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(Kickstarter)   Guess what time it is... Farkette launching Kickstarter for her second novel   (kickstarter.com) divider line 27
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2013-09-10 10:12:22 PM
Who are you
 
2013-09-10 10:18:00 PM
its like farking PBS in here anymore. i pay $5 so i can get solicited to death.
 
2013-09-10 10:48:06 PM
I prefer my plugs of the anal version.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-09-10 11:43:37 PM
If the first book had been any good, you wouldn't need kickstarter, would you?
 
2013-09-11 12:21:13 AM
Man, lots of haters on here.

Writing is mostly a thankless job, typically doesn't pay great and you're putting yourself out there for scrutiny and rejection and all that.

As someone who has dabbled in fiction, let me just say good luck with the project!
 
2013-09-11 12:33:06 AM
I realize that there are probably too many rules to count surrounding the issue of buying equity stakes in the revenue created by the book, but that's probably the best way to get people to invest in these Kickstarter projects (other than simply purchasing it).
 
2013-09-11 12:34:52 AM
Is it a lingerie photo book?  Because that's what I'm interested in.
 
2013-09-11 01:24:59 AM

OgreMagi: Is it a lingerie photo book?  Because that's what I'm interested in.


Read the sixth word in the headline.

Then think about it for a minute.

Does that change your mind?
 
2013-09-11 01:46:04 AM
Damn.  I thought it said "navel."

Now that would have been novel.
 
2013-09-11 01:49:55 AM
If I had the money I'd donate but nonetheless, good luck to you.
 
2013-09-11 01:50:42 AM
Of course, if my brain was working...

Subby... if you ever want to come on my podcast and promote the shiat out of your stuff... EIP.

There. No money but I contributed in some way. ;D
 
2013-09-11 02:29:53 AM
*reads first sentence* "...puts away his blackberry"

You're going to need a glossary in the back to explain these archaic terms.

Best of luck though!
 
2013-09-11 04:08:46 AM
I will donate on the condition that every six word in the novel is changed to "lubricant".
 
2013-09-11 05:23:41 AM
Too much exposition. First rule of writing: Show, don't tell. Don't internalize the characters' motivations -- express them through action and activity. And always suggest, never explicate.

Also, it's very straight and flat. Some didactic imagery couldn't hurt. C'mon, purple up some of that prose. Make the writing fun and engaging. Just look at the first paragraph:

"Neal Hassan put away his Blackberry and stood on the curb, looking over the parking lot of the tiny Italian restaurant and waiting patiently for his cab. He had called it twenty minutes ago and provided a time, knowing that the cab's garage was less than five minutes away. He was beginning to wonder what was keeping it. Being so new to Atlanta, he did not know that the hit-and-run accident he seen on his news feed at Woodland Ave and Cheshire Bridge was between him and the cab garage, nor did he understand the mess it was making in traffic there. His cab was caught two cars behind the scene, waiting for police on the scene to clear it to go. "

This is a chore to slog through and 80% of it is irrelevant exposition. Why mention an accident (on a specific cross street no less) if it doesn't factor later on in the story? Every scene should set up the next scene or something later on -- employ Checkov's Gun. Think about only that which is essential to telling the story, and then convey it in a much more evocative manner. You can still keep third person omniscient, just don't be so descriptive with it. And this may be just a personal peeve, but I don't like telling the reader things the characters don't know. It's needless exposition that slows the story down. Let the reader into the story and relate to the character, and learn things as they learn them.

And don't forget the senses: What does the setting look like (day or night), feel like (sunny or rainy), smell like (wet dog or italian bistro?) What is the character hearing (traffic), seeing (restaurant patrons), feeling (cold or hot -- what is he wearing?)...etc... don't spend too much time inside your character's head and don't externalize his thoughts.

Try something like this:

Neal Hassan stood on the curb and sighed, lifting his head to catch the warm scent of garlic tomato sauce and baked bread wafting from the patio of a nearby Italian bistro. He shuffled nervously in place, catching his coat to protect against a vile gust of wind that suddenly targeted him, as if the city of Atlanta itself was sampling his scent, of memories and cities he previously visited. He stared down several taxis that turned onto his street, hoping the next one would be his but each one passed him by like yellow driftwood in a concrete river.

Or whatever. This is just a rough example. As the only pertinent things the opening paragraph sets up are the protagonist, the city, and his late cab, everything else is extraneous, wordy slush. Get rid of it.

This is all just my opinion, of course. You don't have to follow any advice and I apologize if I sound condescending. Just trying to help

Cheers.
 
2013-09-11 05:59:01 AM

Ishkur: Too much exposition. First rule of writing: Show, don't tell. Don't internalize the characters' motivations -- express them through action and activity. And always suggest, never explicate.

