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2013-09-10 07:04:45 PM

MyRandomName: SnakeLee: So Obama avoided war, got a rouge nation to give up all of their chemical weapons and successfully worked with Russia with whom relations are strained with at the moment.  All of that while not really spending any money.  Clearly, he was outmaneuvered

Obama did nothing. Nothing.

Kerry made an unscripted commebt and said X would never happen. His aides and the white house back tracked on the comment hours later saying it wasn't a real offer.

Putin calls Syria and forms an agreement.

Kerry and Obama backtrack on their backtrack and declare victory. Idiot liberals praise Obama.


I would hope that high level UN diplomats wouldn't post on Fark, but here you are with the inside scoop. Now I know why agenda 21 is so stalled.
 
2013-09-10 07:05:35 PM
Is it still the position of President Barack Hussein Obama's administration that President Bashar Hafez al-Assad used chemical weapons on his own citizens? If it is, then bombs away.

Otherwise, allowing Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem to broker a deal like that is like letting a guy off for only using one bullet to kill another guy -- but only if he hands over the rest of his bullets to our competitor.
 
2013-09-10 07:05:58 PM
Also remember. Iraq agreed to weapons inspectors too.
 
2013-09-10 07:06:10 PM

rjucksch: tjfly: Thank YOU Pooty Poot!
Give that man a Nobel peace prize!

On cue:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/10/putin-is-one-who-really-de se rves-that-nobel-peace-prize/


Well it was his idea..... So......
 
2013-09-10 07:06:49 PM
nancy pelosi already planted the flag and declared victory for president obama... that woman has no shame lol
 
2013-09-10 07:06:58 PM

MyRandomName: Also remember. Iraq agreed to weapons inspectors too.


This isn't weapons inspectors.
 
2013-09-10 07:07:14 PM

DarwiOdrade: rjucksch: tjfly: Thank YOU Pooty Poot!
Give that man a Nobel peace prize!

On cue:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/10/putin-is-one-who-really-de se rves-that-nobel-peace-prize/

That McFarland woman is the one who really deserves to be punched in the coont.


#beingliberal

Indeed cheering your win.
http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/syrians-divided-on-support-for-russ i an-move-but-appear-to-agree-it-has-undercut-obama/2013/09/10/6434849c- 1a47-11e3-80ac-96205cacb45a_story.html
 
2013-09-10 07:08:16 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Tonight's performance should be epic.


Totally epic.
Earn that Peace Prize, Caesar Obama!
 
2013-09-10 07:08:40 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Assad still needs to be bombed to pieces, just on principal.
Obama looks weak for not being punitive after a chemical attack.
It's pretty sad when a tin-pot freak like Assad can play the United States for a fool.


*plonk*
 
2013-09-10 07:08:53 PM

DamnYankees: I'm still confused as to why anyone (i) thinks this is a "loss" for Obama or (ii) thinks about foreign policy in terms of political wins and losses and not substantive outcome.


Because some people see politics as a zero-sum game. The way my friend explained it to me is that if you win, you get three points, if you lose, your enemy gets three points, and if you compromise your enemy gets three points. The reason some people see it that way is because they are, well, assholes. The same sort of people who think they lost their job because of Affirmative Action.
 
2013-09-10 07:08:57 PM
hey, maybe we can call this way of doing business "the accident doctrine" or something
 
2013-09-10 07:09:43 PM

SenorBenedict: I thought Syria denied up until possibly today or yesterday to even be in posession of chemical weapons (not using, but even having them) so if they are admitting they have them, that's at least new.


as is fartbongo's interpretation of "red line"
 
2013-09-10 07:09:48 PM

CanisNoir:
This whole thing was bungled and amateurish, there's no way Obama can claim a win out of this, at best he can claim that he didn't lose as big as he could have.


Perhaps they did stumble serendipitously into this situation, but Obama can definitely claim it as a win.

His choices before yesterday were (1) take us into another military adventure in the Middle East at a time when the US is feeling very isolationist, and particularly so regarding the Middle East, or (2) slink away from the "red line" comment and try his best to blame Congress.

