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2013-09-11 10:04:31 AM
FTFA: The firm hopes to allow developing countries to grow and produce their own 'plant eggs'.

'In developing countries, we can also add in things missing from the local diet, helping nutrient deficiencies, and we have had initial discussion with the world food programme about this.

'What we want to do eventually is find a way to work with farmers in the developing world to enable them to have new cash crops that can be used. Then we become the kind of company to be feared by the bad guys in the industry.


I am not an expert on the subject, but wouldn't planting huge fields of plants to process into an egg substitute be a lot more difficult and expensive for a developing than just getting a bunch of hens and farming eggs ?
 
2013-09-11 10:14:32 AM
heavymetal:  but wouldn't planting huge fields of plants to process into an egg substitute be a lot more difficult and expensive for a developing than just getting a bunch of hens and farming eggs ?

Not if you have super cheap labor available.

Chickens require maintenance and a level of security, if you're anywhere near where coyotes, stray dogs, raccoons, etc are. Which is pretty much everywhere. So it has a consistent level of input, too.
 
2013-09-11 11:41:02 AM

GORDON: What a useless, worthless invention.  The people who spent time working on that should feel bad for wasting their lives.


Not to go all Malthus on you, but there will come a day when the population of the earth exceeds our ability to grow food in the necessary quantitities.  It would have happened in the early part of the 20th century if the same guy who pioneer the use of chemical weapons hadn't first snagged a nobel prize for the process that creates ammonia  from atmospheric nitrogen, thus making artifical fertilizers possible.   When that day comes, domestic animals will be the first to go, as they are very wasteful in terms of amount of energy need to create a calorie of useable food.  You might be very glad of plant-based eggs substitutes in you 70's and 80's
 
2013-09-11 12:29:27 PM
No, no, and hell no

/no
//f**k off
 
2013-09-11 12:44:00 PM
I Can't Believe It's Not Eggs tm
 
2013-09-11 01:01:08 PM
Wow they fixed a problem that wasn't.
 
2013-09-11 01:17:53 PM
Dreyelle:

Wow they fixed a problem that wasn't.

I'm the most carnivorous person I know, but this still benefits me. Why? Because I like to cook, and some of my friends are vegan. So if I want to invite a mix of vegan and omnivorous friends over for dinner, I can still make egg bread or french silk pie without saying "sorry, you can't eat this" to some of my guests.

I don't get why people get so negatively wound up in threads whenever a vegan substitute gets developed... It's more options for me. I'm an omnivore who sometimes makes vegan dishes.
 
2013-09-11 01:36:01 PM
It's an obvious scam. They state "We can make really good mayonnaise". No such thing exists!
 
2013-09-11 01:43:36 PM

TwowheelinTim: panfried: This move to force veganism on everyone is alarming. Top of the food chain also means dominance over the wild, untamed vermin who will seize the top title if given the chance.  You enjoy becoming the chickens breakfast, the sheeps sex slave or giving up your breast milk for a cows bowl of cereal.  I, my friend, will continue to dine at the table of man, feast at the banquet of conquest. Yeah, I will savor the flesh of those who would seek to savor mine.  ;-/

I don't believe anybody is forcing anything here. If you understand how evolution works, keep eating a healthy omnivorous diet, and let the fools starve themselves to death.

On a side note, have you ever read the ingredient list on a typical vegan substitute *whatever*? That's some freaky $#!+ there.


That's what always confounded me.
"We took plants and processed the everloving crap out of them with all sorts of crap, no animals tho so healthy and natural."
That and always trying to make things taste like various meats.
 
2013-09-11 01:58:03 PM

Arsten: In that use, I can see it. But the US Military developed powdered whole eggs a long time ago. Why would they start using this instead of those?


Because it tastes like crappy plastic eggs and can't be used for baking apparently. That's why I mentioned real eggs for egg dishes and powdered eggs formulated for baking that would help save space where space is at a premium.
 
2013-09-11 02:08:56 PM

E5bie: Max Awesome: I used to buy eggs from a corner market that were awesome - big and brown with double yolks.

Then one day I opened a new carton and there was feathers and blood all over them.

Haven't bought eggs since then.

Two thoughts:

1) How the F does that even happen??? Seriously, WTF????

2) Meh, it shouldn't have affected the quality of the eggs. They're in shells after all.
Consider that well fed chickens lay more nutritious eggs, which look and taste better than the cheap ones.
Besides, you do know that ALL farm chickens enjoy the same retirement plan, right?

1) But again, for emphasis W...T....F....???


