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2013-09-10 02:35:41 PM
They come in a pretty gold color too.
 
2013-09-10 02:38:19 PM
I'll be getting the white and silver one when I jump to Sprint in October. Sorry Verizon, I'm not paying the same price for 2GB that I'm paying now for anywhere from 3-5.
 
2013-09-10 02:44:49 PM
My phone has been obsolete for awhile.

But unlike Apple fanboys, that doesn't bother me enough to drop cash on a new phone.
 
2013-09-10 02:46:58 PM
$199 for a phone you're going to replace with a newer model next year?

No.
 
2013-09-10 02:47:32 PM

Rev.K: My phone has been obsolete for awhile.

But unlike Apple fanboys, that doesn't bother me enough to drop cash on a new phone.


My phone is only 2 years old but it stopped being supported by android at 2.3. No point in staying with android if I can't stay current for 2 years.
 
2013-09-10 02:47:35 PM
Will a smarter phone make the calls I receive any less stupid?
 
2013-09-10 02:48:39 PM
If my phone is obsolete, why can it still dial all the numbers correctly?
 
2013-09-10 02:49:21 PM

Rev.K: $199 for a phone you're going to replace with a newer model next year?

No.


Given how often I use my phone and how many things you can do with them (they aren't really phones as much as handheld computers), $0.60 per day is incredibly worthwhile.
 
2013-09-10 02:50:34 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Rev.K: My phone has been obsolete for awhile.

But unlike Apple fanboys, that doesn't bother me enough to drop cash on a new phone.

My phone is only 2 years old but it stopped being supported by android at 2.3. No point in staying with android if I can't stay current for 2 years.


I had an iPhone 3GS for a little over three years, and Apple kept it current with OS updates throughout this time.  In fact, today's launch of iOS 7 is the first one that won't be supported on the 3GS, so that was four years of support.

I upgraded last year and decided to go with a Windows Phone 8 device instead, since MS has also promised to keep updates flowing for those devices.  We'll see if that happens, but Apple is certainly the leader in the industry when it comes to long term support.
 
2013-09-10 02:51:02 PM
Good. I'm sure someone somewhere else has already done something similar, but at least this keeps the arms race going. Won't be long till our phones are circuitry integrated with our brains, and our eyes are bionic. Then with the advances being made in prosthetics it won't be long before I can be the Slaxinator, and go around killing people, with their weak spongy flesh.
 
2013-09-10 02:51:53 PM

FloydA: Will a smarter phone make the calls I receive any less stupid?


People still make phone calls?
 
2013-09-10 02:57:53 PM

cameroncrazy1984: My phone is only 2 years old but it stopped being supported by android at 2.3. No point in staying with android if I can't stay current for 2 years.


Does your phone still do what you want it to?

Is paying the extra money for an iPhone worth it?

Maybe it is to you, but not to me. My phone (HTC Legend) was free, so I can accept if they stopped updating it. It still does what I want and I didn't have to pay anything for it.
 
2013-09-10 03:01:50 PM
This new boss looks a lot like the old boss.
 
2013-09-10 03:05:00 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I had an iPhone 3GS for a little over three years, and Apple kept it current with OS updates throughout this time.  In fact, today's launch of iOS 7 is the first one that won't be supported on the 3GS, so that was four years of support.


This is precisely why I'm jumping over. I tend to want to keep phones for 3-4 years rather than upgrading after 2. I get the best of both worlds with that.
 
2013-09-10 03:05:08 PM

Rev.K: cameroncrazy1984: My phone is only 2 years old but it stopped being supported by android at 2.3. No point in staying with android if I can't stay current for 2 years.

Does your phone still do what you want it to?

Is paying the extra money for an iPhone worth it?

Maybe it is to you, but not to me. My phone (HTC Legend) was free, so I can accept if they stopped updating it. It still does what I want and I didn't have to pay anything for it.


