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2013-09-10 09:33:01 PM  
For all it's flaws including never quite leading to a satisfactory ending of its mythology, X Files is way beyond any of its copy cats.

The downside of the X Files includes that every 2 cent series that gets greened these days carries with it a terrible mythos arc that bookends craptacular standalone shows. So it's pablum with a more pablum cliff hanger hook.

And no, I clearly don't consider Breaking Bad a copy cat, but Fringe, Burn Notice, Eureka, just total schlock.
 
2013-09-10 09:36:43 PM  
Without X-Files, we likely would not have gotten Breaking Bad.
 
2013-09-10 09:38:24 PM  
Never really got into X-Files back when it was on. If I start watching now, should I start with S1E1, or is this one of those shows where you should skip the first 1-2 seasons?
 
2013-09-10 09:38:53 PM  
Without Twin Peaks, we'd have never gotten the X-Files.  Mulder was just Agent Cooper with less quirk.
 
2013-09-10 09:40:21 PM  
I'm still pissed off that they never truly answered if, indeed, the truth is out there
 
2013-09-10 09:40:59 PM  

MrEricSir: Never really got into X-Files back when it was on. If I start watching now, should I start with S1E1, or is this one of those shows where you should skip the first 1-2 seasons?


you should watch the episode with the guy who eats chicken heads.  The rest suck.
 
2013-09-10 09:43:26 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: MrEricSir: Never really got into X-Files back when it was on. If I start watching now, should I start with S1E1, or is this one of those shows where you should skip the first 1-2 seasons?

you should watch the episode with the guy who eats chicken heads.  The rest suck.


your mother is a whore
 
2013-09-10 09:44:27 PM  

MrEricSir: Never really got into X-Files back when it was on. If I start watching now, should I start with S1E1, or is this one of those shows where you should skip the first 1-2 seasons?


The opposite. It starts off strong, turns into classic TV, then goes out with a whimper. Watch until T-1000 shows up, then bail before it gets silly, or just focus on the strong standalones. The main mythology goes off the rails pretty bad because it just gets too complicated, with various alien and government factions doing stuff that makes no sense in the end.

Also, Andrea from the Walking Dead is just as annoying here.
 
2013-09-10 09:44:47 PM  

MrEricSir: Never really got into X-Files back when it was on. If I start watching now, should I start with S1E1, or is this one of those shows where you should skip the first 1-2 seasons?


Start at the beginning.
 
2013-09-10 09:45:33 PM  
If only Chris Carter had stuck to his plan of five years of a series, then movies....
 
2013-09-10 09:49:02 PM  

RoyBatty: For all it's flaws including never quite leading to a satisfactory ending of its mythology, X Files is way beyond any of its copy cats.

The downside of the X Files includes that every 2 cent series that gets greened these days carries with it a terrible mythos arc that bookends craptacular standalone shows. So it's pablum with a more pablum cliff hanger hook.

And no, I clearly don't consider Breaking Bad a copy cat, but Fringe, Burn Notice, Eureka, just total schlock.


So the stuff you like, the way you like it, great. The other stuff (and really, BURN NOTICE? You're comparing Fringe, Eureka, and X-files, to BURN NOTICE? Was White collar too modern? Was Suits too hip?) is crap? And the one show you do like couldn't possibly be a copy cat despite not being noticably different from the rest of the shows which are not noticably copy cats unless you define that to be 'any show user X here doesn't like'.

X-files was good (when it was good), Eureka is a strong show on its own right and doesn't have the 'mythos arc' or whatever. Unless you mean 'storyline continued through the seasons', in which case I now have no clue what you're ranting about.
 
2013-09-10 09:49:06 PM  

ThatDarkFellow: The All-Powerful Atheismo: MrEricSir: Never really got into X-Files back when it was on. If I start watching now, should I start with S1E1, or is this one of those shows where you should skip the first 1-2 seasons?

you should watch the episode with the guy who eats chicken heads.  The rest suck.

your mother is a whore


While that may be true, my comment still stands.
 
2013-09-10 09:51:08 PM  
I have that whole series and the movies here and have watched them within the past couple of years.

