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2013-09-10 06:30:19 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Oh great, now how will the war profiteers put food on their family? Hmmmmmmm? Any of you selfish peace freaks ever think of that? Of course not, all you're ever concerned with is yourselves. Bunch of jerk stores


All the cool kids are wearing meat this year?
 
2013-09-10 06:30:44 PM
Of course, if this chemical weapons business does all work out peacefully, I'm sure Republicans will stop biatching about Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize, right? ...Right?
 
2013-09-10 06:32:09 PM
4.bp.blogspot.comThank YOU Pooty Poot!
Give that man a Nobel peace prize!
 
2013-09-10 06:33:55 PM

Lackofname: Hey let's wait until the weapons are declared and handed over before we debate on whether it's a win/lose.


The Russians likely aren't too thrilled with Syria actually using chemical weapons. Syria depends on Russia for all their military gear and a lot else. So for Syria it's do what Russia wants or be very very screwed. And given that Russia has had no problem destroying their own stockpiles of chemical weapons and helping former Soviet states destroy their stockpiles, there's no reason to think they aren't going to destroy Syria's stockpile once they get to haul it off.
 
2013-09-10 06:35:04 PM
I love how the GOP now loves Putin because they percieve he's getting one over on Obama. Christ you idiots its just sad at this point.
 
2013-09-10 06:35:05 PM
Assad still needs to be bombed to pieces, just on principal.
Obama looks weak for not being punitive after a chemical attack.
It's pretty sad when a tin-pot freak like Assad can play the United States for a fool.
 
2013-09-10 06:35:15 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: Obama?
[newnation.sg image 468x560]

How 'bout a little love for Vlad "The Impaler" Putin?


never trust a slickback.

slickback; a man who has no body hair.
 
2013-09-10 06:36:13 PM

SenorBenedict: I love how the GOP now loves Putin because they percieve he's getting one over on Obama. Christ you idiots its just sad at this point.


Putin needs to encounter a SEAL Team.
 
2013-09-10 06:36:17 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Assad still needs to be bombed to pieces, just on principal.
Obama looks weak for not being punitive after a chemical attack.
It's pretty sad when a tin-pot freak like Assad can play the United States for a fool.


Stop, just stop. Your trolls are weaker than Christian Ponder's throws down field.
 
2013-09-10 06:36:47 PM
 
2013-09-10 06:37:40 PM
President Peace Prize lost the game.
 
2013-09-10 06:37:42 PM

SnakeLee: So Obama avoided war, got a rouge nation to give up all of their chemical weapons and successfully worked with Russia with whom relations are strained with at the moment.  All of that while not really spending any money.  Clearly, he was outmaneuvered


Obama and Kerry pretty much blundered into the whole thing. Whatever. I'll take it.
 
2013-09-10 06:38:21 PM

jigger: SnakeLee: So Obama avoided war, got a rouge nation to give up all of their chemical weapons and successfully worked with Russia with whom relations are strained with at the moment.  All of that while not really spending any money.  Clearly, he was outmaneuvered

Obama and Kerry pretty much blundered into the whole thing. Whatever. I'll take it.


Whatever you need to tell yourself.
 
2013-09-10 06:39:32 PM
Liberal DerpCon5.

Putin's Proposal to the UN over Syrian Chemical weapons WAS ACTUALLY OBAMA'S!  GENIUS!!!!
 
2013-09-10 06:40:03 PM

LasersHurt: jigger: SnakeLee: So Obama avoided war, got a rouge nation to give up all of their chemical weapons and successfully worked with Russia with whom relations are strained with at the moment.  All of that while not really spending any money.  Clearly, he was outmaneuvered

Obama and Kerry pretty much blundered into the whole thing. Whatever. I'll take it.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.


It was all an elaborate plan by that genius, John F. Kerry.
 
2013-09-10 06:40:41 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: President Peace Prize lost the game.


new-worlds.org
 
2013-09-10 06:40:45 PM

rjucksch: tjfly: Thank YOU Pooty Poot!
Give that man a Nobel peace prize!

On cue:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/10/putin-is-one-who-really-de se rves-that-nobel-peace-prize/


That McFarland woman is the one who really deserves to be punched in the coont.
 
