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2013-09-11 01:13:52 AM

tjsands1118: Also if you never watch got around to watching Torchwood, imma go ahead and spoil it for you, Jack becomes mortal again in episode 1 of season 4.


And immortal again in episode 9...or ten. Been a bit.
 
2013-09-11 01:18:19 AM

ArcadianRefugee: ZeroCorpse: ///Never worshiped Satan, murdered, or raped.

Lucifer ("Satan") doesn't wish to be worshiped; what is the point in free will if you just turn yourselves over to someone/-thing else? The whole point of that episode in Eden was to get us to think for ourselves and not follow blindly some Jackass just on His say so.

Why else do you think "God" pushed him out?


Well, you see, I actually  was  a witch and really didn't believe in God or Lucifer, or anything regarding the Christian pantheon.

It was the early 80s, though, and people completely misunderstood what witchcraft was. Many people called me "the warlock" (because hey, that's what a male witch was on  Bewitched).
 
2013-09-11 01:21:12 AM

ZeroCorpse: Many people called me "the warlock" (because hey, that's what a male witch was on Bewitched).

25.media.tumblr.com

Oh, you!
 
2013-09-11 01:28:08 AM
I agree with what lots of folks are saying here, but I just can't imagine restricting my kid's access to the internet because other kids are being assholes. I might suggest deleting accounts and starting over with new more private accounts.

Now what I do agree with: no freaking smart phones for tweens, your first friend requests on your FB account better be mom and dad, etc.

My sis had a bullying issue in high school and it was luckily before the social network craze or texting. She ended up doing Independent Studies for quite a while when things got really bad.
 
2013-09-11 01:28:58 AM
i.crackedcdn.com

Geez, even this one made it out alive.

Mr. Dun Goofed passed away not long ago, apparently. But respect to him, at least he knew what was going on (kinda!) and tried to sort matters out.

/Dumb farking kids - go outside and play, ffs.
 
2013-09-11 01:29:20 AM

hardinparamedic: In reality, your teen is going to be using it to arrange sneaking out of the house at 3 in the morning to get laid. :)


i happened to overhear a g/f of my jr high school aged step daughter tell her to lie to me so they could go to the mall to meet some boys. my step daughter didn't lie to me but it was no surprise to us when her friend was pregnant by 16.
 
2013-09-11 01:29:22 AM

Acidicnads: I hope the other middle school girls who did this to her are tried as adults and put in prison for 20 to 30 years for homicide


in that case you better be building a LOT of prisons because there will be millions of new guests joining the fine Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation..
 
2013-09-11 01:30:37 AM
Your kid is being bullied on line?  Stop letting them go online.  Yes, it is isolating, but you've already gone as far to change schools or take them out of school and homeschool.  Stop letting them go online until they are able to gain perspective about what people are saying and how it actually affects them, ie, petty bullshiat said by teenagers online DOESN'T actually affect them unless the bullied kid lets it.  It's different than a punch to the face, you can choose to ignore it.  Eventually, when the kid has a little better perspective on internet behavior, the kid can begin to rebuild their internet interests on sites away from the bullies.  It's a very big internet.
 
2013-09-11 01:34:45 AM

GungFu: Geez, even this one made it out alive.

Mr. Dun Goofed passed away not long ago, apparently. But respect to him, at least he knew what was going on (kinda!) and tried to sort matters out.

/Dumb farking kids - go outside and play, ffs.


So... How old is that girl now?
 
2013-09-11 01:34:55 AM

bdub77: brobinson2001: And when that doesn't work "because, like, OMG my parents are suuuch d-bags!"?

Well first off I made a mistake to begin with. My kid isn't getting a goddamn cell phone at age 12.

Having said that, she's young but I'm pretty sure she's not gonna be a bully. If she is, her 'd-bag parents' are going to find some outlets for her aggression, Mr. Miyagi style. And I'm not entirely against hitting as a final nuclear option.


Because teaching an aggressive teenage twat-waffle martial arts is a good thing?
 