I can say that the stand-alone episodes hold up well and still entertain, but the overall story arc was a boring, convoluted mess worthy of Damon Lindelhof, who must have used that flawed creation as his production model for future work.
 
2013-09-10 09:52:01 PM  
Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose
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Beautiful episode. Just perfect. Peter Boyle is such a great actor.
 
2013-09-10 09:52:40 PM  

Mad_Radhu: MrEricSir: Never really got into X-Files back when it was on. If I start watching now, should I start with S1E1, or is this one of those shows where you should skip the first 1-2 seasons?

The opposite. It starts off strong, turns into classic TV, then goes out with a whimper. Watch until T-1000 shows up, then bail before it gets silly, or just focus on the strong standalones. The main mythology goes off the rails pretty bad because it just gets too complicated, with various alien and government factions doing stuff that makes no sense in the end.

Also, Andrea from the Walking Dead is just as annoying here.


I'll note that the penultimate episode, much as most of 9 is forgettable, is this lovely, weird and sad thing involving The Brady Bunch called Sunshine Days.  Guest starring Michael Emerson!
 
2013-09-10 09:53:21 PM  
I just spent the last few weeks watching the whole series and am watching the first movie now. Overall it was a pretty good show, even when Duchovny more or less left in season 8. The only problem I had was the whole alien takeover/government conspiracy part of the story line got to convoluted.

I have to disagree with the articles take on Fringe though, I think the show went downhill when they started doing nothing but the alternative universe shows, had they stuck with the original format it would have been much better.
 
2013-09-10 09:53:39 PM  

RoyBatty: Burn Notice


burn notice = macguyver. not x-files.
 
2013-09-10 09:57:44 PM  

tlchwi02: RoyBatty: Burn Notice

burn notice = macguyver. not x-files.


More A-Team than MacGuyver, but both certainly were major influences.
 
2013-09-10 09:59:50 PM  
I was a true X-Phile from the middle of Season Two up until after the season David Duchovny forced them to move production to LA so he could be near Tea Leoni. The movie was decent, but the whole bees/black oil subplot sucked rocks. The only Mythos Arc stories that had any coherence to them were the early ones: when Gillian Anderson got pregnant so they had to write her absence as an abduction, when the alien clone Samantha Mulder came back along with the Mighty Morphin Power Assassin, and when Krychek got trapped in a missile silo coughing black oil into a foo fighter. Once they hung everything on the concept of bees pollinating corn crops with alien viruses the mythology went all pear-shaped. But the Monster of the Week and Trope Sendup episodes were pretty spectacular up until the end. GungFu already mentioned Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose; I also submit Jose Chung's It Came from Outer Space, the circus sideshow episode, and the War of the Coprophages. Too many other good episodes to mention.
 
2013-09-10 10:01:33 PM  

JosephFinn: Mad_Radhu: MrEricSir: Never really got into X-Files back when it was on. If I start watching now, should I start with S1E1, or is this one of those shows where you should skip the first 1-2 seasons?

The opposite. It starts off strong, turns into classic TV, then goes out with a whimper. Watch until T-1000 shows up, then bail before it gets silly, or just focus on the strong standalones. The main mythology goes off the rails pretty bad because it just gets too complicated, with various alien and government factions doing stuff that makes no sense in the end.

Also, Andrea from the Walking Dead is just as annoying here.

I'll note that the penultimate episode, much as most of 9 is forgettable, is this lovely, weird and sad thing involving The Brady Bunch called Sunshine Days.  Guest starring Michael Emerson!


That's exactly the episode I was thinking of when I added that the standalones might be worth checking out in later seasons! I think that one was a Vince Gilligan episode, too, wasn't it? Some other great stand alones I love are Bad Blood (with Luke Wilson) and the Area 51 two parter with Michael McKean from Spinal Tap.
 
2013-09-10 10:02:27 PM  

RoyBatty: And no, I clearly don't consider Breaking Bad a copy cat, but Fringe, Burn Notice, Eureka, just total schlock.


