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(SacBee)   US secures embarrassing first round World Cup exit   (sacbee.com) divider line 141
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2013-09-11 08:25:15 AM  
Good luck finding waldo in this crowd.
theoriginalwinger.com
 
2013-09-11 08:27:43 AM  
Nice trolling subby.
 
2013-09-11 08:30:22 AM  
Subby from Mexico? Dos a cero
 
2013-09-11 08:33:54 AM  

eagles95: Subby from Mexico? Dos a cero




There's going to be a lot of angry gardeners and cook staff today
 
2013-09-11 08:35:06 AM  
Unless the US falls into another group of death or has a complete breakdown in form they're actually potential semifinalists. 
But realistically I'm expecting a round of 16 exit to some nobody team like in the last WC.
 
2013-09-11 08:36:50 AM  

dfacto: Unless the US falls into another group of death or has a complete breakdown in form they're actually potential semifinalists. 
But realistically I'm expecting a round of 16 exit to some nobody team like in the last WC.




Ghana. Always Ghana
 
2013-09-11 08:36:53 AM  
Did the American fans remember to bring their bags of urine to throw on the Mexican players, and chant "Cortes!"
 
2013-09-11 08:37:16 AM  
I'll say it: The USA is by far the best team in the CONCACAF region.

That isn't saying too much, though, considering how much they got pushed around in a hostile environment Friday night...
 
2013-09-11 08:38:24 AM  
I need an explanation from soccer fans. For the life of me, I will never understand the appeal of soccer. To me it's 90 minutes of horribly slow paced ball placement with roughly 5 minutes of action near a goal. I've heard it compared to hockey, but hockey is extremely fast paced and soccer only resembles hockey in that the scores are low and it sometimes ends in a tie. I like Rugby, and like soccer it's roughly 80 minutes long but the action hardly ever stops.

The only thing I can think of is that soccer is a "superfan" sport. The kind of sport where all that is needed is a widely-accepted "our team" and large amounts of booze. I would like to hear why soccer fans like soccer.
 
2013-09-11 08:39:30 AM  
WOOO! Go USA!
 
2013-09-11 08:40:56 AM  
Half of the teams get wiped out in the first round of a tournament. Hardly an unexpected event for anyone
 
2013-09-11 08:41:51 AM  
The US is never going to succeed in the WC if they can't get an even remotely fair shake from the ref's.  And that's not going to happen.

/and I hate people who complain about ref's too....
 
2013-09-11 08:44:07 AM  

The Muthaship: The US is never going to succeed in the WC if they can't get an even remotely fair shake from the ref's.  And that's not going to happen.

/and I hate people who complain about ref's too....


Maybe we need to convert "We Shall Overcome" into one of those fancy soccer chants.
 
2013-09-11 08:46:27 AM  

WTF Indeed: I need an explanation from soccer fans. For the life of me, I will never understand the appeal of soccer. To me it's 90 minutes of horribly slow paced ball placement with roughly 5 minutes of action near a goal. I've heard it compared to hockey, but hockey is extremely fast paced and soccer only resembles hockey in that the scores are low and it sometimes ends in a tie. I like Rugby, and like soccer it's roughly 80 minutes long but the action hardly ever stops.

The only thing I can think of is that soccer is a "superfan" sport. The kind of sport where all that is needed is a widely-accepted "our team" and large amounts of booze. I would like to hear why soccer fans like soccer.


Compare it to American Football, which takes 1-2 hours longer, has roughly same amount of "action time" within the game framework, and roughly the same level of commercialization
 
2013-09-11 08:47:52 AM  

WTF Indeed: I need an explanation from soccer fans. For the life of me, I will never understand the appeal of soccer. To me it's 90 minutes of horribly slow paced ball placement with roughly 5 minutes of action near a goal. I've heard it compared to hockey, but hockey is extremely fast paced and soccer only resembles hockey in that the scores are low and it sometimes ends in a tie. I like Rugby, and like soccer it's roughly 80 minutes long but the action hardly ever stops.

The only thing I can think of is that soccer is a "superfan" sport. The kind of sport where all that is needed is a widely-accepted "our team" and large amounts of booze. I would like to hear why soccer fans like soccer.


