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(Pajiba)   When the showrunners of Game of Thrones came to GRR Martin to get permission to make the show, after a 5 hour meeting he asked them a test question to see if they "got" the books: "Who is Jon Snow's real mother?"   (pajiba.com) divider line 9
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2013-09-10 04:49:30 PM
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Slaxl: I don't keep up on theories, but I do remember whilst reading it thinking that Ned might not be the father, but she might, but I can't remember when I thought that, or why. It was too long ago.


The quick rundown:

The more we hear about him, Rhaegar wasn't the monster that his father was. He was a fairly reasonable and honorable dude, in that context at least. There's actually a supportable side theory that he was planning a coup to depose his insane father. He didn't actually "abduct" Lyanna; that is what Robert chooses to believe because he was in love with her. Rather, they ran away together. Lyanna was being protected at the Tower of Joy by three of the Kingsguard, including Rhaegar's best friend, who had no reason to be standing between Ned and a simple prisoner of war. Ned found Lyanna in a "bed of blood," strongly implying childbirth, especially because there's never been any implication that anyone willfully injured her. Lyanna make Ned "promise" something, likely to keep secret her son's lineage, as his life would be forfeit if Robert ever found out (see, e.g., Robert calling out a hit on Dany and Viserys). Ned sacrifices his honor and lies that he knocked up a maid to create a cover story for Jon's existence.
2013-09-10 08:19:47 PM
2 votes:

liam76: Robert may no know.

I think it is pretty thin, but it is still possible.

Ned doesn't want it known that his sister had sex out of wedlock.


I just don't see why anyone thinks these are  betterexplanations than Lyanna being the mother. What's wrong with that theory which requires searching for stranger ones?
2013-09-10 04:54:56 PM
2 votes:

kronicfeld: Slaxl: I don't keep up on theories, but I do remember whilst reading it thinking that Ned might not be the father, but she might, but I can't remember when I thought that, or why. It was too long ago.

The quick rundown:

The more we hear about him, Rhaegar wasn't the monster that his father was. He was a fairly reasonable and honorable dude, in that context at least. There's actually a supportable side theory that he was planning a coup to depose his insane father. He didn't actually "abduct" Lyanna; that is what Robert chooses to believe because he was in love with her. Rather, they ran away together. Lyanna was being protected at the Tower of Joy by three of the Kingsguard, including Rhaegar's best friend, who had no reason to be standing between Ned and a simple prisoner of war. Ned found Lyanna in a "bed of blood," strongly implying childbirth, especially because there's never been any implication that anyone willfully injured her. Lyanna make Ned "promise" something, likely to keep secret her son's lineage, as his life would be forfeit if Robert ever found out (see, e.g., Robert calling out a hit on Dany and Viserys). Ned sacrifices his honor and lies that he knocked up a maid to create a cover story for Jon's existence.


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2013-09-11 12:13:19 AM
1 votes:
SPOILERS

Essentially, Lyanna was promised to Robert Baratheon at the time her and Rhaegar ran off together during the tournament at Harrenhall.  Ned's older brother and friends then went to the mad king to demand her return which ended in the friends deaths and Ned's brother's imprisonment.  When Ned's father went to demand his brother's release he was burned alive while the older brother was forced to watch and was killed while struggling to free his burning father.  This resulted in all out war which ended in the death of Rhaegar Targaryan at the forks, the execution of the mad king by Jaimie Lanister and the death of the Targaryan family and their Dornish wife and children with some exceptions at kings landing by Tywin Lannister and his bannermen (the mountain). During this time Ned then went to "rescue" his sister and was the only survivor of this endeavor along with his bannerman Howland Reed.  He came home with a baby Jon Snow. The final result was the assentation of the Baratheon bloodline to the throne and the world as it was at the start of the series.  There were a few other notable events afterwards such as the Greyjoy rebellion which also contributed to the world as we know it at the start.

Jon Snow is the child of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryan.  Jon Snow is the heir to house Targaryan and the throne of Westeros as he is Rhaegar's first born son and Daenery's nephew.
2013-09-10 10:25:49 PM
1 votes:
I'm in the L + R = J camp but it doesn't matter as my favorite character in the tv version is Drogon.  That damn dragon has dropped the mic and walked off stage about 3 times and each arse-kicking is is better than the last.
2013-09-10 10:01:21 PM
1 votes:

kroonermanblack: The more I hear about this guy, the more he strikes me as a pompous self entitled ass.

Quizzing a place to 'get the right to' use your story and make you a gazillionaire despite you writting a book every decade..?


So you're saying he should have just said "OK" right off the bat without caring if they planned on treating his artistic vision with care?
Seems to me that's what Stephen King does. Look at Running Man. While yes the movie was cool, it was 80s schlock and a faithful adaptation could have been much much better. Look at shiat like Dreamcather, Graveyard Shift, Needful Things, SleepWalkers, The Mangler, and others that I'm sure I'm forgetting. Sometimes, it's ok for a writer to care about their artistic vision enough to want to see it done right.
2013-09-10 08:33:20 PM
1 votes:

nmrsnr: DamnYankees: Didn't Aegon die when he was a baby?

Spoilers: It doesn't look that way in book 5.


Errr...more potential spoilers for your spoilers: he may not be what he claims to be and Daenerys was warned about the mummer's dragon.

Reading the short stories (featuring Dunk and Egg) and the references to Aegor "Bittersteel" Rivers and the Golden Company actually supporting "Young Griff" and it's possible that we may be looking at a potential Blackfyre Rebellion part 3.  Why else would a mercenary company founded by Blackfyre rebels aid a Targaryen?
2013-09-10 07:08:53 PM
1 votes:

Richard Roma: The little bit after the stuff in the headline is what caught my attention:

At the end of the five hour meeting, Martin asked them, "Who is Jon Snow's real mother?" It was a test question They made an educated guess which turned out to be right, so they got the job.

That pretty much seals it: R+L=J.  The theory has been floating around for years, but I've never before heard Martin say there was a definitive answer, or that it can be made through an educated guess.  I can't think of anything else that could equal a correct educated guess to the question.  I guess it's official now.

Which is good, because I'd been afraid that Martin, being the troll he is, would end up making Jon really be the bastard of Ned and some random woman.  Just to piss everybody off.


Jon has to be of Targaryen blood to be The Price that Was Promised (for his is the story of Ice and Fire).
2013-09-10 04:13:00 PM
1 votes:
Butterbumps. I expect a writing credit for the Season 4 finale.
 
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