2013-09-10 06:40:47 PM

zedster: Anyone that still thinks this was all due to John Kerry making an off handed remark I have a bridge to sell you in New York

This was obviously put in action at the G20 retreat, Kerry's "bluff" allows Syria and Russia to save face by appearing to call it.

That being said remember that Libya gave up their nuclear program to the US in 2004 for normalization of relations and we still ended up bombing them

//the similarity between the Libyan AQ Khan gear and Iranian AQ Khan gear allowed us to build Stuxnet


We ended up bombing them 8 years later. Nothing lasts forever.
 
2013-09-10 06:40:58 PM

SenorBenedict: HotIgneous Intruder: Assad still needs to be bombed to pieces, just on principal.
Obama looks weak for not being punitive after a chemical attack.
It's pretty sad when a tin-pot freak like Assad can play the United States for a fool.

Stop, just stop. Your trolls are weaker than Christian Ponder's throws down field.


Oh come on.
Putin has been inside Obama's OODA Loop from the beginning on this.
This outcome is completely in Putin's interest.
What's going on in Syria is a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia over gas transportation rights to Europe.
 
2013-09-10 06:41:18 PM

jigger: SnakeLee: So Obama avoided war, got a rouge nation to give up all of their chemical weapons and successfully worked with Russia with whom relations are strained with at the moment.  All of that while not really spending any money.  Clearly, he was outmaneuvered

Obama and Kerry pretty much blundered into the whole thing. Whatever. I'll take it.


I know, right? Just like that "killing Osama bin Laden" thing. Luckiest farker I've ever seen. ALL HE DOES IS WIN!!1!
 
2013-09-10 06:41:26 PM

jigger: LasersHurt: jigger: SnakeLee: So Obama avoided war, got a rouge nation to give up all of their chemical weapons and successfully worked with Russia with whom relations are strained with at the moment.  All of that while not really spending any money.  Clearly, he was outmaneuvered

Obama and Kerry pretty much blundered into the whole thing. Whatever. I'll take it.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

It was all an elaborate plan by that genius, John F. Kerry.


It doesn't have to be an elaborate masterstroke, either. It can just be things sort of working out pretty well with some solid international diplomacy.
 
2013-09-10 06:41:58 PM

Cletus C.: Well, that sure was a big ol' fuss over nothing.


Not nothing. The United States took a stand against chemical weapons and won the point. Obama made clear that he was willing to spend political capital in furtherance of America's stated interest in preventing combatants anywhere in the world from deploying chemical weapons, and in this instance at least, Syria blinked first. It has the potential to be a significant diplomatic success.
 
2013-09-10 06:42:00 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Liberal DerpCon5.

Putin's Proposal to the UN over Syrian Chemical weapons WAS ACTUALLY OBAMA'S!  GENIUS!!!!


...said absolutely no one.

/except that strawman over there.
 
2013-09-10 06:42:28 PM

sno man: Peter von Nostrand: Oh great, now how will the war profiteers put food on their family? Hmmmmmmm? Any of you selfish peace freaks ever think of that? Of course not, all you're ever concerned with is yourselves. Bunch of jerk stores

All the cool kids are wearing meat this year?


As long as we limit it to land mammals so that human beings and fish can co-exist peacefully.
 
2013-09-10 06:42:48 PM
Are they talking about Protocol II of the Geneva Convention? Or is there another chemical weapons convention?
 
2013-09-10 06:43:39 PM

Dinki: Obama rattled his sabre, scaring everybody about another war. He then had Kerry mentions off-handedly a peaceful way out- Syria hand over their chemical weapons. The Russians jumped on that idea, and once again Obama proves he's playing 3 dimensional chess while the rest of the world is playing checkers.


Kerry was on TV yesterday saying that Syria probably wouldn't gove up their chemical weapons only AFTER Putin offered this as a diplomatic solution, and Kerry's "saber rattling" was stating that the U.S. strike would be extremely small in scale... Whachoo smokin'?
 
2013-09-10 06:45:17 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Liberal DerpCon5.

