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2013-09-10 12:10:32 PM
I like this one!
 
2013-09-10 12:17:44 PM
The WMDs are now north, south, east and west of Moscow. Somewhat.
 
2013-09-10 12:29:26 PM
Bravo, subby.
 
2013-09-10 12:44:36 PM
I hope the deal is just the surrender of the chemical weapons and not the start of increased cooperation between Russia and the Syrian regime. I don't have much faith in my hope, though
 
2013-09-10 12:55:50 PM

21-7-b: I hope the deal is just the surrender of the chemical weapons and not the start of increased cooperation between Russia and the Syrian regime. I don't have much faith in my hope, though


Why?  Do you even know who to root for?  Do you think the rebels being victorious is better for the people than Assad's regime?  I'm not suggesting it isn't the case, just asking because honestly I have no freaking clue what to even hope for here.  A peaceful and prosperous nation where children aren't being murdered is my hope.  How to get there?  No clue.
 
2013-09-10 02:44:32 PM
I don't understand the logistics of this plan. First, how can we possibly account for all of Syria's chemical weapons (i.e. how do we know they won't be hiding some). Secondly, how the hell is Russia supposed to gather up and transport all these deadly materials in the middle of a civil war?
 
2013-09-10 02:47:34 PM
I really hope that this works, it seems like this plan would be good news for everyone.
 
2013-09-10 02:48:13 PM

vernonFL: I really hope that this works, it seems like this plan would be good news for everyone.


While I agree, I find it quasi-amusing that the world seems to think a good resolution to this is for Russia to obtain stockpiles of chemical weapons.
 
2013-09-10 02:50:29 PM

DamnYankees: I don't understand the logistics of this plan. First, how can we possibly account for all of Syria's chemical weapons (i.e. how do we know they won't be hiding some). Secondly, how the hell is Russia supposed to gather up and transport all these deadly materials in the middle of a civil war?


If the Syrians use the chemical weapons again, we'll know they didnt destroy them all.
Hopefully there could be some sort of cease fire while the Russians and UN are there collecting and securing the weapons.
 
2013-09-10 02:53:14 PM

vernonFL: DamnYankees: I don't understand the logistics of this plan. First, how can we possibly account for all of Syria's chemical weapons (i.e. how do we know they won't be hiding some). Secondly, how the hell is Russia supposed to gather up and transport all these deadly materials in the middle of a civil war?

If the Syrians use the chemical weapons again, we'll know they didnt destroy them all.
Hopefully there could be some sort of cease fire while the Russians and UN are there collecting and securing the weapons.


Well, your first sentence is certainly true, but it doesn't solve the issue which is that we don't want them using them again to begin with.
 
2013-09-10 02:57:47 PM
I think Assad and his Generals got the message. If there is another chemical attack, we will bomb the shiate out of them, and I camt see Russia , China or Iran trying to stop us.
 
2013-09-10 03:02:03 PM

DamnYankees: vernonFL: I really hope that this works, it seems like this plan would be good news for everyone.

While I agree, I find it quasi-amusing that the world seems to think a good resolution to this is for Russia to obtain stockpiles of chemical weapons.


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It would be another drop in the ocean.
 
2013-09-10 03:07:24 PM

21-7-b: I hope the deal is just the surrender of the chemical weapons and not the start of increased cooperation between Russia and the Syrian regime. I don't have much faith in my hope, though


Russia is already supporting Syria with weapons and money.
 
2013-09-10 03:24:03 PM
Why There is Almost No Chance Russia's Syria Plan Will Work
 
2013-09-10 03:25:06 PM

vernonFL: I think Assad and his Generals got the message. If there is another chemical attack, we will bomb the shiate out of them, and I camt see Russia , China or Iran trying to stop us.


"That is exactly what we're talking about doing - unbelievably small, limited kind of effort," Kerry said.

scared the pants off of 'em.
 
2013-09-10 03:26:38 PM

21-7-b: I hope the deal is just the surrender of the chemical weapons and not the start of increased cooperation between Russia and the Syrian regime. I don't have much faith in my hope, though


The only Russian military facility outside the former Soviet Union is their naval base in Tartus, Syria. There is a reason they are being so pro-Assad here. The rebels are liable to kick them to the curb if Assad is overthrown.
 
