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(Think Progress)   In today's George Zimmerman thread we learn that he did have his gun on him when he confronted his wife and he smashed an iPad that had a video of the altercation   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 371
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2013-09-10 09:48:33 PM

gimmegimme: Here was my Weeners to you on the matter.


I'm a racist for suggesting that you watch the USA vs Mexico soccer game rather than wasting your time trolling this thread?

Are
you
being
serious
right
now
?
 
2013-09-10 09:51:21 PM
meyerkev: Stop it.  Stand your ground DOES NOT APPLY.

Please.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/07/stand-your-ground-george -z immerman-trayvon-martin

Just because Zimmerman's defense team didn't bring up Stand Your Ground in the trial (more on that below), that doesn't mean the law was irrelevant to the jury's decision. To the contrary, Judge Debra Nelson made clear in the jury instructions (PDF) that they should consider the law:

"If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
"

And consider it they did. According to the most outspoken juror, known only as Juror B-37, Stand Your Ground was key to reaching their verdict. She told CNN's Anderson Cooper in an interview that neither second-degree murder nor manslaughter applied in Zimmerman's case "because of the heat of the moment and the 'stand your ground.' He had a right to defend himself. If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him or he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right."

 http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/16/3502481/juror-we-talked-stand -yo ur-ground.html

Stand Your Ground allows a law-abiding citizen to "meet force with force, including deadly force" if he reasonably feels threatened in a confrontation. The NRA-drafted law, passed by the Florida Legislature in 2005, made two major changes to homicide cases:

• It changed standard jury instructions, which previously held that a person had a duty to retreat by using "every reasonable means," and,

• It gave prospective defendants the right to immunity from prosecution. To make the immunity determination, the courts established pre-trial Stand Your Ground hearings.


Zimmerman didn't take the opportunity to have immunity form prosecution, but the jury instructions were still changed. If Zimmerman had been held to the previous "every reasonable means" standard, the trial would have looked very different.
 
2013-09-10 09:51:52 PM

NightOwl2255: JAGChem82: Now tell me this, it's been about two months since his acquittal and he's been in trouble with the police three times and been in the news at least 6 times. Does this sound like some average Joe Citizen, or some braying asshole looking for a confrontation?

Don't you understand, just like all the accusers before the shooting, they are all liars! Liars I tell you! People have been maligning poor St. Zimmerman for years. He's as pure as the driven snow, and don't you forget it.


Meh.

To be fair after that media circus the guy would get press if he stopped to ask a cop for directions.

I think he got away with murder but then again the system spoke. You have to believe in the system
 
2013-09-10 09:54:25 PM

fiddlehead: HypnozombieX: To think the American right see this guy as some kind of folk hero.

Shooting a young black man and getting no jail time PLUS threatening his wife after she files for divorce? Damn right they see him as a hero.


Yet the left want to find something to convict him of while ignoring all the black on black crime, what did Chicago have in terms of shootings/murders all the outrage of the week of his not guilty verdict? Wasn't it like 70 or 80?

Selective amnesia, get outraged about shiat that matters, this case was at best on the edge of guilty. He's more guilty of being a pussy than anything else, he just shot the kid because he's a softy doughy mess and there's just no excuse for that if he really wanted to be in law enforcement.
 
2013-09-10 09:57:42 PM

adamatari: Maybe his ex is crazy, but the Z man sure has a lot of drama around him. Either he has horrible luck or he's got problems. Time will tell.


I think it's him being an idiot. The night that Martin died it was caused two idiots met and decided to fight. Not saying Zimmerman was right in shooting Martin but neither was Martin in hitting Zimmerman. They were both at fault and it all could have been prevented had they never met.
 
2013-09-10 09:57:53 PM
Curious that none of the GZ defenders from the nearless endless GZ trial are here right now.  They've no answer for this latest GZ behaviour.  So the guy basically uses his gun in any and all situations when he is merely "threatened" if you can call it that.  So I guess the iPad had it coming because it was a deadly weapon that could inflict grievous bodily injury or death.

I'm shocked and appalled by their absence.
 
2013-09-10 09:59:39 PM

Mi-5: Curious that none of the GZ defenders from the nearless endless GZ trial are here right now.  They've no answer for this latest GZ behaviour.  So the guy basically uses his gun in any and all situations when he is merely "threatened" if you can call it that.  So I guess the iPad had it coming because it was a deadly weapon that could inflict grievous bodily injury or death.