2013-09-11 01:35:36 AM
Color me shocked that the admins did nothing to help that kid out.  Oh, wait, I'll bet they told her to "tell a teacher/adult" if she was being bullied and who was doing it.  Yeah, that's the ticket, because we all know how kids LOVE to snitch on each other in middle school (or upper grades in elementary).  The majority of admins in my experience are craven petty spineless despots, or some combination thereof.  Yes, I know there are exceptions.  Farking morons.

grrrr
 
2013-09-11 01:36:35 AM
I'm just echoing the fact that I'm glad the internet as it is now didn't exist when I was a teenager. Damn. Also, being a teacher, this girl drama shiat is starting as early as kindergarten. I sometimes wonder how a kid so young can be so damn mean or such an asshole and then I meet the parent(s) and it all becomes clear.

I don't want to blame the mother but damn, though. You took her out of school and were homeschooling and she was STILL being bullied via online. Cut that shiat off if it's that damn bad. So frustrating that a child took their life because they thought there was no other way out.
 
2013-09-11 01:37:05 AM

zzrhardy: haolegirl:  As that gets spread around the school (and we all know how the game telephone works) it makes no difference if her mom unplugged the computer or not, she still got the brunt of all the hate those kids could send her way...

She was home schooled since feb.


And I'm guessing that's when the school did nothing to help (I think schools get paid by attendance?). I also think that if she had fb (or whatever) and she didn't have access at home, someone did have access and allowed her to go on there. Maybe she was just going on to "like" the comment her auntie a few states away posted to her. Either way, she would have heard all the nastiness when she got to school. And if you can honestly say that you don't know what it's like to cry yourself to sleep every night, and to wake up wondering what new hell you had to face that day, then really you can't say that telling her "chin up!" is gonna make it all better. I think Stephen King hit the nail on the head writing Carrie as opposed to Carl, girls are nasty to each other.
 
2013-09-11 01:46:03 AM

RenownedCurator: ut realistically, these other girls are also 12. They're vicious little beasts but they're kind of programmed to be that way. They're unlikely to really get the import of what happened to their victim for years. I also think that no matter how hounded someone has been, filing charges against someone because of someone else's suicide is a horrible precedent.


Not to go all femminist here, but we protect 12-year-old boys from the vicious behavior of other 12-year-old boys.

We've defined a legal system and society where "violence" is in a whole separate class from other forms of intentional interpersonal cruelty. In a broader context it's worth thinking about how that segregation of harms is both the result of traditional gender segregation and bad for men (like all segregation is hurts everyone, even the "better" class), but that's another discussion entirely.

When in conflict males tend to use direct violence; females tend to use social mechanisms (except in domestic relationships, when they're just as likely as males to use violence). But the intent of both actions is the same -- to hurt other people -- and it's not clear to me that intentional emotional harm should be any less of a crime than intention physical harm. We're slowly coming to the conclusion with respect to abuse cases, wherein psychological abuse is considered just as valid as physical abuse, but we're still a long way from accepting that concept in a wider context.

While I agree we shouldn't look backward from suicide (or any other self-direct event) to try to assign blame it is reasonable to define crimes around intentional harms to others, even absent actual violence of physical presence. It's easy to dismiss this as "just words" (in no small part because we have thousands of years of tradition telling us to do that) but imagine a husband saying these things to his wife over a period of years, while simultaneously working to limit her access to other social outlets, and using the requirements of law and her limited finances to ensure that she can't easily leave. We'd certainly call that behavior abusive, and at the very least we'd support the wife in efforts to leave and break off contact (including online/phone/etc. contact), and we might even prosecute the husband for his actions -- so why don't we offer the same support here for this 12-year-old girl who is required by law to attend school, not able to easily move or otherwise change schools for a whole variety of valid reasons, who has to put up with the social interference these other girls offered at that school, and who has to put up with all of this for years on end.

Or from an agist angle, consider this as a workplace harassment case -- if a group of your coworkers was harassing you, even outside of work, and you told your employer about it, we'd expect your employer to take action to end the behavior, possibly even firing your harassers. Why don't we expect the school to offer the same protection to its students?
 
2013-09-11 01:51:07 AM

adeist69: Jack Harkness  was, once upon a time, a Time Agent-- not a Time Lord. Please get your nerd facts straight.