They were in unlabelled cartons sitting next to the cash resister in a family-run asian market so I figured they were probably straight from the farm without any pesky government inspectors or oversight. I should have known better.

I felt awful for the poor chicken that laid them though. Those suckers were HUGE.
 
2013-09-11 03:13:18 PM
Luse:

TwowheelinTim: panfried: This move to force veganism on everyone is alarming. Top of the food chain also means dominance over the wild, untamed vermin who will seize the top title if given the chance. You enjoy becoming the chickens breakfast, the sheeps sex slave or giving up your breast milk for a cows bowl of cereal. I, my friend, will continue to dine at the table of man, feast at the banquet of conquest. Yeah, I will savor the flesh of those who would seek to savor mine. ;-/

I don't believe anybody is forcing anything here. If you understand how evolution works, keep eating a healthy omnivorous diet, and let the fools starve themselves to death.

On a side note, have you ever read the ingredient list on a typical vegan substitute *whatever*? That's some freaky $#!+ there.

That's what always confounded me.
"We took plants and processed the everloving crap out of them with all sorts of crap, no animals tho so healthy and natural."
That and always trying to make things taste like various meats.


"this move to force veganism on everyone" strikes me as about as successful as the move to force Sharia law on Alabama and about as worrisome. Indeed, not even that.

So far as processing the everloving crap out of things...

Not everyone cares about "healthy or natural," as evidenced by the crap put into EVERYTHING that people still buy. Ever read the ingredients on things you have in your pantry right now, including the stuff that would qualify as vegan?

I don't worry about why some people won't eat certain things. Why doesn't a 10-year old like broccoli? Heck, I won't eat crustaceans because I know what they eat, even though some people think they're a delicacy. I've eaten exactly one fried tarantula and that was enough, I don't plan to eat any more. I grew up on a farm and know from birth to death how lambs live before they're slaughtered and cut up to make tasty, tasty lamb chops, and I'll eat the hell out of them anyway.

I've never questioned vegan friends as to *why* they will or will not eat things. And that may be why I've never gotten lectured on the reason and smug or moral issues were never involved.

Personally, I like having more options. See my above post.
 
2013-09-11 03:38:06 PM

Radioactive Ass: Because it tastes like crappy plastic eggs and can't be used for baking apparently. That's why I mentioned real eggs for egg dishes and powdered eggs formulated for baking that would help save space where space is at a premium.


The taste I can't comment on, but you can use powdered eggs for baking. It's something like 2 tablespoons of powder for a "large egg" mixed with a 1/4 cup of water. And then you pour your "egg" into your batter. In fact, I would think that it would be best for baking to avoid the horrid taste you speak of.

Like I said, I can't comment on the taste as I've never been....lucky enough to try them.
 
2013-09-11 03:41:29 PM

Devo37: Hickory-smoked: Devo37: panfried:
I never understood the vast lengths they go to in order to imitate the flavor,texture and mouth-feel of animal products.  Why not instead have a nice gourd steak, a spaghetti squash- spaghetti plate etc...


exactly!!  if they hate meat so much, why would they want to simulate the taste (often through pretty unnatural methods)??

Hey, did you know there's a whole article attached to the headline? And you can read it? It's true!

...and the article is about veggies wanting animal-based-type foods without the animals.

again, why is it okay to kill "plants" for your nutrition, but not "animals"??


You're trying to appear as if one can't recognize the health, environmental, and ethical consequences of Industrial Battery Farming without also being a hardcore Jainist.

I don't know if you're being a troll, per se, but I see no reason to treat your question as serious.
 
2013-09-11 04:06:26 PM
Hickory-smoked:

Devo37: Hickory-smoked: Devo37: panfried:
I never understood the vast lengths they go to in order to imitate the flavor,texture and mouth-feel of animal products. Why not instead have a nice gourd steak, a spaghetti squash- spaghetti plate etc...


exactly!! if they hate meat so much, why would they want to simulate the taste (often through pretty unnatural methods)??

Hey, did you know there's a whole article attached to the headline? And you can read it? It's true!

...and the article is about veggies wanting animal-based-type foods without the animals.

again, why is it okay to kill "plants" for your nutrition, but not "animals"??


Go on... Ask his/her meaty self why he wouldn't sit down to a heaping helping of roast dog from Vietnam, or a pile of Cambodian burrowing tarantulas fried in peanut oil and Knorr chicken seasoning ($7 US / a dozen!), or a roast Guinea Pig from South America, or, horse, or whale steak...