Putin's Proposal to the UN over Syrian Chemical weapons WAS ACTUALLY OBAMA'S!  GENIUS!!!!


I'm sure Putin would totally have made this proposal if we hadn't made a stink about it. After all a few weeks ago he denied Syria even used chemical weapons.
 
2013-09-10 06:45:34 PM

LasersHurt: jigger: LasersHurt: jigger: SnakeLee: So Obama avoided war, got a rouge nation to give up all of their chemical weapons and successfully worked with Russia with whom relations are strained with at the moment.  All of that while not really spending any money.  Clearly, he was outmaneuvered

Obama and Kerry pretty much blundered into the whole thing. Whatever. I'll take it.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

It was all an elaborate plan by that genius, John F. Kerry.

It doesn't have to be an elaborate masterstroke, either. It can just be things sort of working out pretty well with some solid international diplomacy.


I'm glad it worked out without the US getting into more bombing. But just because Obama and Kerry were able to save a little face in all this doesn't mean they're some kind of diplomatic geniuses.
 
2013-09-10 06:47:34 PM

jigger: I'm glad it worked out without the US getting into more bombing. But just because Obama and Kerry were able to save a little face in all this doesn't mean they're some kind of diplomatic geniuses.


It also does not mean that they accidentally arrived here, or are bad at diplomacy like so many seem to want to assert. This is not an accident, and it's not "Putin's Plan" as some news organizations are selling it.

Not that credit matters so much as peaceful resolution, of course.
 
2013-09-10 06:47:43 PM

jigger: LasersHurt: jigger: LasersHurt: jigger: SnakeLee: So Obama avoided war, got a rouge nation to give up all of their chemical weapons and successfully worked with Russia with whom relations are strained with at the moment.  All of that while not really spending any money.  Clearly, he was outmaneuvered

Obama and Kerry pretty much blundered into the whole thing. Whatever. I'll take it.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

It was all an elaborate plan by that genius, John F. Kerry.

It doesn't have to be an elaborate masterstroke, either. It can just be things sort of working out pretty well with some solid international diplomacy.

I'm glad it worked out without the US getting into more bombing. But just because Obama and Kerry were able to save a little face in all this doesn't mean they're some kind of diplomatic geniuses.


Look there isn't a colum for "You won but you shouldn't have won." Its just wins and losses. If this goes through its a win for everyone who doesn't want chemical weapons in the middle east. Who the fark cares whose idea it was? Oh right assholes.
 
2013-09-10 06:48:13 PM

DarwiOdrade: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Liberal DerpCon5.

Putin's Proposal to the UN over Syrian Chemical weapons WAS ACTUALLY OBAMA'S!  GENIUS!!!!

...said absolutely no one.

/except that strawman over there.


Dinki: Obama rattled his sabre, scaring everybody about another war. He then had Kerry mentions off-handedly a peaceful way out- Syria hand over their chemical weapons. The Russians jumped on that idea, and once again Obama proves he's playing 3 dimensional chess while the rest of the world is playing checkers.


binarydissent.com
 
2013-09-10 06:48:35 PM

BMulligan: Cletus C.: Well, that sure was a big ol' fuss over nothing.

Not nothing. The United States took a stand against chemical weapons and won the point. Obama made clear that he was willing to spend political capital in furtherance of America's stated interest in preventing combatants anywhere in the world from deploying chemical weapons, and in this instance at least, Syria blinked first. It has the potential to be a significant diplomatic success.


This.  Gotta love watching Fark's resident superpatriots more or less cheer for Russia over their own country.  It's a thing of beauty..
 
2013-09-10 06:49:21 PM
Tonight's performance should be epic.
 
2013-09-10 06:50:22 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Tonight's performance should be epic.


I'm sure you'll have your talking points in hand well in advance.
 
2013-09-10 06:50:38 PM

SenorBenedict: Look there isn't a colum for "You won but you shouldn't have won." Its just wins and losses. If this goes through its a win for everyone who doesn't want chemical weapons in the middle east. Who the fark cares whose idea it was? Oh right assholes.


You can't have it both ways. You can't claim Obama is playing 3 dimensional chess at all times. Only assholes do that.

