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2013-09-10 12:20:46 PM
FTFA:
Frederick Douglas Opie, a food historian at Babson College, says that cultures in western and central Africa have "a long history of artisan brewing." People of the region, he says, made beer from sorghum and millet, as well as palm wine - which, he says, was considered by some a luxury product.

"So, why that discontinues in America after the Atlantic slave trade, I don't know," Opie says.


Gee, maybe it was because their owners and overseers didn't want them to have access to alcohol because it:

A. Tends to make you less productive both when you are drunk and when you have a hangover, and

B. Tends to remove inhibitions and make you more likely to do something, like, I don't know, *REVOLT AGAINST YOUR MASTERS*.

I could see slave owners wanting to maximize the work available, and minimizing the chance that they'd get killed by an angry mob of slaves fortified with liquid backbone, by limiting the chances for their slaves to acquire and ingest alcohol.
 
2013-09-10 12:26:35 PM
I am now very interesting in trying some of these central African beers.
 
2013-09-10 12:26:52 PM
Is there really a market for craft malt liquor?
 
2013-09-10 12:32:04 PM
Maybe minorities feel excluded by American craft brewers' rampant obsession with creating the next Triple Mega Ultra Super Dooper Magnum Hopmageddon Hopsplosion "Crazy Hops" Hoppitude Pale Ale.
 
2013-09-10 12:35:40 PM
Dude, that's so unfair, they all have a black friend you know.

/My liver
//*rimshot*
 
2013-09-10 12:36:11 PM
You know...I had no idea and didn't give a flying fark what the color of the skin on the person that brewed a beer I drank was. If it was a good beer, I'd buy it based on that.

Then I read this article.

Still don't give a flying fark. Let just have another round.
 
2013-09-10 12:36:30 PM

Shostie: Is there really a market for craft malt liquor?


Uh...

beeradvocate.com


/yes I know you were joking
 
2013-09-10 12:37:52 PM
brewkettletimes.com
 
2013-09-10 12:38:09 PM
Why does it matter?

Seriously, why is this a question worth asking?
 
2013-09-10 12:38:46 PM
Because only geeks homebrew, and everyone knows there are no uncool black people except for Urkel.
 
2013-09-10 12:39:10 PM
As a brewer and consumer of both stout and porter, I resent the implication I haven't used both to get brown girls hammered.

Because I most certainly have.
 
2013-09-10 12:40:54 PM
And here's why I don't listen to NPR anymore when I drive to work.

They try and shoehorn race into everything.
 
2013-09-10 12:41:56 PM
Because craft brewers hate black people?

/my next homebrew batch is going to be an attempt at a Black and Tan that I will label "race card"
 
2013-09-10 12:41:59 PM
Could it be, I don't know, because initial investments in craft brewing require a significant monetary investment, and that statistically people who are African-American comes from area which are more economically disadvantaged?

I will bet you that white people in trailer parks are also less likely to be involved in craft brewing.  Just a feeling.
 
2013-09-10 12:42:19 PM
Some people take pride in their work where other people are proud of taking other peoples work!
 
2013-09-10 12:42:39 PM
Thansk Obama!
 
2013-09-10 12:43:08 PM
Once you go black, you'll ...umm.....go get another one.

tightscene.com
 
2013-09-10 12:43:23 PM
Ah, the Brooklyn Brewery ... Now that's a good time!

/ Brooklyn's beers are very hit or miss, IMHO
// make sure to bring a deck of cards or some other sort of game for added fun
/// only open on Friday nights
 
2013-09-10 12:43:38 PM

Rurouni: And here's why I don't listen to NPR anymore when I drive to work.

They try and shoehorn race into everything.


how is it not a legitimate question?
 
2013-09-10 12:44:25 PM
By the way, the focus on race in this country rather than focusing on the social class issues helps keep those in the highest social classes in power.  If we focused less on race based affirmative action and more on economic based affirmative action, it would more productive for everyone involved.

/yes, a little off topic
 
2013-09-10 12:46:00 PM
The brewers may not be racist, but at least two posters in this thread are. So far.
 
2013-09-10 12:46:13 PM
Why are people of color snubbing craft beer?
 
2013-09-10 12:46:32 PM

Rurouni: And here's why I don't listen to NPR anymore when I drive to work.

They try and shoehorn race into everything.


So you think that it's never okay to ask the question as to why almost all craft brewers are white men? The article didn't say that craft brewers are racist, the headline subby did, trying to make the subject more controversial. The article simply says "Hey, this is a thing we've noticed, huh, I wonder what's up with that?" But I guess that makes them the real racists, right?
 