Also, it's very straight and flat. Some didactic imagery couldn't hurt. C'mon, purple up some of that prose. Make the writing fun and engaging. Just look at the first paragraph:

"Neal Hassan put away his Blackberry and stood on the curb, looking over the parking lot of the tiny Italian restaurant and waiting patiently for his cab. He had called it twenty minutes ago and provided a time, knowing that the cab's garage was less than five minutes away. He was beginning to wonder what was keeping it. Being so new to Atlanta, he did not know that the hit-and-run accident he seen on his news feed at Woodland Ave and Cheshire Bridge was between him and the cab garage, nor did he understand the mess it was making in traffic there. His cab was caught two cars behind the scene, waiting for police on the scene to clear it to go. "

This is a chore to slog through and 80% of it is irrelevant exposition. Why mention an accident (on a specific cross street no less) if it doesn't factor later on in the story? Every scene should set up the next scene or something later on -- employ Checkov's Gun. Think about only that which is essential to telling the story, and then convey it in a much more evocative manner. You can still keep third person omniscient, just don't be so descriptive with it. And this may be just a personal peeve, but I don't like telling the reader things the characters don't know. It's needless exposition that slows the story down. Let the reader into the story and relate to the character, and learn things as they learn them.

And don't forget the senses: What does the setting look like (day or night), feel like (sunny or rainy), smell like (wet dog or italian bistro?) What is the character hearing (traffic), seeing (restaurant patrons), feeling (cold or hot -- what is he wearin ...


If she makes her targets, she's intending to have the book professionally edited.
 
2013-09-11 06:59:41 AM
You know what I do when I want something? I save up for it. How hard is it to save a grand?
 
2013-09-11 07:55:52 AM

abhorrent1: You know what I do when I want something? I save up for it. How hard is it to save a grand?


But why should you pay for it and take all the risks when you can get money from the internet? If people want to fund her book for her why not? Hell I want to do an art book and if I can get all the funding first and know I can break even before I get them printed that would be amazing. No risk but all reward.
 
2013-09-11 09:00:06 AM

Tellingthem: abhorrent1: You know what I do when I want something? I save up for it. How hard is it to save a grand?

But why should you pay for it and take all the risks when you can get money from the internet? If people want to fund her book for her why not? Hell I want to do an art book and if I can get all the funding first and know I can break even before I get them printed that would be amazing. No risk but all reward.


This.  If the book costs 10k or whatever to do right, sell 10k worth of kickstarters.  Pay yourself a reasonable sum out of it (that you disclose in advance) for writing it.  Then the profits go to the investors.  If you want a part of the profits then you start chipping in on that 10k or don't pay yourself for writing it.
 
2013-09-11 11:22:15 AM
It's obviously an attempt at yet another "magickal-vampire-fantasy" trilogy, or serial.


Maybe the story itself is phenomenal and the farkette simply needs a co-author. Like Ishkur, whose spontaneous rewrite was pretty damn awesome I wanted more. Sometimes, truly great storytellers are lousy wordsmiths.
 
2013-09-11 02:42:02 PM
A grand for editing and cover art?

Hell, my editor charges $1 per thousand words and I got professionally done covers (as in, the artist is also used by conventional publishers) for about $100.

Mind you, the editing wasn't too involved (grammar, spelling, and any word/character/plot choices that jumped out at her as iffy)  and I helped the cover artist by locating the key images to knit together on the site for the image collection she uses, but still.  Quality can be had for less than a grand.

/does not support author kickstarters unless a higher threshold is truly needed (like with graphic novels)
//but I do buy Farker books, so let us know when it's published and I'll probably buy one
///good luck!
 
2013-09-11 03:33:10 PM

K.B.O. Winston: grammar, spelling, and any word/character/plot choices that jumped out at her as iffy


That's proofreading with a touch of editing.

And you should send along your cover artist to Subby. If there's someone doing professional cover art for $100 every author should get to take advantage.

Otherwise... yeah, it costs a lot to have full-on editing and cover art done. Sometimes people, like yourself, get lucky and fall into/find a great deal but most of the time people have to pay full price when going the self-published author route.
 
2013-09-11 03:48:28 PM
Happy to promote her (though she specializes in romance novels):

Tibbs Designs
 
2013-09-11 04:29:53 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: If she makes her targets, she's intending to have the book professionally edited.


If she hopes to secure donations, it would probably be prudent to put her best work forward, nay?
 
2013-09-11 04:53:14 PM

NickelP: Who are you


and again.
 
2013-09-11 05:37:53 PM

Ishkur: AverageAmericanGuy: If she makes her targets, she's intending to have the book professionally edited.

If she hopes to secure donations, it would probably be prudent to put her best work forward, nay?


Could be a ploy to show just how much editing help she needs.
 
2013-09-11 06:30:40 PM

wanquere: NickelP: Who are you

and again.


Sorry. This took off after I went to bed and was at work today.

I'm subby. Oh, and spidermann... would be so awesome. I will email you. Gmail does not like the ultrafark domain, so sent message from your site.

Ishkur - not bad. I'd probably go back and forth over a couple of things, but it's nice. Do you do editing professionally? I have someone lined up for this book, hence raising the funds, but who knows about next year (I'll have book 3 ... and yeah, I'll probably be pimping it on Fark.). Anyway, the accident does come into play in the next scene. FWIW, though, I do sometimes like to take Chekov's gun and drop it out a window. But not here.

re the subscription and solicitations...that's why I put it as FarkUs. :D

Paulseta - you donate $50k and I'll print up an autographed hardcover with lubricant every 6th word, just for you.

KBO - I'll post when it's released. If you want the first book, you can buy it from me at www.streetwraith.net/store.

Thank you for the well-wishes.

Snarkers, thank you for keeping the thread active. ;)
 
2013-09-12 11:16:34 AM

Livingroom: its like farking PBS in here anymore. i pay $5 so i can get solicited to death.


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You're paying too much.  I get solicited for free.
 
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