People are allowed to set their own limits on what they eat, last I checked. Push them into a corner, yeah, they might come up with moral arguments. But in the end, again, why would a child hate broccoli? Is it going to help you if it's some high moral principle? Does it actually matter?
 
2013-09-11 04:34:10 PM

maxheck: Luse:

TwowheelinTim: panfried: This move to force veganism on everyone is alarming. Top of the food chain also means dominance over the wild, untamed vermin who will seize the top title if given the chance. You enjoy becoming the chickens breakfast, the sheeps sex slave or giving up your breast milk for a cows bowl of cereal. I, my friend, will continue to dine at the table of man, feast at the banquet of conquest. Yeah, I will savor the flesh of those who would seek to savor mine. ;-/

I don't believe anybody is forcing anything here. If you understand how evolution works, keep eating a healthy omnivorous diet, and let the fools starve themselves to death.

On a side note, have you ever read the ingredient list on a typical vegan substitute *whatever*? That's some freaky $#!+ there.

That's what always confounded me.
"We took plants and processed the everloving crap out of them with all sorts of crap, no animals tho so healthy and natural."
That and always trying to make things taste like various meats.

"this move to force veganism on everyone" strikes me as about as successful as the move to force Sharia law on Alabama and about as worrisome. Indeed, not even that.

So far as processing the everloving crap out of things...

Not everyone cares about "healthy or natural," as evidenced by the crap put into EVERYTHING that people still buy. Ever read the ingredients on things you have in your pantry right now, including the stuff that would qualify as vegan?

I don't worry about why some people won't eat certain things. Why doesn't a 10-year old like broccoli? Heck, I won't eat crustaceans because I know what they eat, even though some people think they're a delicacy. I've eaten exactly one fried tarantula and that was enough, I don't plan to eat any more. I grew up on a farm and know from birth to death how lambs live before they're slaughtered and cut up to make tasty, tasty lamb chops, and I'll eat the hell out of them anyway.

I've never questioned vegan friends as to *why* they will or will not eat things. And that may be why I've never gotten lectured on the reason and smug or moral issues were never involved.

Personally, I like having more options. See my above post.


Actually looking at my pantry is what made me choose the natural, healthy diet. My meat comes from a butcher or hunter, my vegies are fresh, not canned etc. If that means no tomatoes this week, oh well.

As far as asking, I never do. I have had plenty of people offer their opinions however. They frquently involve the words, "savage, murder, chicken embryos". They normally culminate with a statement that my diet is "unnatural and unhealthy" all the while pushing their overly processed plant matter, shaped and flavored to resemble meat.
I am all for choice. Quinoa, rice or taters is a choice.
Compressed, superheated, chemically treated plant stuff shaped, dyed and flavored to taste like meat is crap.
 
2013-09-11 05:36:07 PM

Luse: As far as asking, I never do. I have had plenty of people offer their opinions however. They frquently involve the words, "savage, murder, chicken embryos". They normally culminate with a statement that my diet is "unnatural and unhealthy" all the while pushing their overly processed plant matter, shaped and flavored to resemble meat.


You'll notice that isn't happening in this particular case, though. Hampton Creek Farms is just looking for unprocessed plant oils that let you bake muffins without clogging rivers with chicken shiat.
 
2013-09-11 06:31:56 PM

Hickory-smoked: Luse: As far as asking, I never do. I have had plenty of people offer their opinions however. They frquently involve the words, "savage, murder, chicken embryos". They normally culminate with a statement that my diet is "unnatural and unhealthy" all the while pushing their overly processed plant matter, shaped and flavored to resemble meat.

You'll notice that isn't happening in this particular case, though. Hampton Creek Farms is just looking for unprocessed plant oils that let you bake muffins without clogging rivers with chicken shiat.


Eggs = Chicken shiat. See, you couldn't get out 2 sentences without proving my point.

Please, tell us exactly how much better their product is for the environment. Start by providing the amount of land and soil type necessary for the raw plant matter. The amount and source of fertilizer and pesticides used, the carbon footprint of the machinery used for planting, cultivating and harvesting of these items, not to mention the "heat and pressure" part of the process.  The list of every chemical used in the processing of them to turn them into the final product. T

You can't, because you don't know. It's much easier to go on the net and quite literally refer to a product as "shiat".
 
2013-09-11 06:57:35 PM
Luse

Hickory-smoked: Luse: As far as asking, I never do. I have had plenty of people offer their opinions however. They frquently involve the words, "savage, murder, chicken embryos". They normally culminate with a statement that my diet is "unnatural and unhealthy" all the while pushing their overly processed plant matter, shaped and flavored to resemble meat.