2013-09-10 12:49:40 PM

doublesecretprobation: Rurouni: And here's why I don't listen to NPR anymore when I drive to work.

They try and shoehorn race into everything.

how is it not a legitimate question?


Not that it's invalid, but to my mind, the question should be about socio-economic strata, not race.  Why are there so few poor people in brewing?  For that matter, why are there so few women in brewing?  I've been a home brewer for years - but brewing supply stores, brewing events, and brewing in general, in my (admittedly limited) experience, is a total sausage fest.
 
2013-09-10 12:50:41 PM
http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/competitions/national-hom e brew-competition/winners/2013-nhc-winners

Why aren't there more diverse customers in homebrew shops?
Why aren't there more women?

We're working on it.
 
2013-09-10 12:51:37 PM
blaawg.aestheticapparatus.com
Sooooooon!
/oh noes, it's called darkness, so it's racist
 
2013-09-10 12:51:48 PM

Pocket Ninja: Maybe minorities feel excluded by American craft brewers' rampant obsession with creating the next Triple Mega Ultra Super Dooper Magnum Hopmageddon Hopsplosion "Crazy Hops" Hoppitude Pale Ale.


You don't like hops.  We get it.
 
2013-09-10 12:52:08 PM

Pocket Ninja: Maybe minorities feel excluded by American craft brewers' rampant obsession with creating the next Triple Mega Ultra Super Dooper Magnum Hopmageddon Hopsplosion "Crazy Hops" Hoppitude Pale Ale.


Came to say the same thing (but with less style than Pocket Ninja).
 
2013-09-10 12:52:52 PM
Why do people say "people of color", as if saying "black people" is somehow offensive?

People are black, brown, white, pink, orange and turquoise. Colour is a descriptor and can be used without implying prejudice. Honkey.
 
2013-09-10 12:54:20 PM

RoyHobbs22: Because craft brewers hate black people?

/my next homebrew batch is going to be an attempt at a Black and Tan that I will label "race card"


you don't brew a black and tan, you brew a stout and an ale, then mix them..
/just sayin'
 
2013-09-10 12:55:35 PM

Slaxl: Why do people say "people of color", as if saying "black people" is somehow offensive?

People are black, brown, white, pink, orange and turquoise. Colour is a descriptor and can be used without implying prejudice. Honkey.


Because it's a catchall term for all non-white people, and it's easier to say "Why are there not many people of color in the industry" than to say "Why are there not more black people, asian people, hispanics, native Americans, pacific islanders, etc..."
 
2013-09-10 12:56:19 PM
Why Aren't There More People Of Color In Craft Brewing?

The same reason there aren't more people of color in youth hockey leagues.
 
2013-09-10 12:56:42 PM

Slaxl: Colour


Go back to Canada, Frenchy.
 
2013-09-10 12:57:29 PM
I am in a homebrew club with 215 brewers. Number of black brewers? 1
This is in a city that is 40% black. Anyone is free to join.
 
2013-09-10 12:58:50 PM
No mention by The Salt of who can get business loans in the USA? Color me shocked. If there was ever a blog that refuses to look at the full scope of the problem, it's The Salt. Homebrew shops host events for womens brew clubs, try to cultivate the T'ej brewers, and therefore sell more stuff to folks- so far, not entirely successful, but some folks are trying to bring more folks into the hobby; and eventually the business. But The Salt loves their big brush.
 
2013-09-10 12:59:41 PM

Shostie: Is there really a market for craft malt liquor?


Came to make a similar comment, leaving satisfied.

/shakes tiny fist
 
2013-09-10 12:59:46 PM

sign_of_Zeta: Could it be, I don't know, because initial investments in craft brewing require a significant monetary investment, and that statistically people who are African-American comes from area which are more economically disadvantaged?


Try again. You can buy a starter homebrew kit for less than the cost of a pair of Air Jordans. Most craft brewers started as homebrewers, and like my previous post, our club of 215 only has one black brewer.
 
2013-09-10 12:59:59 PM
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2013-09-10 01:00:27 PM

Rincewind53: Rurouni: And here's why I don't listen to NPR anymore when I drive to work.

They try and shoehorn race into everything.

So you think that it's never okay to ask the question as to why almost all craft brewers are white men? The article didn't say that craft brewers are racist, the headline subby did, trying to make the subject more controversial. The article simply says "Hey, this is a thing we've noticed, huh, I wonder what's up with that?" But I guess that makes them the real racists, right?


