggies. Yes. They might be pretty. They're also obsolete.

it wasn't meant to be smart... it was meant to bring the butthurt. :P


While that may very well be true, that gambit has a tendancy to bring this to mind:

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-09-11 08:25:30 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: you know what's funny? I have been working on computers since I was 7 yrs old... and I STILL don't type properly to this day... always have been a 100wpm hunt/peck, probably always will. I just can't get my hands to contort into those "proper" positions.


If you're hitting anything in excess of 70 or 80 wpm and you're doing something other than transcription, you're typing properly enough, don't worry about it.  The positions are really based on typewriters, which can have a stroke-length of up to an inch, meaning you really have to be able to get your fingers in there and back out quickly.  A standard keyboard has a stroke length of a couple mm, so get your fingers tapping the right place and you're good.

I mean, sounds like you're not sweating it, just figured I'd mention it.
 
2013-09-11 08:27:03 AM  
Also I rather dislike cursive because I'm left handed.

It doesn't look pretty, it looks like a massive graphite/ink smear.
 
2013-09-11 08:29:15 AM  
"Reading cursive means you need to be able to write it "

Fail.
 
2013-09-11 08:29:33 AM  
Can we PLEASE get rid of these ugly farking things that the Exchange Clubs are putting up all over the country, too?

www.freedomshrine.com
 
2013-09-11 08:30:12 AM  
The worfe thing if having thif thread once a moth.
 
2013-09-11 08:30:57 AM  
month
 
2013-09-11 08:31:59 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: ]

perhaps, but go back and read my post and think to yourself (after calibrating your snark-o-meter) "was he serious?"...


Apologies, then. The politics threads, and US politics in general, has sort of farked-up my sarcasm meter and my ability to discern parody from reality, at times.
 
2013-09-11 08:32:07 AM  
It's going to become obsolete language eventually anyway.

The Magna Carta was also very instrumental in our freedom and history and I challenge any average educated person to read that in original form.
 
2013-09-11 08:32:33 AM  
Isn't the constitution now on the Internet in Comic-Sans?
 
2013-09-11 08:32:56 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Molavian: The worst thing about the decline of cursive is nothing.  It's stupid, and you're stupid for lamenting it.

I agree... in fact, lets go a step further... lets eliminate painting, sculpture, and other art forms as well. They serve no proctical purpose after all.


Cursive != calligraphy
 
2013-09-11 08:33:33 AM  

plcow: It's going to become obsolete language eventually anyway.

The Magna Carta was also very instrumental in our freedom and history and I challenge any average educated person to read that in original form.


NM bad example off the top of my head.  Looked it up and it was written in Latin.  Point still stands with some similar document, maybe a little later such as the 1500's.
 
2013-09-11 08:33:36 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: grokca: The worfe thing if having thif thread once a moth.

can you translate that into english please, google translate is having a problem with it.


I guess you've never actually read the US Constitution then.
 
2013-09-11 08:35:34 AM  
The US constitution in comic sans with exclamation points at the end of every sentence....

skreened.com
 
2013-09-11 08:35:51 AM  
Meh... my daughter is in 5th grade this year. She learned cursive in 2nd and 3rd grades.
 
2013-09-11 08:37:28 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: cameroncrazy1984: HindiDiscoMonster: grokca: The worfe thing if having thif thread once a moth.

can you translate that into english please, google translate is having a problem with it.

I guess you've never actually read the US Constitution then.

I may be wrong, but I don't remember the Tactical officer from the uss enterprise being mentioned in it.


You might want to go back to bed and start today over again.
 
2013-09-11 08:43:02 AM  
If nobody learns to speak Aramaic, then no one will ever be able to read the Bible.
 
2013-09-11 08:43:20 AM  
pfft. It's like the Bible, everyone claims to have read it, very few actually have.

/Mostly because they are boring as shiat.
 
2013-09-11 08:45:17 AM  
It saddens me that people have no desire to learn who to write. Just because we have modern conveniences and wonders like keyboards doesn't mean that we can abandon all that came before it. It seems that, today, most people have little to no desire to put any effort into their handwriting. It seems like most actively try to put as little effort into their scrawl as possible. They just want to get it over and done with. I can't remember the last time I saw someone's handwriting that was neat and tidy.

Although I will saw that the people who put no effort into, and seem to actually try to screw up, spelling are probably worse. I know that English is a screwy language but that's no excuse to actively oppose any attempt to try. People misspelling "bcuz i aint n skul rite now so fark u it dun mtter how i spel" make me automatically discount them as having any sort of functional intelligence.

The growing trend of anti intellectualism in this country is scary. But, I suppose that's what happen when the more learned and intelligent people become the less they reproduce. Simply put, the people who take pride in how ignorant they are have been out breeding the more intelligent populous.

It may sound like I'm the type to shun technology or modern advancements but it's quite the opposite. I adore technology and I'm something of a techno-geek in general. I just see no reason to abandon an incredibly useful facet of our communication because the digital age makes it so we don't need to write by hand as often.

Writing is still useful, it's still needed, and it's something that we shouldn't try to throw away because people are lazy. Modern English has two forms of writing. Once you learn print it takes very little effort to also learn cursive. Seriously, it's not that hard. It's sad that something which was once seen as a vital ability has been relegated into a lost art even though it's still useful and needed.