If you mostly use your phone to make calls and text, I can see why upgrades might not appear to be necessary for you.  I use my phone to web browse a lot when I'm killing time waiting for an appointment with a client, or need to look something up on the go, or any other time I have downtime.  For me it's worth it to get a faster processor and a more modern OS that renders pages quicker and support more modern web design standards.

For people that do a lot of gaming on their phones, the upgrades are appealing because they allow newer better games to run, games to load faster, and frame rates on 3D games to stay higher.

It all comes down to if you use your phone more as a phone or more as a mini computer.
 
2013-09-10 03:06:26 PM

Rev.K: $199 for a phone you're going to replace with a newer model next year?

No.


Very few people actually do that, no matter how much propaganda gets pumped into your empty head.
 
2013-09-10 03:09:01 PM

Rev.K: Does your phone still do what you want it to?


No. My TWC TV app doesn't support android 2.3 for TV playback and the text app choices that I've used all have some glitch or other that has probably been fixed for 3+ but since my phone isn't compatible with anything higher than 2.3 I have to live with it. That is not to mention that the battery life even with a replaced battery is 6 hours.

Rev.K: Is paying the extra money for an iPhone worth it?


Yep. Definitely worth it to be able to watch TV on my phone and be able to send my 1200-1500 texts a month without resends and other errors.
 
2013-09-10 03:44:13 PM

bingethinker: Very few people actually do that, no matter how much propaganda gets pumped into your empty head.


I got my smartphone for free.

Apple wants me to pay $199 and we know they have a new phone already in the works.


Free > $199.


Empty head indeed.
 
2013-09-10 03:48:12 PM

TuteTibiImperes: If you mostly use your phone to make calls and text, I can see why upgrades might not appear to be necessary for you.  I use my phone to web browse a lot when I'm killing time waiting for an appointment with a client, or need to look something up on the go, or any other time I have downtime.  For me it's worth it to get a faster processor and a more modern OS that renders pages quicker and support more modern web design standards.

For people that do a lot of gaming on their phones, the upgrades are appealing because they allow newer better games to run, games to load faster, and frame rates on 3D games to stay higher.

It all comes down to if you use your phone more as a phone or more as a mini computer.


That makes perfect sense.

I can see that.
 
2013-09-10 03:55:18 PM

Rev.K: bingethinker: Very few people actually do that, no matter how much propaganda gets pumped into your empty head.

I got my smartphone for free.

Apple wants me to pay $199 and we know they have a new phone already in the works.


Free > $199.


Empty head indeed.


You must not buy cars, ever.
 
2013-09-10 04:04:02 PM

cameroncrazy1984: You must not buy cars, ever.


The point I'm making is that there are very capable smartphones that one could acquire at a much lower price, all the way down to free.

On top of that, we know Apple quite enjoys the endless release of incrementally improved products, which affects the re-sale value of the previous product.

For that reason, I'd like to get in at the lowest price possible, which in my case was $0.

Maybe some people think the $199 price tag it worth it, that's fine, I get that. But not me.
 
2013-09-10 04:12:06 PM
Still gouging on the storage, i hoped the base model would get bumped to 32gb this time. :-/

Ive got a 3gs in need of replacement, with apps and photos and like 3gb of mystery space, the remaining 10gb is pretty limiting for music when i have 150gb of 256kb MP3s in my collection.
 
2013-09-10 04:15:25 PM
Rev.K:


Free > $199.


Must be the new math.
 
2013-09-10 04:23:25 PM

Rev.K: cameroncrazy1984: You must not buy cars, ever.

The point I'm making is that there are very capable smartphones that one could acquire at a much lower price, all the way down to free.

On top of that, we know Apple quite enjoys the endless release of incrementally improved products, which affects the re-sale value of the previous product.

For that reason, I'd like to get in at the lowest price possible, which in my case was $0.

Maybe some people think the $199 price tag it worth it, that's fine, I get that. But not me.