Even if this was accidental, he skated out of a Kobayashi Maru scenario. And no matter how you slice that, that is about as win as it gets here.
 
2013-09-10 07:10:01 PM
Also, so when the rebels use chemical weapons again, then ... DOH!
 
2013-09-10 07:10:02 PM

mediablitz: Now on Fox News "Obama shows he is weak, is forced to allow Russia to dictate terms".


At noon today I was driving and listening to Randi Rhodes on KTLK 1150, who is pleased that Syria is going to get rid of their chemical weapons program, sign a treaty and submit to inspections and all that, and the US didn't have to fire a shot.

After a few minutes I thought I'd flip over to KABC 790 to see who was yapping on the right, and there I heard Sean Hannity ranting about how Obama should be embarrassed that Russia didn't allow him to get the missile strikes he wanted, rambled for a minute about Kerry and his gaffe, and then speculated that Syria has already begun moving the weapons outside their borders like Saddam Hussein did with the WMDs.  Oh, and he doubled down on the allegation that the sarin gas Assad used actually were the missing WMDs from Iraq.

It's like "okay, cool, we stuck up for humanity and international law without actually having to kill more people" versus "HURR OBAMA BAD DURR."
 
2013-09-10 07:10:14 PM
I honestly don't give the first fark who gets the credit for this resolution, so long as it gets done.

That said, we always say that politics is just kabuki theater, so why make an exception in this case.

G20 summit convenes, Russia and America compare notes on the situation and devise a means for the Russians to offer a 'surprise' solution that lets them appear constructive and helpful and 'not' answering to the whims of the American government...

The American government gets what it wants without the military action.

The Syrian government gets to stay in power.

Israel is no longer potentially threatened by CW attack.

An equitable solution where everyone gets to look mature and adult-like, no blood is shed, no treasure is wasted, there's no change to the status quo and some very dangerous weapons are taken and destroyed.

With that firmly in mind, does anyone here think that any of this could have been brought to resolution without all parties actually acting responsibly for once?

But, again, who cares who gets the credit.  The weapons are being neutralized and in my book, that's the only thing that matters.
 
2013-09-10 07:10:37 PM

tjfly: SenorBenedict: I thought Syria denied up until possibly today or yesterday to even be in posession of chemical weapons (not using, but even having them) so if they are admitting they have them, that's at least new.

as is fartbongo's interpretation of "red line"

 
2013-09-10 07:11:24 PM

LasersHurt: tjfly: SenorBenedict: I thought Syria denied up until possibly today or yesterday to even be in posession of chemical weapons (not using, but even having them) so if they are admitting they have them, that's at least new.

as is fartbongo's interpretation of "red line"


How the hell did I post this, I don't remember clicking that.
 
2013-09-10 07:11:42 PM
I can't decide if the "0bama has failed again, this guy doesn't deserve to be President" people or the "ahh this was Obama's plan all along, he's playing chess and the world is playing Go Fish!!!" people are more annoying. I mean, you're both delusional, but it's a tough call as to which is more annoying.

At least we aren't blowing anyone up...yet. For that I am grateful.
 
2013-09-10 07:12:18 PM

MyRandomName: Also remember. Iraq agreed to weapons inspectors too.


Yeah and they were there and found nothing, yet an idiot cowboy in the whitehouse made up some shiat and away we went? So what are you saying Mr. Un Diplomat?
 
2013-09-10 07:12:19 PM
man, this thread is one bright-red sea of Derp. Obama must have pissed off all the right people.
 
2013-09-10 07:12:27 PM

SenorBenedict: HotIgneous Intruder: Assad still needs to be bombed to pieces, just on principal.
Obama looks weak for not being punitive after a chemical attack.
It's pretty sad when a tin-pot freak like Assad can play the United States for a fool.

Stop, just stop. Your trolls are weaker than Christian Ponder's throws down field.