/Sits here with a Lamy Vista fountain pen in my pocket.
//Takes pride in my ability to communicate clearly
///Only because it seems to be all too uncommon as of late
 
2013-09-11 08:47:20 AM  

CtrlAltDestroy: It saddens me that people have no desire to learn who to write


I'm sad that nobody manufactures buggy whips and iceboxes and cathode-ray tube TVs anymore.
 
2013-09-11 08:49:17 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.htm l

You're welcome, future generations.


Future generations: digital media can never ever be changed or manipulated. Trust us.

Your short-sighted predecessors.
 
2013-09-11 08:49:17 AM  

CtrlAltDestroy: It saddens me that people have no desire to learn who to write. Just because we have modern conveniences and wonders like keyboards doesn't mean that we can abandon all that came before it. It seems that, today, most people have little to no desire to put any effort into their handwriting. It seems like most actively try to put as little effort into their scrawl as possible. They just want to get it over and done with. I can't remember the last time I saw someone's handwriting that was neat and tidy.

Although I will saw that the people who put no effort into, and seem to actually try to screw up, spelling are probably worse. I know that English is a screwy language but that's no excuse to actively oppose any attempt to try. People misspelling "bcuz i aint n skul rite now so fark u it dun mtter how i spel" make me automatically discount them as having any sort of functional intelligence.

The growing trend of anti intellectualism in this country is scary. But, I suppose that's what happen when the more learned and intelligent people become the less they reproduce. Simply put, the people who take pride in how ignorant they are have been out breeding the more intelligent populous.

It may sound like I'm the type to shun technology or modern advancements but it's quite the opposite. I adore technology and I'm something of a techno-geek in general. I just see no reason to abandon an incredibly useful facet of our communication because the digital age makes it so we don't need to write by hand as often.

Writing is still useful, it's still needed, and it's something that we shouldn't try to throw away because people are lazy. Modern English has two forms of writing. Once you learn print it takes very little effort to also learn cursive. Seriously, it's not that hard. It's sad that something which was once seen as a vital ability has been relegated into a lost art even though it's still useful and needed.

/Sits here with a Lamy Vista fountain pen in my pocket.
//Takes pr ...


I completely agree.

I'd suggest you start a newsletter, but it would be a waste of time because only a few could read it and most of those would get bored and quit after 140 characters.
 
2013-09-11 08:49:19 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Molavian: The worst thing about the decline of cursive is nothing.  It's stupid, and you're stupid for lamenting it.

I agree... in fact, lets go a step further... lets eliminate painting, sculpture, and other art forms as well. They serve no proctical purpose after all.


As a lefty...you take your goddamned right-handed fancy BS writing and you go to hell.
 
2013-09-11 08:49:58 AM  
Slightly off topic but. .. I've had people tell me I have nice handwriting and then sadly say that theirs is terrible. But this is something you consciously control. Why can't a person write neatly? I'm conscious of trying to make my handwriting neat and legible. Do any of you feel like you can't control your handwriting and it's just bad?
 
2013-09-11 08:54:00 AM  

Alexei Novikov: HindiDiscoMonster: Molavian: The worst thing about the decline of cursive is nothing.  It's stupid, and you're stupid for lamenting it.

I agree... in fact, lets go a step further... lets eliminate painting, sculpture, and other art forms as well. They serve no proctical purpose after all.

As a lefty...you take your goddamned right-handed fancy BS writing and you go to hell.


Damn right!

Phins: Slightly off topic but. .. I've had people tell me I have nice handwriting and then sadly say that theirs is terrible. But this is something you consciously control. Why can't a person write neatly? I'm conscious of trying to make my handwriting neat and legible. Do any of you feel like you can't control your handwriting and it's just bad?


Yeah, when I try to write neatly it looks like a four-year-old wrote it. I hate writing by hand. Of course, I'm also left handed and we're notoriously bad at it.
 
2013-09-11 08:54:03 AM  

Phins: Slightly off topic but. .. I've had people tell me I have nice handwriting and then sadly say that theirs is terrible. But this is something you consciously control. Why can't a person write neatly? I'm conscious of trying to make my handwriting neat and legible. Do any of you feel like you can't control your handwriting and it's just bad?


mine is AWFUL. but i dont care. i use a computer too much to get nuff practice handwriting

my fiance quite often has to ring me from the supermarket because he can't read the shopping list hehe
 
2013-09-11 08:56:07 AM  

Rapmaster2000: If nobody learns to speak Aramaic, then no one will ever be able to read the Bible.


I don't wanna bite, but I'll nibble.  The bible was written in Greek and Hebrew.  Aramaic was primarily(though not exclusively) a spoken language in the region around the Common Era.  Oddly enough, Aramaic writing eventually became the basis for a lot of modern middle eastern writing forms we see today, which is kind of interesting.

Also, they still teach Greek and Hebrew (from undergrad to post-doc), and with modern archaeological discoveries, our understanding is vastly different than even 50 years ago.  I don't have the time or patience to study dead (or disused versions of present) languages, but I find the simple act of discovery wholly fascinating.
 
2013-09-11 09:11:38 AM  

icebergcomics: Three Crooked Squirrels: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.htm l

You're welcome, future generations.

Future generations: digital media can never ever be changed or manipulated. Trust us.

Your short-sighted predecessors.


Who will teach the children how to operate coal-oil fired lamps!
 
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