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2013-09-10 10:39:15 AM
I can't place an iPad on my BMW's front passenger seat without setting off the seatbelt sensor. I guess that means I'll have to put all my worldy possessions in the trunk to start the engine on the next one I buy.
 
2013-09-10 10:45:10 AM
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Whenever I go for car ride in front seat - car goes BEEP-BEEP-BEEP-BEEP-BEEP...
Master gets pissed and fills car with rude swears!
 
2013-09-10 11:09:44 AM
With all the restrictions and mandates being built into cars these days it's starting to feel like I, Robot was just an extednded car commercial.
 
2013-09-10 11:10:18 AM
I (barely) remember them pulling that crap in the 70's on my parent's cars. The car would go "ding ding ding" if the seat belt wasn't fastened. Everyone just fastened the belt and left it that way, sitting basically on top of it while they drove.

You can't legislate safety, or intelligence.

My first car had only lap belts and no annoying noises if you didn't use them.

/ 67 Mustang
// Car was two years older than me
/// Yeah, I crashed it *tears*
 
2013-09-10 11:49:58 AM
i have no problem with this. who the hell doesn't wear a seatbelt anymore?
 
2013-09-10 11:58:28 AM
Seatbelt laws are stupid.  Should we all wear seatbelts? Yes. Should it be the government's business in any way? No.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-10 12:01:30 PM

FlashHarry: i have no problem with this. who the hell doesn't wear a seatbelt anymore?


It's not that.  I have literally had to belt in groceries to get my car to start.  If the groceries weren't bulky enough I had to get out, open the hood and push the over-ride button, which would let me start the car once.

I finally got it disconnected.
 
2013-09-10 12:02:06 PM

doyner: With all the restrictions and mandates being built into cars these days it's starting to feel like I, Robot was just an extednded car commercial.


This would actually allow the removal of an earlier requirement for knee bolsters, which give up a lot of leg room especially for taller passengers, to provide a bit of protection for the idiots who refuse to wear their seat belts. (being 6'2", I am whole-heartedly in favor of being able to move my legs again.)

I was going to propose we put an indicator on the back of cars driven by senile, incapacitated, or unskilled drivers, but someone else pointed out that both Texas and Florida do have distinctive license plates.
 
2013-09-10 12:03:23 PM

Honest Bender: Seatbelt laws are stupid.  Should we all wear seatbelts? Yes. Should it be the government's business in any way? No.


seatbelt laws save lives. how is that stupid?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-10 12:03:34 PM

Honest Bender: Seatbelt laws are stupid.  Should we all wear seatbelts? Yes. Should it be the government's business in any way? No.


Yes.  While it might sound desirable to let the stupid people kill themselves off, they don't always die and they are probably also against health insurance so the rest of us get to pick up the tag for the ICU.
 
2013-09-10 12:05:50 PM

vpb: FlashHarry: i have no problem with this. who the hell doesn't wear a seatbelt anymore?

It's not that.  I have literally had to belt in groceries to get my car to start.  If the groceries weren't bulky enough I had to get out, open the hood and push the over-ride button, which would let me start the car once.

I finally got it disconnected.


why not put your groceries in the trunk?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-10 12:06:59 PM

FlashHarry: why not put your groceries in the trunk?


Because the dead hooker gives my gruyère an off taste.
 
2013-09-10 12:14:46 PM

FlashHarry: seatbelt laws save lives. how is that stupid?


Way to miss the point.  I think everyone should wear a seatbelt. I don't think it's the government's business whether I wear one or not.

vpb: Yes.  While it might sound desirable to let the stupid people kill themselves off, they don't always die and they are probably also against health insurance so the rest of us get to pick up the tag for the ICU.


This logic rests on a very slippery slope.  Have you considered that?
 
2013-09-10 12:15:40 PM

vpb: FlashHarry: why not put your groceries in the trunk?

Because the dead hooker gives my gruyère an off taste.


try the premier cru from fribourg. it already smells like a dead hooker.

/tastes amazing though.
 
2013-09-10 12:16:51 PM

Honest Bender: FlashHarry: seatbelt laws save lives. how is that stupid?

Way to miss the point.  I think everyone should wear a seatbelt. I don't think it's the government's business whether I wear one or not.


no, it is you that missed the point. i said that seatbelt LAWS save lives. not just seatbelts themselves.
 