Hey now, C-Pond aired it out Sunday. He's not even in the top 10 noodle arms in the league!
 
2013-09-10 07:12:28 PM

the_dude_abides: nancy pelosi already planted the flag and declared victory for president obama... that woman has no shame lol


Agreed, especially considering that the Asaad Regime couldn't guarantee the UN Inspectors safety when they went there to study the attacks, let alone while they dismantle and get rid of the chemical weapons caches. Anyone who think that will get done while Syria is in the midst of it's Civil War is fooling themselves. There are many things about this notion that scream "stalling tactic and no more".
 
2013-09-10 07:13:11 PM
Gawd.

it must suck going through life as angry as i see a lot of Conservatives & Republicans being.

could you imagine?

wake up angry, go to sleep angry, there's a potentially peaceful solution to a serious international human rights issue angry.  did they want to see people killed? and if the CW situation wasn't resolved, more people gassed? so long as Obama is President during the act, sure.

and why, hate?  who in the hell harbors that much hate for one person?

no way to go through life son. it's not living.
 
2013-09-10 07:16:28 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Oh great, now how will the war profiteers put food on their family? Hmmmmmmm? Any of you selfish peace freaks ever think of that? Of course not, all you're ever concerned with is yourselves. Bunch of jerk stores


These bombs aren't going to drop themselves, people!
 
2013-09-10 07:16:54 PM

Infernalist: But, again, who cares who gets the credit. The weapons are being neutralized and in my book, that's the only thing that matters.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-10 07:18:49 PM

mediablitz: I can breathe a sigh of relief, knowing Syria will go back to conventional killing.


Yes, luckily it's impossible to hide chemical weapons.
 
2013-09-10 07:20:33 PM
Syria is a mess, but however many chem weapons we can get out of that mess before it goes full retard is a win for the world. No matter who claims what.

There are no good sides in the battle for Syria, and the US should not be involved in picking winners or losers, put simply we are not very good at that in that region.
 
2013-09-10 07:21:42 PM
obama sackriders pretending this outcome is some kind of masterstroke in the president's genius plan is the most sad and delusional derp i've seen in a long time... jebus, you mouth-breathers just went megaton in the special olympics
 
2013-09-10 07:22:39 PM
I still think Obama should follow through on the alternative congressional resolution that authorizes force if Syria does not follow through.

Not so much for the additional gravitas, I think the way the situation has played out showed he doesn't need it, but rather to get all of congress to take a vote on record, especially the 7 senators and 40+ house members who publicly opposed the resolution after earlier criticizing Obama's "failure to act" in Syria.
 
2013-09-10 07:22:43 PM

Infernalist: But, again, who cares who gets the credit.  The weapons are being neutralized and in my book, that's the only thing that matters.


i'm with that 100% but it's not a done deal yet... let's keep our fingers crossed
 
2013-09-10 07:23:57 PM
This is amazing.  Obama and Kerry really know how to get shiat done.  Let's face it, our evidence that Assad ordered the chemical weapon attack was weak, too weak to convince the world that we needed to take the action we have threatened. Way too weak to convince Congress and the American people that we would attack.  But Putin and Assad are acting like air strikes were a done deal, no matter what happened in Congress, no matter that polls showed the American people were against strikes, not matter whether Assad used civilians as human shields, no matter all the threats of retaliation by Syria and its allies, they're were still convinced that Obama would attack if it was not absolutely clear that Assad's chemical weapons were taken from him.  That is the only reason why this deal was seized by the Russians and Syrians with both hands, like a drowning man thrown a rope.  This is a huge win for Obama, he turned a weak hand into a winning hand by forcing his opponents to throw in their cards.  And this is a great precedent for the world, use chemical weapons, and you will be treated like a child getting his toy taken away.  Great job, Obama team,
 
2013-09-10 07:31:07 PM

lacrossestar83: Infernalist: But, again, who cares who gets the credit. The weapons are being neutralized and in my book, that's the only thing that matters.

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O yea, let the dog-and-pony show begin! And don't skimp on the kool-aid. Refreshing!
 
