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(Sports Illustrated)   As improbable as it seems, the crack investigative staff at Sports Illustrated has uncovered evidence That OSU's football program might not be populated by squeaky-clean boy scouts and it might have bent a few NCAA rules ever so slightly   (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) divider line 57
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2013-09-10 03:57:51 PM  
An article co-written by an OU homer who has had an ax to grind, with sources that were 2nd and 3rd string players, many of whom were kicked off the program.

(For what it's worth, Jason Whitlock is ripping the co-writer, Thayer Evans)
 
2013-09-10 04:07:39 PM  

stilted: An article co-written by an OU homer who has had an ax to grind, with sources that were 2nd and 3rd string players, many of whom were kicked off the program.

(For what it's worth, Jason Whitlock is ripping the co-writer, Thayer Evans)


quote from that Jason Whitlock interview
Type his name into Google, read his previous work, read how his previous work has been rebunked and there's just no surprise

Nice - combine debunked and rebuked.
 
2013-09-10 04:07:40 PM  
I've seen Russell Okung on twitter ripping the piece a new one. Tatum Bell has also flatly denied ever receiving any improper benefits. That said, none of this would surprise me at all if it's true. Nor would it really bother me all that much.
 
2013-09-10 04:08:03 PM  
Of course they are guilty, they aren't an SEC team.
 
2013-09-10 04:08:45 PM  

stilted: An article co-written by an OU homer who has had an ax to grind, with sources that were 2nd and 3rd string players, many of whom were kicked off the program.

(For what it's worth, Jason Whitlock is ripping the co-writer, Thayer Evans)


Wow, "ripping" is an understatement.
 
2013-09-10 04:10:47 PM  
I thought it was common knowledge that boosters put a little extra in the players envelopes.
 
2013-09-10 04:11:28 PM  
Can we just have pictures of hot collegiate hostesses performing their duties?
 
2013-09-10 04:13:50 PM  

stilted: An article co-written by an OU homer who has had an ax to grind, with sources that were 2nd and 3rd string players, many of whom were kicked off the program.

(For what it's worth, Jason Whitlock is ripping the co-writer, Thayer Evans)


I've always been ambivalent about Jason Whitlock over his constant white knighting of former teammate Jeff George, but the guy will say stuff that other sports "journalists" won't, and I like that.
 
2013-09-10 04:18:56 PM  
What exactly is a collegiate hostess??
 
2013-09-10 04:19:40 PM  

strangeguitar: What exactly is a collegiate hostess??


A student, usually a coed, who escorts a recruit around campus on their official visits.
 
2013-09-10 04:20:24 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: strangeguitar: What exactly is a collegiate hostess??

A student, usually a coed, who escorts a recruit around campus on their official visits.


And then farks him.
 
2013-09-10 04:20:31 PM  
*Before clicking the link*
Please be Ohio State, Please be Ohio State, Please be Ohio State, Please be Ohio State, Please be Ohio State.

*Clicks Link*
Damn.
 
2013-09-10 04:24:33 PM  

Cybernetic: stilted: An article co-written by an OU homer who has had an ax to grind, with sources that were 2nd and 3rd string players, many of whom were kicked off the program.

(For what it's worth, Jason Whitlock is ripping the co-writer, Thayer Evans)

Wow, "ripping" is an understatement.


He didn't really say Thayer was "wrong."  More like "eh, these things happen and the NCAA is corrupt so why stop corruption with the players when we let that other stuff go?"

"We're into this area where unnamed sources can say anything, any of these he-said, she-said stories. I don't respect the entire brand of investigative journalism that is being done here. It's not our job to go out and do NCAA policing."

" ... There's some cute girl on campus who is a hostess who may have slept with one of these players. This has been going on for years and it goes on in the frathouses and the academic corruption they are going to talk about goes on in the frathouses and all across campus. "

"" ... The story to me, from everything I have heard ... it just seems so suspect. If that's the standard, it's he-said, she-said. If you can say this booster walked up to me and gave me $500 in the locker room and you don't have to name that booster, this story could be done at Ball State. It could be done at Rutgers. It could be done at UCLA. It could be done anywhere."

" ... I hope (the named parties) get off scot-free because I don't think they have done anything wrong. They are probably sweating bullets because America is so stupid and the sports media is so stupid that we will call for something to happen or we will want something to happen or the NCAA is so stupid. Yes, they should be sweating because we are in that kind of stupid society of no one wants to correct this corrupt system."
 
2013-09-10 04:25:41 PM  
Just give Meyer another season at Ohio State University so they can be added to the OSU scandal. Well...another one
 
2013-09-10 04:26:24 PM  
Even if every word of it is true and the place richly deserves the death penalty, we all know the most that will happen is a couple bowl bans, reduced scholarships and vacated wins, as opposed to anything that might prevent a football game from happening. The second a football game is placed in jeopardy it'll be 'YOU'RE PUNISHING THE KIDS' until those responsible for punishing surrender and allow the game to go forward.

Oh, and it won't effect attendance by one goddamn seat.
 