Awww, "Burn Notice" is fun TV. It's not rocket surgery, but it's definitely enjoyable.
 
2013-09-10 10:03:08 PM  
Also, fun trivia fact: the X-Files and Luther take place in the same fictional universe.
 
2013-09-10 10:03:55 PM  
A few days ago I was walking through the supermarket and saw the second X-Files movie (circa 2008) in the DVD bargain bin.

I had totally forgotten that that movie even existed, and I saw it in theaters and was a big X-Files fan back in the day. The movie was just that forgettable. I still can't figure out why they made it so many years after the end of the series, and yet the plot is basically one-off X-Files episode with no connection to mythology.
 
2013-09-10 10:05:04 PM  
Kroonerman,  tlchwi02: RoyBatty: Burn Notice

burn notice = macguyver. not x-files.


My loss - I never saw MacGuyver.

Burn Notice is a copycat of X Files in that Burn Notice (at least the first several seasons) had a mythos arc apart from a standalone story arc.  When Burn Notice first came out it was compared to the Rockford Files, but pretty quickly the format of the show became:

A) 5 Minute open dealing with new case
B) 35 Minutes: Michael and Fiona need to use spy tactics, explosives and guns to help out some person we don't care about and will never see again.
C) 5 Minutes dealing with Burn Notice mythos leading to a cliff hanger till the next episode.

Same thing with Eureka and several other shows.

I realize I was biatching about this a few nights ago at the beginning of the Breaking Bad thread, sorry for my self-repeat.

But it's a problem I have learned about binge watching, and it's sort of like eating Hostess cupcakes. Given a box of Hostess cupcakes, I find after eating six of them that the only part I give a shiat about is the chocolate top. The rest is crap. So give me a box of Hostess cupcakes and I'll eat the tops of them and never miss the gooey, sugary center.

In that sense X Files has some classic standalone episodes that will be memorable TV and memorable drama for sometime.

Does Burn Notice or Eureka or White Collar have anything similar?
 
2013-09-10 10:05:20 PM  

Mad_Radhu: That's exactly the episode I was thinking of when I added that the standalones might be worth checking out in later seasons! I think that one was a Vince Gilligan episode, too, wasn't it?


It is indeed!  Written and directed by him.  He also wrote Bad Blood and co-wrote Dreamland, the Mike McKean episodes.
 
2013-09-10 10:05:35 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Without X-Files, we likely would not have gotten Breaking Bad.


The Danger Is Our There.

/meth-smoking man
 
2013-09-10 10:06:13 PM  

NeoCortex42: More A-Team than MacGuyver, but both certainly were major influences.


the voice over/montage spy gear building use just screamed mac at me, but now that you say it I get the A-team input
 
2013-09-10 10:06:26 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Also, fun trivia fact: the X-Files and Luther take place in the same fictional universe.


I'm finishing up Season 3 of Luther (which was much much better than seasons 1 and 2) as we speak, so can you explain that a bit please?
 
2013-09-10 10:06:41 PM  

Doc Daneeka: A few days ago I was walking through the supermarket and saw the second X-Files movie (circa 2008) in the DVD bargain bin.

I had totally forgotten that that movie even existed, and I saw it in theaters and was a big X-Files fan back in the day. The movie was just that forgettable. I still can't figure out why they made it so many years after the end of the series, and yet the plot is basically one-off X-Files episode with no connection to mythology.


It wasn't even a GOOD standalone. They should have gotten Vince Gilligan or Darin Morgan for the job.
 
2013-09-10 10:07:23 PM  
The Peacock Family!
 
2013-09-10 10:07:37 PM  
I'll tell you what always bugged me about the X-Files, they never bothered to gather any proof or evidence of the things they found. I mean what kind of idiot would investigating the kind of things they did and not carry a damn camera with them? I realize back in the 90s cameras weren't on every cell phone like they are today, but those single use cameras could be bought in every convenience store for about 5 bucks and they took pretty decent pictures.

I realize the whole point was that nobody was ever supposed to believe them, but that just got old after a while.
 
2013-09-10 10:08:36 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Also, fun trivia fact: the X-Files and Luther take place in the same fictional universe.