To me soccer became more appealing as soon I started to learn what to watch for.  It's not always about the goals or the shots, but how the plays are developed.  Once you get an idea of what they're doing, you start watching for how the plays come together, whose moving where, what they're expecting to do.  Sometimes the thing that leads to a goal starts with a pass 60 seconds ago in the backfield, but it was sent to the right side of the field to drag people there, while someone runs up the left field, and so forth. But then someone on the other team may see this and position themselves to take advantage and perform a counter attack.

I've seen 0-0 games that have been exciting as hell because the teams are reading each other so well in a tactical sense.  It's a bit like a fast game of chess.

IE,  once you start 'seeing' the sport, you see that the action is coming together, it's just not always right there on the surface.

/that's just me, ymmv
//DOS A CERO!
 
2013-09-11 08:48:17 AM  

The Muthaship: The US is never going to succeed in the WC if they can't get an even remotely fair shake from the ref's.  And that's not going to happen.

/and I hate people who complain about ref's too....


Literally every team not named Italy or Brazil won't get a fair shake from FIFA WC reds. The US isn't special in that regard.

More importantly: DOS A CERO

/USMNT is my 2nd team
//Three Lions on a shirt...
 
2013-09-11 08:50:11 AM  

Lost Thought 00: WTF Indeed: I need an explanation from soccer fans. For the life of me, I will never understand the appeal of soccer. To me it's 90 minutes of horribly slow paced ball placement with roughly 5 minutes of action near a goal. I've heard it compared to hockey, but hockey is extremely fast paced and soccer only resembles hockey in that the scores are low and it sometimes ends in a tie. I like Rugby, and like soccer it's roughly 80 minutes long but the action hardly ever stops.

The only thing I can think of is that soccer is a "superfan" sport. The kind of sport where all that is needed is a widely-accepted "our team" and large amounts of booze. I would like to hear why soccer fans like soccer.

Compare it to American Football, which takes 1-2 hours longer, has roughly same amount of "action time" within the game framework, and roughly the same level of commercialization




I'm not a expert on soccer but I've notice on thing about the pace of it. On tv it seems slow. Watch it live thou it's a very different game. Sorta like baseball that way.
 
2013-09-11 08:55:01 AM  
Estamos en el pinche Mundial, putas!
 
2013-09-11 09:00:44 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Compare it to American Football, which takes 1-2 hours longer, has roughly same amount of "action time" within the game framework, and roughly the same level of commercialization


But it's kinda not. American football is controlled action. The ref controls when it starts and stops. The mechanics of the sport of soccer is that the "action never stops" but in reality the "Action" is derived solely from ones own allegiance to a team.  You have to be emotionally attached to the team, powered by booze or not" for the game to be entertaining.

Mr_H: IE,  once you start 'seeing' the sport, you see that the action is coming together, it's just not always right there on the surface.


I understand that, but most sports can be enjoyed without having an indepth knowledge of how the game works.
 
2013-09-11 09:05:04 AM  
I know how baseball and football work and they're still supremely boring most of the time
 
2013-09-11 09:06:12 AM  

WTF Indeed: But it's kinda not. American football is controlled action. The ref controls when it starts and stops. The mechanics of the sport of soccer is that the "action never stops" but in reality the "Action" is derived solely from ones own allegiance to a team. You have to be emotionally attached to the team, powered by booze or not" for the game to be entertaining.


It is generally true for most sports that in order to derive enjoyment you must care about the outcome. Without stakes, all sports devolve into a bunch of people just running around on a field for an hour
 
2013-09-11 09:07:19 AM  

ElwoodCuse: I know how baseball and football work and they're still supremely boring most of the time


That's fine, but it's pretty hard to say baseball and American football are boring but soccer is non-stop action that leaves me breatheless!
 
2013-09-11 09:09:27 AM  

WTF Indeed: I understand that, but most sports can be enjoyed without having an indepth knowledge of how the game works.


Not really.  I mean you can pretend to like it, but I never liked American football until I understood the difference between the shotgun and the i form and knew what a 3-4 defense was.

I also didn't like soccer until I moved to Germany and watched it a lot.