2013-09-10 04:30:45 PM  
Thayer Evans was quoted earlier today as saying that, "The Holocaust was a hoax perpetrated by Zionists." When asked what information this was based upon, Evans insisted that he had interviewed a number of former Jews at a recent KKK rally.
 
2013-09-10 04:32:35 PM  
...ooh, actually, that could work as a punishment that has some teeth to it. Force games to be played behind closed doors and issue refunds to those who bought tickets. The kids get to play. They're more likely to lose because the home-field advantage is completely wiped out (and the best way to vacate a win, really, is to prevent the win from happening in the first place), The football program's front office, the people you're actually trying to punish, take a hit in the pocketbook equal to that game's revenues, plus they have to deal with the potential extra loss on their record.
 
2013-09-10 04:37:31 PM  
APO_Buddha: *Before clicking the link*
Please be Ohio State, Please be Ohio State, Please be Ohio State, Please be Ohio State, Please be Ohio State.

*Clicks Link*
Damn.


This. I'm a UCLA fan, no particular historical animus, I just got tired of Tressel and his damn sweater vests coming out here for the Rose Bowl and every. damn. time. saying something along the lines of "Well, unlike you heathens here in California, we people in Ohio have family values and don't kick small puppies to death".

Oh how I laughed when he went down like a hooker getting a $20 bill.
 
2013-09-10 04:40:40 PM  

APO_Buddha: *Before clicking the link*
Please be Ohio State, Please be Ohio State, Please be Ohio State, Please be Ohio State, Please be Ohio State.

*Clicks Link*
Damn.


Nope, tOSU gets itself into hot water most of the time by self-reporting. Da U, on the other hand ....
 
2013-09-10 04:45:39 PM  

Henry Holland: This. I'm a UCLA fan, no particular historical animus, I just got tired of Tressel and his damn sweater vests coming out here for the Rose Bowl and every. damn. time. saying something along the lines of "Well, unlike you heathens here in California, we people in Ohio have family values and don't kick small puppies to death".


Every. Damn. Time. = "That one time that Ohio State played in the Rose Bowl during Tressel's tenure."
 
2013-09-10 04:50:24 PM  
What, we were supposed to believe that all these talented young football players, who had many options, voluntarily chose to go to Stillwater, Okla-farking-homa for free?
 
2013-09-10 04:55:28 PM  

Super Chronic: What, we were supposed to believe that all these talented young football players, who had many options, voluntarily chose to go to Stillwater, Okla-farking-homa for free?


I loved in Pony Excess when Eric Dickerson STILL refused to say what exactly he was given to go to SMU. Must have been a doozy.
 
2013-09-10 04:55:54 PM  

stilted: An article co-written by an OU homer who has had an ax to grind, with sources that were 2nd and 3rd string players, many of whom were kicked off the program.

(For what it's worth, Jason Whitlock is ripping the co-writer, Thayer Evans)


OU homer?  and it sounds like the axe to grind is Whitlock's with Evans
 
2013-09-10 04:57:29 PM  
Remember folks, this is the school where Dexter Manley spent four years getting an education despite not knowing how to read.
 
2013-09-10 04:58:48 PM  
Les Miles is a good coach.  Even Bear knew that boosters cheated.  That's part of the system.
 
2013-09-10 05:00:46 PM  
No father wants to hear his daughter say she's gotten into "amateur modeling",  "exotic dancing"  or "recruiting hostess".
 
2013-09-10 05:08:42 PM  
What I thought was hilarious was the back-slapping all over twitter between the SI guys, for a "job well done" on a completely shallow piece that is no different from the dozens of other cases that have been uncovered.

Where's the piece showing who the boosters are, what kind of network is in place to protect them and how intertwined the NCAA is with it all? It's not really in-depth "reporting" if you just drudge up some disgruntled ex-players and employees, have them kind-of spill some dirt, then play it off a major break. At least that's my take.
 
2013-09-10 05:19:15 PM  
If it is a Football Factory school, the athletes are being paid and taking steroids. Let's not fool ourselves here. In the future when this blows up for everyone, the excuse will be: "We had to remain competitive, because that school was doing it first."

Watch 30 for 30 Pony Excess, it explains it all rather well, but still leaves much mystery to the inner workings.
 
2013-09-10 05:21:52 PM  
Not an SEC team so the NCAA can investigate right? Think again. The Big 12 is worse.

T. Boone Pickens who has literally sunk 500 million dollars into this program (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._Boone_Pickens ) and will kill this investigation before it ever gets off the ground.
 
2013-09-10 05:22:18 PM  
Seriously, no recruiting hostess pics?
 
2013-09-10 05:25:29 PM  
My take here with video - OSU allegations: Sports Illustrated reports player payoffs, sexual favors (Video)
http://www.examiner.com/article/osu-allegations-sports-illustrated-r ep orts-player-payoffs-sexual-favors
 
2013-09-10 05:32:17 PM  

bulldg4life: Seriously, no recruiting hostess pics?


Part 3 or 4 of the SI article will be about the hostesses.

As to Fark, is this enough to get you started?

images.footballfanatics.com
 
2013-09-10 05:35:07 PM  

strangeguitar: What exactly is a collegiate hostess??