Also, if you never got around to watching the last five years or so of Doctor Who, imma go ahead and spoil it for you: He's also The Face of Boe..


Correct. He was, however, resurrected by the heart of the TARDIS made manifest through Rose Tyler, which granted him immortality.
 
2013-09-11 01:52:44 AM

69gnarkill69: Yeah, turning off the phone and PC is hard.


Why does the victim of harassment need to cut themselves off from the world? I know the specific way in which 12-year-olds interact with the world is different than you, but that doesn't make it any less valid. Remember that 12-year-olds aren't allowed to drive (and don't have any money to buy other transportation) and were raised in a world where "writing" means "typing" and phone numbers belong to people not households. Try for just a second to imagine your primary means of social interaction being targeted by harassment against you and think about whether you'd be willing to give up the phone/snail mail/time at the pub/etc. in order to get away from some douchebag yelling at you before you start blaming this girl for wanting to be able to both use the Internet and not have people she knows personally tell her she should die.
 
2013-09-11 02:05:56 AM

69gnarkill69: Yeah, turning off the phone and PC is hard. If everyone that gets bullied killed themselves we would cease to exist.


Jim_Callahan: Everyone is going to be a dick occasionally.  People have bad days, just rub each other wrong, occasionally lash out for unrelated reasons, or are just innately dicks.

A very small percentage of people have occasional bouts of depression and lack the training to deal emotionally with other people being dicks to them.


The two of you don't seem to get that bullying isn't just an occasional thing, and that it doesn't happen to everybody. It's not the occasional rude gesture to someone, it is systematic psychological and sometimes physical torture. Also, keep in mind the girl was twelve, she wouldn't have the same maturity or defense mechanisms to handle it as a couple of internet tough guys. Good to know that Jim_Callahan is obsessed with dicks, though.
 
2013-09-11 02:11:00 AM
I went to crystal lake, its a ghetto area with teachers who don't give a damn. Few years ago a few hood rats bullied some kid so bad he committed suicide by jumping into a lake to escape his tormentors only to drown because he couldn't swim, but it was better then being bullied.
Am I surprised? Not at all, its pretty much sits on the skirts of the ghetto, just about every day there are fights at that school, were not talking about kids just behaving badly, were talking about kids beating the living crap out of other kids.

I remember kids charging a dollar a day for "protection" against bullies, bullies themselves were charging kids just for protection against other bullies, it was their way to spring a dollar or two. If you didn't pay then some jerk would run up behind you and pull your pants to the ground in front of an entire hallway if not ambush you on the way home from school or to a bus stop just to beat your ass.

I kind of wonder how bad this girl instigated the bullying, whether she ran her mouth to the wrong crowd because I really don't remember anyone being bullied just because of it, there was always something behind it.
 
2013-09-11 02:25:49 AM

haolegirl: zzrhardy: haolegirl:  As that gets spread around the school (and we all know how the game telephone works) it makes no difference if her mom unplugged the computer or not, she still got the brunt of all the hate those kids could send her way...

She was home schooled since feb.

And I'm guessing that's when the school did nothing to help (I think schools get paid by attendance?).


Do you see the hypocrisy in blaming the school for not fixing the problem, when the mother also did not fix the problem in the 7 months since she took over the very same responsibilities?
 
2013-09-11 02:34:19 AM

zzrhardy: haolegirl: zzrhardy: haolegirl:  As that gets spread around the school (and we all know how the game telephone works) it makes no difference if her mom unplugged the computer or not, she still got the brunt of all the hate those kids could send her way...

She was home schooled since feb.

And I'm guessing that's when the school did nothing to help (I think schools get paid by attendance?).

Do you see the hypocrisy in blaming the school for not fixing the problem, when the mother also did not fix the problem in the 7 months since she took over the very same responsibilities?


Not at all. When I was in Jr. High I rode the bus. At the end of the day at my stop I got off alone. An older neighbor boy took to meeting me at the bus stop and proceeded to show me more attention than I I was comfortable with. I told my dad who was in the principal's office the next day. That same day they had called the high school and that kid ended up in the office there. They managed to put the fear of god into him and that was the end of that. The mother called the school, they blew her off. I would hold them just as responsible as the girls, if not more so. Being adults, and having a position of authority, they had the ability to do something about the situation, and instead placed the onus on her to remove herself from the abusers.
 