Sports generally kind of suck unless you understand them.   Except for crickett, even when you understand it it is farking retarded.
 
2013-09-11 09:11:25 AM  

Lost Thought 00: It is generally true for most sports that in order to derive enjoyment you must care about the outcome. Without stakes, all sports devolve into a bunch of people just running around on a field for an hour


Not true, most fans of a sport can watch two hated rivals play each other and enjoy the game. For American soccer the "GO AMERICA WOOOHOOO DRINK!" attitude still rides over everything.
 
2013-09-11 09:12:04 AM  

lilplatinum: Except for crickett, even when you understand it it is farking retarded.


Can we add field hockey to the list?  Terrible to watch.
 
2013-09-11 09:13:27 AM  

The Muthaship: lilplatinum: Except for crickett, even when you understand it it is farking retarded.

Can we add field hockey to the list?  Terrible to watch.


No, crickett last two months and 48,000 runs are scored and someone wins, but no one is really sure because tradition and all.
 
2013-09-11 09:14:18 AM  

WTF Indeed: The Muthaship: lilplatinum: Except for crickett, even when you understand it it is farking retarded.

Can we add field hockey to the list?  Terrible to watch.

No, crickett last two months and 48,000 runs are scored and someone wins, but no one is really sure because tradition and all.


I didn't say it had to be listed at #1!
 
2013-09-11 09:16:55 AM  

WTF Indeed: Not true, most fans of a sport can watch two hated rivals play each other and enjoy the game.


Yes, because they still care about the outcome because of how it influences the season or the sport in general
 
2013-09-11 09:18:01 AM  
I do love the contrast between US teams and anyone else.

US player gets tripped:  falls down, rolls over, stands up, looks at ref like 'really?  Could you tell the clown to quit that?'

Player from rest of world gets tripped:  falls down, chews mouthful of grass, rolls over seven times, alternately clutching 7 different body parts, cries, poops self, files restraining order, crawls on knees towards ref lamenting that he will never walk again.
 
2013-09-11 09:30:15 AM  

WTF Indeed: Not true, most fans of a sport can watch two hated rivals play each other and enjoy the game. For American soccer the "GO AMERICA WOOOHOOO DRINK!" attitude still rides over everything.


So do you actually want an answer, or are you just trolling a soccer thread?  Because it seems like you've deemed the responses you've gotten so far unacceptable.

Progress isn't as easily determined in soccer as it is in football because the game isn't divided into individual plays and 10-yard increments.  So while that may make it easier for a novice to watch a football game without an in depth knowledge, I disagree wholeheartedly that you can actually enjoy it without understanding how and why plays are happening.

Overall, if you've decided that you don't like something, no amount of explanation will satisfy you.
 
2013-09-11 09:32:14 AM  

WTF Indeed: Lost Thought 00: It is generally true for most sports that in order to derive enjoyment you must care about the outcome. Without stakes, all sports devolve into a bunch of people just running around on a field for an hour

Not true, most fans of a sport can watch two hated rivals play each other and enjoy the game. For American soccer the "GO AMERICA WOOOHOOO DRINK!" attitude still rides over everything.


If you don't like soccer, then just don't watch it. It's cool, I'm sure there's things you like that other people don't get, so just stop watching it. It'll work out for everyone in the long run.

/it'd be like trying to explain your favorite color.
 
2013-09-11 09:36:51 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: So do you actually want an answer, or are you just trolling a soccer thread?  Because it seems like you've deemed the responses you've gotten so far unacceptable.


I want reasons why other people like it. So far all I've gotten is people trying to sell me the game. "Oh if you like American football you should like soccer." I don't hate soccer, I just can't sit down and watch a game or even a half. I want to know what makes it exciting to other people, and so far the only person that told me that only started to like it because he lived in Germany for a number of years.
 
2013-09-11 09:38:47 AM  

RangerTaylor: I do love the contrast between US teams and anyone else.

US player gets tripped:  falls down, rolls over, stands up, looks at ref like 'really?  Could you tell the clown to quit that?'