Apple's phone release schedule is actually more restrained than most of their competitors.  They'll release a model, then a year later a version of that model with upgraded internals (faster processor/gpu/ram) and then the next year a new body style, followed the year after that by the same body style with another internal speed bump.

This is the first time they've actually released two new models at once, as well as the first time they've released a special low cost option (the iPhone 5C) but the 5C is essentially last year's iPhone 5 with a new plastic case instead of the metal/ceramic.

Resale value tends to be very high on Apple phones.  If you have a 4S (the top of the line model from two years ago) in great condition they're going for over $300 on E-Bay, so you could technically have bought the phone for $199 two years ago, sell it now for $300 once the contract expires, and essentially have gotten that phone free plus $100 off your new one.
 
2013-09-10 04:32:40 PM

Rev.K: On top of that, we know Apple quite enjoys the endless release of incrementally improved products, which affects the re-sale value of the previous product.


Sure, but so do carmakers and I don't see people complaining about them.
 
2013-09-10 04:47:09 PM

Cyno01: Still gouging on the storage, i hoped the base model would get bumped to 32gb this time. :-/


yeah, that definitely blows. but i'm tempted for the new camera alone. hell, i can sell my 5 for more than i paid for it and buy this and still be zero out of pocket, so why not?
 
2013-09-10 04:49:09 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Apple's phone release schedule is actually more restrained than most of their competitors.  They'll release a model, then a year later a version of that model with upgraded internals (faster processor/gpu/ram) and then the next year a new body style, followed the year after that by the same body style with another internal speed bump.


Fair enough, but anytime I looked at iPhones, even the older models like a refurbished 3G, you had to pay for.

When I got my phone, I could have had a refurbed 3G that I had to pay $50 for or a brand new HTC Legend for free.

It was no contest and I'm still happy with the HTC.

cameroncrazy1984: Sure, but so do carmakers and I don't see people complaining about them.


That's because a new car will last 10 years. Not so with a smartphone. And you have to admit that some of Apple's releases were pretty flimsy.

"Look, it's curved! CURVED!"
 
2013-09-10 05:00:15 PM

FlashHarry: Cyno01: Still gouging on the storage, i hoped the base model would get bumped to 32gb this time. :-/

yeah, that definitely blows. but i'm tempted for the new camera alone. hell, i can sell my 5 for more than i paid for it and buy this and still be zero out of pocket, so why not?


Yeah, probably going to get the 32gb 5s maybe for xmas, maybe theyll have cheaper refurbs by then. The back of my 3gs is cracked under the button making that less and less responsive, even though i havent upgraded to ios6 its gotten slow for some reason, and the battery life has gone to shiat. I just got a Nook HD+ tablet, so im browsing the internet on my phone a lot less (from the couch), so a new phone is no longer a pressing need, but still, after 4 years, its time. The bottom tier 5s still being 16gb really pisses me off though because the price difference between the 16gb and 32gb nook was only $30. ಠ_ಠ
 
2013-09-10 05:05:32 PM

Rev.K: That's because a new car will last 10 years. Not so with a smartphone. And you have to admit that some of Apple's releases were pretty flimsy.


A smartphone doesn't cost as much as a car. If an iPhone will last me 4 years, to me that's worth $50 per year. How much does a car cost over that 10 year period?
 
2013-09-10 05:13:18 PM

Rev.K: On top of that, we know Apple quite enjoys the endless release of incrementally improved products, which affects the re-sale value of the previous product.


Looks like we have a winner for most uninformed comment in the thread! Congrats!
 
2013-09-10 05:15:33 PM
My phone will be obsolete when it stops making phone calls. Like my last one. They become obsolete when they get dropped and break.
 
2013-09-10 05:20:08 PM
After rocking the same feature phone for at least 6 years, I upgraded to a 'smart phone' in April.  Somehow I think it will continue to do the job I need it to do for many years or until I break it.

Still using my 1st gen iPad from 2010, too.  The only problem I have with it is Apple's planned obsolesence.  Many newer apps just won't run on it.
 
2013-09-10 05:21:54 PM
so...