I'm shocked and appalled by their absence.


Are you sure they're not here...?
 
2013-09-10 10:01:26 PM

erikarcher: I bet it was a black iPad


Comment of the thread, last one out turn off the lights we're done here.
 
2013-09-10 10:02:03 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: HypnozombieX: To think the American right see this guy as some kind of folk hero.

No one sees this guy as a folk hero.


Read the comments on any local news sites. There's your teabagger base.
 
2013-09-10 10:02:49 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Can anybody give me directions to the gangbang?


You don't know where your mom lives?
 
2013-09-10 10:04:15 PM
The guy sure stands his ground a lot.
 
2013-09-10 10:04:59 PM
If he hadn't been completely victimized by the system, he wouldn't be falling apart like this now. The poor man.

/I was being sarcastic. Don't agree with me.
 
2013-09-10 10:06:47 PM

Mi-5: Curious that none of the GZ defenders from the nearless endless GZ trial are here right now.  They've no answer for this latest GZ behaviour.  So the guy basically uses his gun in any and all situations when he is merely "threatened" if you can call it that.  So I guess the iPad had it coming because it was a deadly weapon that could inflict grievous bodily injury or death.

I'm shocked and appalled by their absence.


Except he didn't and its only mentioned because the attention whore wife kept saying it over and over again.

And I said thread over, everybody out!!!!
 
2013-09-10 10:09:40 PM

freak7: 1. Shellie claimed that George punched her father in the face and that he had a "mark" and that it looked like his nose was broken. The police found no indication that the father had been struck. The father also declined in pressing charges for this phantom assault.

2. Shellie was on the phone with 911 when the police arrived on scene. She told the operator that the police were there and that George was in his car. The police say that George was standing on the lawn when they arrived.

3. Shellie claimed in the 911 call that George had his hand on his gun and was patting it, daring her to come closer. No gun was found on George. She then changed her story to say that she never saw a gun.

Somebody is going to jail, and it isn't George. Lying to 911 when on probation for lying to a judge is pretty farking stupid.


actually Mark O'Mara said George had the gun on him and was holding his hand over it so "it didn't move"  and so the father in law couldn't grab it.

he said some reports said George didn't have a gun but they aren't factual.
 
2013-09-10 10:11:15 PM

steamingpile: Mi-5: Curious that none of the GZ defenders from the nearless endless GZ trial are here right now.  They've no answer for this latest GZ behaviour.  So the guy basically uses his gun in any and all situations when he is merely "threatened" if you can call it that.  So I guess the iPad had it coming because it was a deadly weapon that could inflict grievous bodily injury or death.

I'm shocked and appalled by their absence.

Except he didn't and its only mentioned because the attention whore wife kept saying it over and over again.

And I said thread over, everybody out!!!!


actually the cops have the iPad and are going to to forensic data recovery on it if they can.
 
2013-09-10 10:11:55 PM

gimmegimme: Mi-5: Curious that none of the GZ defenders from the nearless endless GZ trial are here right now.  They've no answer for this latest GZ behaviour.  So the guy basically uses his gun in any and all situations when he is merely "threatened" if you can call it that.  So I guess the iPad had it coming because it was a deadly weapon that could inflict grievous bodily injury or death.

I'm shocked and appalled by their absence.

Are you sure they're not here...?


They'll be here until he does something completely indefensible (though at this rate he could join Al Qaeda and they'll be making excuses for him). Once that happens, you won't get anyone to admit they supported him and they'll move on to the next conservative cause célèbre. Who that will be is anyone's guess.
 
2013-09-10 10:12:00 PM

Hobodeluxe: freak7: 1. Shellie claimed that George punched her father in the face and that he had a "mark" and that it looked like his nose was broken. The police found no indication that the father had been struck. The father also declined in pressing charges for this phantom assault.

2. Shellie was on the phone with 911 when the police arrived on scene. She told the operator that the police were there and that George was in his car. The police say that George was standing on the lawn when they arrived.

3. Shellie claimed in the 911 call that George had his hand on his gun and was patting it, daring her to come closer. No gun was found on George. She then changed her story to say that she never saw a gun.