Player from rest of world gets tripped:  falls down, chews mouthful of grass, rolls over seven times, alternately clutching 7 different body parts, cries, poops self, files restraining order, crawls on knees towards ref lamenting that he will never walk again.


US futbol players need to take lessons from Chris Paul on proper flopping technique.
 
2013-09-11 09:43:57 AM  

WTF Indeed: Lost Thought 00: It is generally true for most sports that in order to derive enjoyment you must care about the outcome. Without stakes, all sports devolve into a bunch of people just running around on a field for an hour

Not true, most fans of a sport can watch two hated rivals play each other and enjoy the game. For American soccer the "GO AMERICA WOOOHOOO DRINK!" attitude still rides over everything.


I'm pretty sure you're trolling because people have answered your question (though it was a horribly leading question) legitly and you just say "No, I'm pretty sure my initial way off target assessment is still correct".  Not everyone is going to like soccer, that's fine, but don't be a jerk about it.
 
2013-09-11 09:46:57 AM  

WTF Indeed: I want reasons why other people like it.


No, you really don't. You want a reason you should like it, which is an unanswerable question
 
2013-09-11 09:51:29 AM  

Lost Thought 00: No, you really don't. You want a reason you should like it, which is an unanswerable question


I'm never going to like it. But I honestly want to know why other people like it. You may not like baseball, but I can explain to you why I love it.
 
2013-09-11 09:51:31 AM  

WTF Indeed: Yanks_RSJ: So do you actually want an answer, or are you just trolling a soccer thread?  Because it seems like you've deemed the responses you've gotten so far unacceptable.

I want reasons why other people like it. So far all I've gotten is people trying to sell me the game. "Oh if you like American football you should like soccer." I don't hate soccer, I just can't sit down and watch a game or even a half. I want to know what makes it exciting to other people, and so far the only person that told me that only started to like it because he lived in Germany for a number of years.


You're asking people to explain their personal preferences?  You're never going to get an answer that satisfies you, it's like someone who doesn't like a particular food asking someone else to explain why they do like it.
 
2013-09-11 09:52:17 AM  

WTF Indeed: Lost Thought 00: No, you really don't. You want a reason you should like it, which is an unanswerable question

I'm never going to like it. But I honestly want to know why other people like it. You may not like baseball, but I can explain to you why I love it.


Okay, go ahead.
 
2013-09-11 09:52:51 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: You're asking people to explain their personal preferences?  You're never going to get an answer that satisfies you, it's like someone who doesn't like a particular food asking someone else to explain why they do like it.


I'm not looking for satisfaction in answers. I'm looking to try and understand a sport that I myself can not.
 
2013-09-11 10:00:48 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: eagles95: Subby from Mexico? Dos a cero

There's going to be a lot of angry gardeners and cook staff today


I wouldn't eat out for a while. There's going to be a lot of spitting in food in the kitchens.
 
2013-09-11 10:03:24 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: Okay, go ahead.


Baseball is a sport that is as mental as it is physical.  The cerebral nature of the game allows the fan to easily get beyond the win/loss outcome. Baseball is also a fine teacher since how one deals with failure is the cornerstone of the game.  You will see your favorite player on your favorite team fail more in his life than succeed which helps instill that very American ethos of "Well, things didn't work out today, but tomorrow is a new day."
 
2013-09-11 10:12:44 AM  

WTF Indeed: Yanks_RSJ: Okay, go ahead.

Baseball is a sport that is as mental as it is physical.  The cerebral nature of the game allows the fan to easily get beyond the win/loss outcome. Baseball is also a fine teacher since how one deals with failure is the cornerstone of the game.  You will see your favorite player on your favorite team fail more in his life than succeed which helps instill that very American ethos of "Well, things didn't work out today, but tomorrow is a new day."


That is so lame.
 
2013-09-11 10:13:49 AM  

WTF Indeed: Yanks_RSJ: Okay, go ahead.

Baseball is a sport that is as mental as it is physical.  The cerebral nature of the game allows the fan to easily get beyond the win/loss outcome. Baseball is also a fine teacher since how one deals with failure is the cornerstone of the game.  You will see your favorite player on your favorite team fail more in his life than succeed which helps instill that very American ethos of "Well, things didn't work out today, but tomorrow is a new day."


