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2013-09-10 12:20:29 PM  

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2013-09-10 12:45:56 PM  

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2013-09-10 12:52:22 PM  

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2013-09-10 12:52:55 PM  
if this goes through, it's a win for everybody but the Rebels.

Of course, the Republicans would say Obama will look weak by agreeing to a plan by Putin.

But the fact is, this diplomatic solution would not be possible under a republican president. This is a true change in the way things are done in america.
 
2013-09-10 12:56:45 PM  
Is it sad that I think we might still go ahead and blow up Syria anyways?
 
2013-09-10 12:58:15 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: But the fact is, this diplomatic solution would not be possible under a republican president. This is a true change in the way things are done in america.


Yep. Obama wins.
 
2013-09-10 12:58:22 PM  

Weaver95: Is it sad that I think we might still go ahead and blow up Syria anyways?


Yes, but for you.
 
2013-09-10 12:58:24 PM  

Weaver95: Is it sad that I think we might still go ahead and blow up Syria anyways?


That was the gist of Kerry's testimony this morning.  "We need the resolution on force so we can blow them up anyway. Especially if they are slow in complying, or they aren't sincere.  We cannot let this injustice stand."
 
2013-09-10 01:02:45 PM  

I_C_Weener: Weaver95: Is it sad that I think we might still go ahead and blow up Syria anyways?

That was the gist of Kerry's testimony this morning.  "We need the resolution on force so we can blow them up anyway. Especially if they are slow in complying, or they aren't sincere.  We cannot let this injustice stand."


What is there to get Syria to come to the table if Congress hamstrings the administration by voting no?

I'm not saying I agree Syria should be invaded. But he is right that unless Congress has the president's back, it gives Syria carte blanche to walk.
 
2013-09-10 01:07:20 PM  
Give it a few months. We'll find someone else who needs a good bombing.
 
2013-09-10 01:21:19 PM  
I have been saying it, but I think Obama didn't really want to go to war.  If this had been McCain, Syria would've been bombed two years ago using whatever bombs weren't dropped on Iran.  If this had been Rmoney, Syria and Iran would've been turned into glass parking lots.
 
2013-09-10 01:21:44 PM  
I'm experiencing cruise missile blue balls.
 
2013-09-10 01:25:20 PM  
I'm ok with this,
 
2013-09-10 01:25:32 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: if this goes through, it's a win for everybody but the Rebels.


I dunno.  The Longhorns could be upset.  Here's hoping.
 
2013-09-10 01:27:08 PM  
FTA: "Nothing focuses the mind like the prospect of a hanging."

I'm cool we're going this way on the path instead of that way. But, it would not have even been proposed by Russa and accepted by Syria so quickly if we hadn't been carrying our big stick.

/America is very, very good in war.
 
2013-09-10 01:27:33 PM  
There's no money in peace.
 
2013-09-10 01:28:15 PM  
Moose out front shoulda told ya.
 
2013-09-10 01:28:32 PM  
You know whats funny? Its clear Obama isn't a world leader, you know its bad when Putin is in charge...
 
2013-09-10 01:29:02 PM  
So this idea never occurred to anyone in the Obama administration and required a question from a reporter to get the ball rolling ?
 
2013-09-10 01:29:14 PM  

AirForceVet: FTA: "Nothing focuses the mind like the prospect of a hanging."

I'm cool we're going this way on the path instead of that way. But, it would not have even been proposed by Russa and accepted by Syria so quickly if we hadn't been carrying our big stick.

/America is very, very good in war.


Speak softly and carry a big stick.

Meanwhile, Al Qaida and John McCain are likely screaming, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
 
2013-09-10 01:29:27 PM  
Fine then, if that's the way you want it, another 9/11 for the US.
 
2013-09-10 01:29:39 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: if this goes through, it's a win for everybody but the Rebels.

Of course, the Republicans would say Obama will look weak by agreeing to a plan by Putin.

But the fact is, this diplomatic solution would not be possible under a republican president. This is a true change in the way things are done in america.


I don't know how you can say that. Republican presidents are capable of falling into things ass backward too.
 
2013-09-10 01:29:49 PM  
This will certainly win some international favor for Russia. Sucks to be the rebels, though.
 