2013-09-10 12:18:12 PM

FlashHarry: no, it is you that missed the point. i said that seatbelt LAWS save lives. not just seatbelts themselves.


So it's the law itself, not the seatbelt, that saves lives?  Please explain.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-10 12:20:49 PM

Honest Bender: This logic rests on a very slippery slope.  Have you considered that?


No, because it doesn't.
 
2013-09-10 12:32:22 PM
Government made me do something. Therefore I'm oppressed by ten thousand Hitlers. Wharrgarble RON PAUL.
 
2013-09-10 12:37:35 PM

vpb: No, because it doesn't.


So you don't consider government mandated behavior to be a slippery slope?
The government can force us all to wear seatbelts because otherwise you might get injured and the cost might fall to the state.
So then what other risky behavior should the government restrict?  Maybe you should be ticketed for putting too much salt on your food. That could lead to health complications and then we might all be picking up the tab for your health care.
Do you enjoy sports?  Nope! Too risky. You might get injured.

So where do you draw the line? In your mind, what decisions am I allowed to make for myself? What risks am I allowed to take?
 
2013-09-10 12:52:23 PM
Yeah, we used to buckle them then stuff them in the seats behind us.
 
2013-09-10 12:54:52 PM

Honest Bender: vpb: No, because it doesn't.

So you don't consider government mandated behavior to be a slippery slope?
The government can force us all to wear seatbelts because otherwise you might get injured and the cost might fall to the state.
So then what other risky behavior should the government restrict?  Maybe you should be ticketed for putting too much salt on your food. That could lead to health complications and then we might all be picking up the tab for your health care.
Do you enjoy sports?  Nope! Too risky. You might get injured.

So where do you draw the line? In your mind, what decisions am I allowed to make for myself? What risks am I allowed to take?


How about we stop using taxpayer funds for stadia before we jump to any conclusions.
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2013-09-10 12:55:10 PM
FFS, really, in my opinion you'd have to be an idiot to not wear your seat belt. On the other hand I don't think the Gov. should have the authority to mandate it.

It's a decision you make that affects you, and you only. Same with motorcycle helmet laws. That decision affects your safety, and only your safety.

Wearing a seat belt in a car, or a helmet on a motorcycle has no effect on the safety of those around you. It only serves to protect you. If you don't want that protection then have at it.
 
2013-09-10 12:56:12 PM
What idiot doesn't wear a seatbelt?
 
2013-09-10 12:57:27 PM
Yah know what, forget the interlock, just get rid of the rules that you have to make the cars safe for the idiots who won't buckle up.

Cars get lighter and roomier, fewer hoops to jump through.

Win win.
 
2013-09-10 12:57:57 PM

Honest Bender: Seatbelt laws are stupid.  Should we all wear seatbelts? Yes. Should it be the government's business in any way? No.


That's what BMW is wanting here.  To not have to worry about crash test results for those who don't wear them.
 
2013-09-10 12:58:52 PM

Walker: Yeah, we used to buckle them then stuff them in the seats behind us.


Bingo.  People that don't want to wear seatbelts don't wear seatbelts.



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2013-09-10 12:59:55 PM
Everyone complaining that the gov shouldn't be mandating seatbelt use does realize that it is state paid workers who will have to scrape people off the interstate?  State workers who will be paid and insured using taxpayer money.  I'd think you would be the same people wanting the government to spend less, no?
 
2013-09-10 01:00:48 PM

Monkey2: I (barely) remember them pulling that crap in the 70's on my parent's cars. The car would go "ding ding ding" if the seat belt wasn't fastened. Everyone just fastened the belt and left it that way, sitting basically on top of it while they drove.



My dad just drives with the dinging.  He can no longer find a mechanic both willing and able to disable the alarm.
 
2013-09-10 01:01:51 PM
I've got a MINI cooper (made by BMW nowadays) and it's developed a fault in its seat belt sensor that causes it to throw the "fasten seat belt" alert if I put so much as a couple of pounds of weight in the front seat. It's merely annoying now, but if they are going to put interlocks in, they farking well need to make sure they work 100%
 
2013-09-10 01:03:30 PM

lewismarktwo: Walker: Yeah, we used to buckle them then stuff them in the seats behind us.

Bingo.  People that don't want to wear seatbelts don't wear seatbelts.