You'll notice that isn't happening in this particular case, though. Hampton Creek Farms is just looking for unprocessed plant oils that let you bake muffins without clogging rivers with chicken shiat.

Eggs = Chicken shiat. See, you couldn't get out 2 sentences without proving my point

Please, tell us exactly how much better their product is for the environment. Start by providing the amount of land and soil type necessary for the raw plant matter. The amount and source of fertilizer and pesticides used, the carbon footprint of the machinery used for planting, cultivating and harvesting of these items, not to mention the "heat and pressure" part of the process. The list of every chemical used in the processing of them to turn them into the final product. T

You can't, because you don't know. It's much easier to go on the net and quite literally refer to a product as "shiat".


What exactly were you trying to warn us about?

Chicken shiat is rather a big issue anywhere chickens are bred. As in Megatons and major pollution laws. Fortunately there are chicken breeders that convert chicken shiat into natural gas to heat chicken coops.
 
2013-09-11 07:05:24 PM

maxheck: Luse

Hickory-smoked: Luse: As far as asking, I never do. I have had plenty of people offer their opinions however. They frquently involve the words, "savage, murder, chicken embryos". They normally culminate with a statement that my diet is "unnatural and unhealthy" all the while pushing their overly processed plant matter, shaped and flavored to resemble meat.

You'll notice that isn't happening in this particular case, though. Hampton Creek Farms is just looking for unprocessed plant oils that let you bake muffins without clogging rivers with chicken shiat.

Eggs = Chicken shiat. See, you couldn't get out 2 sentences without proving my point

Please, tell us exactly how much better their product is for the environment. Start by providing the amount of land and soil type necessary for the raw plant matter. The amount and source of fertilizer and pesticides used, the carbon footprint of the machinery used for planting, cultivating and harvesting of these items, not to mention the "heat and pressure" part of the process. The list of every chemical used in the processing of them to turn them into the final product. T

You can't, because you don't know. It's much easier to go on the net and quite literally refer to a product as "shiat".

What exactly were you trying to warn us about?

Chicken shiat is rather a big issue anywhere chickens are bred. As in Megatons and major pollution laws. Fortunately there are chicken breeders that convert chicken shiat into natural gas to heat chicken coops.


Hickory seemed to imply that all that comes from chickens is chicken shiat with no benefits. On the other hand these "fake eggs" apparently are created from "vegetable oil" powered only by magic and unicorn farts. He also implied that the only motivation the company has is clean rivers.
I don't know what smells worse, his disingenuous argument, your lack of comprehension or the unicorn farts.
 
2013-09-11 07:26:38 PM
I'm usually a nice guy, but... yes. Let's just do this in your own words:

Luse:

maxheck: Luse

Hickory-smoked: Luse: As far as asking, I never do. I have had plenty of people offer their opinions however. They frquently involve the words, "savage, murder, chicken embryos". They normally culminate with a statement that my diet is "unnatural and unhealthy" all the while pushing their overly processed plant matter, shaped and flavored to resemble meat.

You'll notice that isn't happening in this particular case, though. Hampton Creek Farms is just looking for unprocessed plant oils that let you bake muffins without clogging rivers with chicken shiat.

Eggs = Chicken shiat. See, you couldn't get out 2 sentences without proving my point

Please, tell us exactly how much better their product is for the environment. Start by providing the amount of land and soil type necessary for the raw plant matter. The amount and source of fertilizer and pesticides used, the carbon footprint of the machinery used for planting, cultivating and harvesting of these items, not to mention the "heat and pressure" part of the process. The list of every chemical used in the processing of them to turn them into the final product. T

You can't, because you don't know. It's much easier to go on the net and quite literally refer to a product as "shiat".

What exactly were you trying to warn us about?

Chicken shiat is rather a big issue anywhere chickens are bred. As in Megatons and major pollution laws. Fortunately there are chicken breeders that convert chicken shiat into natural gas to heat chicken coops.

Hickory seemed to imply that all that comes from chickens is chicken shiat with no benefits. On the other hand these "fake eggs" apparently are created from "vegetable oil" powered only by magic and unicorn farts. He also implied that the only motivation the company has is clean rivers.
I don't know what smells worse, his disingenuous argument, your lack of comprehension or the unicorn farts.
 