What on a cell phone requires 64 bit math?

/99% of desktop applications get absolutely no boost from a 64 bit processor.
//every single existing app is going to run in 32 bit mode
///64 bit applications of some programs are slower then their 32 bit counterparts.
 
2013-09-10 05:22:13 PM
How about the release the same hardware they currently have with the battery that is capable of running a bigger processor and more memory and have a phone that doesn't need to be charged all the damn time?

Before anyone jumps on me my current battery capacity in my 4S is pretty damn good by current standards but why not give us better battery life instead of MOAR POWAH?
 
2013-09-10 05:24:25 PM
I use my phones until they break. I had an HTC Diamond 2 last from before iPhones existed until the price on the iPhone 4 was price reduced. That clunker still used a stylus and a slide out keyboard. It also had a real bluetooth stack, Android at that point didn't know what a BT keyboard was.

The 4 died in the laundry, after I'd shattered the glass on both sides. farking glass.
 
2013-09-10 05:27:52 PM

StrikitRich: After rocking the same feature phone for at least 6 years, I upgraded to a 'smart phone' in April.  Somehow I think it will continue to do the job I need it to do for many years or until I break it.

Still using my 1st gen iPad from 2010, too.  The only problem I have with it is Apple's planned obsolesence.  Many newer apps just won't run on it.


That has more to do with the fact that the people writing the apps are doing so for the newer iphones processors, especially games that are graphics heavy. It is not planned obsolesence. In fact, as stated above, Apple supports it's phones far longer than other industry brands.
 
2013-09-10 05:28:21 PM

Rev.K: The point I'm making is that there are very capable smartphones that one could acquire at a much lower price, all the way down to free.


Do you pay a monthly fee for your phone?  Yes?  Then your "smartphone" isn't "free".

/besides Apple has had a phone at the price point of "free" for at least three years now.
//and the cost of the phone itself is small compared to the year over year cost of the service
 
2013-09-10 05:28:26 PM

Egoy3k: How about the release the same hardware they currently have with the battery that is capable of running a bigger processor and more memory and have a phone that doesn't need to be charged all the damn time?

Before anyone jumps on me my current battery capacity in my 4S is pretty damn good by current standards but why not give us better battery life instead of MOAR POWAH?


Supposedly the 5C is exactly that. But the colors are just awful.
 
2013-09-10 05:29:01 PM
TuteTibiImperes:

I upgraded last year and decided to go with a Windows Phone 8 device instead, since MS has also promised to keep updates flowing for those devices.  We'll see if that happens, but Apple is certainly the leader in the industry when it comes to long term support.

Microsoft is providing updates, but that doesn't mean the carriers are pushing them consistently.

/Still waiting for GDR2 on my Lumia 920, AT&T...
//Microsoft employee, but my opinions are my own
///Other MS employees are also pissed at AT&T...
 
2013-09-10 05:29:06 PM

fluffy2097: What on a cell phone requires 64 bit math?


Video editing if you don't want it to take forever.

It's like asking what on a PC requires 64 bit math?

Nothing, unless you want it to go faster.
 
2013-09-10 05:29:09 PM
I still use my flip phone. No texting capability. No Internet. No email. It's just a phone. Why in the hell do I need a web browser on my mobile phone?
 
2013-09-10 05:29:20 PM

Rev.K: Fair enough, but anytime I looked at iPhones, even the older models like a refurbished 3G, you had to pay for.


Then you fail at the internets.
 
2013-09-10 05:30:17 PM

DubyaHater: I still use my flip phone. No texting capability. No Internet. No email. It's just a phone. Why in the hell do I need a web browser on my mobile phone?


You don't poop in public bathrooms do you.
 
2013-09-10 05:30:29 PM

wildcardjack: I use my phones until they break. I had an HTC Diamond 2 last from before iPhones existed until the price on the iPhone 4 was price reduced. That clunker still used a stylus and a slide out keyboard. It also had a real bluetooth stack, Android at that point didn't know what a BT keyboard was.