All I see there is an excuse to drink and cheer for something because you've always cheered for it.
 
2013-09-11 10:14:38 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Mid_mo_mad_man: eagles95: Subby from Mexico? Dos a cero

There's going to be a lot of angry gardeners and cook staff today

I wouldn't eat out for a while. There's going to be a lot of spitting in food in the kitchens.




Maybe they can drink away thier sorrows. It's not like they ain't going to be drinking anyway.
 
2013-09-11 10:15:55 AM  

WTF Indeed: Yanks_RSJ: Okay, go ahead.

Baseball is a sport that is as mental as it is physical.  The cerebral nature of the game allows the fan to easily get beyond the win/loss outcome. Baseball is also a fine teacher since how one deals with failure is the cornerstone of the game.  You will see your favorite player on your favorite team fail more in his life than succeed which helps instill that very American ethos of "Well, things didn't work out today, but tomorrow is a new day."


And that's an acceptable answer for you, but would be utterly meaningless to a person with absolutely no understanding of how the game is played, much in the same way the explanations you've been given so far have meant nothing to you.
 
2013-09-11 10:20:50 AM  
What a surprise - someone trolling a soccer thread with [stoplikingwhatidon'tlike.jpg]
 
2013-09-11 10:21:35 AM  

WTF Indeed: I need an explanation from soccer fans. For the life of me, I will never understand the appeal of soccer. To me it's 90 minutes of horribly slow paced ball placement with roughly 5 minutes of action near a goal. I've heard it compared to hockey, but hockey is extremely fast paced and soccer only resembles hockey in that the scores are low and it sometimes ends in a tie. I like Rugby, and like soccer it's roughly 80 minutes long but the action hardly ever stops.



I'm the opposite on hockey, despite the similarities.  Hockey just looks like chaos.  I can't tell why anything's happening or why certain shots are good and others not, etc.  In soccer I can see plays develop, defenses get out of place, superior individual or team play overwhelm the opponent.  How both sports are constructed you'll have great strings of passes fizzle away more often than not, but in soccer at least you can see it.  In hockey it's more based on freak luck and where the puck pops to.
 
2013-09-11 10:23:09 AM  

WTF Indeed: I'm not looking for satisfaction in answers. I'm looking to try and understand a sport that I myself can not.


If you play the game it'll be easier to understand. The passing, movement, and space management of the build up to a goal or a midfield battle doesn't look interesting when you don't know how difficult it is, because the pros make it look easy.

An example: http://deadspin.com/announcers-go-berserk-when-real-sociedad-scores-a - true-1173677279

This is a goal of sheer beauty and world-class skill from 4 different players, but someone who's watching soccer for the first time doesn't realize how difficult those first-touch volley passes are, even without pro defenders hounding you every step of the way.
 
2013-09-11 10:23:14 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: And that's an acceptable answer for you, but would be utterly meaningless to a person with absolutely no understanding of how the game is played, much in the same way the explanations you've been given so far have meant nothing to you.


I played soccer growing up, I know the rules, I know how it's played. So far only Mr.H and lilplatinum have told me what they love about it and I now understand where they are coming from. However, to me, it still appears like there is a very strong undercurrent of super-fandom, eg. "I'm a fan of everything and I will be loud and proud about it because WOOOHOOOO!"
 
2013-09-11 10:25:58 AM  

WTF Indeed: Yanks_RSJ: Okay, go ahead.

Baseball is a sport that is as mental as it is physical.  The cerebral nature of the game allows the fan to easily get beyond the win/loss outcome. Baseball is also a fine teacher since how one deals with failure is the cornerstone of the game.  You will see your favorite player on your favorite team fail more in his life than succeed which helps instill that very American ethos of "Well, things didn't work out today, but tomorrow is a new day."


Yeah, I don't buy this as a good selling point for baseball at all.

If failure is your marker, then soccer is really an incredible act of build-up and then demise of great offensive runs.  Whereas, e.g. American football is mechanistic conglomeration of territory before scores are punched through.  Whereas, e.g. basketball is a fluid drift of scoring runs back and forth, until one team begins to show superiority over time.
 
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