Somebody is going to jail, and it isn't George. Lying to 911 when on probation for lying to a judge is pretty farking stupid.

actually Mark O'Mara said George had the gun on him and was holding his hand over it so "it didn't move"  and so the father in law couldn't grab it.

he said some reports said George didn't have a gun but they aren't factual.


GZ supporter mindset:

Three months ago: MARK O'MARA IS A BRAVE HERO WHO IS PROTECTING ANOTHER HERO WHO RIDDED THE WORLD OF A THUG.  THE JURY SHOULD HANG ON HIS EVERY WORD.

Now: MARK O'MARA IS A LYING SOB WHO HAS IT OUT FOR GEORGE ZIMMERMAN.
 
2013-09-10 10:13:51 PM

Hobodeluxe: steamingpile: Mi-5: Curious that none of the GZ defenders from the nearless endless GZ trial are here right now.  They've no answer for this latest GZ behaviour.  So the guy basically uses his gun in any and all situations when he is merely "threatened" if you can call it that.  So I guess the iPad had it coming because it was a deadly weapon that could inflict grievous bodily injury or death.

I'm shocked and appalled by their absence.

Except he didn't and its only mentioned because the attention whore wife kept saying it over and over again.

And I said thread over, everybody out!!!!

actually the cops have the iPad and are going to to forensic data recovery on it if they can.


He didn't use his gun and I'm guessing his coonty wife had the iPad in his face being coonty.
 
2013-09-10 10:15:22 PM

steamingpile: Hobodeluxe: steamingpile: Mi-5: Curious that none of the GZ defenders from the nearless endless GZ trial are here right now.  They've no answer for this latest GZ behaviour.  So the guy basically uses his gun in any and all situations when he is merely "threatened" if you can call it that.  So I guess the iPad had it coming because it was a deadly weapon that could inflict grievous bodily injury or death.

I'm shocked and appalled by their absence.

Except he didn't and its only mentioned because the attention whore wife kept saying it over and over again.

And I said thread over, everybody out!!!!

actually the cops have the iPad and are going to to forensic data recovery on it if they can.

He didn't use his gun and I'm guessing his coonty wife had the iPad in his face being coonty.


So he did the right and moral thing, Broke her iPad and punched her dad.
 
2013-09-10 10:15:58 PM

Weatherkiss: If only we had a justice system that convicted criminals based on speculation, anecdotal evidence, and personal opinion delivered by internet lawyers none of this would have happened.


Criminal Just-us System.
 
2013-09-10 10:20:04 PM

steamingpile: Yet the left want to find something to convict him of while ignoring all the black on black crime, what did Chicago have in terms of shootings/murders all the outrage of the week of his not guilty verdict? Wasn't it like 70 or 80?


Whenever I see a white person pull this out of their ass, I have to wonder... are they REALLY that concerned about black people being killed, or do they simply want any murders of black people (especially young black men) to be excused with the "well they do it" train of thought?

Then I realize that it's the latter, and click the circle with the line through it.

/technology is a wonderful thing
 
2013-09-10 10:22:39 PM
 
2013-09-10 10:27:06 PM
Domestic dispute or not, Zim is a hero.  He saw a black kid walking around and said 'not on my watch'.
 
2013-09-10 10:28:35 PM

Hobodeluxe: actually Mark O'Mara said George had the gun on him and was holding his hand over it so "it didn't move"  and so the father in law couldn't grab it.

he said some reports said George didn't have a gun but they aren't factual.


O'Mara said he isn't representing George in this incident or his divorce and he wasn't at the scene. Police also said that Zim did not have a gun on him. Sounds like you're reading some bullshiat.
 
2013-09-10 10:34:15 PM

rewind2846: steamingpile: Yet the left want to find something to convict him of while ignoring all the black on black crime, what did Chicago have in terms of shootings/murders all the outrage of the week of his not guilty verdict? Wasn't it like 70 or 80?

Whenever I see a white person pull this out of their ass, I have to wonder... are they REALLY that concerned about black people being killed, or do they simply want any murders of black people (especially young black men) to be excused with the "well they do it" train of thought?

Then I realize that it's the latter, and click the circle with the line through it.

/technology is a wonderful thing


I agree with everything Bill Cosby says on the subject, his opinion pieces are true words of wisdom but go ignored in the black community. I don't excuse anyone's murder but I find whoever wants to biatch about this one murder while ignoring the larger issue going on in the black community of violence that's part of daily life to sound hypocritical and basically just out to get their name in the paper.
 