Why notice that at all?  Why is this something to concern ones self with?

/Besides "just asking questions"
 
2013-09-10 01:01:37 PM
needs more hops.
 
2013-09-10 01:03:58 PM

James!: The brewers may not be racist, but at least two posters in this thread are. So far.


OK, I think I know one of them*, but would you tell us who you think is actually racist here?


*Benevolent Misanthrope's comment might be interpreted that way, but I took it as pure snark.
 
2013-09-10 01:05:31 PM
Oh, for fark's sake.  Black people would get into it if they wanted to.  I've never seen a "white's only" sign at the home brew store, and generally-speaking, the industry is rife with crunchy libs who couldn't give a shiat less about people's ethnic makeup.

Stop making up bullshiat instances of "racism" where it doesn't exist.  It degrades the severity of real racism.
 
2013-09-10 01:05:51 PM

I Mash Grains: sign_of_Zeta: Could it be, I don't know, because initial investments in craft brewing require a significant monetary investment, and that statistically people who are African-American comes from area which are more economically disadvantaged?

Try again. You can buy a starter homebrew kit for less than the cost of a pair of Air Jordans. Most craft brewers started as homebrewers, and like my previous post, our club of 215 only has one black brewer.


They were talking about the those in commercial craft brewing for a large portion of the article.  Plus you are not factoring in how economic disparity effects other aspects of a person's life, such as the ability to have hobbies which do require specialized equipment. (there's a reason why low income areas have higher rates of people playing basketball versus baseball for example).  Or the fact that poorer people more often don't even try drinking craft brews due to cost.  If you are never drinking anything other than Budweiser, why would you try to brew your own beer?
 
2013-09-10 01:06:16 PM

dittybopper: James!: The brewers may not be racist, but at least two posters in this thread are. So far.

OK, I think I know one of them*, but would you tell us who you think is actually racist here?


*Benevolent Misanthrope's comment might be interpreted that way, but I took it as pure snark.


Never mind, just noticed Shostie's post.
 
2013-09-10 01:08:17 PM

LandOfChocolate: Why notice that at all?  Why is this something to concern ones self with?

/Besides "just asking questions"


Because people notice patterns? Are we supposed to ignore patterns when we notice them? "Why does this one particular group do this one particular activity" is a pretty normal kind of question to come up with, especially when the one particular activity is one that would seem to be open to every kind of person to do.

Being "colorblind" shouldn't mean refusing to ever be curious about why an activity tends to be dominated by one race. Do you think it would be wrong to ask why black men play baseball a lot less than they did in the 70s?
 
2013-09-10 01:08:33 PM

James!: Slaxl: Colour

Go back to Canada, Frenchy.


That's racist, dude.
 
2013-09-10 01:08:58 PM

fickenchucker: Oh, for fark's sake.  Black people would get into it if they wanted to.  I've never seen a "white's only" sign at the home brew store, and generally-speaking, the industry is rife with crunchy libs who couldn't give a shiat less about people's ethnic makeup.

Stop making up bullshiat instances of "racism" where it doesn't exist.  It degrades the severity of real racism.


Literally no one but the headline writer claimed there was any racism involved.

RTFA.
 
2013-09-10 01:13:22 PM

Shostie: James!: Slaxl: Colour

Go back to Canada, Frenchy.

That's racist, dude.


Neither Canadian, nor French, is a race.

Well, I guess French *COULD* be a race, to get away from the Germans.
 
2013-09-10 01:14:04 PM

Rincewind53: fickenchucker: Oh, for fark's sake.  Black people would get into it if they wanted to.  I've never seen a "white's only" sign at the home brew store, and generally-speaking, the industry is rife with crunchy libs who couldn't give a shiat less about people's ethnic makeup.

Stop making up bullshiat instances of "racism" where it doesn't exist.  It degrades the severity of real racism.

Literally no one but the headline writer claimed there was any racism involved.

RTFA.


Well, DUH.

I was commenting on the writer and NPR in general.  I didn't call out anyone in the thread because all the comments thought the article was stupid, too.  Personally, I think it would kind of interesting if the Ethiopian customers mentioned in TFA made a bunch of their regional recipes--they sound creative.
 
2013-09-10 01:17:04 PM

dittybopper: James!: The brewers may not be racist, but at least two posters in this thread are. So far.

OK, I think I know one of them*, but would you tell us who you think is actually racist here?


*Benevolent Misanthrope's comment might be interpreted that way, but I took it as pure snark.


It was snark.  I would seem to be gettin' my Poe on today!
 
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