2013-09-10 07:32:46 PM

CanisNoir: Fart_Machine: I'm sure Putin would totally have made this proposal if we hadn't made a stink about it. After all a few weeks ago he denied Syria even used chemical weapons.

We didn't "make a stink about it" - John Kerry responded to an ABC reporters question by exasperatedly and jokingly saying that Asaad could avoid military action by giving up all his weapons within a week but that he would never do it. The state department then immediately came out and said "by the way, he wasn't making an offer he was being rhetorical" and Kerry called the Russians saying "Hey, I was just joking."

Putin and Asaad called their bluff and it is a win\win for Russia and Obama comes out looking only moderately foolish while weakening our position in them Middle East and ceding some of that position to Russia. Putin gets what he wants, Asaad left in power (in fact Asaad, today, carried out damaging air strikes against rebel positions where before the planes had been grounded fearing an American attack) and Putin becomes the major Actor and player in the region. You realize that part of Putins offer includes a resolution on our part not to use military action against Syria.

So you've got the government that probably sold the weapons to Asaad in the first place saying they're gonna look after them, you've got the Government that's been beating the war drums heavy and hard for two weeks now, suddenly going "well, we don't *really* need to punish him, just getting the chemical weapons is enough" and now you've got the Rebels, who we're training and arming, suddenly faced with unrestrained attacks by Asaad and left on their own.

This whole thing was bungled and amateurish, there's no way Obama can claim a win out of this, at best he can claim that he didn't lose as big as he could have.


Mostly agree. And yet, I like the outcome. The Powers That Be failed to get their war on. Diplomacy accidentally worked this time.
 
2013-09-10 07:34:58 PM
I don't care who gets the credit or if it's a complete accident, I'm celebrating the US not bombing people.
 
2013-09-10 07:36:26 PM

TFerWannaBe: I don't care who gets the credit or if it's a complete accident, I'm celebrating the US not bombing people.


Yeah, Obama's still gonna be heavy on the "They better do this, otherwise it's 'Bomb's Away'" tonight.
 
2013-09-10 07:36:27 PM
This is weird...I can actually say that I submitted this with a better headline...
 
2013-09-10 07:36:28 PM

MyRandomName: SnakeLee: So Obama avoided war, got a rouge nation to give up all of their chemical weapons and successfully worked with Russia with whom relations are strained with at the moment.  All of that while not really spending any money.  Clearly, he was outmaneuvered

Obama did nothing. Nothing.

Kerry made an unscripted commebt and said X would never happen. His aides and the white house back tracked on the comment hours later saying it wasn't a real offer.

Putin calls Syria and forms an agreement.

Kerry and Obama backtrack on their backtrack and declare victory. Idiot liberals praise Obama.


Or, Obama and Putin have a chat at the G20 summit where they come up with a plan for Russia to pressure Syria to hand over the chemical weapons in exchange for no military strikes.  We get to avoid an unpopular war, and Russia gets to look like the hero swooping in to save the day.  Obama tells Kerry to make an offhand comment in his speech that the US would accept that course of action, but not to make it sound like an official policy statement so that the Russians can take credit.  Once the stage is set Putin goes to the Syrians and says that he thinks he can 'trap' the Americans into doing what we really wanted to do all along, and they agree.

Bingo-bango, it's done, and everyone gets what they wanted.
 
2013-09-10 07:37:37 PM

TFerWannaBe: I don't care who gets the credit or if it's a complete accident, I'm celebrating the US not bombing people.


Well the sad part is Syria will still murder the shiat out of its own people, but it is a positive we also won't be killing Syrians. Again there is no good outcome in Syria outside of some Star Trek solution.
 
2013-09-10 07:40:02 PM

SenorBenedict: Star Trek solution.


beam Assad onto the holodeck, put him in a CW scenario!
 
2013-09-10 07:47:34 PM

SenorBenedict: TFerWannaBe: I don't care who gets the credit or if it's a complete accident, I'm celebrating the US not bombing people.