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2013-09-10 01:05:12 PM
My opinion on seatbelt laws is that they're a good idea, but the government shouldn't be mandating you wear one.  The one exception would be kids.  The driver should be responsible for making sure all underaged passengers are properly secured.  But like with drugs, helmets, alcohol, tobacco, and abortion, I may not approve of your decisions, but as long as your decisions aren't potentially harming anyone but yourself, then I support your right to make them.
 
2013-09-10 01:08:35 PM
It rarely affects only you, don't be disingenuous.  At a minimum it affects how long the road is likely to be blocked off, and at worst it affects how likely the other family who did wear theirs has to wait for medical treatment while EMTs have to pretend to care about your likely vegetative ass.
 
2013-09-10 01:08:46 PM
I had a 1974 Volvo that had those, i thought it just some Volvo thing, I never knew that all 1974 cars had those seatbelt ignition locks. Huh.
 
2013-09-10 01:10:16 PM

FlashHarry: Honest Bender: Seatbelt laws are stupid.  Should we all wear seatbelts? Yes. Should it be the government's business in any way? No.

seatbelt laws save lives. how is that stupid?


Seatbelts save lives.  Seatbelt laws make money for the man.
 
2013-09-10 01:11:04 PM

Honest Bender: Seatbelt laws are stupid.  Should we all wear seatbelts? Yes. Should it be the government's business in any way? No.


It is their business when they build and maintain the roads and the police and ambulances and hospitals that respond to accidents.
 
2013-09-10 01:14:01 PM

Monkey2: Wearing a seat belt in a car, or a helmet on a motorcycle has no effect on the safety of those around you. It only serves to protect you.


Not quite true in a car, in a bad wreck unbelted people become projectiles.
 
2013-09-10 01:15:43 PM
My boss rarely uses his seatbelts. He calls me a wuss when I wear mine when I have to go somewhere with him.
I tried not wearing one a couple of times, but it made me more paranoid than I've ever felt before, and the cramp from using the imaginary brake was unbearable.
 
2013-09-10 01:16:19 PM
I absolutely despise electronic nags. I always wear my seatbelt in the car, feel naked without it. I don't need another hoop to jump through when I'm hauling a box of something, starting the car to let the AC kick in before I get in, etc.

At least it's not as bad as those stupid power shoulder straps. I almost lost a finger, frien of mine did need stitches and had several beverages dumped in my lap by those goddamned things. Everyone I knew just started unbuckling the shoulder strap, which wouldn't have happened with ordinary belts.

I'm not a fan of the overpowered airbags we have here, risks injury to me in order to restrain an unbelted occupant. You can't legislate intelligence and the number of mind bogglingly dumb requirements on cars is ridiculous. I can go buy a motorcycle with no crash protection but I can't buy some cool European vehicles that don't have the full bucket list of US safety features.
 
2013-09-10 01:18:32 PM

FlashHarry: Honest Bender: Seatbelt laws are stupid.  Should we all wear seatbelts? Yes. Should it be the government's business in any way? No.

seatbelt laws save lives. how is that stupid?


Seatbelt laws aren't stupid.  It's people who don't/can't/won't READ the seatbelt laws that are stupid.  And no, it's not the gubment's bidness to tell you to wear a seatbelt, but is sure as hell is their bidness to scrape what's left of your non-seatbelt wearing, hanging half out of the windshield, entrail festooned ass off of the road so the rest of us can get to work.
 
2013-09-10 01:18:41 PM
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This could put him at the gym in 28 minutes instead of the usual 26.
 
2013-09-10 01:19:25 PM
The state has an interest in regulating an activity that a) almost everyone does and b) has the potential to cause horrific injury and death. It also has an interest in preventing your dumb ass from soaking up medical resources because you got paralyzed, brain-damaged etc. from an accident you would have walked away from had you worn a seat belt.

Seeing as how you already jump through quite a few hoops related to licensing, insurance, car registration, and permissable activities while using state-funded and maintained roads, viewing the mandatory use of a seat belt as some sort of egregious violation of your rights is exceptionally stupid. If you don't like it, walk.
 
2013-09-10 01:20:18 PM

FlashHarry: Honest Bender: Seatbelt laws are stupid.  Should we all wear seatbelts? Yes. Should it be the government's business in any way? No.

seatbelt laws save lives. how is that stupid?


Because it isn't the job of government to protect stupid people from themselves. Laws requiring everyone to wear a helmet at all times would save lives too but it would be stupid. Put the efforts on saving lives of people who have the sense to look out for their own safety.
 