2013-09-11 02:39:04 AM

profplump: RenownedCurator: ut realistically, these other girls are also 12. They're vicious little beasts but they're kind of programmed to be that way. They're unlikely to really get the import of what happened to their victim for years. I also think that no matter how hounded someone has been, filing charges against someone because of someone else's suicide is a horrible precedent.

Not to go all femminist here, but we protect 12-year-old boys from the vicious behavior of other 12-year-old boys.

We've defined a legal system and society where "violence" is in a whole separate class from other forms of intentional interpersonal cruelty. In a broader context it's worth thinking about how that segregation of harms is both the result of traditional gender segregation and bad for men (like all segregation is hurts everyone, even the "better" class), but that's another discussion entirely.

When in conflict males tend to use direct violence; females tend to use social mechanisms (except in domestic relationships, when they're just as likely as males to use violence). But the intent of both actions is the same -- to hurt other people -- and it's not clear to me that intentional emotional harm should be any less of a crime than intention physical harm. We're slowly coming to the conclusion with respect to abuse cases, wherein psychological abuse is considered just as valid as physical abuse, but we're still a long way from accepting that concept in a wider context.

While I agree we shouldn't look backward from suicide (or any other self-direct event) to try to assign blame it is reasonable to define crimes around intentional harms to others, even absent actual violence of physical presence. It's easy to dismiss this as "just words" (in no small part because we have thousands of years of tradition telling us to do that) but imagine a husband saying these things to his wife over a period of years, while simultaneously working to limit her access to other social outlets, and using th ...


You must have missed all that information about boys being bullied just as much as girls.  And with boys, it's usually expected that they "man up".   Do NOT cheapen the problem by trying to inject your femnazi bullshiat into the debate.  This is not a boy or a girl problem.  This is a kid problem.
 
2013-09-11 02:40:35 AM

ZeroCorpse: And we ALL faced gossip and insults at school. The difference is that we went home and didn't have to hear it anymore


This isn't necessarily true. Most kids have extracurriculars and some sort of social life after school.

ArcadianRefugee: Lucifer ("Satan") doesn't wish to be worshiped; what is the point in free will if you just turn yourselves over to someone/-thing else? The whole point of that episode in Eden was to get us to think for ourselves and not follow blindly some Jackass just on His say so.


If you're not a blind follower, why did you capitalize His and Jackass?
 
2013-09-11 02:55:46 AM
There needs to be more social shaming in schools.

If I was a Principal, I'd have a section of Morning Announcements every now and again that would publicly scold students for causing uncomfortable circumstances in school.

I'd say "Everyone, if Suzy McCoontHat, of X grade, is bothering you, don't listen to her. In fact, just stare at her with an angry glance that will haunt her nightmares. Or pretend she doesn't exist. Then maybe she won't be such a twat to everyone all the time. And Suzy, since I know you're listening, know that all your peers feel very sorry for you that you can't be a nice person, and that they believe you most likely will not amount to much in adulthood. In fact, if you don't adjust your attitude soon, it's rather likely you'll be a teen mom who never finishes high school and lives on welfare and food stamps because you're so mean, offensive, and rude no one will hire you for a job more valuable than flipping burgers part-time. And because of this you can look forward to leading a life of remorse for never getting over your bullshiat now, while you have the chance. The choice is yours, Suzy McCoontHat. You can learn to get along with people now, be happy with who you are and strive to be something better; or grow up to be the butt of everyone's jokes 15 years from now."

I'm sure a couple of instances of this reinforced by guidance counselors spending more time talking to the bullies instead of the bullied, and kids will be mostly happy. It's not perfect, but it has promise, no?
 
2013-09-11 03:09:01 AM

ZeroCorpse: Many people called me "the warlock" (because hey, that's what a male witch was on Bewitched).


There's only one true Warlock, and he has tiger blood in his veins. He assassinates people for the Vatican.

Misconduc: I kind of wonder how bad this girl instigated the bullying, whether she ran her mouth to the wrong crowd because I really don't remember anyone being bullied just because of it, there was always something behind it.