Well the sad part is Syria will still murder the shiat out of its own people, but it is a positive we also won't be killing Syrians. Again there is no good outcome in Syria outside of some Star Trek solution.


Totally true. It's bad news all around, but our involvement should be limited to helping civilians (assuming that's even possible) and arranging neutral ground for peace talks if necessary. Let the combatants sort out the rest.
 
2013-09-10 07:47:58 PM

SnakeLee: So Obama avoided war, got a rouge nation to give up all of their chemical weapons and successfully worked with Russia with whom relations are strained with at the moment.  All of that while not really spending any money.  Clearly, he was outmaneuvered


With all the killing in Syria, no wonder they are red.

/Plus aligned with Communist China and Russia, and all.
 
2013-09-10 07:52:21 PM

gilgigamesh: Even if this was accidental, he skated out of a Kobayashi Maru scenario. And no matter how you slice that, that is about as win as it gets here.


I would still consider it to be laying along the "lose" axis not the win. Right now, there's no hope that the chemical weapons can be secured and removed because the security to do so isn't there, not to mention it took Libya 8 years to get rid of theirs, while there were not embroiled in a civil war and had far fewer chemical weapons. Meanwhile, military strikes are *completely* off the table for the foreseeable future because Putin is making that part of his initial offer; sure we're going to negotiate on that, but Asaad doesn't have to worry about it while we're negotiating, so effectively, he now has carte blanche to do what he pleases.

...and at the end of the day, there's no guarantee that we can agree on a negotiated settlement to this and we might be right back here in a few weeks to a month down the line. The presidents speech is only going to be 15 minutes and he's going to mention a "Russian led proposal" which tells me he's already back tracking and will hope for a change of topic while Syria flows to the background of the American psyche.

I don't feel so rosy about this; would like it to work out, but I'm quite cynical about it.
 
2013-09-10 07:55:19 PM
How long until the rightwing lunatics say this was a conspiracy between Obama and Assad to make Obama look better?
 
2013-09-10 07:56:24 PM

Befuddled: How long until the rightwing lunatics say this was a conspiracy between Obama and Assad to make Obama look better?


They're running with "it makes him look even worse, for reasons".
 
2013-09-10 08:05:50 PM
Remember, you're either with the Obama calk suckers or your again' them.
No middle ground.
 
2013-09-10 08:05:55 PM

LasersHurt: Befuddled: How long until the rightwing lunatics say this was a conspiracy between Obama and Assad to make Obama look better?

They're running with "it makes him look even worse, for reasons".


Sure, but today is Empty Suit Athiest Communist Day. Tomorrow is Islamofascist Dictator Day. Consistency has been the one hobgoblin the RWNJ's little minds haven't been haunted by.
 
2013-09-10 08:07:27 PM

LasersHurt: Befuddled: How long until the rightwing lunatics say this was a conspiracy between Obama and Assad to make Obama look better?

They're running with "it makes him look even worse, for reasons".


But of course. That script was written several days weeks months years ago.
 
2013-09-10 08:10:21 PM

SenorBenedict: MyRandomName: Also remember. Iraq agreed to weapons inspectors too.

Yeah and they were there and found nothing, yet an idiot cowboy in the whitehouse made up some shiat and away we went? So what are you saying Mr. Un Diplomat?


You got to wonder how far into the echo chamber MyRandomName  has wandered that he thinks the Iraqi Weapons inspectors failed. I'm betting he thinks WMD are still in Iraq, just really really well hidden.
 
2013-09-10 08:13:02 PM
If we don't go to war I will be pissed because those brownies have it coming.

If we do go to war I will be pissed because those spineless appeasers in Congress won't seize on it as an opportunity to impeach 0bamao.

If we don't go to war I'll be pissed that the president is making us look bad by not following through.

If we don't go to war I'll be pissed because America still won't admit what a spineless flip-flopper Snobama is.

If we do go to war I'll be pissed because we're broke and can't afford it.

Ad nauseum
 
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