Cletus C.: Well, that sure was a big ol' fuss over nothing.
the_dude_abides: TuteTibiImperes: Or, Obama and Putin have a chat at the G20 summit where they come up with a plan for Russia to pressure Syria to hand over the chemical weapons in exchange for no military strikes.that's a cute narrative, but let's look at the facts. kerry made the offer in an off-the-cuff remark. he finished by saying it's impossible and has no chance of happening. and then the state department walked it back immediately after the press conference was done.sorry, but i'll say it again -- anyone claiming the outcome we're seeing here is the result of the president's political genius is completely and utterly delusional. this is, at best, a fortunate turn of events that an incompetent administration stumbled onto by accident.
Infernalist: But, again, who cares who gets the credit. The weapons are being neutralized and in my book, that's the only thing that matters.
MyRandomName: Also remember. Iraq agreed to weapons inspectors too.
LasersHurt: jigger: I'm glad it worked out without the US getting into more bombing. But just because Obama and Kerry were able to save a little face in all this doesn't mean they're some kind of diplomatic geniuses.It also does not mean that they accidentally arrived here, or are bad at diplomacy like so many seem to want to assert. This is not an accident, and it's not "Putin's Plan" as some news organizations are selling it.Not that credit matters so much as peaceful resolution, of course.
Fart_Machine: I'm sure Putin would totally have made this proposal if we hadn't made a stink about it. After all a few weeks ago he denied Syria even used chemical weapons.
Dinki: Obama rattled his sabre, scaring everybody about another war. He then had Kerry mentions off-handedly a peaceful way out- Syria hand over their chemical weapons. The Russians jumped on that idea, and once again Obama proves he's playing 3 dimensional chess while the rest of the world is playing checkers.
DamnYankees: I'm still confused as to why anyone (i) thinks this is a "loss" for Obama or (ii) thinks about foreign policy in terms of political wins and losses and not substantive outcome.
JohnnyBravo: Ummm, (if I can respectfully disagree), we will not allow "the Russians" to solely secure and destroy the Syrian CW stockpile. Will not happen. It can only be politically done via the UN and OPCW. The Russians are good at CW...75% of their stockpile is destroyed under OPCW inspection. We are good at CW too...I dont have time to wear my fingers to the nub to prove that I know.The Russians have run rings around the State Dept on this. No doubt about it. Putin and his friends are very skilled at world diplonacy. It is embarrassing.
max_pooper: Gyrfalcon: voristrupp: and further, assad and the rebels have discovered that the world has no will to interfere the next time they decide to use CW.Seriously, the tokyo subway atacks demonsrrated that sarin is easy to make and not much is required to do real damage. all assad has to do is turn over 60% of his stockpile and say that's all he has. he doesn't need that much anyway to kill a bunch of civilians.So let's bomb them anyway, is what you're saying?Are you for going to war with Syria, or just pissed that we're NOT?I think he's pissed that he can't be pissed about Obama bombing Syria.
justaguy516: sno man: udhq: justaguy516: Anybody else think that Kerry should be fired now?On what grounds?Giving Assad an out? Putin an opportunity to look like a deal maker? Smoking the stock prices of all those military suppliers?How much face do you think he has lost in Israel and Palestine?
CanisNoir: Fart_Machine: I'm sure Putin would totally have made this proposal if we hadn't made a stink about it. After all a few weeks ago he denied Syria even used chemical weapons.We didn't "make a stink about it" - John Kerry responded to an ABC reporters question by exasperatedly and jokingly saying that Asaad could avoid military action by giving up all his weapons within a week but that he would never do it. The state department then immediately came out and said "by the way, he wasn't making an offer he was being rhetorical" and Kerry called the Russians saying "Hey, I was just joking."Putin and Asaad called their bluff and it is a win\win for Russia and Obama comes out looking only moderately foolish while weakening our position in them Middle East and ceding some of that position to Russia. Putin gets what he wants, Asaad left in power (in fact Asaad, today, carried out damaging air strikes against rebel positions where before the planes had been grounded fearing an American attack) and Putin becomes the major Actor and player in the region. You realize that part of Putins offer includes a resolution on our part not to use military action against Syria.So you've got the government that probably sold the weapons to Asaad in the first place saying they're gonna look after them, you've got the Government that's been beating the war drums heavy and hard for two weeks now, suddenly going "well, we don't *really* need to punish him, just getting the chemical weapons is enough" and now you've got the Rebels, who we're training and arming, suddenly faced with unrestrained attacks by Asaad and left on their own.This whole thing was bungled and amateurish, there's no way Obama can claim a win out of this, at best he can claim that he didn't lose as big as he could have.
gilgigamesh: Even if this was accidental, he skated out of a Kobayashi Maru scenario. And no matter how you slice that, that is about as win as it gets here.
TFerWannaBe: I don't care who gets the credit or if it's a complete accident, I'm celebrating the US not bombing people.
SnakeLee: So Obama avoided war, got a rouge nation to give up all of their chemical weapons and successfully worked with Russia with whom relations are strained with at the moment. All of that while not really spending any money. Clearly, he was outmaneuvered
Target Builder: Are they talking about Protocol II of the Geneva Convention? Or is there another chemical weapons convention?
Lt. Cheese Weasel: Liberal DerpCon5.Putin's Proposal to the UN over Syrian Chemical weapons WAS ACTUALLY OBAMA'S! GENIUS!!!!
jigger: LasersHurt: jigger: SnakeLee: So Obama avoided war, got a rouge nation to give up all of their chemical weapons and successfully worked with Russia with whom relations are strained with at the moment. All of that while not really spending any money. Clearly, he was outmaneuveredObama and Kerry pretty much blundered into the whole thing. Whatever. I'll take it.Whatever you need to tell yourself.It was all an elaborate plan by that genius, John F. Kerry.
HotIgneous Intruder: Assad still needs to be bombed to pieces, just on principal.Obama looks weak for not being punitive after a chemical attack.It's pretty sad when a tin-pot freak like Assad can play the United States for a fool.
hubiestubert: It avoids a loss of face for the Russians, it gives Obama a "carry a big stick" win, and it allows the Syrians to not get the sh*t "liberated" out of themselves.Clearly this is intolerable, so we will see this spun as the horriblest thing to happen since the $63,000,000 dog walking for the First Puppy...
Rev. Skarekroe: Obama?[newnation.sg image 468x560]How 'bout a little love for Vlad "The Impaler" Putin?
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