2013-09-10 03:28:15 PM
Russia is the voice of reason in our new world.
 
2013-09-10 03:30:13 PM
DamnYankees:Secondly, how the hell is Russia supposed to gather up and transport all these deadly materials in the middle of a civil war?

Putin will probably put some boots on the ground to "secure" the weapons... which will accidentally leave behind large stores of equipment, vehicles and ammunition for Assads people to use.

....and they probably actually have zero intent to take the chemical weapons from Assad in the first place.  Just say they did and dare us to prove them wrong... with their troops in place.
 
2013-09-10 03:30:47 PM

probesport: Russia is the voice of reason in our new world.


Because they are protecting their own interests?
 
2013-09-10 03:31:01 PM

Click Click D'oh: ....and they probably actually have zero intent to take the chemical weapons from Assad in the first place.  Just say they did and dare us to prove them wrong... with their troops in place.


That would be really stupid of Russia. If they did this, and then Syria used chemical weapons again, that's nothing but bad for the Russians.
 
2013-09-10 03:33:51 PM

colon_pow: vernonFL: I think Assad and his Generals got the message. If there is another chemical attack, we will bomb the shiate out of them, and I camt see Russia , China or Iran trying to stop us.

"That is exactly what we're talking about doing - unbelievably small, limited kind of effort," Kerry said.

scared the pants off of 'em.


Apparently so. You've seen the size of our military. A small, limited effort equals that of most navies.
 
2013-09-10 03:34:38 PM

DamnYankees: Click Click D'oh: ....and they probably actually have zero intent to take the chemical weapons from Assad in the first place.  Just say they did and dare us to prove them wrong... with their troops in place.

That would be really stupid of Russia. If they did this, and then Syria used chemical weapons again, that's nothing but bad for the Russians.


Orrrrrr, Russia and Assad say "see? those rebels have them and they're the ones using it!" and throw more shiat on Obama's face.
 
2013-09-10 03:35:26 PM

DamnYankees: That would be really stupid of Russia. If they did this, and then Syria used chemical weapons again, that's nothing but bad for the Russians.


"Nyet, rebels did it.  We secure all Syria weapons.  Syria no have weapons.  Want to attack us to prove us wrong?"

You think Obama is going to threaten Russia?  Yeah right.
 
2013-09-10 03:37:00 PM

probesport: Russia is the voice of reason in our new world.


I'm glad for it, but wasn't it Sec State Kerry that brought it up in the first place, as the only option remaining?

Now it's Russia's responsibility. And we don't have to join a side in the dictator vs fundamentalist war. Win-Win.
 
2013-09-10 03:38:05 PM
This was good news this morning.  I hope we can come to a resolution that prevents US strikes on Syria.
 
2013-09-10 03:38:15 PM
Well, back to Russia
 
2013-09-10 03:41:25 PM
I wonder - what are the chances that the Obama Administration went to Russia and asked them to broker the deal, because the GOP was going to be anti-whatever-Obama-says, no matter how much harm that might cause to the US?

Just a thought.
 
2013-09-10 03:41:42 PM
Fark, you know I love you.  I seriously do.  Hell, you even let me put it in your mouth a few times.


Having said that, please stop with the WMDs.  It's WMD - weapons of mass destruction, not weapons of mass destructions.


Now that we've got that out of the way...why don't you forget about cooking dinner and come over here for a nice back rub, hmmm?
 
2013-09-10 03:42:38 PM
Anyway, ignore that previous comment if you haven't already. I just am not very hopeful that this will be solved in a mature and responsible way. Mainly because of two reasons. 1: The US isn't likely to agree unless there is a binding resolution at the UN. Good luck getting Russia to agree to that. 2: Securing chemical weapons would involve boots on the ground, and guess which two countries are the most capable in regards to chemical weapons? The US & Russia.

So lets say we agree that Russia should secure Assad's chemical weapons with its own troops. Will that be good enough? I mean, Russia is very well known to be bias in all of this due to Syria & Russia being BFF. Do we really trust Russia & Assad to work together in the best interest of securing those weapons?
 
2013-09-10 03:45:58 PM
Meanwhile in London, at the Foreign Minister's Office:  "Good Heavens, Double-0-7!  Where on Earth have you been!"
 