2013-09-10 01:30:18 PM  
Visualize whirled peas.
 
2013-09-10 01:30:19 PM  

Weaver95: Is it sad that I think we might still go ahead and blow up Syria anyways?


Nope. Again, it depends how this plays out through the UN, etc. I prefer we not get involved in Syria more than supplying arms, aid and relief supplies to the oppressed. But, chemical weapons deployments were definitely over the red line, IMHO.
 
2013-09-10 01:30:48 PM  
More money for health care
 
2013-09-10 01:32:05 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: if this goes through, it's a win for everybody but the Rebels.

Of course, the Republicans would say Obama will look weak by agreeing to a plan by Putin.

But the fact is, this diplomatic solution would not be possible under a republican president. This is a true change in the way things are done in america.



I disagree. Obama was just damn lucky that someone found a way out.

Obama had painted himself into the proverbial corner: He (and others) were quick to accuse AssadCo for the attack, but all evidence showed that he was not responsible - and they had no substantial evidence to implicate Assad.

The dearth of evidence was so obvious that the only international support ObamaCo could muster was a weak-kneed thumbs-up from the French government - and the French people wanted nothing to do with it.

He faced similar problems here in the US: While politicians were quick to CONDEMN such a strike, no one could pin it on Assad. They had no case, and the American people, though less informed about the complete lack of supporting evidence (and the dubious nature of what little evidence exists) are just plain tired of despoiling the nation's wealth on overseas adventures for the benefit of others.

Obama was opposed from every angle - in the  House, Senate, in the public eye, and by damn near every international leader and population on the planet. He needed a miracle, and thanks to the Russians, he got one.

This is not some mastermind diplomatic solution that Obama and Kerry cooked up - it's sheer dumb luck that the Russians picked up on Kerry's rambling blather and concocted a solution that will not only keep us out of that cesspool, it will allow Obama to save face.

Who deserves a Peace Prize?
 
2013-09-10 01:32:10 PM  

gilgigamesh: I_C_Weener: Weaver95: Is it sad that I think we might still go ahead and blow up Syria anyways?

That was the gist of Kerry's testimony this morning.  "We need the resolution on force so we can blow them up anyway. Especially if they are slow in complying, or they aren't sincere.  We cannot let this injustice stand."

What is there to get Syria to come to the table if Congress hamstrings the administration by voting no?
I'm not saying I agree Syria should be invaded. But he is right that unless Congress has the president's back, it gives Syria carte blanche to walk.


Exactly right.  For best results, we're going to need to keep playing Bad Cop awhile longer.
 
2013-09-10 01:32:26 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: This is a true change in the way things are done in america.


Nothing got done.  Assad is still killing away.  But, if it makes you feel happy that Obama got pwnd by Putin, go right ahead with that.

Prediction:

Syria "turns over" it's chemical weapons to an "international organization" (read as Russian, Iran and China).  Another chemical weapons attack "mysteriously" happens, which would be like the fourth or fifth for people counting.  Syria shrugs and says "not us, we turned over our weapons."  Russia chimes in with "Nyet, not Syria, we have their gas."     ...and what are we going to do?  Threaten to attack Russia?  Yeah right.
 
2013-09-10 01:32:30 PM  
I think he is just trying to confuse the crap out of the republicans for fun.
 
2013-09-10 01:32:33 PM  
So its okay if Assad kills his own people mercilessly for trying to overthrow
his regime just as long as he doesn't do it by using chemical weapons? Or
are we okay with that too?

// Dont really care
// If the chemical weapons work can we get some here in Chicago?
 
2013-09-10 01:32:34 PM  
Now Assad has to actually follow through.
 
2013-09-10 01:33:22 PM  
Wait, so the decision has not already been made to attack Syria, and diplomatic pressure may have worked?

Wow, Obama is worse then Bush.

\I know nothing is ever final.
 
2013-09-10 01:33:22 PM  
chickenhawks last seen having a tantrum...

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2013-09-10 01:34:16 PM  
What is cool about this, Russia can't backed down on a UN resolution to have Syria give up it's Chems without consequenses and if done write the resolution will have a stipulation that they comply or elese the option of the UN acting militarily.
 