The Tommy-verse?

Yeah, yeah, most of TV takes place there.
 
2013-09-10 10:09:40 PM  

RoyBatty: Mad_Radhu: Also, fun trivia fact: the X-Files and Luther take place in the same fictional universe.

I'm finishing up Season 3 of Luther (which was much much better than seasons 1 and 2) as we speak, so can you explain that a bit please?


Luther makes a reference to Detective Munch from Homicide and Law and Order in one episode, and Munch shows up in an episode of the X-Files set in 1989 Baltimore.
 
2013-09-10 10:10:36 PM  

Mad_Radhu: MrEricSir: Never really got into X-Files back when it was on. If I start watching now, should I start with S1E1, or is this one of those shows where you should skip the first 1-2 seasons?

The opposite. It starts off strong, turns into classic TV, then goes out with a whimper. Watch until T-1000 shows up, then bail before it gets silly, or just focus on the strong standalones. The main mythology goes off the rails pretty bad because it just gets too complicated, with various alien and government factions doing stuff that makes no sense in the end.

Also, Andrea from the Walking Dead is just as annoying here.


It made no sense to YOU. Mainly because I don't think you really paid attention.
 
2013-09-10 10:10:50 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Mad_Radhu: Also, fun trivia fact: the X-Files and Luther take place in the same fictional universe.

The Tommy-verse?

Yeah, yeah, most of TV takes place there.


Wow, didn't know the rabbit hole went THAT deep.
 
2013-09-10 10:11:37 PM  

Mad_Radhu: RoyBatty: Mad_Radhu: Also, fun trivia fact: the X-Files and Luther take place in the same fictional universe.

I'm finishing up Season 3 of Luther (which was much much better than seasons 1 and 2) as we speak, so can you explain that a bit please?

Luther makes a reference to Detective Munch from Homicide and Law and Order in one episode, and Munch shows up in an episode of the X-Files set in 1989 Baltimore.


I wish there was a search engine loaded only with scripts.
 
2013-09-10 10:11:42 PM  
I feel the way about X-Files that I do about MacGuyver: at the time they were on they felt like such great shows. Mostly because everything else was comparatively pure dookie.

In retrospect, though, you can see the zippered suits, wooden acting and duct taped plot structure.

Don't get me wrong, it's entertaining, it's just that my memory of the X-Files is greater than my revisiting it on Netflix.

/And how did their cell phones get such great reception everywhere they went; that's the REAL conspiracy...
 
2013-09-10 10:14:20 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: I feel the way about X-Files that I do about MacGuyver: at the time they were on they felt like such great shows. Mostly because everything else was comparatively pure dookie.

In retrospect, though, you can see the zippered suits, wooden acting and duct taped plot structure.

Don't get me wrong, it's entertaining, it's just that my memory of the X-Files is greater than my revisiting it on Netflix.

/And how did their cell phones get such great reception everywhere they went; that's the REAL conspiracy...


Cells were analog those days. On AMPs, you could make a call halfway to the moon.
 
2013-09-10 10:15:14 PM  
farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2013-09-10 10:15:25 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: /And how did their cell phones get such great reception everywhere they went; that's the REAL conspiracy...


"Mulder, it's me."
 
2013-09-10 10:17:05 PM  

Mad_Radhu: RoyBatty: Mad_Radhu: Also, fun trivia fact: the X-Files and Luther take place in the same fictional universe.

I'm finishing up Season 3 of Luther (which was much much better than seasons 1 and 2) as we speak, so can you explain that a bit please?

Luther makes a reference to Detective Munch from Homicide and Law and Order in one episode, and Munch shows up in an episode of the X-Files set in 1989 Baltimore.


www.timferrante.com

Being that Millenium (which was awesome for the first 2 seasons) and X-Files exist in the same universe, I was surprised when this actress played a role.  Was she part of the Eve line of clones or not?
 
2013-09-10 10:19:58 PM  

Marc L'Hommedieu: Without Twin Peaks, we'd have never gotten the X-Files.  Mulder was just Agent Cooper with less quirk.