2013-09-11 07:30:56 PM

maxheck: I'm usually a nice guy, but... yes. Let's just do this in your own words:

Luse:

maxheck: Luse

Hickory-smoked: Luse: As far as asking, I never do. I have had plenty of people offer their opinions however. They frquently involve the words, "savage, murder, chicken embryos". They normally culminate with a statement that my diet is "unnatural and unhealthy" all the while pushing their overly processed plant matter, shaped and flavored to resemble meat.

You'll notice that isn't happening in this particular case, though. Hampton Creek Farms is just looking for unprocessed plant oils that let you bake muffins without clogging rivers with chicken shiat.

Eggs = Chicken shiat. See, you couldn't get out 2 sentences without proving my point

Please, tell us exactly how much better their product is for the environment. Start by providing the amount of land and soil type necessary for the raw plant matter. The amount and source of fertilizer and pesticides used, the carbon footprint of the machinery used for planting, cultivating and harvesting of these items, not to mention the "heat and pressure" part of the process. The list of every chemical used in the processing of them to turn them into the final product. T

You can't, because you don't know. It's much easier to go on the net and quite literally refer to a product as "shiat".

What exactly were you trying to warn us about?

Chicken shiat is rather a big issue anywhere chickens are bred. As in Megatons and major pollution laws. Fortunately there are chicken breeders that convert chicken shiat into natural gas to heat chicken coops.

Hickory seemed to imply that all that comes from chickens is chicken shiat with no benefits. On the other hand these "fake eggs" apparently are created from "vegetable oil" powered only by magic and unicorn farts. He also implied that the only motivation the company has is clean rivers.
I don't know what smells worse, his disingenuous argument, your lack of comprehension or the unicorn fart ...


Not quite sure where you're going with simply re-quoting the whole post. Perhaps you haven't read the whole thread and therefore don't see that I am responding to more than one question of more than one person?
 
2013-09-11 07:39:23 PM
assets.inhabitots.com

This costs me $.99.  Maybe $1.50 at most.  Why the hell would I buy some veggie product BS?  And I sure as hell don't want them in my Egg McMuffins.
 
2013-09-11 08:10:39 PM
You know what else is a vegetable substitute for eggs in baking?

One teaspoon of soy flour plus a tablespoon of water.

I wonder what this new miracle product consists of?

Here's a whole webpage of egg substitutes:

http://vegweb.com/recipes/egg-substitutes

Then again, I wonder what Dream Whip(TM) is made of? I'm guessing that is not made of dreams or whips. And that it can't legally be called mayonnaise because that is a mixture of egg, lemon and milk.

Some plants used as egg substitutes according to various sources including the article and the website above:

apple sauce or other fruit puree
bananas
soybeans
potatoes
tapioca
flax seed
psyllium seed
peas
xanthum gum
vegetable oil
vegetable shortening
yeast (not a plant)
vinegar (made from grapes, apples, etc.)
pumpkin, apricot, prune puree
silken tofu (soyabean again

Other:
water
baking soda
baking powder
lecithin (various sources, see above)
 
2013-09-11 08:14:49 PM
I seldom keep eggs or milk on hand, so I use powdered substutes whenever possible.

I love hard-boiled eggs but don't really feel much need for scrambled, omelettes, etc. Restaurants generally don't do hard-boiled eggs because it takes longer and you need another pot. They tend to soft-boil them or take forever delivering them to the table, so I make do with over-easy, which at least means a real egg.
 
2013-09-12 01:23:27 AM

Luse: Please, tell us exactly how much better their product is for the environment. Start by providing the amount of land and soil type necessary for the raw plant matter. The amount and source of fertilizer and pesticides used, the carbon footprint of the machinery used for planting, cultivating and harvesting of these items, not to mention the "heat and pressure" part of the process.  The list of every chemical used in the processing of them to turn them into the final product. T

You can't, because you don't know. It's much easier to go on the net and quite literally refer to a product as "shiat".


I think you misunderstand me. If you read even a little bit about the major battery farms in the US, you'll see that the shiat I'm referring to is quite literal. There are multiple major rivers in the Midwest with severe contamination issues from chicken waste.

Now, do I have inputs for land use, chemicals, pesticides, or carbon-footprints for all the vegetable-based replacements being proposed? No, I don't. Obviously. But if those are issues you personally care about, you should again take another hard look at what's required to produce 79 billion eggs a year. Unless they end up clearcutting the Amazon for rare orchid nectar, it would be literally impossible to do worse than factory farms.

Finally, may I suggest switching to a decaffeinated brand? You seem very angry and combative for no clear reason.
 
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