You're saying she was bullied because she definitely started it? What would she do to start it? Logic isn't your strongsuit.
 
2013-09-11 03:53:26 AM
www.slantmagazine.com

I am the future!
 
2013-09-11 05:17:07 AM
I hear "Chee Chee Chee Ah Ha Ah". That's also how I pronounce it when referencing Mr. and the late Mrs. Voorhies and everyone instantly knows what I'm referring to, so fark the rest of y'all.
/Holy crap! I just saw a commercial for a Superhero porn parody on Direct TV. It was a Superman one and it had Silver Banshee of all people!
// 1 month new to Direct TV.
 
2013-09-11 06:14:37 AM
ofsinope.files.wordpress.com

/rape is the answer
 
2013-09-11 06:22:16 AM
I can't post anything here that would accurately represent my opinions on this without getting banned.  Permanently.
 
2013-09-11 06:43:47 AM
I don't condone violence, but sometimes it's necessary. I was bullied in junior high ('87). Back then, bullying consisted of prank phone calls, a punch in the arm now and then, and getting my books knocked out of my hands. There was no *69 or caller id, so the calls became quite annoying. He also stepped us game with more frequent arm punches, etc.

I never "told on him" to the school administration because I knew that would just make it worse, plus there wasn't a big focus on dealing with bullies. My dad eventually told me to just "knock his block off".

One day, Jason (bully) walks up toward me while I was near the vending machines -- POP! Clocked his ass right there in the hallway. Perhaps it was a bit of a sucker punch, but fark it, that bastard had it coming. He started crying right there in front of everyone and ran off. Problem solved.

If i had taken that route nowadays, I'd be suspended, charged, sued, and poor butthurt-feelings Jason would come to school with a gun and mow down his classmates before turning the gun on himself.
 
2013-09-11 06:45:17 AM
Not surprising.  The school system I work for actually sent out an email to all schools telling us they were instituting a corp-wide "Bullying Intervention Program".  "Professionals" were hired and meetings held with staff and students for things like what to look for and how to put a stop to it.....


.......and then, about 2 months later, after bullying reports had actually increased, the school realized they were throwing money, and time, down a well so they emailed to tell us to NOT report any type of bullying because "administrators don't have the time to deal with filling out all of the paperwork required in the reports".
 
2013-09-11 07:16:54 AM

Last Man on Earth: x23: it is 'ki ki ki ki ma ma ma ma' ... the composer himself thinks anyone thinking it is 'ch ch ch ch ah ah ah' are raging morons.

Manfredini says, "Everybody thinks it's cha, cha, cha. I'm like, 'Cha, cha, cha? What are you talking about?'"

I've always heard "kah kah kah kah, ch ch ch ch."  Also, it doesn't matter what the composer intended, it doesn't magically change what the sound actually is.  He may have WANTED it to sound like "ki ki ki ki ma ma ma ma," but that's not how it came out.


It's actually supposed to be Jason telling his mother "Kill Kill Kill Kill Ma Ma Ma Ma"
 
2013-09-11 07:38:11 AM
Start kicking bullies out of school on the first offense, things should change pretty quick once parents start having to find something to do with their little squirts of shart.
 
2013-09-11 07:56:14 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Without a strong, stabilizing force like a father in the home

...

These kinds of arguments always crack me up.  "Children are best off with 2 parents, both a mom and a dad."  Really?  That doesn't depend at all on the actual quality of said parents?  My dad sucked.  He sucked so bad that at only 8 years old, I was glad when my parents got divorced and he moved out of the house.  Like, consciously glad - I went to my bedroom and celebrated.  8 years old.  My mom did a great job as a single mom, and I was way better off with my dad not there.

Single parents, foster parents, gay parents, biological parents - none of that matters.  Good parents is all that matters, and that can come in many forms and quantities.
 
2013-09-11 08:13:52 AM

zzrhardy: haolegirl: zzrhardy: haolegirl:  As that gets spread around the school (and we all know how the game telephone works) it makes no difference if her mom unplugged the computer or not, she still got the brunt of all the hate those kids could send her way...