2013-09-10 01:20:43 PM

vpb: Honest Bender: Seatbelt laws are stupid.  Should we all wear seatbelts? Yes. Should it be the government's business in any way? No.

Yes.  While it might sound desirable to let the stupid people kill themselves off, they don't always die and they are probably also against health insurance so the rest of us get to pick up the tag for the ICU.


So, fine them after they get into the accident.  Not wearing a seat belt and get into a wreck?  Fine them 10 times the current amount, suspend the license, and take preventative seat belt laws off the books.  If they have to go to the hospital because

I would say do the same thing with speeding.  Remove speed limits, and start citing people for reckless operation.  If your speed can be seen as unsafe in regards to the flow of traffic, you get a huge fine (like, $1000) and (possibly) your license taken away. If you cause a death due to your stupidity, then you get treated as a murder or something.
 
2013-09-10 01:21:21 PM
It'll never happen because universal compliance with seat belt laws will have side effects:
1) No more ticket revenue from motorists pulled over for seat belt violations
2) No more "he didn't have his seat belt on" as an excuse to pull someone over for DWB.
 
2013-09-10 01:21:48 PM

Burr: If they have to go to the hospital because


of being an idiot, make the fine ever bigger.
 
2013-09-10 01:22:45 PM

Monkey2: I (barely) remember them pulling that crap in the 70's on my parent's cars. The car would go "ding ding ding" if the seat belt wasn't fastened. Everyone just fastened the belt and left it that way, sitting basically on top of it while they drove.

You can't legislate safety, or intelligence.

My first car had only lap belts and no annoying noises if you didn't use them.

/ 67 Mustang
// Car was two years older than me
/// Yeah, I crashed it *tears*

In 1974 there was a federal rule that stated that if the people in the front seats were not buckled in that the car would not start.  It was done so halfassed (most likely on purpose) that by 1975 the rule was gone and everyone just bypasses the anti-start module.  I had a 1974 Caddy that still had the emergency start button under the hood for when the system did not work.
 
2013-09-10 01:23:21 PM

vernonFL: Honest Bender: Seatbelt laws are stupid.  Should we all wear seatbelts? Yes. Should it be the government's business in any way? No.

It is their business when they build and maintain the roads and the police and ambulances and hospitals that respond to accidents.


When you need significant surgery for the trauma you receive while hoping to be "thrown clear," that impacts the rates of everyone else with your insurance company.  Heaven forbid you're left on life support in a vegetative state, costing millions of dollars in an effort to keep from wrinkling your farking work shirt.

If you won't wear a seatbelt because you're too stubborn, you should also be ineligible for the extra costs associated with that asinine decision. A seatbelt law is what opens the door to that being possible.
 
2013-09-10 01:23:38 PM
I've been told many times I should care about the cost of healthcare because other people won't wear seat belts. I don't. You don't have to wear a helmet either.

People do enough stupid things while driving. I'd like to see mandatory radar brakes that prevent you from hitting the car in front of you. That would protect me from the idiot behind me. I'd like to see "spiral" highway lanes that keep funneling mentally lazy drivers back into the right hand lane. I'd like to see panic brake lights.

But I'm all for letting people hurt themselves though purposeful action or inaction. It's a sign to others if they survive that maybe they shouldn't be trusted.

While not having lived though the era of interlocks, I've owned several interlock-equipped cars. They never worked right to begin with. Many new cars have a warning if you put it into gear and shift into drive. It's incredibly annoying.

Maybe if they had an off switch - like airbags - where someone could turn it off after they started the car if they wanted to ignore it. A positive indication that says you don't want to buckle up, but that still doesn't get rid of not wearing your seat belt being a primary offense in many places.
 
2013-09-10 01:24:11 PM

tillerman35: It'll never happen because universal compliance with seat belt laws will have side effects:
1) No more ticket revenue from motorists pulled over for seat belt violations
2) No more "he didn't have his seat belt on" as an excuse to pull someone over for DWB.


I wonder what will change if self driving cars become the norm.  If the cars start driving themselves and never breaking any laws, then fines will dry up.  Also, think of how many drug busts there are because of getting pulled over for speeding or a headlight out.
 
2013-09-10 01:25:44 PM
I just buckle the passenger seat empty then let my dog in the front. No big deal.
 
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