2013-09-10 03:46:05 PM
FTA: "As a Russian proposal to strip Syria of its chemical weapons began to take shape, the White House eased off the gas Tuesday..."
Michael Pearson, CNN writer, you cheeky bugger...
 
2013-09-10 03:46:51 PM

Otto's_Jacket: Fark, you know I love you.  I seriously do.  Hell, you even let me put it in your mouth a few times.


Having said that, please stop with the WMDs.  It's WMD - weapons of mass destruction, not weapons of mass destructions.


Now that we've got that out of the way...why don't you forget about cooking dinner and come over here for a nice back rub, hmmm?


Why do you assume WMD is plural. Isn't a single nuke a WMD?
 
2013-09-10 03:47:03 PM
Doesn't solve the chemical weapons issue, there will always be a question of how much Syria is keeping.   But Putin gives Obama a huge way out of this.
 
2013-09-10 03:48:18 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder - what are the chances that the Obama Administration went to Russia and asked them to broker the deal, because the GOP was going to be anti-whatever-Obama-says, no matter how much harm that might cause to the US?

Just a thought.


Our local right wing radio nut thinks there's no way the reporter just asked that random question, not truly an off the cuff response by Kerry.  Not sure how this is bad news for Obama because I got to work before he had time to finish his whargarbl and whatnot.
 
2013-09-10 03:48:32 PM

Otto's_Jacket: Fark, you know I love you.  I seriously do.  Hell, you even let me put it in your mouth a few times.


Having said that, please stop with the WMDs.  It's WMD - weapons of mass destruction, not weapons of mass destructions.


Now that we've got that out of the way...why don't you forget about cooking dinner and come over here for a nice back rub, hmmm?


Do you get an erection when someone correctly says 'Attorneys General'?

/ i do too.
 
2013-09-10 03:49:13 PM

Skleenar: This was good news this morning.  I hope we can come to a resolution that prevents US strikes on Syria.


Are you an anti-troll?
 
2013-09-10 03:49:21 PM
Subby made a funny!
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2013-09-10 03:49:46 PM

DamnYankees: vernonFL: I really hope that this works, it seems like this plan would be good news for everyone.

While I agree, I find it quasi-amusing that the world seems to think a good resolution to this is for Russia to obtain stockpiles of chemical weapons.


I'm pretty sure they already got plenty of their own. It would be like me having more beer. I mean, nice to have more, but I got enough.
 
2013-09-10 03:52:44 PM

vernonFL: Otto's_Jacket: Fark, you know I love you.  I seriously do.  Hell, you even let me put it in your mouth a few times.


Having said that, please stop with the WMDs.  It's WMD - weapons of mass destruction, not weapons of mass destructions.


Now that we've got that out of the way...why don't you forget about cooking dinner and come over here for a nice back rub, hmmm?

Do you get an erection when someone correctly says 'Attorneys General'?

/ i do too.



Don't even get me started on "couldn't care less"...oh my GOD.
 
2013-09-10 03:53:09 PM

Otto's_Jacket: Fark, you know I love you.  I seriously do.  Hell, you even let me put it in your mouth a few times.


Having said that, please stop with the WMDs.  It's WMD loose - weapons of mass destruction, not weapons of mass destructions.


Now that we've got that out of the way...why don't you forget about cooking dinner and come over here for a nice back rub, hmmm?


Sorry, pet peeve.
 
2013-09-10 03:54:51 PM
Pootin will take care of everything.
One stop shopping!
 
2013-09-10 03:55:35 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder - what are the chances that the Obama Administration went to Russia and asked them to broker the deal, because the GOP was going to be anti-whatever-Obama-says, no matter how much harm that might cause to the US?

Just a thought.


Nothing surprises me anymore with the GOP.  Remember, the same Christian, pro capitalist conservatives also support the failed economic theories from a Russian atheist.  They are beyond reasoning with.

I hope this works out.  (But doubtful) We have a bigger threat to our country coming up; the debit ceiling.  You know, how the same party will threaten to crash our economy because they refuse to pay for LAST years spending that the GOP controlled House passed.
 
2013-09-10 03:56:06 PM
Sounds like Russia's balking since France's resolution includes blaming the attacks on Assad.

Let's hope they remove it from the resolution since it doesn't matter shiat anyways at this point.
 
2013-09-10 03:56:44 PM

Otto's_Jacket: Fark, you know I love you.  I seriously do.  Hell, you even let me put it in your mouth a few times.