In other parts of the country, they're known as a "slut", "tramp" or possibly "skank". Don't confuse them with hookers. Hookers get paid.
 
2013-09-10 05:58:01 PM  
Yes, you would.

media.scout.com
 
2013-09-10 05:59:10 PM  
Never mind me, I'm just here to read the aggie rage.....

/even this OU homer doesn't put much stock in this story
//Gundy has cleaned that place up
///and runs pretty clean
 
2013-09-10 06:04:42 PM  

vicejay: Yes, you would.

[media.scout.com image 850x1270]


You are gorram right, I would.
 
2013-09-10 06:12:15 PM  

yelmrog: stilted: An article co-written by an OU homer who has had an ax to grind, with sources that were 2nd and 3rd string players, many of whom were kicked off the program.

(For what it's worth, Jason Whitlock is ripping the co-writer, Thayer Evans)

I've always been ambivalent about Jason Whitlock over his constant white knighting of former teammate Jeff George, but the guy will say stuff that other sports "journalists" won't, and I like that.


Anyone who defends Jeff George didn't spend enough time on bars on the north side of Indy. Guy is a world class dbag.
 
2013-09-10 06:16:31 PM  
Get this crooked crap out of colleges completely.
 
2013-09-10 06:17:54 PM  
Huh. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I thought "evidence" meant unequivocal proof something happened, not testimonials and hearsay by a bunch of third stringers nobody has heard about until now.
 
2013-09-10 06:22:58 PM  

MVEAlpha: Huh. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I thought "evidence" meant unequivocal proof something happened


Not necessarily old fashioned.

But definitely wrong.
 
2013-09-10 06:31:17 PM  

MVEAlpha: Huh. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I thought "evidence" meant unequivocal proof something happened, not testimonials and hearsay by a bunch of third stringers nobody has heard about until now.


It's the third stringers that you can get to talk to you. Dez Bryant and Justin Blackmon aren't going to talk to Thayer Evans about their time in Stillwater.

You talk to the other guys to get a sense of the scope of the allegations, then the NCAA comes in and slaps everyone's wrist. Or gets into bed with a lawyer so they have to drop the whole case.

But regarding your point, testimonials are evidence. They are essentially eyewitness statements made by a material witness.
 
2013-09-10 06:31:21 PM  

MVEAlpha: Huh. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I thought "evidence" meant unequivocal proof something happened, not testimonials and hearsay by a bunch of third stringers nobody has heard about until now.


That's not what evidence means.
 
2013-09-10 06:43:08 PM  
My opinion of women, especially college-age women has taken a massive hit. But I guess the hostesses are probably self-esteem cases with daddy issues any way. And who live on whore island
 
2013-09-10 06:45:02 PM  

vicejay: Yes, you would.

[media.scout.com image 850x1270]


That is going to be one quickly closing window of hittability, but yes
 
2013-09-10 06:57:46 PM  

strangeguitar: What exactly is a collegiate hostess??


Twinkies, Ding Dongs, Sno-Balls, Ho Ho's, etc. which are bigger than minis but not quite full-sized.
 
2013-09-10 07:00:58 PM  

degenerate-afro: Of course they are

not guilty, they aren't an SEC team USC.
 
2013-09-10 07:03:25 PM  
Nothing will come of this if OSU plays the "what us card" and look really confused like an SEC school.
 
2013-09-10 07:09:17 PM  

Super Chronic: MVEAlpha: Huh. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I thought "evidence" meant unequivocal proof something happened, not testimonials and hearsay by a bunch of third stringers nobody has heard about until now.

That's not what evidence means.


Those are types of evidence.  They're not necessarily the best kinds of evidence, but they are evidence.  This is how most of these kinds of things start.  The OJ Mayo investigation started when a former "confidant" went to ESPN to talk about getting gifts from an agent.
 
2013-09-10 07:14:04 PM  

rugman11: Super Chronic: MVEAlpha: Huh. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I thought "evidence" meant unequivocal proof something happened, not testimonials and hearsay by a bunch of third stringers nobody has heard about until now.

That's not what evidence means.

Those are types of evidence.  They're not necessarily the best kinds of evidence, but they are evidence.  This is how most of these kinds of things start.  The OJ Mayo investigation started when a former "confidant" went to ESPN to talk about getting gifts from an agent.


And Thayer Evans took a lot of shiat three years ago for going after Cam Newton and it turned out that pretty much everything said about Cecil Newton and Mississippi State was true.
 
2013-09-10 07:44:04 PM  

yelmrog: stilted: An article co-written by an OU homer who has had an ax to grind, with sources that were 2nd and 3rd string players, many of whom were kicked off the program.

(For what it's worth, Jason Whitlock is ripping the co-writer, Thayer Evans)

I've always been ambivalent about Jason Whitlock over his constant white knighting of former teammate Jeff George, but the guy will say stuff that other sports "journalists" won't, and I like that.


Me too.  I just avoid his Twitter feed on Sundays...whenever there's a show that someone he's read said is as good as "The Wire," Whitlock blows a gasket and immediately starts nitpicking and screaming about nonissues regarding it.
 
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