She was home schooled since feb.

And I'm guessing that's when the school did nothing to help (I think schools get paid by attendance?).

Do you see the hypocrisy in blaming the school for not fixing the problem, when the mother also did not fix the problem in the 7 months since she took over the very same responsibilities?


If the unionized government employees had fixed the problem she would not have had to pull her child out of the government's school system which , no doubt, she still had to pay taxes to support. The unionized government employees of the school system also did nothing to make sure the bullying did not happen to other students ..

Friend had autistic son being bullied in school in Maryland. School's "solution" was to have him change classes five minutes earlier than the rest of the students so the bullies would not catch him in the hall.

Most civilian government employees will invariably take the path that means the least work for them so we should be surprised when this stuff happens. Just as law enforcement organization have no legal requirement to protect you, as an individual , form crime it would appear that government schools are taking the position that they no longer have a legal requirement to safeguard and educate the children under their care.

Yet Fark progressives are so ready to ridicule those responsible parents who prefer an alternative (home school, vouchers) to the education imposed by government and teachers unions.

Oh and before you start whining about the "not enough money" BS


blog.socrato.com
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2013-09-11 08:16:22 AM
I'm conflicted.  This is a terrible story but a hilarious headline.  I have never laughed prior to clicking on a link for a child suicide thread before.  Well done subby... I think.  Maybe not though?
 
2013-09-11 08:30:19 AM
It only continues through cyberspace if you let your kid on the computer.

Why was she coming home from school if the mom was home-scholling her?
 
2013-09-11 09:02:56 AM

EmmaLou: Girls that age are evil, evil spawns of satan.  I'm sure they don't even know why they act the way they do.  In my day, I could at least go home and get away from that crap.  I can't imagine being that age today and having to deal with that on the phone and online.


This. Parents seem to have a genetic inability to understand that their little princesses can turn into monsters if left unchecked.
 
2013-09-11 09:10:24 AM
Yes, every time an emotionally unstable child does something dramatically stupid, it is our fault. All of us.
 
2013-09-11 09:10:59 AM
God damn it subby you cracked me up.
 
2013-09-11 09:38:18 AM
In other news, Friday the 13th is a few days away.
 
2013-09-11 09:46:08 AM
Why are suicides exempt from blame? They made the choice to end their life. A suicide by definition is a solitary act, if it wasn't, then it would be murder. It still is murder even though the murderer always dies in a suicide, that doesn't make them innocent of the act.
 
2013-09-11 10:18:15 AM

Abacus9: ZeroCorpse: Many people called me "the warlock" (because hey, that's what a male witch was on Bewitched).

There's only one true Warlock, and he has tiger blood in his veins. He assassinates people for the Vatican.

Misconduc: I kind of wonder how bad this girl instigated the bullying, whether she ran her mouth to the wrong crowd because I really don't remember anyone being bullied just because of it, there was always something behind it.

You're saying she was bullied because she definitely started it? What would she do to start it? Logic isn't your strongsuit.


Did I say she definitely started it? No I asked what did she say to get bullied relentless - you only read half the story, while sad and tragic I've known people to bully then get bullied, clearly you missed that part probably due to a lack of reading comprehension.
 
2013-09-11 10:59:08 AM

FarknGroovn: I'm conflicted.  This is a terrible story but a hilarious headline.  I have never laughed prior to clicking on a link for a child suicide thread before.  Well done subby... I think.  Maybe not though?


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2013-09-11 11:00:38 AM

jankyboy: I don't condone violence, but sometimes it's necessary. I was bullied in junior high ('87). Back then, bullying consisted of prank phone calls, a punch in the arm now and then, and getting my books knocked out of my hands. There was no *69 or caller id, so the calls became quite annoying. He also stepped us game with more frequent arm punches, etc.

I never "told on him" to the school administration because I knew that would just make it worse, plus there wasn't a big focus on dealing with bullies. My dad eventually told me to just "knock his block off".

One day, Jason (bully) walks up toward me while I was near the vending machines -- POP! Clocked his ass right there in the hallway. Perhaps it was a bit of a sucker punch, but fark it, that bastard had it coming. He started crying right there in front of everyone and ran off. Problem solved.