Having said that, please stop with the WMDs.  It's WMD - weapons of mass destruction, not weapons of mass destructions.


Now that we've got that out of the way...why don't you forget about cooking dinner and come over here for a nice back rub, hmmm?


NIC Card
ATM Machine

Those are worse examples
 
2013-09-10 03:56:55 PM
Debit ceiling cat is watching your ATM withdrawls.
 
2013-09-10 03:58:51 PM
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2013-09-10 03:59:57 PM

bbfreak: Anyway, ignore that previous comment if you haven't already. I just am not very hopeful that this will be solved in a mature and responsible way. Mainly because of two reasons. 1: The US isn't likely to agree unless there is a binding resolution at the UN. Good luck getting Russia to agree to that. 2: Securing chemical weapons would involve boots on the ground, and guess which two countries are the most capable in regards to chemical weapons? The US & Russia.

So lets say we agree that Russia should secure Assad's chemical weapons with its own troops. Will that be good enough? I mean, Russia is very well known to be bias in all of this due to Syria & Russia being BFF. Do we really trust Russia & Assad to work together in the best interest of securing those weapons?


It is in Russia's interest to see that these weapons aren't used as it provided negative PR to them. Now PR usually matters less to Russia, but they do have to pay attention to it, especially with the Olympics in Sochi coming up. Syria is a Russian client state so Russia is held responsible to some degree for the bad behavior of their client. The Syrian army doesn't need to use these weapons, they are winning (slowly but surely) with conventional military tactics and strategy out of the Yugoslavian wars playbook.  Appeal to the base (in this case Alawites, Christians, and other non Sunni groups), carve out a territory, push the non-accepted groups out.  Syria doesn't need the entire nation, just the western portion with the bulk of population and economy.  Chemical weapons aren't needed to engage this plan so they are a dangerous distraction at this point which can provide the rebels groups sympathy and potentially extra resources making the Syrian army's job that much more difficult.

I don't trust the Russians to be sure.  However, I trust that it is in their interest to prevent the use of chemical weapons by Assad or rebels to avoid western involvement that could negatively undermine their influence. It is in everyone's interest to make sure that chemical weapons don't fall into the hands of extremists groups that make up some of the rebel forces.  If that means depriving Assad of chemical weapons he doesn't need, so be it. Russia doesn't want the next Subway bombing, Theater take over, School hostage crisis, etc.,  to involve chemical weapons.
 
2013-09-10 04:00:07 PM

nekom: 21-7-b: I hope the deal is just the surrender of the chemical weapons and not the start of increased cooperation between Russia and the Syrian regime. I don't have much faith in my hope, though

Why?  Do you even know who to root for?  Do you think the rebels being victorious is better for the people than Assad's regime?  I'm not suggesting it isn't the case, just asking because honestly I have no freaking clue what to even hope for here.  A peaceful and prosperous nation where children aren't being murdered is my hope.  How to get there?  No clue.


in that case you might want to stick with Assad then. Until this rebelion cropped up couple years ago, Assad while a dictator wasn't exactly the murderous kind. Syria was at relative peace. Sure you may have a few people 'dissapear' every once in a while but generally speaking the country wasn't in chaos and war. The Awalites, Sunnis, Shias, Christians, Druids, Kurds etc live in relative peace. Once Al queda infiltrated the rebels forces follwoing the Arab Spring things got really out of hand in Syria.
 
2013-09-10 04:04:58 PM
Lend/Lease

Now that Putin has given Obama enough rope to hang himself, as soon as Assad needs 'em back, back they'll go.

Meanwhile Obama and the prissy tots in his Valerie Jarrett Troll Corps are running around with their skirts over their heads trying to figure out the re-write of this Public Spanking. Meanwhile, US Troops still in harm's way wondering what the Ya-Ya White House will throw a dart at next ..
 
2013-09-10 04:05:32 PM

EWreckedSean: probesport: Russia is the voice of reason in our new world.

Because they are protecting their own interests?


because they know if Assad falls a hardline Sunni government will take over! you know the AQ types incase you're not sure what the tribal differences are in that part of the world.

Russia has first hand experience with the chechens and indirectly the Mujahedeens in 1980's Afghanistan and outside of the Arab world I think Russia probably know those folks best!
 
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