LasersHurt: jigger: I'm glad it worked out without the US getting into more bombing. But just because Obama and Kerry were able to save a little face in all this doesn't mean they're some kind of diplomatic geniuses.

It also does not mean that they accidentally arrived here, or are bad at diplomacy like so many seem to want to assert. This is not an accident, and it's not "Putin's Plan" as some news organizations are selling it.

Not that credit matters so much as peaceful resolution, of course.


But they did accidentally arrive here. Thankfully.
 
2013-09-10 06:50:59 PM
suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com
 
2013-09-10 06:51:50 PM
Lt. Cheese Weasel:


I'm sorry that things didn't turn out more disastrous so that you could rub death and war in the faces of everyone who supports out President.
 
2013-09-10 06:51:51 PM

Target Builder: Are they talking about Protocol II of the Geneva Convention? Or is there another chemical weapons convention?


The Chemical Weapons Convention is separate. In addition to the Geneva convention prohibitions on using CW, it also outlaws stockpiling and developing them. It also, IIRC, has verification mechanisms so it's not just a paper tiger.

So regarding this whole affair:
a) this is far from over. The resolutions by France and Russia are miles apart. This could all still fall apart.
b) they blundered into this solution, but it was a nifty intersection of mistake, circumstance, and initiative.
 
2013-09-10 06:51:59 PM
Damn. Nevermind.
 
2013-09-10 06:54:57 PM

jigger: SenorBenedict: Look there isn't a colum for "You won but you shouldn't have won." Its just wins and losses. If this goes through its a win for everyone who doesn't want chemical weapons in the middle east. Who the fark cares whose idea it was? Oh right assholes.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim Obama is playing 3 dimensional chess at all times. Only assholes do that.

LasersHurt: jigger: I'm glad it worked out without the US getting into more bombing. But just because Obama and Kerry were able to save a little face in all this doesn't mean they're some kind of diplomatic geniuses.

It also does not mean that they accidentally arrived here, or are bad at diplomacy like so many seem to want to assert. This is not an accident, and it's not "Putin's Plan" as some news organizations are selling it.

Not that credit matters so much as peaceful resolution, of course.

But they did accidentally arrive here. Thankfully.


You must have me confused for someone else? I didn't post anything about Obama playing chess. I posted its sad people are giving Putin credit over their own leader because they hate Obama. I almost wonder if it wasn't a plan worked out between Putin and Obama to deal with the Syria issue without either one coming off weak to their own country.
 
2013-09-10 06:55:25 PM

jigger: But they did accidentally arrive here. Thankfully.


Okay, sure. Sure. Like I said, it doesn't matter, and you can have it your way if you need to.
 
2013-09-10 06:55:46 PM

tjfly: Dinki: Obama rattled his sabre, scaring everybody about another war. He then had Kerry mentions off-handedly a peaceful way out- Syria hand over their chemical weapons. The Russians jumped on that idea, and once again Obama proves he's playing 3 dimensional chess while the rest of the world is playing checkers.

Kerry was on TV yesterday saying that Syria probably wouldn't gove up their chemical weapons only AFTER Putin offered this as a diplomatic solution, and Kerry's "saber rattling" was stating that the U.S. strike would be extremely small in scale... Whachoo smokin'?


Kerry said something in response to a question hours later Russia said "Hey what if we actually did that" and today Syria went "Hey, we'll at least say we're going to do that".

Don't know where you got your timeline here bub.
 
2013-09-10 06:55:57 PM

Fart_Machine: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Liberal DerpCon5.

Putin's Proposal to the UN over Syrian Chemical weapons WAS ACTUALLY OBAMA'S!  GENIUS!!!!

I'm sure Putin would totally have made this proposal if we hadn't made a stink about it. After all a few weeks ago he denied Syria even used chemical weapons.


That "denial" is still in place today.

No one (Putin or Assad) ever claimed, that Syria did not have chemical weapons.
The only ones who spout that Assad "used" said weapons are USA and its allies.

This UN over site of Syria's CW does not equate to Syria having actually used CW at all.

So go smoke on that.
 