2013-09-10 10:35:14 PM

LasersHurt: steamingpile: Hobodeluxe: steamingpile: Mi-5: Curious that none of the GZ defenders from the nearless endless GZ trial are here right now.  They've no answer for this latest GZ behaviour.  So the guy basically uses his gun in any and all situations when he is merely "threatened" if you can call it that.  So I guess the iPad had it coming because it was a deadly weapon that could inflict grievous bodily injury or death.

I'm shocked and appalled by their absence.

Except he didn't and its only mentioned because the attention whore wife kept saying it over and over again.

And I said thread over, everybody out!!!!

actually the cops have the iPad and are going to to forensic data recovery on it if they can.

He didn't use his gun and I'm guessing his coonty wife had the iPad in his face being coonty.

So he did the right and moral thing, Broke her iPad and punched her dad.


Except he never punched her dad.
 
2013-09-10 10:39:03 PM

steamingpile: Hobodeluxe: steamingpile: Mi-5: Curious that none of the GZ defenders from the nearless endless GZ trial are here right now.  They've no answer for this latest GZ behaviour.  So the guy basically uses his gun in any and all situations when he is merely "threatened" if you can call it that.  So I guess the iPad had it coming because it was a deadly weapon that could inflict grievous bodily injury or death.

I'm shocked and appalled by their absence.

Except he didn't and its only mentioned because the attention whore wife kept saying it over and over again.

And I said thread over, everybody out!!!!

actually the cops have the iPad and are going to to forensic data recovery on it if they can.

He didn't use his gun and I'm guessing his coonty wife had the iPad in his face being coonty.


he didn't pull his gun out. but he had it on him. for some reason the cops didn't search his truck after they arrived. (he was at the truck when they pulled up there's a video of him doing the backwards perp walk when he surrendered to them.

there's also a video of him breaking into the IPad with a knife and then smashing the iPad on the sidewalk.
 
2013-09-10 10:40:16 PM

steamingpile: I agree with everything Bill Cosby says on the subject


And you totally have a black friend and thus are not racist, amirite?
 
2013-09-10 10:42:24 PM

freak7: Hobodeluxe: actually Mark O'Mara said George had the gun on him and was holding his hand over it so "it didn't move"  and so the father in law couldn't grab it.

he said some reports said George didn't have a gun but they aren't factual.

O'Mara said he isn't representing George in this incident or his divorce and he wasn't at the scene. Police also said that Zim did not have a gun on him. Sounds like you're reading some bullshiat.


police didn't search his truck. and that's where he was when they drove up was by his truck. O'Mara stated very matter of factly and without any hedging that George had his gun on him at the time of the incident. but that he didn't pull it out.
 
2013-09-10 10:47:37 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: steamingpile: I agree with everything Bill Cosby says on the subject

And you totally have a black friend and thus are not racist, amirite?


Nah I got no black friends anymore but I see this happens more and more as people get older.
 
2013-09-10 10:49:05 PM

zzrhardy: As an outsider this Zimmerman/Trayvon case is mystifying.

On one side you have someone who looks like a Zeta cartel member. On the other you have someone of African origin.

But somehow white people are to blame?


Us white devils are to blame for everything.  We thought we'd passed the buck to the Hispanics on this Zimmerman thing, though...
 
2013-09-10 10:49:22 PM

steamingpile: LasersHurt: steamingpile: Hobodeluxe: steamingpile: Mi-5: Curious that none of the GZ defenders from the nearless endless GZ trial are here right now.  They've no answer for this latest GZ behaviour.  So the guy basically uses his gun in any and all situations when he is merely "threatened" if you can call it that.  So I guess the iPad had it coming because it was a deadly weapon that could inflict grievous bodily injury or death.

I'm shocked and appalled by their absence.

Except he didn't and its only mentioned because the attention whore wife kept saying it over and over again.

And I said thread over, everybody out!!!!

actually the cops have the iPad and are going to to forensic data recovery on it if they can.

He didn't use his gun and I'm guessing his coonty wife had the iPad in his face being coonty.

So he did the right and moral thing, Broke her iPad and punched her dad.

Except he never punched her dad.


or they don't want to go to court over this and decided it wasn't in their interests to pursue charges? maybe they got paid off ? maybe they're afraid?

"We did not take a gun at all, because there was no reason to take a gun, because his gun was in his truck," Officer Bracknell said.
 