If i had taken that route nowadays, I'd be suspended, charged, sued, and poor butthurt-feelings Jason would come to school with a gun and mow down his classmates before turning the gun on himself.


Actually quite the opposite.. if it's nowadays YOU would be the one taking the gun to school.. kill Jason, his friends a bunch of other folks.. maybe the teacher or two and then turn it on yourself.
 
2013-09-11 11:13:51 AM
Bullying is a normal part of life. Helicopter parents aren't doing their children any good by making them into permanent victims.
 
2013-09-11 11:51:30 AM

profplump: 69gnarkill69: Yeah, turning off the phone and PC is hard.

Why does the victim of harassment need to cut themselves off from the world? I know the specific way in which 12-year-olds interact with the world is different than you, but that doesn't make it any less valid. Remember that 12-year-olds aren't allowed to drive (and don't have any money to buy other transportation) and were raised in a world where "writing" means "typing" and phone numbers belong to people not households. Try for just a second to imagine your primary means of social interaction being targeted by harassment against you and think about whether you'd be willing to give up the phone/snail mail/time at the pub/etc. in order to get away from some douchebag yelling at you before you start blaming this girl for wanting to be able to both use the Internet and not have people she knows personally tell her she should die.


When your primary means of social interaction is media based, it is little wonder that we have a generation of socially retarded children who lack the skills to deal with everyday assholes.
 
2013-09-11 11:52:42 AM
When you teach people that words are permanently damaging, this is the natural result.
 
2013-09-11 12:20:43 PM
Do kids never fight anymore? Nobody even thinks of throwing a punch, using a science book to *WHAP* someone in the head anymore and yell "STFU"????

Am I that old??!?!??!?!?!

Sigh... I am....
 
2013-09-11 12:27:44 PM

Last Man on Earth: Arguments over the music aside, I have what might be a stupid question: Regular bullying I get, but in the case of cyber-bullying, what control does the school have over it, exactly? If the bullying is taking place outside of school grounds and not during the school day, I wouldn't think the school would have any real power. If a complaint is filed, they could maybe contact the parents of the bullies, but I don't think they have the authority to enact any real school punishments for extracurricular actions. "Negligence" implies that they could have and should have done more to prevent or reduce the harm, but what could they realistically have done?


Agreed.  The school isn't responsible.  The parents are, though.

RenownedCurator: I have two young daughters and am absolutely dreading middle school. I hated it, it was miserable and the girls were like a pack of wolves, but the internet was pretty basic and there was no easily-accessible social media. Once I got home, I was safe. What it will be like for my daughters if they're like I was, I can't imagine. But realistically, these other girls are also 12. They're vicious little beasts but they're kind of programmed to be that way. They're unlikely to really get the import of what happened to their victim for years. I also think that no matter how hounded someone has been, filing charges against someone because of someone else's suicide is a horrible precedent. If I, at age 12, had seen young suicides being canonized as victims and their bullies being pursued through the courts, well ... I'm not sure that the "It gets better" message would have been the one I took away from it.


The reason to bring charges is that the parents are almost certainly part of the problem.  Some parents actually want their kids to be bullies, others just don't do anything about it.

jankyboy: I don't condone violence, but sometimes it's necessary. I was bullied in junior high ('87). Back then, bullying consisted of prank phone calls, a punch in the arm now and then, and getting my books knocked out of my hands. There was no *69 or caller id, so the calls became quite annoying. He also stepped us game with more frequent arm punches, etc.

I never "told on him" to the school administration because I knew that would just make it worse, plus there wasn't a big focus on dealing with bullies. My dad eventually told me to just "knock his block off".

One day, Jason (bully) walks up toward me while I was near the vending machines -- POP! Clocked his ass right there in the hallway. Perhaps it was a bit of a sucker punch, but fark it, that bastard had it coming. He started crying right there in front of everyone and ran off. Problem solved.

If i had taken that route nowadays, I'd be suspended, charged, sued, and poor butthurt-feelings Jason would come to school with a gun and mow down his classmates before turning the gun on himself.


Violence is effective against single bullies.  It's worse than useless against gangs of bullies.
 
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