The 4 died in the laundry, after I'd shattered the glass on both sides. farking glass.


I got my 4 at the end of 2010 and am going to finally replace it with either a 5 or 5S/C now. It's literally been around the world with me, but I've gotta replace it now because the main button is starting to fail and the battery drains way too easily, to the point of dying during longer calls.
 
2013-09-10 05:31:10 PM

StrikitRich: After rocking the same feature phone for at least 6 years, I upgraded to a 'smart phone' in April.  Somehow I think it will continue to do the job I need it to do for many years or until I break it.

Still using my 1st gen iPad from 2010, too.  The only problem I have with it is Apple's planned obsolesence.  Many newer apps just won't run on it.


Not so much planned obsolescence as much as the original iPad was just pretty weak in the hardware department.  The jump from iPad 1 to iPad 2 was huge in terms of processor, RAM, and GPU.  The later updates have been big as well, but the biggest jump was from 1 to 2.

Egoy3k: How about the release the same hardware they currently have with the battery that is capable of running a bigger processor and more memory and have a phone that doesn't need to be charged all the damn time?

Before anyone jumps on me my current battery capacity in my 4S is pretty damn good by current standards but why not give us better battery life instead of MOAR POWAH?


You can increase performance without hurting battery life.  I'm not up on the details of the new processor, but a die shrink can lead to better performance and higher transistor counts without actually using any more battery power.

I'd love phone makers to get out of the mindset of 'thinner is better' though, and just make them thicker with larger batteries.  It's especially ridiculous in the 5"+ screen megaphones that are getting more popular.  Obviously it's already a big device, people aren't buying it because it's tiny, it doesn't need to be wafer thin, give it another half inch of thickness and double the battery life.
 
2013-09-10 05:32:07 PM

fluffy2097: What on a cell phone requires 64 bit math?


64 bit math? If your math changes depending how many bits you have, you're doing something very, very wrong.
 
2013-09-10 05:32:27 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Rev.K: Does your phone still do what you want it to?

No. My TWC TV app doesn't support android 2.3 for TV playback and the text app choices that I've used all have some glitch or other that has probably been fixed for 3+ but since my phone isn't compatible with anything higher than 2.3 I have to live with it. That is not to mention that the battery life even with a replaced battery is 6 hours.

Rev.K: Is paying the extra money for an iPhone worth it?

Yep. Definitely worth it to be able to watch TV on my phone and be able to send my 1200-1500 texts a month without resends and other errors.


Kinda curious what phone you've got.  Even my old Droid X was better than that, and had updates available past Froyo.  Ditched it for an HTC Rezound, and have been really happy.

Sounds like you ended up with a crappy phone.  Wouldn't blame you to want a switch in that case.
 
2013-09-10 05:35:03 PM

BadReligion: StrikitRich: After rocking the same feature phone for at least 6 years, I upgraded to a 'smart phone' in April.  Somehow I think it will continue to do the job I need it to do for many years or until I break it.

Still using my 1st gen iPad from 2010, too.  The only problem I have with it is Apple's planned obsolesence.  Many newer apps just won't run on it.

That has more to do with the fact that the people writing the apps are doing so for the newer iphones processors, especially games that are graphics heavy. It is not planned obsolesence. In fact, as stated above, Apple supports it's phones far longer than other industry brands.


I think it has more to do with Apple using package on package memory where the device's RAM is stacked right on top of the CPU. That makes the traces between memory and CPU/GPU much shorter (effecting speed and interference) and saves space on the board, but severely limits the amount of RAM the device has.

Of course, as we move to smaller processes, the amount of RAM you can fit into one chip the size of the CPU increases.
 
2013-09-10 05:35:31 PM
gawd not this shiat again.

1. make the same product over and over
2. add a different letter to the end
3. ???
4. PROFIT!
 
2013-09-10 05:36:15 PM
Get off your phones and go do something. jeez.
 
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