2013-09-10 10:51:18 PM
George Zimmerman is a lib and since there's not a black person that we can pretend is Obama to get a symbolic victory over, he's on his own this time suck it libs
 
2013-09-10 10:59:20 PM

Hobodeluxe: police didn't search his truck. and that's where he was when they drove up was by his truck.


George was standing on the lawn when the police arrived, they said so in a released statement. That's one of the many inconsistencies in Shellie's call to 911, she claimed that George was in his truck when police rolled up.
 
2013-09-10 11:00:28 PM
Jeebus TF goes to shiat more and more each year...
 
2013-09-10 11:04:53 PM

DittoToo: Jeebus TF goes to shiat more and more each year...


It's cheap.
 
2013-09-10 11:05:10 PM

steamingpile: I don't excuse anyone's murder but I find whoever wants to biatch about this one murder while ignoring the larger issue going on in the black community of violence that's part of daily life to sound hypocritical and basically just out to get their name in the paper.


Your concern is noted, you crusader for justice. Really.
/Seriously.
 
2013-09-10 11:06:22 PM
Smashing an iPod could hardly be considered suspicious. If anything, it would make him more sympathetic to a jury.
 
2013-09-10 11:06:44 PM
I cant believe you guys can't smell this. It's epic.
 
2013-09-10 11:10:19 PM

Gyrfalcon: DittoToo: Jeebus TF goes to shiat more and more each year...

It's cheap.


Buy me it? Ill tell ya a good joke
 
2013-09-10 11:19:26 PM

mediablitz: His father in law was coming at him.

Typical thug. He's lucky Zimmerman didn't protect himself. Father in law probably has pictures on Facebook doing gang signs and I BET he smoked weed sometime in his past.


He's lucky he wasn't carrying a pack of Skittles with intent.
 
2013-09-10 11:19:55 PM
arch.413chan.net
 
2013-09-10 11:20:12 PM

Weatherkiss: If only we had a justice system that convicted criminals based on speculation, anecdotal evidence, and personal opinion delivered by internet lawyers none of this would have happened.


Or maybe laws that weren't completely retarded.
 
2013-09-10 11:23:49 PM
Picture of the father-in-law:

cdn.sheknows.com
 
2013-09-10 11:23:57 PM

iheartscotch: The article is all supposition. So, pretty much as trumped up as the wife's claims.


Except the part where his attorney throws him under the bus
 
2013-09-10 11:26:51 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Only soccer moms and chronic sufferers of white guilt (so strong that Zimmerman is white) care about this non-story.
Trayvon is dead. Zimmerman is not guilty of murdering him.

You're not after #justice, you're after vengeance.


Yeah sure, Fergie. And OJ isn't guilty of murdering his wife. He's totally innocent.
 
2013-09-10 11:28:53 PM
Funny. I thought we learned that in the other articles about it.
 
2013-09-10 11:29:49 PM

rewind2846: steamingpile: I don't excuse anyone's murder but I find whoever wants to biatch about this one murder while ignoring the larger issue going on in the black community of violence that's part of daily life to sound hypocritical and basically just out to get their name in the paper.

Your concern is noted, you crusader for justice. Really.
/Seriously.


I crusade for nothing but I wont hesitate to rat on my neighbors or family if they fark up.

I think my point usually is that worry about shiat in your own community before biatching about shiat others do to people from your community. It makes it easier to take you seriously.
 
2013-09-10 11:31:53 PM

freak7: Hobodeluxe: police didn't search his truck. and that's where he was when they drove up was by his truck.

George was standing on the lawn when the police arrived, they said so in a released statement. That's one of the many inconsistencies in Shellie's call to 911, she claimed that George was in his truck when police rolled up.


there's a video linked in my earlier post. he's in the street,sees them coming and walks towards them they tell him to turn around and put his hands on his head and walk backwards.

cretinbob: iheartscotch: The article is all supposition. So, pretty much as trumped up as the wife's claims.

Except the part where his attorney throws him under the bus


and the surveillance video that shows him cutting up the iPad with a knife and smashing it like she described in her call.
 
2013-09-10 11:33:24 PM

Funbags: Smashing an iPod could hardly be considered suspicious. If anything, it would make him more sympathetic to a jury.


depends on what they find on it. if he was destroying evidence then they might not like it very much
 
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