I know we frown on the all caps, but A LOT less quirk.

/I'm just going to assume that all of my favorite sh*t I kind of grew up on is 20 years old.  That about right?
//Ass still bruised from Nothing's Shocking thread, Alyssa Milano is 40, Nevermind, etc.
///Threes and what not.
 
2013-09-10 10:20:25 PM  
I travel a LOT for work and a couple of years ago I was given an iPod Touch as a gift.  I started streaming the X-Files on a trip to San Diego when I got stuck there because of winter weather.

I am not exaggerating when I say I cannot overemphasize how much viewing pleasure and just plain old comfortable continuity I experienced watching each season while traveling that year, watching them 15 or 20 minutes at a time while grabbing lunch in an airport or pizza in a hotel room.
 
2013-09-10 10:20:35 PM  
Fantasic show, even the shiatty episodes with Doggett and whatserface were better than most other shows.
 
2013-09-10 10:21:44 PM  

RoyBatty: For all it's flaws including never quite leading to a satisfactory ending of its mythology, X Files is way beyond any of its copy cats.

The downside of the X Files includes that every 2 cent series that gets greened these days carries with it a terrible mythos arc that bookends craptacular standalone shows. So it's pablum with a more pablum cliff hanger hook.

And no, I clearly don't consider Breaking Bad a copy cat, but Fringe, Burn Notice, Eureka, just total schlock.


Fringe was really cool. Anyone just dismissing it as an X-Files knock off really wasn't paying attention. "Oh, it has wacky things happening and agents, it's just like X-Files." Except for the hilarious mad scientist, an interesting alternate universe, time travel, an overarching storyline that concludes, etc.
 
2013-09-10 10:23:37 PM  

RatMaster999: Mad_Radhu: RoyBatty: Mad_Radhu: Also, fun trivia fact: the X-Files and Luther take place in the same fictional universe.

I'm finishing up Season 3 of Luther (which was much much better than seasons 1 and 2) as we speak, so can you explain that a bit please?

Luther makes a reference to Detective Munch from Homicide and Law and Order in one episode, and Munch shows up in an episode of the X-Files set in 1989 Baltimore.



Being that Millenium (which was awesome for the first 2 seasons) and X-Files exist in the same universe, I was surprised when this actress played a role.  Was she part of the Eve line of clones or not?


Terry O'Quinn also got blow'd up in the first movie, so there are a lot if dopplegangers running around in that universe.
 
2013-09-10 10:25:23 PM  
On Fringe: Been watching on on netflix, just finished off season 1... entertaining so far (good, not great).  Did get a kick out of a direct x-files reference when the director is in front of a senate review for funding, when they flat out say the fringe division IS the x-files division (senator says something like "... with the fringe division, an with the prior X designation..."

Stand-alone eps of X-files were far and away the best ones, the mythos of X-files was terribly boring.  Never liked the mythos eps when it originally airs, or when I re-watched it last year on netflix.
 
2013-09-10 10:26:54 PM  
The X-Files is the show I grew up on. I actually cried after the last episode, because I realized an important part of my childhood was gone forever.

PhDemented: Never liked the mythos eps when it originally airs, or when I re-watched it last year on netflix.


Some of the Mythos episodes were pretty good. Especially the one where the conspiracy all gets torched, along with their families. Talk about Karma.
 
2013-09-10 10:29:29 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Terry O'Quinn also got blow'd up in the first movie, so there are a lot if dopplegangers running around in that universe.


Fun part of watching series in a row is when you see minor actors playing different characters in different eps...

"Hey, wasn't that waiter a computer nerd last season?"

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouLookFamiliar
 
2013-09-10 10:32:42 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: ThatDarkFellow: The All-Powerful Atheismo: MrEricSir: Never really got into X-Files back when it was on. If I start watching now, should I start with S1E1, or is this one of those shows where you should skip the first 1-2 seasons?

you should watch the episode with the guy who eats chicken heads.  The rest suck.

your mother is a whore

While that may be true, my comment still stands.


I also, have heard things about your mother.
 
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