2013-09-10 01:34:23 PM  

neversubmit: Fine then, if that's the way you want it, another 9/11 for the US.


Yup. Tomorrow. Same as every year, since it's a DATE on the CALENDAR!
 
2013-09-10 01:34:53 PM  

star_topology: There's no money in peace.


I was assured that it sells.
 
2013-09-10 01:35:05 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: if this goes through, it's a win for everybody but the Rebels.

Of course, the Republicans would say Obama will look weak by agreeing to a plan by Putin.

But the fact is, this diplomatic solution would not be possible under a republican president. This is a true change in the way things are done in america.


It's really Kerry's plan, not Putin's.  Kerry made the statement, and Putin just ran with it since Russia has the diplomatic ties with Syria.  I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing was arranged to happen like that so that everyone can save face and we can avoid a war we really didn't want in the first place.
 
2013-09-10 01:35:17 PM  

doyner: Darth_Lukecash: if this goes through, it's a win for everybody but the Rebels.

I dunno.  The Longhorns could be upset.  Here's hoping.


Upset?  The Longhorns gave up 550 yards rushing last week against BYU so I don't see how they could be favored to win this week.
 
2013-09-10 01:35:25 PM  
I don't know if any of you are entertained - like I am - by watching the insanity that unfolds over at FreeRepublic, but they have shifted from warning of Russia's impending take-over of America  Red Dawn style about 2 years ago to now backing Putin more than Obama. Go ahead, look, I'll wait here. There are countless threads dedicated to how they trust, like and would follow Putin right now over Obama. That's the level of retardation that people are at right now, this whole thing has been very confusing for everyone and now the intellectual children don't even know where to look.
 
2013-09-10 01:36:59 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: if this goes through, it's a win for everybody but the Rebels.

Of course, the Republicans would say Obama will look weak by agreeing to a plan by Putin.

But the fact is, this diplomatic solution would not be possible under a republican president. This is a true change in the way things are done in america.


No, Obama shouldn't have mentioned a red line to begin with.

/It's his mission accomplished moment.
 
2013-09-10 01:37:23 PM  

Smoking GNU: neversubmit: Fine then, if that's the way you want it, another 9/11 for the US.

Yup. Tomorrow. Same as every year, since it's a DATE on the CALENDAR!


I love betting people that in the UK, they don't have a 4th of July.
 
2013-09-10 01:37:35 PM  
"ZOMG 0BUMMER START WORLD WAR III" instantly changes to "ZOMG 0BUMMER CUT AND RUN"

The local paper just ran a bunch of letters to the editor slamming Obama for being a warlord.  I bet I can find the same names in a week or two denouncing him as a coward.
 
2013-09-10 01:37:36 PM  
well tonight's speech should be interesting.
 
2013-09-10 01:38:07 PM  

Misconduc: You know whats funny? Its clear Obama isn't a world leader, you know its bad when Putin is in charge...


Pretty much this.

/I'm thankful Putin is around right now to restore some sanity to the situation.
 
2013-09-10 01:38:22 PM  
Wow... that was... confusing. Well goes to show, history is far stranger than any story an author could make up.
 
2013-09-10 01:38:47 PM  
I feel really bad for Obama's speech writers right now.
 
2013-09-10 01:39:17 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: There are countless threads dedicated to how they trust, like and would follow Putin right now over Obama.


Not much of a surprise there. Putin's not near like Obama is; he's sticking it to teh gays; and they like that he goes around shirtless half the time.
 
2013-09-10 01:39:43 PM  

tfresh: So its okay if Assad kills his own people mercilessly for trying to overthrow
his regime just as long as he doesn't do it by using chemical weapons? Or
are we okay with that too?

// Dont really care
// If the chemical weapons work can we get some here in Chicago?


The international record on countries killing their own citizens is full of "Meh, as long as it's not a genocide, we're ok with it".  Once it crosses some ill defined (relatively speaking) boundary into genocide or the fighting spills out into another country, then the UN starts to pay attention.
 
2013-09-10 01:39:49 PM  
Another win for Obama!
Republicans lose again.  As usual.
 
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