2013-09-10 06:59:29 PM
I thought Syria denied up until possibly today or yesterday to even be in posession of chemical weapons (not using, but even having them) so if they are admitting they have them, that's at least new.
 
2013-09-10 07:00:14 PM

Fart_Machine: I'm sure Putin would totally have made this proposal if we hadn't made a stink about it. After all a few weeks ago he denied Syria even used chemical weapons.


We didn't "make a stink about it" - John Kerry responded to an ABC reporters question by exasperatedly and jokingly saying that Asaad could avoid military action by giving up all his weapons within a week but that he would never do it. The state department then immediately came out and said "by the way, he wasn't making an offer he was being rhetorical" and Kerry called the Russians saying "Hey, I was just joking."

Putin and Asaad called their bluff and it is a win\win for Russia and Obama comes out looking only moderately foolish while weakening our position in them Middle East and ceding some of that position to Russia. Putin gets what he wants, Asaad left in power (in fact Asaad, today, carried out damaging air strikes against rebel positions where before the planes had been grounded fearing an American attack) and Putin becomes the major Actor and player in the region. You realize that part of Putins offer includes a resolution on our part not to use military action against Syria.

So you've got the government that probably sold the weapons to Asaad in the first place saying they're gonna look after them, you've got the Government that's been beating the war drums heavy and hard for two weeks now, suddenly going "well, we don't *really* need to punish him, just getting the chemical weapons is enough" and now you've got the Rebels, who we're training and arming, suddenly faced with unrestrained attacks by Asaad and left on their own.

This whole thing was bungled and amateurish, there's no way Obama can claim a win out of this, at best he can claim that he didn't lose as big as he could have.
 
2013-09-10 07:00:59 PM

LasersHurt: jigger: I'm glad it worked out without the US getting into more bombing. But just because Obama and Kerry were able to save a little face in all this doesn't mean they're some kind of diplomatic geniuses.

It also does not mean that they accidentally arrived here, or are bad at diplomacy like so many seem to want to assert. This is not an accident, and it's not "Putin's Plan" as some news organizations are selling it.

Not that credit matters so much as peaceful resolution, of course.


I'm moderately happy in that the Russians were somewhat coerced into taking some responsibility for their client state. And that we didn't send in folks to bomb the crap out of folks already up their eyeballs in a round robin of conflict. There are no "good" sides in this mess, at least as far as US interests are concerned, and Russia stepping up is what should have happened at the outset. With Russia now on the hook, the Assad regime has embarrassed the Russians into cleaning up part of their mess, which means that the Eye of Sauron is pretty much on them. Which means that Russians will be making for damn sure to let them know to check their sh*t, because there is zero chance that they want the US, the French or the Brits anywhere near their Naval base, or interfering with their investments.

I said from the get go that nothing would happen without the Russians support, and that the issue was forced means that maybe the Russians will apply real pressure to end this mess.
 
2013-09-10 07:01:58 PM

sno man: Peter von Nostrand: Oh great, now how will the war profiteers put food on their family? Hmmmmmmm? Any of you selfish peace freaks ever think of that? Of course not, all you're ever concerned with is yourselves. Bunch of jerk stores

All the cool kids are wearing meat this year?


They were born that way
 
2013-09-10 07:03:12 PM

SnakeLee: So Obama avoided war, got a rouge nation to give up all of their chemical weapons and successfully worked with Russia with whom relations are strained with at the moment.  All of that while not really spending any money.  Clearly, he was outmaneuvered


Obama did nothing. Nothing.

Kerry made an unscripted commebt and said X would never happen. His aides and the white house back tracked on the comment hours later saying it wasn't a real offer.

Putin calls Syria and forms an agreement.

Kerry and Obama backtrack on their backtrack and declare victory. Idiot liberals praise Obama.
 
2013-09-10 07:03:12 PM
I'll just be glad if the chem weapons are removed. Means the AQ rebels won't have a chance of getting them, which is the real danger to begin with.
 
2013-09-10 07:04:13 PM

MyRandomName: Obama did nothing. Nothing.


So you mean that Syria would have surrendered their stockpile of Chemical Weapons by themselves, without any pressure from the US. Okay.
 
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